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    I think this reddit thread is a good one discussing things about various aspects of what we know at the moment clinically. The discussion is more valuable than the article. I would not trust the article....

    Started with this article translated form google

    Quote Coronavirus: "We saw immunity in all patients"

    Clemens Wendtner treats the first corona patients in Germany in Munich. The chief doctor draws a preliminary balance - and cautiously gives hope.

    "We saw immunity in all patients"
    When you are on the way to Clemens Wendtner, questions come to mind such as: Should you shake his hand? Or prefer to greet from a distance? Wendtner is chief physician for infectious diseases and tropical medicine at the Munich Schwabing Clinic and head of the local unit for highly contagious life-threatening infections. The first patients in Germany who were infected with the new coronavirus were admitted and treated there. Maybe a bit of distance can't hurt? But then Wendtner comes and extends his hand. That’s cleared up.

     How contagious is the corona virus?
    A few minutes ago, Wendtner was still wearing a respirator, protective gowns and gloves, a plexiglass visor in front of his eyes, and was examining patients in the infection ward a few doors down. Another patient is allowed to go home today because he no longer excretes viruses. That is cause for joy. But the fact that Wendtner finds time to speak to journalists also shows that the situation has eased somewhat. Time to take stock of what he learned after three weeks with the new virus.

    First: "Keep calm." It was not easy in the first few days when droves of people came to the emergency room because they thought they had infected themselves with the pathogen somewhere. There were also reporters who roamed the corridors in search of the isolated patients. The security service had to cordon off areas of the clinic.

     Coronavirus: WHO worries about fast virus transmission - also in Germany
    Scientifically speaking, the past few weeks have been very instructive. Wendtner and colleagues were able to show that patients are infectious, even if they only experience mild symptoms. "In addition, we were able to observe that the new coronavirus is not at home in the deep respiratory tract like the related Sars pathogen, but instead can move upstairs in the throat and later change floors," says the doctor. There are also new findings from the Munich hospital on the course of the disease. "About ten days after the onset of symptoms, we saw immunity in all patients," says Wendtner. This time is enough for the body to recognize the intruders, to form antibodies against them and thus to render them harmless.

    If the data that Wendtner and his colleagues have collected is not misleading, patients are no longer contagious if fewer than 100,000 virus particles per milliliter can be found in samples from the nose or throat. "From a scientific point of view, patients could be discharged at this stage," says Wendtner. So far, in Germany it has only been allowed to go if you no longer excrete viruses. "After our tests, we are very certain that the patients are no longer infectious at this stage. And of course it made a huge difference for them whether they were discharged after ten days instead of two or three weeks."

    Source: https://pressfrom.info/de/lifestyle/...ine-immunitat- Viewed.html
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    JS just reported a new potential nugget of info that may help in the fight against this plague.

    STOP EATING PORK

    I have insider info that sounds too crazy to post but there is no choice, it must be said. I'll try to keep it brief:
    There is a binary poison that is aerially spread that is a long duration neurotoxin that has pork as one half of the binary. It is extremely potent. If you get even a small whiff and then eat pork, the symptoms are the same as COVID-19. This poison is a super histamine trigger that causes your lungs to fill with phleghm. High doses cause greater symptoms, up to seizures. Once you get nailed by it, (if you survive) it stays in your system strongly for two years and fades out over a decade and if you stop eating pork, it will go inactive. This could be what "coronavirus" in China really is and would explain why people "recover" and then get slammed again.
    AT PRESENT, THIS HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED IN THE UNITED STATES BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO KNOW ABOUT.
    How hard is it to avoid pork? Not hard at all.
    This post was too brief, there's a LOT more detail on this topic but I am worried it will sound "too crazy" to post. I'll say this: What better thing could there possibly be for those who eat Kosher? BONUS: It won't work on Muslims either because they don't eat pork. They're supposed to be the ones taking over, RIGHT? Just listen to the visceral dietribe coming from the "tribe" right now, they want traditional white Western types dead and replaced with third world Muslims. What better way to do it than a binary poison that won't nail Jews or Muslims?

    Think about that.

    Your lungs will phleghm out and you won't have a fever at all. In some cases you could even be "asymptomatic" and drop dead but usually there's a long period of obvious symptoms.

    This has replaced the previous post, I found a better way to say it. I am worried this sounds too crazy, but the poison is DEFINITELY real, and it is VERY potent, a few 2 liter bottles dispersed in a city would do the trick.

    I know Chinese intelligence reads this site. And I hope they run tests of this and then take appropriate action. Here are the details:
    In mild/moderate poisonings, discontinuation of all pork in the diet will cause symptoms to fade within two weeks. If someone is poisoned with this then eats pork, they go right back to full symptoms. Testing this is how a poisoning can be confirmed.
    If this ends up testing out in China, remember what the Bible says about who takes Israel out!

    I have not received any notice that this poison was released en masse in China, but it is definitely something to know about and China had damn well better be running tests on people to see what happens, STAT.

    My own comment :
    In Singapore there's a patient in went into the Critical / Intensive Care Unit who is of Bangladeshi descent - bangladeshis are primarily Muslim, so they don't eat pork either. The 2 claimed deaths in Iran should debunk this theory as well. So let's let it play out a little more, but since I already don't eat pork, I'm more than happy to follow this route of advice.
    If what we are calling a virus is actually a neurotoxin it has no ability to replicate. That means there have to be thousands and thousands of distribution sites where the neurotoxin is released. How does that work where only one person is infected? As far as reacting with pork, well in my book that just doesn't make any sense at all.

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    An interesting factoid, which may or may not mean anything whatsoever.

    The 2019 Military World Games were held in Wuhan from 18–27 October, 2019.

    9,308 military athletes competed from 110 countries. China headed the medals table, way ahead of Russia, Brazil and France. (But the Chinese orienteering teams, both men and women, were disqualified because they cheated, having been given pre-knowledge of the course.)

    The first coronavirus case was contracted in late November, less than a month after the games concluded.

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    This segment (from last night, February 21, 2020) came across to me an informative update "from an official US government source."

    Note that Tom Cotton was the very first to express serious concern about the virus - COVID-19.

    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Slightly off topic but has anyone made any conection to the Chinese rocket launch with undisclosed payload and the global 11 text sent out by Samsung 24 or so hours later ?
    Also saw you can track your fellow citizens in china by app now so you can monitor carrier people in proximity.

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    UN Troops Featured in World Military Games in Wuhan China Weeks Before Coronavirus Outbreak:


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    In this report we take a closer look inside the World Military Games opening ceremony held in Wuhan China weeks before the Coronavirus outbreak. Is it just a coincidence that a UN themed pandemic simulation of a global coronavirus outbreak took place the same day, as the UN themed opening ceremonies in Wuhan, ground zero for the outbreak? We also examine which nation will fill the vacuum now that the worlds biggest economy has been crippled by the outbreak.
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    Mike Adams the Health Ranger has a sight up and quite up to date and comprehensive . https://pandemic.news
    I have always respected his work and involvement in uncovering things as well as practical alternatives to standard medicine.

    On personal note, what alarms me is that no one believes anything anymore. I can't get the attention of friends by sharing any of this. They are jaded, burnt out and tired of spin , and agendas . what do we do? the british are coming the british are coming !! , but they remain on the couch, corona beer in hand, pun intended.

    so we are now primed and ready. something true real and alarming may be hear, but the boy who cried wolf, cried it too many times.

    this is a dangerous climate to be in. divided and unwilling to truly listen to each other
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    Mike Adams?

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    lol thanks made correction. i had mike rogers hockey player on my mind. thanks Eligos

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I used the WHO figures to make a projection. It suggested that the pandemic will stop at around March 1, with a mortality rate of 5% for Wuhan and 1% for the rest of the world.

    Things are gradually returning to normal in China. In some parts shops have already opened for days. Different cities have different measures, but in many cities businesses are allowed to resume in the first week of March. The overall picture is good.

    Therefore this is not the Anglo Saxon Mission as described, but more of a psyop to impose greater control over the world populations. The scenario described in the Rocker Fella Foundation report strongly suggests this. Most videos we see maybe productions of some kind. I am not surprised if this is the case, because I have seen how the reality of the HK riots can be twisted by video editing.
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    «Thats my own personal fourth turning moment» (24:11)

    Coronavirus Cases Doubling Overnight In Many Countries:

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    Twitter Announces New Social Credit Score As Coronavirus Spreads Out-Of-Control Globally - FULL SHOW 2/21/2020:

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Twitter Announces New Social Credit Score As Coronavirus Spreads Out-Of-Control Globally - FULL SHOW 2/21/2020:

    Spiro Skouras relates in the above video strangely coincidental events before the outbreak of the viral infection. His gut level intuition is that the government responses to the outbreak are the major concern. He wonders if it is a bioweapon... is there already a vaccine reverse engineered? The events leading up to the outbreak in Wuhan could lend "cover" to release of a bioweapon? Who is the "one" who benefits? It actually looks like the US has much to gain? China is also rolling out their own digital currency. There are so many players and synchronicities leading up to this event. So many threads are wrapping into a skein of global controllers as beneficiaries. Alex Jones says "It's scripted" but we don't know by whom yet.

    Here is another interview with Francis Boyle.



    Mike Adams states here what I know has been "discussed" since the end of the 80's. Maybe if we survive the economic collapse, priorities will change. This is so depressing though as it feels like the train bearing down on the parked car with the seat belt stuck and "we know what is coming".


    Humanity built a PERFECT society for ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
    Humanity has constructed the "perfect storm" societal structure to be taken down by a global pandemic.

    And now it has begun.
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    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    JS just reported a new potential nugget of info that may help in the fight against this plague.

    STOP EATING PORK

    I have insider info that sounds too crazy to post but there is no choice, it must be said. I'll try to keep it brief:
    There is a binary poison that is aerially spread that is a long duration neurotoxin that has pork as one half of the binary. It is extremely potent. If you get even a small whiff and then eat pork, the symptoms are the same as COVID-19. This poison is a super histamine trigger that causes your lungs to fill with phleghm. High doses cause greater symptoms, up to seizures. Once you get nailed by it, (if you survive) it stays in your system strongly for two years and fades out over a decade and if you stop eating pork, it will go inactive. This could be what "coronavirus" in China really is and would explain why people "recover" and then get slammed again.
    AT PRESENT, THIS HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED IN THE UNITED STATES BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO KNOW ABOUT.
    How hard is it to avoid pork? Not hard at all.
    This post was too brief, there's a LOT more detail on this topic but I am worried it will sound "too crazy" to post. I'll say this: What better thing could there possibly be for those who eat Kosher? BONUS: It won't work on Muslims either because they don't eat pork. They're supposed to be the ones taking over, RIGHT? Just listen to the visceral dietribe coming from the "tribe" right now, they want traditional white Western types dead and replaced with third world Muslims. What better way to do it than a binary poison that won't nail Jews or Muslims?

    Think about that.

    Your lungs will phleghm out and you won't have a fever at all. In some cases you could even be "asymptomatic" and drop dead but usually there's a long period of obvious symptoms.

    This has replaced the previous post, I found a better way to say it. I am worried this sounds too crazy, but the poison is DEFINITELY real, and it is VERY potent, a few 2 liter bottles dispersed in a city would do the trick.

    I know Chinese intelligence reads this site. And I hope they run tests of this and then take appropriate action. Here are the details:
    In mild/moderate poisonings, discontinuation of all pork in the diet will cause symptoms to fade within two weeks. If someone is poisoned with this then eats pork, they go right back to full symptoms. Testing this is how a poisoning can be confirmed.
    If this ends up testing out in China, remember what the Bible says about who takes Israel out!

    I have not received any notice that this poison was released en masse in China, but it is definitely something to know about and China had damn well better be running tests on people to see what happens, STAT.

    My own comment :
    In Singapore there's a patient in went into the Critical / Intensive Care Unit who is of Bangladeshi descent - bangladeshis are primarily Muslim, so they don't eat pork either. The 2 claimed deaths in Iran should debunk this theory as well. So let's let it play out a little more, but since I already don't eat pork, I'm more than happy to follow this route of advice.

    The very reason for restricting consumption of certain animals in many old cultures were hygienic as well as ethical. Swine genes are known to carry adaptogenic similarity with human DNA sequences, right after rats
    Pigs have been cultivated by humans for very long time and tweaked to be more “human like” like many other domesticated animals.
    At the time of Muhammad they were part of the plaque epidemics chain.

    Yes by excessive meat consumption and inadequate physical output excess of amino acids turns neurotoxic to human brain. While trained muscles could potentially benefit by burning the predatory amount of protein intake, shots of hormones and enzymes and so forth, your brain is soft : being flooded with toxins it keeps getting sick.

    Moreso, the problem with zoonotic viruses and parasites has been known to most cultures since they ever existed. It’s how eating many kinds of creatures was declared “tabu” depending on the bio-profile of local environs.

    Viruses have been here for billions of years. They are not new or created by us. Like every primitive life they “follow the food”. By taking down the weak they loose nothing. The planet can’t be exactly “sterilized”. They can’t be “conquered” by us.

    The only way our ancestors found was not “vaccines” but protect and isolate ourselves from animals.

    It’s clear this is 21st century and we look at things through eyes of newborns.


    The part of human consciousness that keeps “sinning” against its own nature and crossing to the animal realm is ancient though. It’s the same downfall of consciousness responsible for much of the worlds violence and predatory behaviours.
    It’s the power of the mass : against the dying great matter of our brains( think all the Alzheimers).

    There’s no smarts in breeding clean selves only to eat them.


    It’s not an empty philosophy, it’s seeing the current civilization picture as it is, for what it is. It’s been the same since Old Rome
    It’s literally basking in indulgence and drowning in its own luxury, yet it tolerates slave labour, social injustice and “soft racism”, not to speak of elitism of the top “players” turning it all to “hunger games”.

    It’s our minds who need to do the good work now without being destroyed by the anger of the animal world

    We are not meant to be lizards eating insects.


    Oh humanity so lost on its paths, can’t you get better😢


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    If what we are calling a virus is actually a neurotoxin it has no ability to replicate. That means there have to be thousands and thousands of distribution sites where the neurotoxin is released. How does that work where only one person is infected? As far as reacting with pork, well in my book that just doesn't make any sense at all.
    Prions? They seem to, by the literature, replicate as well. The neurotoxin apparently only happens in interaction with the pork proteins...

    The worst part of the new cycle is a 78yr old Italian has died of contracting this virus and complicating his preexisting health issues further.

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    IF the global agenda is to control, I think it is POSSIBLE that the reverberations from this epicsode (spelling deliberate) may derail that agenda? People may be rudely awakened by the shake down? People with nothing to lose may just stop cooperating? Especially revolting may be the "fake no news" which has been given people for weeks and the "buying and selling" of paper. If this is not a particularly deadly virus (for many?), the economic consequences in a domino very BAD DAY/WEEK?MONTH?YEAR?YEARS (?) seem inevitable? Maybe this is part of an evolution? This is the year we sere told the doors of perception would be cleansed in many ways (2020)

    Quote Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”
    Posted onFebruary 23, 2020AuthorIan M Mackay, PhD (EIC)2 Comments

    by Jody Lanard and Peter M. Sandman


    NOTE FROM IAN: The expert risk communication team of Lanard and Sandman has given me permission to post their very well-considered reply to my question of them just on 24 hours ago, here. I’m not an expert in this space so I sought their very experienced thoughts about changing my tone around the COVID-19 multi-country epidemic before I started doing so yesterday. Here is what they had to say…

    We are starting to hear from experts and officials who now believe a COVID-19 pandemic is more and more likely. They want to use the “P word,” and also start talking more about what communities and individuals can and should do to prepare. On February 22, Australian virologist Ian Mackay asked us for our thoughts on this phase of COVID-19 risk communication.

    Here is our response.

    Yes, it is past time to say “pandemic” – and to stop saying “stop”
    It’s a good time to think about how to use the “P word” (pandemic) in talking about COVID-19. Or rather, it is past time.

    It is important to help people understand that while you think – if you do think so – that this is going to be pandemic in terms of becoming very widespread, no one knows yet how much severe disease there will be around the world over short periods of time. “Will it be a mild, or moderate, or severe pandemic? Too soon to say, but at the moment, there are some tentative signs that….”

    The most crucial (and overdue) risk communication task for the next few days is to help people visualize their communities when “keeping it out” – containment – is no longer relevant. The P word is a good way to launch this message.

    But the P word alone won’t help the public understand what’s about to change: the end of most quarantines, travel restrictions, contact tracing, and other measures designed to keep “them” from infecting “us,” and the switch to measures like canceling mass events designed to keep us from infecting each other.

    We are near-certain that the desperate-sounding last-ditch containment messaging of recent days is contributing to a massive global misperception about the near-term future. The theme of WHO’s and many governments’ messages – that the “window of opportunity” to stop spread of the virus is closing – is like the famous cover page of Nevil Shute’s On the Beach: “There is still time … Brother.”

    For weeks we have been trying to get officials to talk early about the main goal of containment: to slow the spread of the virus, not to stop it. And to explain that containment efforts would eventually end. And to help people learn about “after containment.” This risk communication has not happened yet in most places.

    So here is one more pitch for openness about containment. Officials: Please read Containment as Signal, Swine Flu Risk Miscommunication, which we wrote in 2009.

    One horrible effect of this continued “stop the pandemic” daydream masquerading as a policy goal: It is driving counter-productive and outrage-inducing measures by many countries against travelers from other countries, even their own citizens back from other countries. But possibly more horrible: The messaging is driving resources toward “stopping,” and away from the main potential benefit of containment – slowing the spread of the pandemic and thereby buying a little more time to prepare for what’s coming.

    We hope that governments and healthcare institutions are using this time wisely. We know that ordinary citizens are not being asked to do so. In most countries – including our United States and your Australia – ordinary citizens have not been asked to prepare. Instead, they have been led to expect that their governments will keep the virus from their doors.

    Take the risk of scaring people
    Whenever we introduce the word “pandemic,” it’s important to validate that it’s a scary word – both to experts and to non-experts – because it justifiably contains the implication of something potentially really bad, and definitely really disruptive, for an unknown period of time. This implication is true and unavoidable, even if the overall pattern of disease ends up being mild, like the 2009-10 “swine flu” pandemic.

    Validate also that some people may accuse you of fear-mongering. And respond that hiding your strong professional opinion about this pandemic-to-be would be immoral, or not in keeping with your commitment to transparency, or unforgivably unprofessional, or derelict in your duty to warn, or whatever feels truest in your heart.

    It may help to consider the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” fallacy. Feel free to say that “Jody Lanard and Peter Sandman say” that officials or experts – in this case YOU – are “darned if you do anddamned if you don’t.” You’re only darned if you warn about something that turns out minor. But you’re damned, and rightly so, if you fail to warn about something that turns out serious.

    It’s simply not true, in principle or in practice, that you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t! Over-alarming risk messages are far more forgivable than over-reassuring ones.

    Push people to prepare, and guide their prep
    This is the most culpable neglected messaging in many countries at this point.

    The main readiness stuff we routinely see from official and expert sources is either “DON’T get ready!” (masks), or “Do what we’ve always told you to do!” (hand hygiene and non-mask respiratory etiquette).

    The general public, and many categories of civil society, are not actively being recruited to do anything different in the face of COVID-19 approaching.

    A fair number of health care workers and communication officers tell us their hospitals and healthcare systems are just barely communicating about COVID-19. They want to be involved in how to prepare for “business not as usual.” We’re guessing that many hospital managements are in fact preparing for COVID-19, but we worry that they’re doing it too quietly, without enough effort to prepare their staff.

    Lots of businesses, especially smaller ones, are doing off-the-cuff pre-pandemic planning. Several trade journals have articles about how specific industries should prepare for a likely pandemic. Around February 10, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention posted interim guidance for businesses. But we have seen almost nothing in mainstream media citing this guidance, or recommending business continuity strategies like urgent cross-training so that core functions won’t be derailed because certain key employees are out sick, for instance.

    Pandemic planning research suggests that employees are likeliest to say they will show up for work during a pandemic if three specs are met – if they think their family is reasonably safe; if they think their employer is being candid with them about the situation; and if they have a pandemic-specific job assignment in addition to or different from their routine “peacetime” assignment.

    Hardly any officials are telling civil society and the general public how to get ready for this pandemic.

    Even officials who say very alarming things about the prospects of a pandemic mostly focus on how their agencies are preparing, not on how the people they misperceive as “audience” should prepare. “Audience” is the wrong frame. We are all stakeholders, and we don’t just want to hear what officials are doing. We want to hear what we can do too.

    We want – and need – to hear advice like this:

    Try to get a few extra months’ worth of prescription meds, if possible.
    Think through now how we will take care of sick family members while trying not to get infected.
    Cross-train key staff at work so one person’s absence won’t derail our organization’s ability to function.
    Practice touching our faces less. So how about a face-counter app like the step-counters so many of us use?
    Replace handshakes with elbow-bumps (the “Ebola handshake”).
    Start building harm-reduction habits like pushing elevator buttons with a knuckle instead of a fingertip.
    There is so much for people to do, and to practice doing in advance.

    Preparedness is emotional too
    Suggesting things people can do to prepare for a possible hard time to come doesn’t just get them better prepared logistically. It also helps get them better prepared emotionally. It helps get them through the Oh My God (OMG) moment everyone needs to have, and needs to get through, preferably without being accused of hysteria.

    It is better to get through this OMG moment now rather than later.

    Offering people a list of preparedness steps to choose among means that those who are worried and feeling helpless can better bear their worry, and those who are beyond worry and deep into denial can better face their worry.

    Yet another benefit: The more people who are making preparedness efforts, the more connected to each other they feel. Pandemic preparedness should be a communitarian experience. When a colleague offers you an elbow bump instead of a handshake, your mind goes to those lists of preparedness recommendations you’ve been seeing, and you feel part of a community that’s getting ready together.

    This OMG realization that we have termed the “adjustment reaction” (see http://www.psandman.com/col/teachable.htm) is a step that is hard to skip on the way to the new normal. Going through it before a crisis is full-blown is more conducive to resilience, coping, and rational response than going through it mid-crisis. Officials make a mistake when they sugarcoat alarming information, postponing the public’s adjustment reaction in the vain hope that they can avoid it altogether.

    Specific pandemic preparedness messages
    Below are links to specific preparedness messaging we drafted for a possible H5N1 pandemic. The links are all from our 2007 website column What to Say When a Pandemic Looks Imminent: Messaging for WHO Phases Four and Five. Each item is in two parts – a draft message (a summary sentence followed by a few paragraphs of elaboration), then a risk communication discussion of why we think it’s an appropriate pre-pandemic message. Because these were written with H5N1 in mind, the pandemic they contemplate is more severe and less likely than the one we contemplate today. So some changes may be called for – but frankly, in our judgment, not many.

    We may have a window of opportunity now to make some practical preparations. We must make the most of it – even though the effort may be wasted if a severe pandemic doesn’t happen.
    What matters most is how households, neighborhoods, community groups, and businesses prepare.
    Individual and community preparations will focus on three tasks – reducing each person’s chance of getting sick, helping households with basic survival needs during a pandemic, and minimizing and coping with larger societal disruption.
    Social distancing will be important but unpleasant.
    School closings present a particularly difficult social distancing dilemma.
    Hand-washing is far from a panacea. But it’s easy, it’s under your control, and it has no significant downside.
    Like washing your hands, wearing a facemask may help a bit. But it has more downside than washing your hands.
    Getting ready for a pandemic is largely about preparing for possible shortages.
    It’s probably too late to stockpile much now, but do what you can.
    Now is also the time to think about how you will care for loved ones at home.
    To get ourselves through the hard times that may be coming, we will need volunteers. How can you help?
    One of the scariest messaging failures in the developed world is not telling people vividly about what the end of containment will look like, for instance the end of contact-tracing and most quarantines.

    The FAQs on the Singapore Ministry of Health webpage (https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/faqs) can serve as a model that other developed countries can adapt to start talking to their publics about this now, to reduce the shock and anger when governments stop trying to contain all identified cases.

    What’s working for us
    We’d like to share with you some of our recent everyday life experiences in talking about pandemic preparedness with people who perceive us as a bit knowledgeable about what may be on the horizon. Some of this overlaps with the more generic comments above.

    1. We’ve found it useful to tell friends and family to try to get ahead on their medical prescriptions if they can, in case of very predictable supply chain disruptions, and so they won’t have to go out to the pharmacy at a time when there may be long lines of sick people. This helps them in a practical sense, but it also makes them visualize – often for the first time – how a pandemic may impact them in their everyday lives, even if they don’t actually catch COVID-19. It simultaneously gives them a small “Oh my God” moment (an emotional rehearsal about the future) – and something to do about it right away to help them get through the adjustment reaction.

    2. We also recommend that people might want to slowly (so no one will accuse them of panic-buying) start to stock up on enough non-perishable food to last their households through several weeks of social distancing at home during an intense wave of transmission in their community. This too seems to get through emotionally, as well as being useful logistically.

    3. Three other recommendations that we feel have gone over well with our friends and acquaintances:

    a. Suggesting practical organizational things they and their organizations can do to get ready, such as cross-training to mitigate absenteeism.

    b. Suggesting that people make plans for childcare when they are sick, or when their child is sick.

    4. And the example we like the best, because it gives every single person an immediate action that they can take over and over: Right now, today, start practicing not touching your face when you are out and about! You probably won’t be able to do it perfectly, but you can greatly reduce the frequency of potential self-inoculation. You can even institute a buddy system, where friends and colleagues are asked to remind each other when someone scratches her eyelid or rubs his nose. As we noted earlier, someone should develop a face-touching app – instead of a step-counting app to encourage you to walk more, how about an app to encourage you to auto-inoculate less! And track your progress, and compete with your friends, even!

    The last message on our list – to practice and try to form a new habit – has several immediate and longer-term benefits.

    Having something genuinely useful to do can bind anxiety or reduce apathy. You feel less helpless and less passive.

    And you can see yourself improving.

    And you can work on your new habit alone, and also in a pro-social communitarian way. Others can help you do it, and you can help them.

    And it yields real harm reduction! It is arguably the endpoint of what washing your hands is for, and it helps when you can’t wash your hands out in the world.

    Like all good pandemic preparedness recommendations, it helps you rehearse emotionally, as well as logistically.

    The bottom line
    Every single official we know is having multiple “Oh my God” moments, as new COVID-19 developments occur and new findings emerge. OMG – there is a fair amount of transmission by infected people with mild or subclinical cases! OMG – there is a high viral load early on in nasal and pharyngeal samples! OMG – the Diamond Princess, how can that have been allowed to happen! And on and on.

    Officials help each other through those moments. They go home and tell their families and friends, sharing the OMG sensation. And then what do they tell the public? That they understand that “people are concerned” (as if they themselves weren’t alarmed), but “the risk is low and there’s nothing you need to do now.”

    Ian, it sounds like you want to argue on behalf of preparedness. Encouraging all stakeholders to prepare logistically should start now, if not sooner. And you are in a position not just to encourage logistical preparedness, but also to encourage government sources and other experts like yourself to do the same. Perhaps even more important, in our judgment: You can try to encourage emotional preparedness, and try to encourage other official and expert sources to encourage emotional preparedness – guiding people’s OMG adjustment reactions instead of trying to stamp them out.

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    Not exactly on topic for Covid-19 but important IMO....

    Interesting video Delight.

    "The Trump administration is moving to take action against Chinese propaganda in the United States. It is now designating five Chinese state-run outlets as foreign missions of the Chinese Communist Party".

    I am deeply pro-China, as a country and a people but I consider its government an increasingly grave threat to our own freedoms and security. Despite its charade of confidence its becoming an increasingly unhinged regime it seems.

    If I was a Chinese leader two thoughts would be uppermost. First, the drudgery of finding 18m new jobs a year. Second, maintaining what my ancestors used to call the Mandate of Heaven - that is, the peace and prosperity that shows the approval of the gods. Every so often China falls apart in civil wars of spectacular frightfulness. The horror of all Chinese leaders lest it happen on their watch should not be underestimated.
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