The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

[Bill Ryan]

A 4 minute audio from NPR called Troll Watch: Misinformation around the Coronavirus. (15 Feb 2020)

I post it without comment.

• http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...5_Feb_2020.mp3

A transcript is below, from this page:

• https://npr.org/2020/02/15/806365997...he-coronavirus

LEILA FADEL, HOST:
The disease caused by coronavirus has killed more than 1,500 people and has spread beyond China. But the World Health Organization says there's another threat spreading faster - false information. They've called the spread of misinformation about the disease an infodemic. And we wanted to learn more about how coronavirus misinformation is spreading online, so we're going to discuss it in our regular segment Troll Watch.

FADEL: Carl Bergstrom is a professor of biology at the University of Washington. He researches the spread of scientific disinformation on social media and has been looking at coronavirus misinformation. He's with us now from member station KUOW in Seattle.
Welcome to the program.

CARL BERGSTROM: Thanks a lot, Leila. It's great to be here.

FADEL: What are the myths that are out there? Let's start there.

BERGSTROM: Well, there's a wide range of different stories that are out there. They range from misinformation about - simply about the rate at which the disease is spreading, misinformation about how many people it's killing. And then you get some really wild stuff out there like stories that it might have been a bio-weapon - it is not - sort of anything that could capture the imagination, get people scared, get people to spread them further.

FADEL: So what's behind all this disinformation, this misinformation? What's behind it?

BERGSTROM: This is a really fascinating case because there are a whole bunch of different sources of misinformation, and they have a whole bunch of different motives. Disingenuous actors - they want to spread misinformation to make China look as bad as possible and decrease trust of people within China for their own government and decrease trust from people outside of China for the Chinese government. They could potentially lead to various kinds of disruptions of, you know, normal international relations or normal international commerce and so forth.

FADEL: Right.

BERGSTROM: Then you get people that are simply spreading misinformation for profit, using this to sell, you know, snake oil treatments of various kinds. And then finally, there are a lot of well-meaning people that are scared and are not able to get good information and are sharing that because they're trying to take care of their friends and family, which is a very natural human emotion, of course.

FADEL: Why does this misinformation spread so quickly?

BERGSTROM: One of the things that's making the misinformation spread so quickly in this particular case is that there's a information vacuum. There's a ton of uncertainty surrounding what's actually going on with this virus. People are looking for answers that provide certainty. Most experts are unwilling to give answers like that because we simply don't know. I can give you a very broad range of how infectious the disease might be, how many people it might reach, how likely it is to kill you. But I can't give you a sharp number.

What people really want to hear are these sharp numbers, and if someone makes them up and states them in ways that seem authoritative, those are the kinds of pieces of misinformation that are likely to go spreading rapidly across social media.

FADEL: What happens when you get that wrong information?

BERGSTROM: I think there are a whole bunch of things that go wrong when a - when the public gets misinformation about a epidemic like this. One is, of course, people may believe that they should be spending their money on some kind of bizarre health tonic that'll protect them when it actually won't.

Another risk is misinformation can drive bad policy decisions. So if people believe that this is a very, very dangerous disease that's spreading very, very rapidly that might be able to be controlled by strict nation-level quarantines, that can drive hardcore isolationist policies that will not necessarily help control the spread of the disease - could even make it worse.

FADEL: So how do you even start combating this misinformation? We see that it spreads so fast. And frankly, it often looks like it's coming from somewhere that's reliable.

BERGSTROM: The main thing that I would encourage people to do is to try to pay attention to trusted media sources.

FADEL: Have you at any point seen mainstream media, fact-based media amplifying some of these stories that are out there?

BERGSTROM: Of course. Especially in a fast-breaking situation like this, it's inevitable that, you know, fact-based media make these mistakes. We even see cases where top scientific journals in the world publish things that turn out to be false because we simply don't have the best possible information as fast as we want it, and there's a premium on immediacy.

What's good is they very, very rapidly are corrected. Taking information that may be 12 or 24 hours old from fact-based media is often a much safer strategy than trying to find information from the last hour in the swamp of misinformation that social media represents right now.

FADEL: Carl Bergstrom is a professor of biology at the University of Washington. He was with us from member station KUOW in Seattle. Professor, thanks for joining us.

BERGSTROM: Thank you. It was great talking to you, Leila.

[Bill Ryan]

And on the subject of misinformation, here's a good article about Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and the WHO.

• https://epsilontheory.com/the-indust...-doctor-tedros

The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros
16 Feb, 2020

The World Health Organisation will lead a mission to China this weekend to start investigating the COVID-19 outbreak.
Sky News, FEBRUARY 15, 2020

“start investigating” … AYFKM?*

* https://noslang.com/search/ayfkm

There’s this pleasing mythology out there that the World Health Organization is like some international version of the Center for Disease Control, that it’s staffed by scientists and doctors flying all over the world and racing against the clock to battle infectious diseases and – against all odds – find The Cure.



I mean, that’s an actual subplot of Contagion, where an intrepid WHO scientist tracks down the disease origin in Hong Kong, goes to the remote Chinese village where all of the children are sick (the children!), is taken prisoner, and works heroically (if ultimately unsuccessfully) to get vaccines to the children (the children!).

This is a crock.

The World Health Organization is a political organization, bought and paid for by its sponsor countries (China foremost among them), with a single, dominant mandate: maintain the party line.

Literally.

The truth is that WHO has done nothing more than parrot the official Chinese Communist Party line since the day the world learned of COVID-19.

The truth is that only now – TWO MONTHS INTO THE EPIDEMIC – is WHO sending a “team” to “start investigating” the virus.

To be sure, WHO’s Director General, Dr. Tedros, has been to China several times since the disease broke out, glad-handing (again, literally) President Xi and all the other CCP mandarins.



So … I’m not going to get into the way China lobbied and pressured the UN to get Dr. Tedros appointed as WHO Director General, succeeding their hand-picked (again, literally) Director General, Margaret Chan, despite credible accusations that Tedros had covered up cholera outbreaks in his home country of Ethiopia. If you want to get into that, you can read this New York Times article: Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epidemics.

And … I’m not going to get into the way Dr. Tedros appointed freakin’ Robert Mugabe as a Good-Will Ambassador for the World Health Organization, a toady move that was greeted by healthcare professionals (and anyone with a soul) as “a sick joke”. If you want to get into that, you can read this New York Times article: After Making Mugabe a ‘Good-Will Ambassador,’ W.H.O. Chief Is ‘Rethinking’ It.

No, no … I’m just going to highlight what Dr. Tedros said at the WHO Executive Board meeting in Geneva on February 4, a week after meeting with Xi in Beijing and a few days after senior Chinese diplomats started talking about the “racism” inherent in other countries stopping flights to China and denying visas to people with Chinese passports issued in Hubei province.

Tedros said there was no need for measures that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade,” and he specifically said that stopping flights and restricting Chinese travel abroad was “counter-productive” to fighting the global spread of the virus.

This is the Director General of the World Health Organization. On February 4th.

“We call on all countries to implement decisions that are evidence-based and consistent,” said Tedros. Roger that.

There’s just one problem.

The “evidence” here – taken without adjustment or question from the CCP – was a baldfaced lie.

And everyone at WHO knew it.

How do I know that everyone at WHO knew that the official Chinese numbers were a crock on Feb. 4?

Because WHO-sponsored doctors in Hong Kong published independent studies on Jan. 31 showing that the official Chinese numbers were a crock.

https://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30260-9/fulltext

Money quotes:

In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2.68 (95% CrI 2.47–2.86) and that 75,815 individuals (95% CrI 37,304–130,330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020.
If the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV were similar everywhere domestically and over time, we inferred that epidemics are already growing exponentially in multiple major cities of China with a lag time behind the Wuhan outbreak of about 1–2 weeks.

I’ve attached a PDF of the full report here: Lancet nCov2019 Model.

This is what it looks like when the narrative tail of personal and professional corruption (must support my Chinese benefactors!) wags the public policy dog (sure, I’ll recommend that flights and visas should continue, based on evidence I know is false!).

Will this disease spread farther and faster … will more people DIE … because WHO Director General Tedros recommended as best practice on February 4th that flights and visa issuance in and out of China continue without significant disruption?

Yes. I think so.

And yet … and yet … we are told that the REAL DANGER for public health is questioning the official Chinese line and these Stepin Fetchit policy recommendations of Dr. Tedros.

Here’s what Tedros wrote in a South China Morning Post op-ed piece THREE DAYS AGO:

In addition, a wider strategy is needed to debunk pseudoscience and strengthen trust in everything from vaccination to public institutions. Misinformation thrives where trust in the authorities is weak.
In a fast-evolving disease outbreak, there is a fine line between the deliberate spread of misinformation and the well-intentioned but potentially still damaging redistribution of false claims.

And here’s a Reuters article, also from three days ago:

The rise of “fake news” – including misinformation and inaccurate advice on social media – could make disease outbreaks such as the COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic currently spreading in China worse, according to research published on Friday.
In an analysis of how the spread of misinformation affects the spread of disease, scientists at Britain’s East Anglia University (UEA) said any successful efforts to stop people sharing fake news could help save lives.

And what is this “fake news”?

Fake news is now defined as anything that disputes WHO data, which means that fake news is now defined as anything that disputes the official China party line.

Why did China spend so much money to buy off the World Health Organization? This:

The World Health Organization is working with Google to ensure that people get facts from WHO first when they search for information about the new virus that recently emerged in China.
Since the outbreak began, a number of misleading claims and hoaxes about the virus have circulated online. They include false conspiracy theories that the virus was created in a lab and that vaccines have already been manufactured, exaggerations about the number of sick and dead, and claims about bogus cures.
Associated Press, Feb. 3, 2020

It’s not just Google. It’s also Ten Cent. It’s also Facebook. It’s also Twitter.

And no, you’re not misreading the clear narrative intent of these articles.

Where possible, China wants to criminalize any speech … any social media … that does not follow the official party line. Where it’s not possible to criminalize that speech, China wants to ban it through the cooperative censorship of global tech and media platforms. Where it’s not possible to ban that speech, China wants to shame it into the shadows by getting us to reject it as “fake news”.

And if you don’t see that the United States is about two minutes behind China in doing the same damn thing, then you’re just not paying attention.

I am certain that there are plenty of good people at WHO, and I am certain that they do good and important work, particularly in funneling money and resources to actual researchers and actual clinical programs.

But what is happening at the most senior levels of the World Health Organization is not just a disgrace. It is not just a humiliation for the people who are doing good and important work.

It is a betrayal of the entire world.

What’s to be done?

Getting Tedros the man out of the World Health Organization will feel good, and he deserves all the ignominy that’s coming his way, but it will accomplish nothing.

No, to accomplish anything here, we need to get rid of The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros.

See, the actual human being named Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesusis is not The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros. The human Tedros is just another on-the-make politician, one of a zillion Renfields who sell their soul on the daily. Sure, he was tapped by his Chinese patrons to play the role of The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros, but if it hadn’t been him, there were plenty of other guys and gals to take his place.

We must look through Tedros the man to see the Nudging Oligarchy and the Nudging State that created The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros.

We must look through so many of the ideas we take to be immutable truths of safety or goodness – whether those truths concern the food we eat or the stocks we buy or the health we seek to preserve – and recognize that they are not truths at all!

They are conveniences, and not conveniences for us, but for the sellers of the food we eat or the stocks we buy or the health we seek to preserve.

THAT’S what it means to be Industrially Necessary – a constructed social practice in service to those who would subvert our autonomy of mind and will, presented to us as Truth-with-a-capital-T by Missionaries who shake their finger at us and tell us HOW to think about the world.


Once you start looking for The Industrially Necessary Doctor Tedros, you will see him everywhere.

And that’s when your world starts to change.

PS. If you haven’t yet read our original note on how we can tell the Chinese data on COVID-19 is false, here you go:

Body Count



China is fighting nCov2019 exactly like the US fought North Vietnam … with policy driven more by narrative control than by what’s best to win the war. That was a disastrous strategic mistake for the US then, and it’s a disastrous strategic mistake for China today. … Continue reading

PPS. And if you’d like to read our core notes on the Nudging State and the Nudging Oligarchy, together with the Industrially Necessary meme …

The Industrially Necessary Egg



In modern farming and in modern investing, we have become prisoners of the monoculture. It’s efficient. It’s necessary for a mass society of ever-increasing Desire. But here’s the thing. In the investment monoculture, you’re not the farmer. … Continue reading

Clever Hans



You don’t break a wild horse by crushing its spirit. You nudge it into willingly surrendering its autonomy. Because once you’re trained to welcome the saddle, you’re going to take the bit. We are Clever Hans, dutifully hanging on every word or signal from the Nudging State and the Nudging Oligarchy as we stomp out our behavior. … Continue reading

[Iloveyou]

„There seems to have been a policy-driven reorientation from Russophibia (where it has been high time for the US to silently admit defeat and move on) to Sinophobia (where the US is yet to have its ass handed to it on a plate).„

Some inconclusive thoughts from Dmitry Orlov 2020-02-17

A Most Convenient Virus: Genetically-engineered Bioweapon?

https://www.21cir.com/2020/02/a-most...red-bioweapon/

[onawah]

How are viruses discovered and identified in the first place?
Feb 18 2020
by Jon Rappoport
The earthshaking Etienne De Harven interview by Celia Farber

( What is happening now may be unprecedented, but I think we need to understand what has gone before, before we can put it into proper context.)

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...e-first-place/

"The question I’ve been asking since 1987—

If the experts are going to claim a particular virus causes a particular disease—how do they know that virus exists in the first place?

For example, the supposedly new coronavirus in China. For example, Ebola. For example, HIV. For example, the coronavirus supposedly causing SARS (2003). How do researchers know these viruses exist?

“Well, of course they know. They must.”

That is not a satisfactory answer—even though most people would offer it.

The question can become very interesting, when you stop and consider researchers working away in biowar labs fiddling with viruses. How do they know they’re tweaking viruses that actually exist?

On a more mundane frontier, when scientists tell us they’re rushing to develop a vaccine against a virus that is harming the population, how do they know that virus exists to begin with?

I came to this question when I was researching HIV in 1987. I began to think about it seriously in 1990. During all these years, I’ve reached out to independent researchers, and I’ve tried to stitch together their answers. I can’t say it’s been a smooth trip.

But I have found some answers; and I have certainly found some fake mainstream assertions, which glitter like baubles on plastic branches of 99-cent store Xmas trees.

Here are a few clues. You need to take a tissue sample from a live human being. You need to filter that sample correctly so you arrive at a much smaller sample you believe might contain a virus. You need to put a drop of that sample under an electron microscope and observe what looks like a virus.

How much virus? How many identical particles of virus? Opinions differ on this. It could be one definite virus, one particle. It could be many, many identical particles.

Sidebar: If you’re trying to prove this virus is actually causing DISEASE in a person, you have to go further. You have to show the very same virus is active and replicating at a very high rate in the person’s body, and his immune system isn’t defeating it. Beyond noticing the patient is sick, how do you test for all THAT? I’m still looking for a definitive technical answer—if there is one.

All right, let’s’ get back to the electron microscope. Let’s say you’ve observed many identical particles of what looks like a virus in the electron microscope photograph, called an EM. You can then say, “Found it.” But you need to be sure. You need to figure out that this virus isn’t just something that ordinarily lives in the human body like a couch potato and does nothing—a passive endogenous virus. No. You want to show this virus comes from the outside as an invader—an exogenous virus. And how do you perfectly make that differentiation every time? Another question that might have no precise formula as an answer.

Big question: CAN WE BE SURE ALL VIRUSES THAT ARE SAID TO EXIST AND SAID TO CAUSE EPIDEMICS ARE ACTUALLY FOUND AND OBSERVED AND IDENTIFIED ON ELECTRON MICROSCOPE PHOTOGRAPHS? CAN WE AT LEAST SAY THAT?

No.

In which case, the researchers have been, at least some of the time, up the creek without a paddle. They’ve jumped the gun. They’ve bolted out of the starting gate too soon. They’ve laid their money down on a horse that may not even be in the race. They’ve written a check no one can cash. They’re talking about lockdowns and quarantines without having proved their favorite virus of the moment exists. Sure, people on the back end will make big money from these unwarranted presumptions, but money is not science. It might control science, but it ISN’T science.

All right. I’ve now set the stage for an excerpt from an interview, a profound interview with a late mainstream master who, in the face of fake science, suddenly was characterized as a rebel, Etienne De Harven. The interview was conducted several years ago by the brilliant reporter, Celia Farber. You can find the whole interview here. I strongly suggest you read it sixteen times. Yes, it gets technical. You’ll also notice names of elite scientists you haven’t run across. Learn the meaning of the words you’ve never seen before. Dig in. This isn’t television-type brush-off conversation. This isn’t a YouTube throwaway.

I have another reason for exposing readers to this interview—it’s what a conversation about serious scientific issues looks like…this is what trying to bridge the gap between researchers, honest reporters, and the public looks like. There should be hundreds and thousands of such print-interviews taking place, laid before readers. They can handle it. Dumbing down people is partly an illusion: they can wake up. They WILL wake up if they’re sufficiently interested.

Etienne De Harven’s background: president of the Electron Microscopy Society of America; researcher, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center; Cornell professor of cell biology; professor of pathology, University of Toronto; recognized pioneer in the field of electron microscopy.

The interview focuses on HIV; whether it was ever found and isolated. The implications and questions spread out to any and all viruses.

DE HARVEN: Unacceptably frustrated by the total lack of success in all attempts to demonstrate virus particles in human cancer by EM, the “impresarios” of the cancer/virus “dream” (Gallo, Fauci, and others) totally engaged in the molecular approach.

Consequently, they invented molecular markers to compensate for the missing viral particles…This would have been acceptable if the specificity of these new molecular markers would have been clearly established. Unfortunately, this was not the case. The most misleading molecular marker was probably the first one, i.e. the enzyme [called] reverse transcriptase (RT). Following Temin and Baltimore 1970 papers in “Science”, the RT enzymatic activity has been, most abusively, used as a specific retroviral marker. Both Temin and Baltimore demonstrated RT activity in samples of supposedly “purified” retrovirus.

Embarrassingly, they both omitted to verify the “purity” of their samples by EM. Some of their samples were simply purchased from a commercial company… True, the label on the vials read “pure retrovirus”… However, it was known that these commercial “pure retrovirus” were heavily contaminated by cellular debris!

And since it is also known that all cells contain RT (see Varmus), cellular debris are most likely carrying similar RT enzymes.

Temin and Baltimore did not, therefore, prove that RT is a specific molecular marker for retroviruses. It would have been so simple to check, by EM, the degree of “purity” of the samples they used. This would have, most probably, shown important cell debris contamination, and would have obliged Temin and Baltimore to be much more cautious in the interpretation of their results. In 1975, the members of the Nobel Committee, most regrettably, failed to scrutinize this “purity” problem…

In 1983, at Pasteur Institute in Paris, reliance on the RT marker was a key element in the claimed “isolation” of a new retrovirus [HIV]. Still, Montagnier himself recognized “We did not purify”… He dangerously omitted to consider the misleading interference of cell debris, just as Temin and Baltimore did in 1970.

But a paper on the discovery of a new retrovirus looks much better if it contains at least… one EM picture! So, members of Montagnier’s team spent hours at the TEM [transmission electron microscope], looking at their mixed cell cultures, and they found the virus!

See Fig. 2 in their “historic” 1983 “Science” paper! It is, by the way, a good quality EM picture. It shows unquestionable retroviral particles, budding at the surface of a cell. But the legend of this Fig. 2 states that this cell is a cord blood lymphocyte. Indeed, cord blood lymphocytes were admixed to these complex cell cultures (why?)

Montagnier and his co-workers should have known that human embryonic tissues, and the placenta in particular, are very rich in endogenous retroviruses (HERVs), and that cord blood lymphocytes should therefore be expected to carry the same endogenous retroviruses (under the TEM, endogenous and exogenous viruses, looking identical, cannot be distinguished.)

The budding of these particles has perhaps been stimulated by some of the growth factors also present in these cell cultures. An essential control would have been to repeat the experiment using lymphocytes from the peripheral blood instead of from cord blood. This control is unfortunately missing.

In short, I would frankly state that the Pasteur 1983 paper (whose 30th anniversary has just been celebrated in a “grand messe” of official HIV retro-virology!) contributed very little in AIDS research because its conclusion (i.e. “the isolation of a new retrovirus”) is based on 1) the use of a non specific RT molecular marker, and 2) is falsely supported by EM pictures of, most probably, endogenous human retroviruses.

More details and appropriate references on this analysis can be found in my 2010 paper published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons [— “Human Endogenous Retroviruses and AIDS Research: Confusion, Consensus, or Science?”] (jpands.org/vol15no3/deharven.pdf).

CELIA FARBER: When antibody and VL [viral load] tests became widespread as diagnostic tools for “HIV infection” over the ensuing decades, what happened with EM inside of HIV science and literature? It is my understanding that nobody has ever found HIV in human blood, on EM. Is this an accurate way to say it?

DE HARVEN: In my views, Western Blot [antibody] tests lost all credibility after the publication of Eleni Papadopulos’s et al. (1993) paper, and antibody tests (“Elisa”) [lost credibility] after Christine Johnson’s report (1996). The notion of a “Viral load” (VL), however, brought a new parameter in AIDS diagnosis (Ho,1996). It called attention to the actual number of HIV particles supposedly present in the blood plasma of AIDS patients, PCR technologies [tests] being presumed to offer a way to quantify that number.

If such a viremia (i.e. presence of virus particles in the blood) is indeed present in AIDS patients, it reminisces the retroviral viremia well known in leukemic mice. In such case, retroviral particles should be readily demonstrable, by TEM, of appropriately prepared patient plasma samples. Unfortunately, it has never been possible to demonstrate by TEM one single retroviral particle in the blood plasma of any AIDS patient, even if one selects patients presenting with a so-called “high viral load.”

I was apparently the first researcher to make that statement, during the opening session of President T. Mbeki’s major AIDS conference, in Pretoria, SA, in May 2000. My statement to that effect has never been refuted.

CELIA FARBER: How come?

DE HARVEN: That question must be answered because “something” is measured by PCR technologies in the blood of many AIDS patients. Actually, what is being measured is definitely not the number of retroviral particles (phantom-like, i.e. EM invisible!). In fact, what is being PCR identified, amplified, and supposedly quantified is the number of genomic nucleotide sequences that are extremely similar to sequences known to be part of the retroviral genome. Most regrettably, these sequences were misinterpreted as an indication as a certain number of … HIV particles! This did a lot to consolidate the quasi-religious dogma of HIV as the cause of AIDS, a dogma that has been sharply criticized, a few years ago, by David Rasnick who wrote, authoritatively, about “The AIDS Blunder”…

This interpretation would have been acceptable only if retroviral particles would have been readily demonstrated, by EM, in the blood plasma of these patients; but, since this is not the case, another explanation for the presence of these nucleotide sequences has to be founded.

I presented at the RA conference in Oakland, CA, in 2009, and further developed in my 2010 JAPS paper such a much needed explanation for the presence of these retroviral-like nucleotide sequences. My explanation is based on the well known, variable amounts of circulating DNA in the blood of severely ill patients, and on the fact that we all carry [irrelevant] retroviral-like sequences in our DNA, as endogenous, defective retroviruses, i.e. HERVs (HERVs, for “Human endogenous retroviruses”) (See “Virus in all of us”, R. Lower at al., 1996 PNAS paper).

No surprise, therefore, that these nucleotide sequences are recognized by PCR [tests] in the blood of many AIDS patients, who are indeed severely ill. As already demonstrated in 2008 in Robin Weiss laboratory, HERVs can interfere as confounding factors in the search for novel retrovirus in chronic human diseases…

CELIA FARBER: …Paint a picture for us. The story of the [HIV] virus, the “new deadly virus,” what happens first: What steps did they [—] Montagnier, on one hand, Gallo on the other [—] take to “find” the new entity? Then once they ‘found’ it, what shape was it in? It was not an entity, a thing, with a body, right? It was not coherent. Can we say that? So it lived where? It was seen only through the technologies developed to find it, Elisa, WB [both are antibody tests]? Later PCR/VL [tests]? But what happened back THEN when they tried to see it on EM? Why didn’t everybody look for it on EM? Too expensive?

DE HARVEN: No, EM is not cheap but not that expensive! And its cost has certainly nothing to do with the fact that it has barely been used for the past 30 years in AIDS research! It has not been used because “They” knew it was not going to show anything of retroviral significance in samples coming directly from AIDS patients. And since AIDS had become big business, the stocks of involved giant pharmaceutical companies could not be jeopardized! It had to be saved at all cost, even at the cost of trusting non specific molecular markers… Fear is good business, and viruses generate fear most efficiently… So, the HIV flag has to be maximally agitated. In worldwide medias, with thousands of computer-generated, colorful caricatures of an idealistic retrovirus… By contrast, the medias have been dominated by the most rigorous censorship when it comes to inform the public about views of rethinking dissidents. This total censorship put a safety lock on any information that could jeopardize the colossal, entirely HIV derived profits of the major pharmaceutical companies.

But I am glad we have Internet!

Daring to say that HIV does not exist amounts to some sort of a capitalistic crime…

Yes, the HIV dogma is probably the darkest page in the history of modern medicine.

CELIA FARBER: Etienne, if you could sum up: Does HIV exist? If so, where and how and as what?

If you could examine 1,000 HIV positive people’s blood under EM, what would you expect to find? If you don’t find HIV on EM in human blood, can any argument be made that the virus is “hiding” and so forth, or that the drugs suppressed the virus to undetectable levels? This is what the defenders of the orthodoxy seem to be saying about the results seen in the Nushawn Williams case.

DE HARVEN: This is the main question! Questioning the very existence of HIV is not something that should be debated only between specialized retro-virologists. It is an essential question that concerns all of us.

CELIA FARBER: Why?

DE HARVEN: Simply because 100% of AIDS research funding is based on the dogmatically postulated existence of HIV. If HIV does not exist, it would follow that AIDS research is the most appalling case of total misappropriation of public research funds! And it would also follow that the monumental amounts of money, so far exclusively devoted to HIV research, would be much better used in other directions. Could you imagine what world we would live in, today, if the total amount of money wasted over the past 30 years on HIV research had been, instead, used for feeding starving Africans, for clean water supply equipment, for public hygiene infrastructures, and for public health education? This would happen only if HIV research is totally stopped! And for this, the scientific and public health organizations have to face the fact that, indeed, HIV does not exist!

…we all have to, courageously, face the fact that the very existence of an exogenous HIV has never been scientifically verified.

—end of interview excerpt—

Again, you can read the whole interview here: https://www.thetruthbarrier.com/2013...nne-de-harven/

De Harven unmasks HIV research. How many other unproven viruses have likewise been prematurely massaged into existence and prominence? How many times have researchers pulled “special markers” like rabbits out of hats—spuriously claiming these markers establish the existence of otherwise never-observed viruses?

And therefore, when these researchers state they have published the genetic sequences of these viruses—what are they really sequencing? Harmless and passive endogenous viruses that wouldn’t hurt a fly and prefer to lie around in the body for the whole course of a lifetime watching television?

And when someone steps forward, and claims a new and never-before-seen virus is actually a manmade weapon, and he knows this from studying its genetic sequence—is he right, or is he looking at the sequence of an irrelevant microbe that has been rudely coaxed from its long languishing snooze in the warmth of the human body?"

[Philippe]

Posted by onawah (here)
How are viruses discovered and identified in the first place?
Feb 18 2020
by Jon Rappoport

And when someone steps forward, and claims a new and never-before-seen virus is actually a manmade weapon, and he knows this from studying its genetic sequence—is he right, or is he looking at the sequence of an irrelevant microbe that has been rudely coaxed from its long languishing snooze in the warmth of the human body?"

Sorry Rappoport, am not going to reread all your observations and biological science. Would you then please give your explanation of what makes persons fall death in the streets of Wuhan or healthy young doctors die from caring for others ? If you think there is a mental aspect to become deadly ill, go ahead it's interesting and I learned something about it. Meanwhile let the people on earth continue to learn about secret labs that fuel a million dollar industry on a planet gone mad.

[happyuk]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by frankstien (here)
The plot gets thicker--

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"This is beyond eerie. A 1981 thriller by Dean Koontz predicted the #Coronavirus nightmare, pinpointing it to supposedly biological weapons labs in China’s Wuhan"

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This is an absolutely stunning find, frankstien. I'm truly "gobsmacked" by this. Thanks so much for posting this. The odds of this being simply clever writing by Koontz are about a google to one.

It's almost like it's being used as a script for what's happening right now.

Dean Koontz is an interesting guy. I particularly like his introductory Wikipedia entry:

In the 1960s, Koontz worked for the Appalachian Poverty Program, a federally funded initiative designed to help poor children. In a 1996 interview with Reason Magazine, he said that while the program sounded "very noble and wonderful, . . . [i]n reality, it was a dumping ground for violent children.. . and most of the funding ended up 'disappearing somewhere.'" This experience greatly shaped Koontz's political outlook. In his book, The Dean Koontz Companion, he recalled that he:

realized that most of these programs are not meant to help anyone, merely to control people and make them dependent. I was forced to reconsider everything I'd once believed. I developed a profound distrust of government regardless of the philosophy of the people in power. I remained a liberal on civil-rights issues, became a conservative on defense, and a semi-libertarian on all other matters.

The 1970s "Survivors" program, which used to give me nightmares as a kid, is also uncannily prescient:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GH6us7DLaRk

[Delight]

"This is not about "fears" but a legitimate concern"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gojy7ChZ8h8

The cruise ship quarantine was inadequate. The MD making the video was complaining and was suppressed.

comment for video below....

Ken Hayashida

I am a board-certified pediatrician in California. Thank you for sharing your medical information. Physicians and nurses need more clinical information similar to that which you are sharing. I hope that you continue to update and share your medical opinion. The lack of infectious disease experience in charge of COVID-19 response in many nations (including United States, Japan, and other nations) is unfortunately adding more difficulty to the clinical management.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vtHYZkLuKcI

Head MD of a hospital dies

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jCqcqO2NPjM

The situation just gets worse in China

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tA-B_0th2HU

[ExomatrixTV]

The SECRET MEETINGS Of The WHO With Big Tech To Control Coronavirus Info:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YZ1JvwycYTg

[frankstien]

I think we should keep this in mind regarding the coronavirus--

The elite decided after the Baby Boomer generation population increase (which ended in 1955) that over-population was the major threat facing mankind. This is a very sobering topic and when you hear the actual quotes from the book and documents William Cooper reads, it becomes very clear why things are they way they are: poisonous vaccines, terrorism, war, death squads, GMO food, the list goes on.

Even though this is a radio show recorded in 1993, it is as timely as the night it was first broadcast.

Population Control = AIDS (Jan. 25th, 1993)
http://hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/16.mp3

If you cue to 47 mins, Bill mentions what's written on page 17-18 of the book, The Population Bomb. He reads the full quote, but listed below is the last line:

"The problem could have been avoided by population control, in which mankind consciously adjusted the birth have rate so that a "death rate solution" did not have to occur."

These are the download links to the book and documents mentioned in Bill Cooper's report.

The Population Bomb by Dr. Paul R. Ehrlich
http://www.projectavalon.net/The_Pop...ul_Ehrlich.pdf

The Global 2000 Report To The President
https://www.cartercenter.org/resourc...y-01011991.pdf

Club of Rome Report - The Limits of Growth
http://donellameadows.org/wp-content...an-version.pdf

[James Newell]

I posted this on the vaccine thread but I think it should be watched here also. Here is a great interview done by Dr Sherri Tenpenny with Alex Jones. She is one of best fighters re vaccines we have. I see with little question that the release of this Coronavirus is a power grab on a world wide scale for enforced vaccinations. She also talks about her upcoming course in a few weeks. I may sign up for it myself just for the data. It is too easy to see they are going to use this to take peoples rights away.

The more I look the more it does seem they want this pandemic for NWO purposes. Yes it is a highly contagious disease. I have no doubt many will survive this, especially the savvy healthy people. Will we survive their solutions for it? Well that will be another battle. Don't give up your Rights for a vaccine promise.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5e4c4841af22a6002b86daff

[Delight]

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're living in a dangerous world. That's simply a fact.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A few predictions and speculations from myself . . . . .

Bill, I‘m convinced now of what I‘ve been suspecting for quite a while: I’m on a totally different timeline than you, meanwhile, though still close enough to talk to you via the net Just saying . . .

I grok what you are stating here I think. These events are not appearing locally for you? You are feeling quite satisfied with everything and not able to put it into your own personal reality tunnel?

This split between what I am experiencing and what I am seeing is very hard to "take". I looked at reddit, I looked at twitter (#coronavirus). The twitter feed just about made me ill. i saw a woamn fall to her death form a balcony. I saw starving animals.

And this is just one angle of the suffering that is happening with climate change, systemic poisoning, all the unbelievable but experienced horrors that have seemed to become unstoppable.

I have a coworker (C) whose 15 year old son is moderately autistic. He is able to go to school but is pretty nonverbal and has obvious deficits. He SUDDENLY started having syncope and spiking fevers last week (and I BELIEVE it was shortly after a flu vaccine because of an overheard conversation). I overheard the C in an intense conversation with another woman (A) who was saying her friend's child had a bad reaction to vaccines. I walked by in the middle of it but C was saying... "Andrew Wakefield was found to be a fraud. Vaccines did not cause my son's autism. Vaccines are not the problem with his health."

In MY reality tunnel, vaccines cause injury but only when people use them. People I know who don't agree to use them are not harmed. In MY reality, I am able to "mentally" with the help of my chosen placebos (like oregano oil, vitamin D etc.) withstand illness. I may strain my body but my imagination corrects the issues as I actually use directed meditation.

In my reality there is the media bringing these horrors but people around me are not involved. I have spent hours and hours praying that each being is surrounded by health, protection and support.

I am feeling that the worlds are splitting. I read a metaphor that stated ... the boat is slowly leaving the dock. One foot on the boat and another on the pier. One will have to choose. I am not sure this is true but at all times, I choose the Divine. I choose the side of love. If that is enough or not to do anything about what others apparently are suffering?

It is very confusing to see and feel for others but also feel I have no input (at this time).

[James Newell]

This is a Very powerful video of a Chinese women. She is literally risking her life to say this! This virus is probably done to cover up what is really going on in Commie China. A revolution is happening! It should probably be copied and forwarded all over because youtube tends to take things like this down. It don't forward the great socialist agenda.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RvaL4-B5s6Q

[ExomatrixTV]

The US military has set up 15 coronavirus quarantine camps on its bases, and 600 citizens are still isolated there.



Source

[Iloveyou]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're living in a dangerous world. That's simply a fact.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A few predictions and speculations from myself . . . . .

Bill, I‘m convinced now of what I‘ve been suspecting for quite a while: I’m on a totally different timeline than you, meanwhile, though still close enough to talk to you via the net Just saying . . .

I grok what you are stating here I think. These events are not appearing locally for you? You are feeling quite satisfied with everything and not able to put it into your own personal reality tunnel?

This is pure allegation, insinuation, it is not what I stated (or intended to state).

But of course, you are right. Absolutely right.

[ExomatrixTV]

5G and Corona Virus Links Getting Clearer...Not Good, Not Good For All:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LVsWtso2Tik

⚠️ Consider this: They can now kill anyone on the planet and blame it on a "virus" and get away with it.

There are 100s of ways to kill some one, one of them is boosting the power outage of 3D MIMO 8x8 Phased Array Beamforming Military Grade #5G Tech is not made public WHO is controlling it ... Maybe A.I. "helping" (managing) to give you "better connection" anywhere anyplace.

If you are targeted by 5G Tech and you have a Common Flu Virus can do the trick. It will take maybe years before honest authorities figure this abuse out and do something about it.

John Kuhles,
Founder #Stop5G Fb Group 🦜🦋🌳
Stop5G.net & Twitter.com/Stop5G

[AutumnW]

Hard to figure out how and where this virus got started but it looks like bad things start to just "naturally occur" to regions that the U.S has a beef with.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We're living in a dangerous world. That's simply a fact.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A few predictions and speculations from myself . . . . .

Bill, I‘m convinced now of what I‘ve been suspecting for quite a while: I’m on a totally different timeline than you, meanwhile, though still close enough to talk to you via the net Just saying . . .

I grok what you are stating here I think. These events are not appearing locally for you? You are feeling quite satisfied with everything and not able to put it into your own personal reality tunnel?

This is pure allegation, insinuation, it is not what I stated (or intended to state).

But of course, you are right. Absolutely right.

I'll try and interpret. (If I can!) If I have it all wrong, please do forgive me.

Iloveyou, who I've met personally and is a beautiful person who always means well, wanting and intending the best for everyone else around her, holds it as a core tenet that (at least) we can each play a major part in the reality we choose to experience.

So in the deep dive on this thread to consider all the things that might possibly play out, Iloveyou is concerned that we might in some way be bringing all this on ourselves. She's determined NOT to bring this on HERSELF (or anyone around her) — hence the notion of divergent timelines.

That's why I replied with the (maybe rather poor!) analogy of the weather forecast. When I check the weather before I go hiking in the high mountains, I'm NOT summoning the bad weather on me: I'm merely collecting information to help me best decide whether to take my rain pants or not.

[Pam]

Posted by James Newell (here)
This is a Very powerful video of a Chinese women. She is literally risking her life to say this! This virus is probably done to cover up what is really going on in Commie China. A revolution is happening! It should probably be copied and forwarded all over because youtube tends to take things like this down. It don't forward the great socialist agenda.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RvaL4-B5s6Q

I have watched a couple of these videos and it just breaks my heart. All of the pent up frustrations from years of being forced to tow the party line and to appear happy to do it. Then there is the future for this woman. In the very best of circumstances, she lives and has her social credit score trashed to the point of being a pariah for the rest of her life. At the other end of the spectrum, she simply vanishes. I admire her courage.

The bigger picture here is we are all heading in that direction. The time is coming when speaking out like this will most definitely bring down harsh repercussions. It is going to happen sooner than we think, like a thief in night.

[Sarah Rainsong]

This is the video from N. Korea that Chris Martenson references in his latest update. As one comment so eloquently puts it:

2020 has really turned the world on it's head. The most honest news about the virus [is] coming out of North Korea!

I wonder how long this will stay up before it's pulled.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PfpmaAWtqds

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Could this be related to the Coronavirus?

Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases

Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019.

http://https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related