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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by vizon (here)
    Bill, do you think it's possible that these tests are as flawed as some theorists are saying? Specifically David Icke?

    Also, do you think it's possible that this virus is, let's say, 10x more contagious than influenza but has the same mortality rate? This would still be catastrophic for the planet, but do you think that's a possibility?
    I'd go with higher than 10x as virulent when compared to the "seasonal" flu.


    the tests seem very flawed, and reporting is sometimes skewing numbers badly (Italy for example will list a death as "with corona" because the person died in a facility with CORVID-19 present, not that they died FROM the virus or even had it) this all adds up to confusion which the media is leveraging into panic.

    no fatality rate is a good rate, but 2 or 3% is much better than say; the Spanish flu or plague were like.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    A report from Iceland.

    This comes from this Icelandic site https://covid.is/data. Not from the WHO or the CDC.

    Folks — whoever this may applies to! — Please wake up and dig a little deeper. There's independent reporting happening here, from every country. The reported numbers aren't globally choreographed. It's not the Truman Show.

    If anyone thinks it is, they're in denial of an overwhelming reality that's affecting real people. Sooner or later, wherever you are, that'll be real people near you. Then you can see it for yourselves.

    We already have infected people on the forum, and I may have been one of them. (I'm fine now.) You can read some of their accounts on this members-only thread: Avalon members who may have Covid-19.

    Bearcow (see his post here) and Elainie (see her post here) have had it pretty badly. There'll be more. That's inevitable.

    Here's the article about Iceland. Globally speaking, it's just a tiny part of the huge moving picture. But it's a real part.

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    In a response to the Covid-19 pandemic that is unparalleled anywhere in the world, health authorities in Iceland have tested almost one in 20 of the island nation’s inhabitants for the coronavirus.

    According to the latest data published by Iceland’s directorate of health, 17,904 tests have been carried out so far in the country, equivalent to about 4.9% of the total population. So far health authorities have detected 1,135 confirmed cases of Covid-19.

    Currently 935 patients with the virus are in isolation at home, while 35 are in hospital, 11 of whom are in intensive care, according to the Icelandic data. So far, 198 patients have recovered.

    Icelandic authorities require people to quarantine themselves when there is a possibility they have been exposed to coronavirus. As of Tuesday, 8,879 people were in quarantine, while 6,214 had completed a period of quarantine. So far, two people have died.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Folks, wake up and dig a little deeper. . . .

    go to 5 mins and 50 sec
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A report from Iceland.

    This comes from this Icelandic site https://covid.is/data. Not from the WHO or the CDC.

    Folks — whoever this may applies to! — Please wake up and dig a little deeper. There's independent reporting happening here, from every country. The reported numbers aren't globally choreographed. It's not the Truman Show.

    If anyone thinks it is, they're in denial of an overwhelming reality that's affecting real people. Sooner or later, wherever you are, that'll be real people near you. Then you can see it for yourselves.

    We already have infected people on the forum, and I may have been one of them. (I'm fine now.) You can read some of their accounts on this members-only thread: Avalon members who may have Covid-19.

    Bearcow (see his post here) and Elainie (see her post here) have had it pretty badly. There'll be more. That's inevitable.

    Here's the article about Iceland. Globally speaking, it's just a tiny part of the huge moving picture. But it's a real part.

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    In a response to the Covid-19 pandemic that is unparalleled anywhere in the world, health authorities in Iceland have tested almost one in 20 of the island nation’s inhabitants for the coronavirus.

    According to the latest data published by Iceland’s directorate of health, 17,904 tests have been carried out so far in the country, equivalent to about 4.9% of the total population. So far health authorities have detected 1,135 confirmed cases of Covid-19.

    Currently 935 patients with the virus are in isolation at home, while 35 are in hospital, 11 of whom are in intensive care, according to the Icelandic data. So far, 198 patients have recovered.

    Icelandic authorities require people to quarantine themselves when there is a possibility they have been exposed to coronavirus. As of Tuesday, 8,879 people were in quarantine, while 6,214 had completed a period of quarantine. So far, two people have died.

    Bill, early evening yesterday I saw my neighbor wheeling his wife around the block for fresh air, I opened my bedroom window to ask what had happened. She said she had fallen in the house and broke her rib. I said whew ok, but then both went onto tell me they both had the virus last month in February, just as we had (same time frame!!!!!) and also said one evening the first week of March their son and his girlfriend came over for dinner and they had just come back from Summit County( I think Aspen is in Summit, need to check) skiing the day prior and as they sat at dinner heard the news that said all person's that have been in Summit (and other ) counties please report home and quarantine. The next day they came down with symptoms and then were tested positive for covid. Both have recovered now but neighbors point was they didn't get it from their son because they had it the month prior even though it wasn't being reported here or tested for.

    Herbalist Greg Caton shares his advice and experience as he had it in Ecuador where he resides.
    http://www.altcancer.net/news/coronavirus2.htm
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Folks, wake up and dig a little deeper. . . .

    go 7 mins and 20 sec
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=XN9wEPvsTxU
    The YouTube text itself says that the 'Nano Domestic Quell' leaked DARPA document has been debunked, which I believe to be the case. Yes, of course vaccines could theoretically contain just about anything one might imagine in a dystopian Sci-Fi movie. I don't think anyone reading this would dismiss that out of hand, or deny the danger of forced vaccination. That's not really an issue here.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    My Grandson had the symptoms a fortnight ago - went back to work today -- he lives with his parents who have not developed any symptoms.
    He self treated and the authorities not informed.
    Probably many like him -- so any statistics are probably inaccurate.
    Only those requiring some form of medical intervention show up in the records.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Spanish Flu was 1-2%

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    Quote Posted by vizon (here)
    Spanish Flu was 1-2%
    ~2.5% but very wide spread with very bad medial care

    Estimates are that 12 million died, but the population of the planet back then was estimated at 1.8billion, so that's what makes it the "deadliest pandemic" of the 20th century.

    Now the real kicker is that the 2nd wave was more deadly, but the statistics are still all smooshed together like it was the same incident

    Hopefully the same doesn't hold true this time around.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Quote Posted by Elainie (here)
    I just read this in a FB post. Perhaps someone more familiar with testing will be able to confirm if this is true.

    Everyone needs to read this. Posted by my trusted friend the level 1 trauma nurse. This is why testing is BS and data is screwed up.
    When it cones to viruses, not only do we have fewer tests than people think but good luck isolating them.
    "The following is from a medical forum. The writer prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days.
    'I work in the healthcare field. Here's the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.
    This is why you're hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That's because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.
    The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
    The problem is the test is known not to work.
    It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
    Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
    The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.
    And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
    If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
    If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.
    And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.
    Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.
    They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.
    There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
    All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.
    Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.
    You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.
    Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.
    Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.
    Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.
    But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.
    1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
    2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
    3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.
    4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.
    Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.
    They can not "confirm" something for which there is no accurate test."
    ~~~

    That's been widely copied around, and was read by David Icke in his most recent broadcast.

    I think this is invented. Because it repeatedly mentioned the virus's DNA. I've highlighted the segments in red.

    But that's quite false. It's an RNA virus. Look it up. There's no DNA in it. Any medical student would know that.
    I'm always suspicious of anything "widely copied", especially on Facebook. So it could well be invented. Reading thought it, it also has that overall "tenor" to it... I don't think David Icke fully understands the process either; listening to some of his videos he oversimplifies the explanation of the testing technology by implying the PCR tests detect for all coronaviruses (which I think is inaccurate or misleading).

    However, there may some validity to the premise of the information above, even if invented, and to what David Icke is saying. If we can suspend our disbelief for a moment and assume the information above is genuine testimony from a health-care professional, we might forgive that she/he is not a virologist and assume this person has either 1) inadvertently botched her/his technical understanding the testing technology or 2) has deliberately botched it to achieve a desired sensational effect.

    In any case, I am always mindful to describe the test technology, as I understand it, not as in the above testimony or as David Icke does, but as an RT-PCR test (Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction) test, and not just a PCR test, which is misleading. RT-PCR testing accounts for a reverse transcriptase enzyme converting RNA to DNA at the start process. (See page 10 of this document).

    The potential problem, in my view, is not necessarily the quality of the reporting, i.e. there may be no agenda at all behind many of the reputable sources reporting the information, but rather, the problem could be with the quality of the statistics being reported on. If a source 1 and source 2 confirm "x" people died of COVID-19 or "y" people are infected, the sources may be reporting honestly and accurately on that information--which confirms people are sick and dying--but how do we know "x" people really died of COVID-19 (and not of something else) or "y" people are infected with SARS-CoV2 if the statistics are faulty?

    I'm not saying I know for sure this is the case, but I'm really trying to wrap my head around that question and trying to understand...
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Another oddity from the article in post # 2877 is:

    Quote But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
    Osteogenesis refers to the early formation of bone and is not a relevant term term to be used when talking about viral load. Plus it should say an osteogenesis.
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    Here's a 38 minute Alex Jones interview with Jeff Nyquist, from today's show, just uploaded. It's worth listening to.

    The video title, China Launches Biological War Against The West: More To Come, was suggested by Nyquist on air.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5e83a8041389a2003a0f3c4d

    I do think that Nyquist's view isn't impossible that China might launch a bioweapon against the west — a different one. I've posted about this before, the earliest a month and a half ago, in mid-Feb.

    If another virus starts to circulate in the US on top of the current one, that's more severe than Covid-19, then that's almost certainly a confirmed hypothesis test that we're in a WWIII biowar.

    (Note that Nyquist thinks Covid-19 was released by China. I lean strongly towards a covert US 'deep state' operation, to frame China, and [if so] what might happen next would be China's retaliation. That's [very!] high octane speculation, but the next 4-6 weeks would tell us if there's any truth in this or not.)

    This isn't for the faint-hearted, nor for the statistics-deniers or the "it's-only-flu"-ers. For those following this thread: Covid-19 is either a bioweapon or it's not. (I'm personally certain it is.)

    You can't suspect it's a bioweapon AND doubt the deaths, the cases, and the diagnoses.

    There's no logic in that. That's just confused thinking. It's a grim truth that bioweapons usually do exactly what they're designed to.
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    Can we rule-out that there are front line operators using hand held devices in some hospitals to activate the decline to death process of covid19-positive patients ?

    IF . . . a hand held device can radiate a trigger signal ( probably at the 5G carrier frequency ), nanobots inside a human body could be activated WITHOUT the presence of a 5G network.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's a 38 minute Alex Jones interview with Jeff Nyquist, from today's show, just uploaded. It's worth listening to.

    The video title, China Launches Biological War Against The West: More To Come, was suggested by Nyquist on air.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5e83a8041389a2003a0f3c4d

    I do think that Nyquist's view isn't impossible that China might launch a bioweapon against the west — a different one. I've posted about this before, the earliest a month and a half ago, in mid-Feb.

    If another virus starts to circulate in the US on top of the current one, that's more severe than Covid-19, then that's almost certainly a confirmed hypothesis test that we're in a WWIII biowar.

    (Note that Nyquist thinks Covid-19 was released by China. I lean strongly towards a covert US 'deep state' operation, to frame China, and [if so] what might happen next would be China's retaliation. That's [very!] high octane speculation, but the next 4-6 weeks would tell us if there's any truth in this or not.)

    This isn't for the faint-hearted, nor for the statistics-deniers or the "it's-only-flu"ers. For those following this thread: Covid-19 is either a bioweapon or it's not. (I'm personally certain it is.)

    You can't suspect it's a bioweapon AND doubt the deaths, the cases, and the diagnoses.

    There's no logic in that. That's just confused thinking. It's a grim truth that bioweapons usually do exactly what they're designed to.
    The link didn't work - looks like its this one: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e83a8041389a2003a0f3c4d
    From Bill: Thx! Edited my post, and also your quote.
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    Mathematics and Coronavirus - a Numberphile interview: Brady Haran with Kit Yates (here's one for any mathematicians amongst us)

    Apart from my little bug bear with the way overused and ambiguous term 'Coronavirus', here's an interesting interview with Kit Yates, a mathematical biologist who is actually based [Bath, UK] just a little way down the road from me here in the UK.

    If it hasn't already been made very easily digestible to some of us by the most excellent Chris Martenson then Kit does a similarly grand job here in helping make the statistical data comprehensible. As an aside, I've worked with statisticians and they're a very interesting bunch indeed, if a little strange [in a good way that is]. Then again they may have thought much the same about me (what are the odds of that being the case? )

    "..we have to be isolating everyone, in case they've got symptoms"


    There aren't any pretty pictures or funky graphics here, but at 9 or so minutes long is a refreshingly unsensationaised conversation which can equally well be just listened to as opposed to viewed, while you brew a

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This isn't for the faint-hearted, nor for the statistics-deniers or the "it's-only-flu"ers. For those following this thread: Covid-19 is either a bioweapon or it's not. (I'm personally certain it is.)

    You can't suspect it's a bioweapon AND doubt the deaths, the cases, and the diagnoses.

    There's no logic in that. That's just confused thinking. It's a grim truth that bioweapons usually do exactly what they're designed to.
    Bill, I appreciate your insight and "clarity" of vision of the situation. But statistics actually leans more towards the "it's-only-flu" and if you follow the models, their predictions are changing dramatically towards "it's-only-flu". Both Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, as well as many other prominent specialists in this area, do believe that the death rate is actually far below 1%.

    Since you have personally recommended David Icke's insight into COVID 19 situation. I am not sure if you noticed or not but he is an "it's-only-flu"er. He is actually, in your words, a contrarian.

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    Quote Posted by Michi (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's a 38 minute Alex Jones interview with Jeff Nyquist, from today's show, just uploaded. It's worth listening to.

    The video title, China Launches Biological War Against The West: More To Come, was suggested by Nyquist on air.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5e83a8041389a2003a0f3c4d

    I do think that Nyquist's view isn't impossible that China might launch a bioweapon against the west — a different one. I've posted about this before, the earliest a month and a half ago, in mid-Feb.

    If another virus starts to circulate in the US on top of the current one, that's more severe than Covid-19, then that's almost certainly a confirmed hypothesis test that we're in a WWIII biowar.

    (Note that Nyquist thinks Covid-19 was released by China. I lean strongly towards a covert US 'deep state' operation, to frame China, and [if so] what might happen next would be China's retaliation. That's [very!] high octane speculation, but the next 4-6 weeks would tell us if there's any truth in this or not.)

    This isn't for the faint-hearted, nor for the statistics-deniers or the "it's-only-flu"ers. For those following this thread: Covid-19 is either a bioweapon or it's not. (I'm personally certain it is.)

    You can't suspect it's a bioweapon AND doubt the deaths, the cases, and the diagnoses.

    There's no logic in that. That's just confused thinking. It's a grim truth that bioweapons usually do exactly what they're designed to.
    The link didn't work - looks like its this one: https://banned.video/watch?id=5e83a8041389a2003a0f3c4d
    From Bill: Thx! Edited my post, and also your quote.
    LIBRARIAN REMINDER, as I think I may have mentioned this before:

    The documents referred to in the interview, here:

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Qiao_Liang,...rfare_1999.pdf

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Speech_By_C...ion_(2005).pdf

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    What are the chances of this now? I went outside on my bedroom porch and the neighbors to the right of me were out on the sidewalk talking to their daughter who had stopped by on bicycle. I said hi, and she proceeded to tell me she had covid19 on New Years and onwards, she says she contracted it coming home from LA California, and she had never been so sick, thought she was going to die, went to the ER after many days of fever and unable to breathe, dry cough, they tested her for flu's, negative. Then she went back three weeks later still unwell and they refilled her inhaler. She is also around my daughter's age, the one who also got the inhaler at ER. Only the time span varies by us getting it a bit over a month later.

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    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This isn't for the faint-hearted, nor for the statistics-deniers or the "it's-only-flu"ers. For those following this thread: Covid-19 is either a bioweapon or it's not. (I'm personally certain it is.)

    You can't suspect it's a bioweapon AND doubt the deaths, the cases, and the diagnoses.

    There's no logic in that. That's just confused thinking. It's a grim truth that bioweapons usually do exactly what they're designed to.
    Bill, I appreciate your insight and "clarity" of vision of the situation. But statistics actually leans more towards the "it's-only-flu" and if you follow the models, their predictions are changing dramatically towards "it's-only-flu". Both Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, as well as many other prominent specialists in this area, do believe that the death rate is actually far below 1%.

    Since you have personally recommended David Icke's insight into COVID 19 situation. I am not sure if you noticed or not but he is an "it's-only-flu"er. He is actually, in your words, a contrarian.
    Well, I'm a contrarian, too. I'm personally certain all this is a sophisticated operation that's been well-designed for many years. If so, all this would have been wargamed out already in supercomputer models.

    And, if so again, then the possible (or not-impossible) scenario of a Chinese retaliation and further escalation would also have been wargamed out. Maybe the Chinese have been (or will be) deliberately goaded to do this. All this will have many, many layers.

    What that leaves us with is figuring out what the overall intention of all this is. I'd suggest it's sure to be multi-layered, too. But the multiple answers to the Cui Bono? question would be fairly obvious to everyone reading this.

    Consider this. If someone's deploying a weapon, it makes much more sense to have designed the weapon well so that it does precisely what's intended. That seems to be exactly the case here.

    This is NOT "just the flu". We should all be way past that by now. They don't build tent hospitals in Central Park for the flu!

    And all the real reports from real healthcare workers in real hospitals, and panicked state governors in the US (who have no idea what's going on, but have to respond to their own problems on the ground), all very strongly suggest this is NOT an ordinary situation.

    The Chinese showed us there was nothing ordinary about this in Wuhan in January.


    Of course, the media escalation (and filtered reporting) would be all part of the 'weapon'. That's obvious, too.

    But the reality is rock solid underneath all this. No-one needs to be covertly inserted in ICU units to pull the trigger because the weapon's not worked properly. It seems to be working perfectly efficiently.

    If this is correct, in whatever supercomputer models have already been run, the global chaos, societal denial, slow adaptation, refusal (by some) to comply with lockdowns, easy transmissivity due to the failure to cancel flights and do ANY kind of proper screening, government incompetence and lack of speedy response, lack of critical supplies, will all have been factored in. And the WHO's criminal mishandling of all of this.

    Now, I may be wrong. But if another virus starts to make an appearance in the US in the next 4-6 weeks, then everything's different. We'd be in a true nightmare. No-one here would be arguing over tiny things any more.

    And remember: if this does happen, the numbers start small — first individually, then in small clusters. But anomalies would gradually appear and become recognized. One might have to search out the reports. The 'boom' phase (c.f. Chris Martenson) happens a month or two after that.

    This is just a hypothesis. But it's not a crazy, unintelligent, untenable one. It may even be more likely than the much-touted mass arrests, that never ever EVER seem to happen.
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    Bill you've just made the best case yet for all those 57K troops surrounding Switzerland.
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    Can we rule-out that there are front line operators using hand held devices in some hospitals to activate the decline to death process of covid19-positive patients ?

    IF . . . a hand held device can radiate a trigger signal ( probably at the 5G carrier frequency ), nanobots inside a human body could be activated WITHOUT the presence of a 5G network.
    It wouldn't have to be someone standing in a room with a remote control. If you have read about Tesla's discoveries, you know that energy, such as scalar waves, can be sent all over the planet from distant sources. It can even be done from satellites. That is how geoengineering can work.

    When I read the info available about the virus, I am looking for anything that seems to show that transmitting frequencies is part of what is happening. So far it seems possible, but I haven't seen a smoking gun.

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