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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?
    See one post above: better use organic salts of magnesium.

    You will need magnesium only, if you have magnesium deficiency.
    That will show up in symptoms like leg cramps, when you take high dosis of vitamin D, because vitamin D needs and consumes magnesium - thus increasing a possible deficiency of magnesium.

    The core message is: Use vitamin D + A!

    Dr. von Helden also developed an even stronger vitamin D + A protocol for people that already are infected with Covid-19. They should raise there levels up to the official stated maximum of 150 ng/ml.
    see: https://www.vitamindservice.de/node/4324/

    In my view infected people should also apply strong antioxidants like cistus tea, cysteine (if tolerable), vitamin C, curcumin, ginger and others.
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    This virus and all the advice the medical and government departments have been given to the public, and the reaction of some panic buying and selfish people will cause side effects and serious health implications to some people.

    The elderly who are not has quick to get their shopping has others so they will not be able to get the basics they need because others have bulked buyed it.

    Special dietary requirements those that need a certain diet for medical reasons including serous allergies to certain foods.

    Eating disorders, some people can only eat certain food but not others. If people bulk buy everything it could include the food these people only eat.

    The consequences may in the long term cause serious health issues and even death has a indirect result of peoples reaction to this virus and the way it is put across to us by the media, governments and the medical profession.

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    Hi Helium, Welcome to the Forum. I think I understand the excitement (my word) of facing something so potentially enormous at this later stage of life. We have never had so much experience and maturity as we have now. It feels like the culmination of something, but not the end. Diane
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    ......... I feel proud to be a part of a group of people who are concerned, intelligent and open to new ways of thinking and being. Hope some of the remedies shared may assist you.

    I am very struck by a chord chiming your post. I feel that in some way this is a time that I have been waiting to be in. My personal metaphor is that the shell thin matrix IS CRACKING and that the light is streaming in more than ever. I am excited about the possibility of sanity underneath the chaos.

    I want to share a statement that affirms IMO THIS IS IT. Keep doing our work and it bears fruit!! Note that the exact "what" is not the point. It is turning to the source of the projection we experience as a world and cooperating with that source consciously IMO......
    I so much appreciate everyone’s response to my first post.

    The only reason I’m here is for the level of maturity across the board, of all members.

    Diane, when you say this feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say. I would have much to say on this subject in the right time and place. I hope to complete my profile as soon as possible. My bio would speak to this topic.

    My head is buzzing and spinning so terribly that I can’t write very well. So tired of being drenched in sweat but need to be thankful for it. However, when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.

    For months I’ve been thinking that the form of a think tank would be applicable. Initially a statement of intent would need to be banged out, then various concepts might gel into either divergent or parallel channels so that those who resonate with a particular tangent could work on clarifying potential insights. There are classic strategies that think tanks use. I’m really stuck on trying to figure out how to articulate methods for inspiring others to think in terms of humanity as a whole rather than concentrating on their individuality or on distinct groups. Too many seem to avoid broader conceptions of themselves in relation to humanity as an entity unto itself. It seems to me that such broad thinking is essential. Who is doing such a thing? Who is most prepared and capable of thinking in such a fashion? These questions need to be asked and answers sought. It does seem as if it’s time to initiate some movement along these lines. Perhaps PA is the place to be, eh? (admission: have traveled too much in Canadian space, or not enough)

    Anyway, I did manage to get some sleep. I’m still breathing. Body temp keeps going up and down along with elevated pulse rate. Blood pressure is OK and fairly stable. O2 saturation is 96-97%. Body aches are present as well as chest tightness and some aching. Can’t think worth beans, though. Dizzy with buzzing head. I’ve been prepping the body for coronavirus since late-January. So maybe this could be worse.

    One other thing. I had a stroke a bit over a year ago, although no one can tell. I resolved that relatively quickly by beginning speech and motor skills therapy on my own, beginning in intensive care. By the way, I was ridiculed by hospital staff for doing so. But I walked out on my own two weeks after being admitted with what I estimate 70% paralysis. I’m highly self-motivated. I now use the maximum dose of losartan (100mg daily). MedCram has an excellent recent video discussing ACE inhibitors (such as lisinopril) and Angiotensin Receptor Blockers (losartan). I’ve been wondering if maybe the losartan is actually occupying the ACE-2 receptors in the lungs like has been hypothesized so that COVID cannot infect. That would explain no development of major breathing problems so far – if I’m dealing with COVID.

    I’ve been reading as much as I can find in the research and medical literature regarding the ARB’s such as losartan and their efficacy as a potential treatment or danger in relation to COVID. Initially I considered discontinuing losartan out of ‘an abundance of caution’ (am now hating that term). Interestingly, fairly soon after I stopped losartan to replace it with a calcium channel blocker I became immediately ill with obvious flu-like symptoms including the tight aching chest. I began taking the losartan again right way so that an illness wasn’t compounding with possible high blood pressure. Then it seems the illness had stalled, but still with what would be considered rather mild symptoms (compared to a cytokine storm or pneumonia). Too bad the clinics are so messed up and COVID testing is such a joke in the US. It would be nice to know if I’m shedding virus or not. I assume that out of an abundance of that crappy phrase that I despise I could be an asymptomatic spreader. I won’t be infecting anyone else. Like I said, I’ve anticipated all of the possibilities and have spent a month and half preparing. Even have stores of oxygen if needed. I live in a seniors only community so I’ve tried to prepare for the possibility that I’ll have to care for others. That includes a store of standard pharmaceutical medications for use in extreme life and death situations where valid medical care is not going to be available.

    My disclaimer: Nobody should act on anything I say or infer without fact checking, educating oneself, then accepting responsibility for your own decisions regarding medical or mental health issues. I refuse to imply that I’m an expert in any way on any subject whatsoever.

    I suspect that discussion of this nature belongs in Health and Wellness. So any further mention of my medical stuff (if any) will be posted there.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

    They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.
    Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
    Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.
    Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus . . .

    . . . Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.
    Hi hohoemi! It‘s not the measures itself, that people have to stay home nor the self isolation which worries me. If I believed (and I guess believing, is all we can do atm, noone knows anything for sure imo) I‘d appreciate those measures all the more. But I personally am rather with the researchers on the ‚contrarian‘-thread.

    What baffles me, is the fact that the governments can implement now whatever laws and measures they want and change them anytime, there‘s no limit. And it‘s just the beginning, moderatly, to get people used to it. If this goes on for months - I‘m quite sure it will - it will be devastating for all the small and for many medium-sized businesses. THEY lie through their teeth, more than ever.

    And the measures seem to be coordinated worldwide, centralized, so quickly and unanimous. No different approach in different countries (except UK, still . . . ?) as one would probably expect.

    The open and scary question for me remains: What happened to the people in Wuhan, Iran, Italy? What are they dying of (except age and medical preconditions) - when it‘s not because of the virus in the first place?
    Hi Iloveyou,
    I totally agree on both the possibility that things may not be as they seem, and that this may be an excuse to start implementing all kinds of control measures, not to mention that whatever vaccacine is developed in the future may be a bigger problem than the disease it's supposed to fight, or that it's a screen for sth. else people are dying of.
    That being said, I haven't kept up with any of the alternative media reporting on this, other than a few quick looks at this thread, so I'm totally uninformed here other than general background knowledge on how hidden agendas tend to work. Just working with what I heard from mass media and assuming that the illness is what it seems, the implemented measures make a lot of sense. It could even be both at the same time, i.e. the illness is as portrayed and the measures help deal with it, and at the same time the virus was purposefully released to acheive certain ends and/or is being used for that after it occurred naturally.
    Since I have more time to read up on stuff now, including in the "contrarian" thread you mentioned, hopefully I'll be a bit better informed soon
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    With the lock down their is less traffic, less carbon emissions also from businesses less nitrogen dioxide also.

    Its less polution. Less traffic to work, less stress in traffic jams...the knock on effects are exponential.

    A silver lining a lot of things that are consideted too hard to do, this has forced our hand, the way of working, travelling, socialising, the internet and new technology could improve our lifestyles and health.

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    Last night a scientist on TV said that Norway needs to go into full isolation and that this is kind of like war. People got scared so today in the news the question is whether or not we need more fearmongering rather than what she actually said («If the facts alarm you…»).

    Thankfully she says she’s been contacted by many doctors who wishes to work with her from now on.

    When speaking of ‘war’. Since 2007 Fred Kempe is the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Atlantic Council. And in his article «Op-Ed: The US should call NATO to action and defend Europe against coronavirus» (March 14th) he writes that NATO should declare war on the virus:

    Quote • Trump should offer the transatlantic community an Article 5 declaration of war against this deadly pathogen.

    • NATO could bend Article 5 to combat a non-state terrorist actor striking the United States, why not also to combat COVID-19.

    • Given current transatlantic divisions, there is far greater need now than after 9/11 for a symbolic gesture of unity.

    Meanwhile NATOs exercise Defender-Europe 20 has been modified (March 16th) «in size and scope» as «the linked exercises to Exercise Defender-Europe 20 - Dynamic Front, Joint Warfighting Assessment, Saber Strike and Swift Response - will not be conducted.»

    RT: US halts deployment & recalls troops from NATO’s biggest drill ‘Defender Europe 2020’ due to coronavirus threat

    And regarding ‘the blame game’ secretary Pompeo telephoned a Politburo member:

    Quote Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo spoke by phone on March 16 with Yang Jiechi, Director of the Office of Foreign Affairs of the Communist Party of China. Secretary Pompeo conveyed strong U.S. objections to PRC efforts to shift blame for COVID-19 to the United States. The Secretary stressed that this is not the time to spread disinformation and outlandish rumors, but rather a time for all nations to come together to fight this common threat.
    …while Trump referred to coronavirus as «Chinese virus».


    Some positive news: Xiaomi donates masks to Italy in hour of need

    ------------------------------------------------

    Here’s the Italian doctor again, Professor Giacomo Grasselli, with an update from Italy:

    Italy to 'prioritise patients with highest chance of survival' from coronavirus, says doctor




    PS! Update from Norway: 1527 confirmed cases. 6 deaths (3 of them today).

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    Quote Posted by IChingUChing (here)
    In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

    In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

    In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

    I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.
    I think each of us will see what we are during this time. It took me so many years to wrap my head around the fact that some folks really have no empathy, they are motivated only by protecting and benefiting themselves
    That is such a fear based state of mind.

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    This is straight out of Monty Python.

    ~~~
    Police in Puyallup, Washington have asked criminals to stop committing crimes in light of the coronavirus epidemic. The Puyallup Police Department posted on Facebook:
    “Due to local cases of #Covid-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank all the criminals in advance. We will certainly let you know when you can resume your normal criminal behavior. Until then.... #washyourhands & #behaveyourself”

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    Quote Posted by iamofopenmind (here)
    It's all about the wonga. It seems no major economy had a pot to piss in for years, all of a sudden trillions of dollars/pounds are being found by all the major economic powers. Ask yourself where the hell is all this money coming from. Somethings afoot here folks and it's not good.
    Being somewhat familiar with the financial markets in the US(no expert) one thing that I have noticed since the 2007 meltdown is that this was the first time that there was such an intense intervention to prevent markets from reflecting fair market value, which it is supposed to do. Any time the markets wanted to make an organic correction the FED stepped in and fixed things. Intuitively, that only meant that there would be no coming back from a true correction as nothing was done to correct the issues that created this in the first place. In fact the leveraging and corruption increased at record pace...it seems a there was a desperate attempt to get the greatest amount of money for the big transfer of wealth...

    Is it any coincidence that markets were at a record high before the last downfall....
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    when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.
    This kind of discussion would really suit me and maybe when you feel better, you might start a thread along these lines. In the immediate context, I am so grateful for advice concerning the vitamin D, A, C and other information to encourage the immune system. I can really understand that what we might call "native" Chi or energy is involved and that doing energy exercise along these lines is so important.

    Given that we have been OFFICILALLY dissuaded from the idea in the US that vitamins, minerals, herbs and "complementary" medicine are valid, people who learn that THESE are the ways we will get through with our health intact now may be a super boon to sanity later. People may GROK that we have been led astray.

    Will people be upset enough by the total incompetence of the government run "health departments"? This is what I am visualizing at this time... disgust with the systems that have taken over and now PROVE are paper thin, geared towards self perpetuation and not care, support, thriving.

    Unfortunately in my neighborhood, some people seem oblivious STILL. Today one of the people I interact with is not even mentioning the issue as she perepares to get out after a minor surgery. I had taken her some ascorbic acid and talked about the subject but since there was no resonance, I just will stop pursuing. It may be that we have to REALLY take the BIG picture into focus. In the next year, there WILL be the need to embrace a rearrangement where lots of people are going to drop the body.

    Quote feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say.
    I am feeling that metaphorically the carcass of the old paradigm needs its death and cremation. Everything I ever intellectually absorbed concerning the need to surrender to a higher power, the beauty of change, the possession of free will, the grateful heart BEFORE the manifestation, My power to create my own experience, MY role in my life as the one I have Waited For.....

    These ideas are to be LIVED.

    We are putting mettle to the task of redefining our lives because of SO MUCH MORE than this one wedge. May it be graceful. I sincerely believe we can choose this grace for own use. For instance, if we know that these nutrients will protect the immune system, we can utilize this knowledge and go anywhere fearlessly. I am also spending most of my mental energy repudiating the regimes. I am replacing them all with reasonable heart centered servents and I am making Tulsi Gabbard president. I have been told OVER and OVER that what we are asked to do is imagine the world as we wish it to BE. Even Jon Rappaport says that. What that means is that we have to be able to see the evil BUT LIVE IN the GOOD.

    This is the time for all good men to rise to stand for their principles. That would be true anytime whenever and now.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    updating news .. towards the solution

    China approves coronavirus vaccine for clinical trials - state media

    China has authorised clinical trials on its first vaccine developed to combat the new coronavirus, according to a report in the ruling Communist Party's People's Daily.

    The researchers are led by Chen Wei, of China's Academy of Military Medical Sciences, it said.

    Russia begins testing potential coronavirus vaccine

    Russian scientists have begun to test vaccine prototypes for the new coronavirus, and plan to present the most effective one by June, a laboratory chief at a state biotech institute said.

    Takeda sees speedy approval of coronavirus treatment

    Takeda Pharmaceutical Co. said its plasma-derived therapy against coronavirus currently in development has the potential to be among the first approved treatments for the deadly pathogen.

    The Japanese pharmaceutical company could have an edge because the treatment involves a process that already has approval from regulators. The key point in negotiations with regulators for approval is whether it has the necessary concentration of the antibody, or titer, needed to fight the Covid-19 disease, said Julie Kim, Zurich-based president of Takeda's plasma-derived therapies unit.
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    The resilence of man never ceases to amaze me. Great achievements during times of need are not uncommon. We need to start celebrating efforts such as this instead of memoralizing the efforts during times of war.

    Irish-developed kit confirms infection in 15 minutes

    First products could be out in just seven days



    An Irish company is preparing to release rapid Covid-19 testing kits, which can provide results in 15 minutes and potentially act as a "clinical weapon" against coronavirus.

    The tests have been developed with the same technology contained in pregnancy tests and although they are in a pilot phase, they could reduce testing times dramatically from four hours to just 15 minutes.

    Assay Genie, a Reagent Genie brand, will be releasing the rapid POC (Point of Care) kit within weeks globally and already some Irish hospitals have been in touch to sample the product, according to Colm Ryan, biochemist and chief executive of Assay Genie.

    The test measures one drop of blood and according to the co-founder and CTO of the company Seán Mac Fhearraigh "ultimately, we would have a clinical weapon to combat the spread of the virus".

    Mr Ryan and Mr Mac Fhearraigh met at UCD when they were studying biochemistry.

    They both have PhDs and were able to develop the kits after learning early on how the virus was spreading so quickly in Wuhan, China, where it was first identified.



    "We were working on this as soon as we found out about coronavirus, as we have contacts in China," Mr Ryan, from Co Tipperary, said. "We were ahead of the curve, due to that.

    "So we worked with a partner to develop the kit to bring it to market and it's CE certified for diagnostic use in Ireland.

    "We need to come together to fight this battle.

    "It's similar to going through a war but we will stay together and get through it and unite."

    The kit uses lateral flow technology to detect Covid-19 within just one drop of blood.

    Currently, the virus is detected via an advanced molecular technique called quantitative real-time PCR, which takes four hours to deliver a result.

    The Assay Genie kit uses colloidal gold immunochromatography to detect the virus and antibodies in human blood, serum and plasma.

    Positive samples are shown by a colour change within the test kit.

    The kit is so far a research-use only test but there have been "lots of contacts from Irish hospitals and in the UK, and round the world," Mr Ryan said.

    "They're taking free tests on the first batch. We should have a consignment out in seven days.

    "We are getting a lot of contacts from frontline staff, especially from pharmacies.

    "We need a quick way of responding to this virus.

    "There's a global shortage of raw materials for the test kits being used currently.

    "And I think some people don't realise the mammoth task involved in testing."

    Mr Ryan said he believes those showing symptoms should be tested and rapid testing should be used on medics who are dealing with the crisis up close.

    Large companies have also shown an interest in the rapid tests, as they are concerned about having staff away from offices in self-isolation.

    A rapid test for workers who may be showing cold symptoms could rule out coronavirus, or flag just when medical help is needed.

    Mr Ryan also believes that anyone who is caring for the elderly and the vulnerable should also have easier access to testing.

    But he says the rapid tests could only potentially be used by GPs and other medics.

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    This is straight out of Monty Python.

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    Police in Puyallup, Washington have asked criminals to stop committing crimes in light of the coronavirus epidemic. The Puyallup Police Department posted on Facebook:
    “Due to local cases of #Covid-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank all the criminals in advance. We will certainly let you know when you can resume your normal criminal behavior. Until then.... #washyourhands & #behaveyourself”

    Funny, but maybe this is an intuitive response on the part of the police.

    Hopefully I can put this in acceptable terms. Puyallup is host to a fairly large Native American population and a large casino nearby. Or perhaps I should say the Tribes are hosting the City of Puyallup and it’s surroundings. Now, I have a great deal of respect for the Tribes here in Washington. There is more social pressure on tribal members to behave appropriately than we exert in our non-tribal society. Tribal members have a good deal of pride in their cohesiveness and sense of social belonging. I’m trying to suggest that any potential tribal criminals are going to have greater social pressure to behave than our non-tribal criminals. The police are perhaps aware of this and are politely shouting out to tribal elders without committing outright racial profiling. This is just a thought. I’d almost make a bet that this request from the police will actually work to a greater extent than anyone might expect. At least I have hopes.

    The Makah people here on the Olympic Peninsula have closed their lands recently to any but tribal members. Good for them.

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    Quote Posted by iamofopenmind (here)
    It's all about the wonga. It seems no major economy had a pot to piss in for years, all of a sudden trillions of dollars/pounds are being found by all the major economic powers. Ask yourself where the hell is all this money coming from. Somethings afoot here folks and it's not good.
    Being somewhat familiar with the financial markets in the US(no expert) one thing that I have noticed since the 2007 meltdown is that this was the first time that there was such an intense intervention to prevent markets from reflecting fair market value, which it is supposed to do. Any time the markets wanted to make an organic correction the FED stepped in and fixed things. Intuitively, that only meant that there would be no coming back from a true correction as nothing was done to correct the issues that created this in the first place. In fact the leveraging and corruption increased at record pace...it seems a there was a desperate attempt to get the greatest amount of money for the big transfer of wealth...

    Is it any coincidence that markets were at a record high before the last downfall....
    They are kicking the can forward again as they did in 2008. They are not going to reform or change the system to any large degree. They are actually making it easier again and removing all and any restrictions they had implemented in the time in-between.
    Restrictions to steal and scam the populace from their property isn't going to end now. It's basically encouraged right now. The rich and elite get to keep their wealth with bailouts through "force majeure" exceptions.
    This crisis will only really effect the lower and middle-classes to larger extents. This will work to make the poor poorer and limit the field of middle-class wealth more and more. Unless the goal is to appease the masses with socialism the world over. (they are mostly socialist anyway)

    USA is the target and those who aspire to their freedoms. It's been dismantled from within as the populace largely didn't suspect there was someone after their rights and freedoms to be removed.
    There is a aspect I've noted within the capitalistic framework is you need all "educated" about the rules of the game. It's the most intelligent wins the game. When you have most of the populace completely distracted and unwitting about the framework it makes the game simple. You don't share your winning hand for others to game.
    We have others who don't like the free-for-all and want to rig it in their hand. Europe is rigged, America still retains some of it's original ideals from the founders but you've lost the game at this point if I would take it today.
    I would seem to be say that America is being forced to align with the ways of Europe. Your hard won Freedom is being curtailed.
    It was largely done through the Education and Media with a specific agenda. From what I see today it was socialists playing the game looking at your hand.

    Socialists are behind the Central banking framework in today's world. They want that position of absolute control. Free market frameworks are not tolerated, only to limited degree as far as they can keep it in control and change the rules whenever they feel like it to direct finance in whatever adventures they feel who are connected and keeping each other company can pat each others backs for their well being as masters of the populace.

    Some dramatic about faces and changes would be needed to turn this around but I don't see it happening.
    I've not really grasped what the next step is right now but we are still in the middle of this play at the moment with this virus. They have goals and plans for what it will end in but to what degree they succeed is kinda in the air at the moment but they have the momentum in their hands having caught most unprepared for their action.

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    when I talk of feeling as if I’ve been groomed for these events I mean I know I have been, yet speaking about it publicly makes me hesitant to express certainty. I’ve known from the beginning that this life I’m involved in has a well-defined direction and purpose. Unfortunately I’ve never felt comfortable speaking about it. This thread may not be the proper place to discuss ideas as to how to approach the coming psycho-social transition that seems clearly inevitable. But that’s my goal – to work towards outcomes and resolutions with others of similar persuasion.
    This kind of discussion would really suit me and maybe when you feel better, you might start a thread along these lines. In the immediate context, I am so grateful for advice concerning the vitamin D, A, C and other information to encourage the immune system. I can really understand that what we might call "native" Chi or energy is involved and that doing energy exercise along these lines is so important.

    Given that we have been OFFICILALLY dissuaded from the idea in the US that vitamins, minerals, herbs and "complementary" medicine are valid, people who learn that THESE are the ways we will get through with our health intact now may be a super boon to sanity later. People may GROK that we have been led astray.

    Will people be upset enough by the total incompetence of the government run "health departments"? This is what I am visualizing at this time... disgust with the systems that have taken over and now PROVE are paper thin, geared towards self perpetuation and not care, support, thriving.

    Unfortunately in my neighborhood, some people seem oblivious STILL. Today one of the people I interact with is not even mentioning the issue as she perepares to get out after a minor surgery. I had taken her some ascorbic acid and talked about the subject but since there was no resonance, I just will stop pursuing. It may be that we have to REALLY take the BIG picture into focus. In the next year, there WILL be the need to embrace a rearrangement where lots of people are going to drop the body.

    Quote feels like a culmination, but not the end, doesn’t that sound strangely like a description of death, or perhaps birth? But what we’re dealing with is a transition on an enormous scale, as you say.
    I am feeling that metaphorically the carcass of the old paradigm needs its death and cremation. Everything I ever intellectually absorbed concerning the need to surrender to a higher power, the beauty of change, the possession of free will, the grateful heart BEFORE the manifestation, My power to create my own experience, MY role in my life as the one I have Waited For.....

    These ideas are to be LIVED.

    We are putting mettle to the task of redefining our lives because of SO MUCH MORE than this one wedge. May it be graceful. I sincerely believe we can choose this grace for own use. For instance, if we know that these nutrients will protect the immune system, we can utilize this knowledge and go anywhere fearlessly. I am also spending most of my mental energy repudiating the regimes. I am replacing them all with reasonable heart centered servents and I am making Tulsi Gabbard president. I have been told OVER and OVER that what we are asked to do is imagine the world as we wish it to BE. Even Jon Rappaport says that. What that means is that we have to be able to see the evil BUT LIVE IN the GOOD.

    This is the time for all good men to rise to stand for their principles. That would be true anytime whenever and now.

    Very nicely said. I’m going to make the effort to put up my biographical info today. That will be a start. There is much for me to learn about the technical aspects of the forum. I goofed this morning when attempting to post a mulit-quote and wasted a bit of Bill’s time as he repaired the error.

    I was looking at ‘groups’ and imagining a group effort to address the subjects we’re speaking of now. As soon as I have a proper place to land some of my writing on these subjects it won’t take too much effort to post. Much has already been written. It simply requires editing. What really works for me is when someone asks a question. Then I’m triggered and a response simply flows. I have a post in mind that I entitle The Theater. I’d like to get it out if I can. It simply needs a proper place to land. Along with that is The Bridge. Right now I have no idea what topic to use for a new thread. Anyone with a suggestion or who is willing to begin such a thread on their own would be welcomed by me. Most of what I have to offer is based on personal experience and much of it speaks to the nature of humanity as an entity unto itself.

    How are groups actually formed? Does one person begin and hope for others to join? Or is the creation of a group an actual group effort?

    Please be patient and keep checking back on my profile now and then.

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    UPDATE

    Quote The RBWH Foundation has established a Coronavirus Action Fund. By Monday afternoon it had raised $30,000 of the desired $750,000 for the clinical drug trials and other related medical research.

    "The trials will start as soon as funding is secured," the fund states.
    DONE, $1,396,073 already raised.
    Confirming the trial is beginning now.



    Each infected patient will be offered the choice to receive the treatment when being admitted, at every participating hospital. Fifty hospitals were participating when the action fund was opened, which was seeking $750,000 to begin. Over 1.5 million dollars has now been raised so far, the more that’s raised, the more hospitals participate.

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    Some memes from Twitter.

    “Your grandparents were called to war, you’re being called to sit on the couch. You can do this.”

    “Hope that bat was ****in’ tasty.”

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    Coronavirus cancels major military drills, gives Europe reprieve from NATO warmongering

    https://www.rt.com/news/483360-nato-...d-coronavirus/

    Defender Europe 2020’ was supposed to be the largest NATO exercise in 25 years, encompassing smaller exercises [Dynamic Front, Joint Warfighting Assessment, Saber Strike, Swift Response] that were scheduled to take place in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia starting in April and continuing into May.

    Although: Rick Rozoff, peace activist at StopNato International, thinks it’s incredibly ironic that a virus seems to have derailed, however temporarily, NATO’s strategic priority to expand to the Russian border. “This is a tactical retreat, in the face of nature,” he told RT.  “I’m going to have to assume that, if and when the coronavirus is brought under control, that we’ll see the resumption of such military provocations, large-scale military exercises on Russia’s western border.”


    AFRICOM cancels multinational, maritime exercise Phoenix Express

    The exercise was slated to kick off on April 5 in the Mediterranean Sea. The annual exercise is intended to boost regional cooperation, facilitate sharing information, and enhance maritime domain awareness, among other things, according to AFRICOM.

    Last year’s Phoenix Express exercise involved countries including Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. AFRICOM says planning is ongoing for next year’s exercise.

    The announcement comes a day after the command announced that U.S. Army Africa’s multinational exercise African Lion (US military exercise with Morocco, Tunisia and Senegal) was also being nixed this year.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...irus-outbreak/

    Norway cancelled its March NATO exercises dubbed “Cold Response” in the Arctic Circle.

    Norway, in coordination with its civilian health authorities, cancelled its March NATO exercises dubbed “Cold Response” due to coronavirus outbreak, with more than 15,000 soldiers from nine countries returning to their home locations.
    Cold Response is the biggest NATO allied exercise in Norway this year, with the main activities of the exercise taking place inside the Arctic Circle, from Narvik to Porsangermoen.

    Earlier this month, the US scrapped major exercises with Israel (Juniper Cobra 20).

    A key joint military training exercise in South Korea was canceled late last month as the outbreak intensified.


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