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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Molope (here)
    I'm not a person who gets into much discussions I find myself more of a reader but I feel I have to say something.

    It does pain me to see some people here downplaying or outright calling this virus a fake or a weak virus when I see that just today,in Spain where I live, more than 700 people got reported dead from it. Dozens of old people found dead in their care centers,even some young people are getting really really sick.I wish the virus would be as weak as some say but it's not and I hope all of you stay safe and stay healthy.
    Hello Molope,

    I understand your sentiments; this is such a complex and complicated global tragedy on so many fronts; emotions are high and I'm not surprised the way people are coping and discussing what we are all dealing with runs the risk of polarizing the discussion... but I truly don't believe that is anyone's conscious intent, nor do I think anyone here is being callous or downplaying the tragedy of the deaths and suffering people all over the world are experiencing. What we are all enduring is so very confusing and scary and happening so fast; the only thing I know for sure is we are under attack and people are suffering and dying because of it. On top of that our very way of life is also collapsing all around us, likely never to return back to a pre-COVID-19 world. Other than that, I honestly can't say for sure I understand the who/what/when/how/or why of it. There is just not enough reliable or accurate data; what data we do have is emotionally charged with very real suffering and death, yet also wrought with agenda and easily skewed and manipulated given the fear and panic and distraction the masses are under, all of whom are understandably preoccupied and focused on protecting themselves, their loved ones, their neighbors, and the greater human community at large. Amid this very real chaos we are being fed a dubious narrative by dubious sources and agencies and authorities we all know to have disingenuous motives and agendas which in fact are 100% counter the public wellbeing, yet to some extent we are dependent on these same sources and agencies and authorities for our very lives. Can you really blame people for reacting how they will? The question is, given these uncomfortable facts, how should we all be discussing this?

    I would suggest we all take with a grain of salt anyone who implies the virus is fake -- but who knows? It may be 100% fake and but a patsy for some other form of bio attack we are under that is sending people to the hospital and killing them all the same. I suspect COVID-19 isn't fake at all in that sense, but I could be wrong, and even if I'm not wrong, other than that, what the hell do I know?

    Much love and providence to all; stay healthy and safe and we will get through this...

    T Smith
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    NATO exercises will go ahead despite coronavirus concerns, Stoltenberg says

    Because they know it is not that threatening?
    John

    Actually I had quite thought this had been cancelled but it seems that it is still going ahead? The article you'd posted is dated March 5th, this one March 21st, although it does seem as if the US have definitely scaled back their troop numbers participating in this.


    [Related] 30, 000 soldiers arrive in Europe without masks by Manlio Dinucci | Voltaire | March 9th, 2020
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    An informative video from Clif High, I've watched his other one's on his own channel but a friend called me and said this is good so I listened.


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I am currently in Jerusalem for about 10 more hours, after spending two weeks in Israel. How, as Americans, my husband and I got into this country without going into a 14-day quarantine is beyond belief, but we did. That is a story for another time. Meanwhile, we have seen the steady lock-down of this country on a daily basis. Tonight as of 5 pm no Israeli is to venture beyond 100 meters from their residence, which is to be enforced by the military and the police. All public transport is ending this evening, and only private cars and taxis are to move on the roads. We rented a car early in our stay, which when we saw the continuing lock-down, we extended to return to the airport when we leave. Our flights home seem to be holding, so we will be in London tomorrow, and in Florida the following day.

    I have lived briefly in Israel before, many years ago, and registered its military vibration at that time, so seeing all this unfold appears to be accepted with little protest from the general population. Somehow they are just accepting the restrictions and believe in their necessity. Israelis are much more caught up in the strangeness of their national political situation then in the lock-down, as 600,000 attended an online virtual protest this past week of the Knesset members being locked out of their parliament. Most tourist attractions in the country are shut down with the exception of the Western Wall of the old Temple. Whatever few religious sites that remain open, there are no lines and no crowds, so that we easily could enter a few of the holiest sites.

    There was a 7-hour city-wide interruption of the internet this morning that my husband thought might be due to installation of 5G equipment, but we have no way of knowing that. The deaths in Israel being attributed to the coronavirus stands at five as I write this. About 80,000 Israelis have been quarantined the past few weeks because of traveling overseas. El Al flew its first commercial flight to Australia this past week to pick up all Israelis wishing to return home from Australia and New Zealand, and they are doing the same all over the world.
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    And, here come the drones......Leicester, UK. March 25th, 2020

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    The article below was published today by the Saker -- http://thesaker.is/interview-with-pr...22-march-2020/

    Emphasis in dark red is mine.

    Quote Interview with Professor Didier Raoult in the Parisien newspaper 22 March 2020
    March 25, 2020

    Professor Raoult is a leading expert on infectious diseases. He is confident he has a cure for Covid 19, which he is using in his Marseille hospital. He is having trouble getting the French health authorities to take him seriously. Despite his international renown he does not get on too well with the Parisian medical establishment. And he has long hair. Oh dear… Read on: —

    [Translation Robert Harneis – The article in French is here: —https://www.upr.fr/actualite/pour-co...22-mars-2020/]

    LE PARISIEN – The government has authorized a large scale clinical trial to test the effect of Chloroquine on Coronavirus. Is having got that to happen important for you?

    DIDIER RAOULT – No, I couldn’t care less. I think there are people living on the Moon and who contrast controlled trials for Aids with trials for a new infectious disease. Like any other doctor, once a treatment has been shown to be effective, I find it immoral not to use it. It is as simple as that.

    LE PARISIEN – What do you say to doctors who recommend caution and have reservations about your trials and the effect of Chloroquine, particularly in the absence of more extensive trials?

    DIDIER RAOULT – Let me make myself clear: I am a scientist and I think like a scientist with verifiable evidence. I have produced more data about infectious diseases than anybody else in the world. I am a doctor, I see sick patients. I have 75 patients in hospital, 600 consultations a day.

    So, regarding the opinions of other people, I couldn’t care less. In my team we are practical people, not birds for television interviews.

    LE PARISIEN – How did you come to work on Chloroquine with the idea that it could be an effective treatment for Coronavirus?

    DIDIER RAOULT – The problem in this country is that the people that talk are abysmally ignorant. I did a scientific study of Chloroquine and viruses, which was published, thirteen years ago. Since then four other studies by other authors have shown that Coronavirus responds to Chloroquine. None of that is new.

    That the group of decision makers do not even know about the latest science takes my breath away. We knew about the potential effect of Chloroquine on cultured viral samples. It was known that it was an effective antiviral.

    We decided in our experiments to add a course of treatment of azithromicyne (an antibiotic used against bacterial pneumonia – ed).

    When we added azithromycine to hydrochloroquine, in treating patients suffering from Covid-19, the results were spectacular.

    LE PARISIEN – What do you expect from the bigger scale trials on Chloroquine?

    DIDIER RAOULT – Nothing at all. With my team we think we have found a treatment. And as far as medical ethics are concerned, I do not think I have the right as a doctor not to use the only treatment which has so far worked.

    I am convinced that in the end everybody will use this treatment. It is only a matter of time before people agree to eat their hats and to say that is what should be done.

    LE PARISIEN – In what form and for how long do you administer chloroquine to your patients?

    DIDIER RAOULT – We give hydro chloroquine in doses of 600mg per day for 10 days (the name of the medicine is Plaquenil – ed.) in tablet form administered three times a day. And 250 mg of azithromycine twice a day for the first day and then once a day for five days.

    LE PARISIEN – Is it a treatment that can be taken as a preventive?

    DIDIER RAOULT – We don’t know.

    LE PARISIEN – When you apply the treatment, after how long can a patient with Covid 19 be cured?

    DIDIER RAOULT – What we know for the moment is that the virus disappears after six days.


    LE PARISIEN – Even so, do you understand why certain of your colleagues are cautious about this treatment?

    DIDIER RAOULT – People give their opinions about everything but I only talk of things I know about, I don’t give my opinion about the French football team! Each to his own. Today, scientific communication in this country is on the level of a chat in a bistro.

    LE PARISIEN – But aren’t there precautionary rules to follow before using a new treatment?

    DIDIER RAOULT – To those who say there has to be thirty multi-centered studies with a thousand patients, I reply that if we had to apply these existing methodological rules, we would have to re-do a study on the usefulness of the parachute. Take a hundred people, half with parachutes and half without and count the dead at the end to see which is the best method.

    When you have a treatment that works versus zero other available treatments, this treatment should be the norm.

    And I am free to proscribe it as a doctor. It is not necessary to obey the orders of the state to treat patients. The recommendations of the Health Authority are advice, but not binding. Since Hippocrates, the doctor does what is best, to the best of his knowledge according to the state of scientific knowledge.

    LE PARISIEN – What of the risks of serious undesirable side effects connected with taking chloroquine, especially high doses?

    DIDIER RAOULT – Contrary to what certain people say on the television, Nivaquine (name of a medicine based on chloroquine – ed.) is rather less toxic than a strong dose of Doliprane or Aspirin.

    In any event, a medicine should not be taken lightly and always prescribed by a general practitioner.

    LE PARISIEN – Are you aware that you have given rise to an immense amount of hope of a cure for affected patients?

    DIDIER RAOULT – What I see, essentially, is that there are doctors writing to me from all over the world every day to know how to treat patients with hydroxy chloroquine. I have had calls from Massachusetts General Hospital and the Mayo Clinic in London.

    The two world leading specialists, one of infectious diseases and the other for antibiotics have contacted me to ask for details on how to put this treatment into effect.

    Even Donald Trump has tweeted on the results of our tests. It is only in this country that people don’t quite know who I am! Just because you don’t live inside the Périphérique (the dual carriageway round Paris – tr.) does not mean that you can’t do science. This country has become Versailles in the 18th Century.

    LE PARISIEN – What do you mean by that?

    DIDIER RAOULT – Discussions are going on between French people or even between Parisians. But Paris is completely out of touch with the rest of the world.

    Take the example of South Korea and China where there are no more cases. In these two countries, they decided a long time ago to do tests on a great scale to be able to diagnose infected patients more quickly. It is the basic rule in dealing with infectious diseases.

    But we have arrived at a degree of madness where doctors in television studios do not advise diagnosing the illness, but tell people to stay shut up at home. That is not medicine.

    LE PARISIEN – You don’t think that shutting up the population will be effective?

    DIDIER RAOULT – We have never done this in modern times. It was done in the 19th Century for Cholera in Marseille. The theory of isolating people to stop the spread of an infectious disease has never been successfully tested. We don’t even know if it works. What is going to happen when people are shut up in their homes for 30 or 40 days? In China there are reports of suicides out of fear of Coronavirus. Some people will be fighting amongst themselves.

    LE PARISIEN – Should we, as recommended by the WHO carry out extensive testing in France?

    DIDIER RAOULT –We have to have the courage to say it: the mish mash ‘à la française’ does not work. France is only at 5000 tests a day whilst in Germany they are carrying 160,000 a week! There is a sort of dissonance. With infectious diseases, you diagnose the patient and when you have the result you treat them. Particularly as we are starting to see people with the virus apparently without visible symptoms, but who in quite a lot of cases have pulmonary lesions visible on the scanner, showing they are ill. If these people are not treated in time there is a reasonable risk that we will have them in recovery or that we will lose them. Not to test people until they are seriously ill is thus an extremely artificial way of increasing mortality.

    LE PARISEN – And should everybody wear masks?

    DIDIER RAOULT –It is difficult to evaluate. We know that it is important for health workers because they are the rare people who have really have very close contact with sick patients when they examine them, sometimes 20cm from their faces.

    We don’t really know how far the virus reaches. But certainly not more than a meter. So beyond that distance perhaps it does not make sense to wear a mask.

    In any event, the hospitals should have the priority for masks to safeguard health workers. In Italy and in China, a considerable percentage of the sick turned out in the end to be health workers.
    http://thesaker.is/interview-with-pr...22-march-2020/

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I don't know anything really, but I do know this. There is a global agenda that we need to become aware of and is of crucial importance to our survival as humans on this earth.

    Don't take my word for it, and check it out. It is as real as our reality.

    The global, elite/controllers/bastards have been working on this for decades if not centuries.

    All I ask of anyone is that they check this out and really take this to heart. There is not much time left and it may be too late. We have been warned time and time again by Authors and David Icke and the Corbett Report, James Corbett and others.

    This virus is just a part of their agenda with global control in the offing. One world currency to take control of your finances and entire life. Don't believe me, fine. You'll find out later to your demise.

    Your call! Just wait till the virus scare blows over and go on as before.
    But, believe me this is real.
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    This is really pretty interesting.
    21 Million Chinese Cellphone Users Disappear in Three Months of Pandemic
    24 March, 2020

    The opacity of the Chinese Communist government obliges responsible outside observers to look for clues to the truth of the coronavirus epidemic, instead of merely repeating official information without question.

    The official count from China is 3,277 fatalities from 81,171 infections as of Tuesday, but the Epoch Times noted the troubling disappearance of some 21 million cell phone accounts in China over the past three months – an unprecedented decline that hints at more fatalities than Beijing is prepared to admit.

    It should be stated at the outset that we should not be forced to read tea leaves to figure out what really happened in China, especially in the virus epicenter of Hubei province and the city of Wuhan, where Chinese officials are currently making claims of zero new infections that no one seriously believes.

    While more responsible governments issue troubling warnings of a second wave of infections, severe enough to prompt the re-imposition of quarantine procedures that were only recently lifted, China claims it has no second wave and all of its new coronavirus cases are imported.

    With that in mind, the Epoch Times thought it was a bit odd for 21 million Chinese cell phones to abruptly disappear, given that cell phone usage has been increasing constantly in China for years, and phones have been touted as an important tool for containing the coronavirus epidemic:
    China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) announced on March 19 the number of phone users in each province in February. Compared with the previous announcement, which was released on Dec. 18, 2019, for November 2019 data, both cellphone and landline users dropped dramatically. In the same period the year before, the number of users increased.

    The number of cellphone users decreased from 1.600957 billion to 1.579927 billion, a drop of 21.03 million. The number of landline users decreased from 190.83 million to 189.99 million, a drop of 840,000.

    In the previous February, the number increased. According to MIIT, the number of cellphone users increased in February 2019 from 1.5591 billion to 1.5835 billion, which is 24.37 million more. The number of landline users increased from 183.477 million to 190.118 million, which is 6.641 million more.

    According to China’s National Bureau of Statistics, the country’s population at the end of 2019 was 4.67 million larger than in 2018, reaching 1.40005 billion.
    The article went on to postulate that some of the landlines might have been shut down as a consequence of the coronavirus quarantines, particularly lines used by shuttered business operations, but the sheer magnitude of the cell phone user decline makes it more difficult to explain.

    China Mobile, the nation’s largest carrier, reported gaining 3.7 million new accounts in December but then losing over 8 million in January and February, months in which it posted gains of 3.5 million users the previous year.

    The Epoch Times considered several explanations for the loss of users, such as migrant workers who kept different cell phones for their home and work cities – necessary due to some of China’s regulations on phone service – abandoning the work phone because it was not needed during the quarantine period, or people generally canceling their phone service because they wanted to save money during the hard months.

    On the other hand, the government is currently requiring citizens to use their cell phones to generate “health codes” so their movements can be tracked and permission to travel can be restricted to healthy individuals, so as U.S.-based commentator Tang Jiangyuan put it, it is effectively “impossible for a person to cancel his cellphone.”

    “Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping … no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones,” Tang noted.

    The New York Times explained just how heavily Chinese authorities are leaning on those cell phones to monitor their population, and not just for coronavirus infections:
    The Times’s analysis found that as soon as a user grants the software access to personal data, a piece of the program labeled “reportInfoAndLocationToPolice” sends the person’s location, city name and an identifying code number to a server.

    The software does not make clear to users its connection to the police. But according to China’s state-run Xinhua news agency and an official police social media account, law enforcement authorities were a crucial partner in the system’s development.

    While Chinese internet companies often share data with the government, the process is rarely so direct. In the United States, it would be akin to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention using apps from Amazon and Facebook to track the coronavirus, then quietly sharing user information with the local sheriff’s office.
    The system, which relies on a unit of the immense Chinese e-commerce company Alibaba, assigns users a green, yellow, or red “health code” in the style of a traffic light. Predictably, Chinese citizens find the opaque system cryptic and frightening, since the government has not explained exactly how it works.

    “In some cities, residents now have to register their phone numbers with an app to take public transportation,” the Times added.

    At the beginning of March, the so-called Alipay Health Code system had been launched in the city of Hangzhou, expanded to 200 other cities, and was on its way to a complete nationwide rollout. The rollout ran into some hitches over the following weeks, from technical glitches to confusion caused by local governments adding their own health codes to the already intimidating system.

    A correspondent writing for Bloomberg News on March 18 reported using the system and said it was in the process of being “rolled out nationwide at railway stations, restaurants, pharmacies, and more.” Other reports in China have noted how cell phones are ubiquitous there and are employed for everything from accessing public and commercial resources to telecommuting to school during the coronavirus lockdown.

    With this in mind, it might not be completely impossible to get by in Chinese cities without a cell phone at the moment, but it seems unlikely that a huge number of citizens would choose this moment to get rid of their phones.

    “Lacking data, the real death toll in China is a mystery. The cancellation of 21 million cellphones provides a data point that suggests the real number may be far higher than the official number,” the Epoch Times concluded.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Just following up from previous posting with more research to support this hypothesis that Coronavirus is a bioweapon. All references are gradually supporting these findings below.

    Summary:

    COVID-19 intentional seeding in Italy and South Korea. The importance of simultaneous timings of outbreaks provides further evidence of this scenario. Multiple locations simultaneously, with no clear idea of source and cases with no proven links, is virtually prima facie evidence of a pathogen deliberately released, since natural outbreaks can almost always be resolved to one location and one patient zero. The interesting correlations with near locations of US bioweapons facilities suggests that an intentional campaign of seeding took place simultaneously from these bioweapon facilities. Thanks to Ref to kfm27917 PA post 2541 on the History of Pentagon Biological Weapons Program.

    Future research would be required to identify any possible correlations of bio weapons facilities to known timed injections of the virus at specific geographical locations. Of course, the same scenario may not apply for some infected countries. Those countries in question without bio weapons facilities may have had a delay in spreading the virus injections.
    Details in previous posting references to 25 secret bio weapons facilities.

    Introduction:

    A high-level Italian virologist, Giuseppe Remuzzi, has published papers in the Lancet and other articles in which he states facts not hitherto known. (1)
    The doctor stated that Italian physicians now recall having seen:

    “a very strange and very severe pneumonia, particularly in old people in December and even November 2019. This suggests that the virus was circulating, at least in Lombardy, and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China.“(2)

    Chinese medical authorities have determined the same underlying phenomenon, that the virus had been circulating among the population for perhaps two months before it finally broke out into the open.

    Further, according to the Italian National Health Service (ISS):

    “It is not possible to reconstruct, for all patients, the chain of transmission of infection. Most cases reported in Italy report an epidemiological link with other cases diagnosed in Lombardy, Emilia Romagna and Veneto, the areas most affected by the epidemic.” [translation from Italian] (3)

    The above statement is of crucial importance since it supports in itself the assertion of several simultaneous infection clusters and several ‘patients zero’.

    That would mean Italy was hit by at least several individual ‘seedings’ of the virus.

    China’s outbreak of consequence was primarily in the city of Wuhan but with multiple sources in the city and multiple patients zero, with a minor outbreak in Guangdong that was easily contained. China had multiple clusters in Wuhan. There was no single source, and no patient zero has been identified which is similar to those of Italy.

    The mystery of Italy’s “Patient No. 4”. Before February 20, 2020, there were only three cases of coronavirus infection in Italy, two tourists from Wuhan, China, confirmed on January 30th. These were clearly imported cases with Italy experiencing no new infections during the next two weeks.

    Then suddenly there appeared new infections that were unrelated to China.
    Immediately after this one patient was diagnosed, Italy experienced a major outbreak. In one day, the number of confirmed cases increased to 20 and, after little more than three weeks, Italy had 17,660 confirmed cases.

    “America’s pandemic of the century has become the subject of suspicion by Italian physicians “. (4)

    The mystery of South Korea’s “Patient No. 31”?

    South Korea discovered a “Patient No. 31”, a 61 year-old South Korean woman diagnosed with the new coronavirus on February 18. This ‘local’ patient had no ties to China, had no contact with any Chinese, and no contact whatever with any of the infected South Koreans. Her infection was a South Korean source.

    Just as with Italy, the outbreak in South Korea exploded rapidly after the discovery of Patient 31. By the next day, February 19 (Italy was February 21, for comparison), there were 58 confirmed cases in South Korea, reaching 1,000 in less than a week. After little more than three weeks, South Korea had 8,086 confirmed cases. It would now seem likely (yet to corroborated) that South Korea and Italy could have been ‘seeded’ at approximately the same time.

    For both Italy and South Korea, I could also add that there is no supposed “bio-weapons lab” anywhere within reach (as was claimed for China), but further research demonstrates that wouldn’t be accurate. There are indeed secret bio-weapons labs easily within reach of the stricken areas in both Italy and South Korea – but they belong to the US Military.

    Korea is particularly notable in this regard because it was proven likely that MERS resulted from a leak at the American military base at Osan. The official Western narrative for the MERS outbreak in South Korea was that a Korean businessman became infected in the Middle East then returned to his home in Gyeonggi Province and spread the infection. But there was never any documentation or evidence to support that claim, it was never verified by the South Korean Government.

    Pertinent to this story is that according to the Korean Yonhap News Service, at the onset of the outbreak about 100 South Korean military personnel were suddenly quarantined at the USAF Osan Air Base. The Osan base is home to the JUPITR ATD military biological program that is closely related to the lab at Fort Detrick, MD, both being US military bio-weapons research labs. Note: Fort Detrick closed down September 2019.

    There is also a (very secretive) WHO-sponsored International Vaccine Institute nearby, which is (or at least was) managed by US military biological weapons personnel. At the time, and given the quarantine mentioned above, the event sequence accepted as most likely was that of a leak from a JUPITR biowarfare project. (5) (6)
    There is a major point here which cannot be overlooked, namely the fact of simultaneous eruptions of a new virus in three different countries, and in all three cases no clear epidemiology, and an inability to identify either the original source or a patient zero. In the previous posting the US patient zero was identified as military. (see previous posting)

    Multiple experts on biological weapons are in unanimous agreement that eruptions in a human population of a new and unusual pathogen in multiple locations simultaneously, with no clear idea of source and cases with no proven links, is virtually prima facie evidence of a pathogen deliberately released, since natural outbreaks can almost always be resolved to one location and one patient zero. The possibility of a deliberate leak is as strong in Italy and South Korea as in China, all three nations apparently sharing the same suspicions.

    (1) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...#seccestitle10

    (2) https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81797...s-pass-china-s

    (3) https://www.iss.it/web/guest/primo-p...ent/id/5293226

    (4) http://dy.163.com/v2/article/detail/...30514G9GF.html

    (5) https://www.21cir.com/2015/06/south-...arfare-labs-2/

    (6) https://www.businessinsider.com/almo...navirus-2020-3

    Note: Here is a useful paper in order to understand by comparison the reproduction of a recent virus
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/jmv.25723

    Early phylogenetic estimate of the effective reproduction number of SARS‐CoV‐2
    This study proves the usefulness of phylogeny in supporting the surveillance of emerging new infections even as the epidemic is growing.

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    Bill - Concerning the turned off mobile phone accounts indicating possible mass deaths, I posted an article from Qanon book author and researcher Neon Revolt early this morning that referenced both that and possible evidence for mass-burning of Chinese bodies back on 02/08 via measurements of sulfur dioxide gas releases.

    (given the local controversial nature of the source, his views, and expressed certainty, I did not post in this thread).

    Check out the various images to support here:

    https://www.neonrevolt.com/2020/03/2...ng-neonrevolt/

    (I believe the cell-phone deactivations info has been spreading around for several days....)


    Quote #Coronavirus is a bioweapon designed by the Chinese to kill and cripple our economy, and prevent Trump from getting re-elected.

    It is not “just a flu” and is much more virulent and deadly than the average flu – so much so that China has already lost over 20 million of its own citizens to it, and had covered it up, in order to deflect blame from themselves.

    MelBuffington over on Gab was particularly outraged, as he recounted the threads he had read about the sudden burst in emissions over China:

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    Quote Posted by Molope (here)
    I'm not a person who gets into much discussions I find myself more of a reader but I feel I have to say something.

    It does pain me to see some people here downplaying or outright calling this virus a fake or a weak virus when I see that just today,in Spain where I live, more than 700 people got reported dead from it. Dozens of old people found dead in their care centers,even some young people are getting really really sick.I wish the virus would be as weak as some say but it's not and I hope all of you stay safe and stay healthy.
    Anyone who claims this virus isn't real or isn't a problem is short on brains, a true mental midget. Just ignore them. Life is literally too short right now to waste time on clowns.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by Molope (here)
    I'm not a person who gets into much discussions I find myself more of a reader but I feel I have to say something.

    It does pain me to see some people here downplaying or outright calling this virus a fake or a weak virus when I see that just today,in Spain where I live, more than 700 people got reported dead from it. Dozens of old people found dead in their care centers,even some young people are getting really really sick.I wish the virus would be as weak as some say but it's not and I hope all of you stay safe and stay healthy.
    Anyone who claims this virus isn't real or isn't a problem is short on brains, a true mental midget. Just ignore them. Life is literally too short right now to waste time on clowns.
    Perhaps now is the time for neighbor to help neighbor, or stranger to help stranger. Many of us have been preparing for this. I call upon all of us to love thy neighbor, do unto others and just love
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    who says one cannot laugh in adversity....
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    An aside here, but an important one--

    Many have speculated on the 5G connection to this unfolding drama and I don't know if anything can be "proved." But as we begin to take control of our health we need to keep speaking up about this behemoth that's already landed on several nations. It's coming to the U.S., like tomorrow pretty much.

    They've already got 200 of the small cell antennas up in my area, not yet putting out the 5G. They're moving forward as if we have no say. Talk to your neighbors. Keep saying no.
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    Do I need to say anything ? . . . . ( other than it could possibly be fake )

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    Joe Rogan:
    Quote «I’m revising my thinking about this virus»
    Joe Rogan Reads Message From Doctor About the Coronavirus



    ---------

    (From Norwegian MSM) Russia and Germany are helping Italy. Great news. 6 patients from Italy are now being treated in Germany (flown in by the Italian Air Force). Air Force are bringing equipment back to Italy.
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    Been doing some research on chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine and it seems to have some very good potential in treating the new Coronavirus. Here's a short rundown on what's been going on in the news about it recently...
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by Molope (here)
    I'm not a person who gets into much discussions I find myself more of a reader but I feel I have to say something.

    It does pain me to see some people here downplaying or outright calling this virus a fake or a weak virus when I see that just today,in Spain where I live, more than 700 people got reported dead from it. Dozens of old people found dead in their care centers,even some young people are getting really really sick.I wish the virus would be as weak as some say but it's not and I hope all of you stay safe and stay healthy.
    Anyone who claims this virus isn't real or isn't a problem is short on brains, a true mental midget. Just ignore them. Life is literally too short right now to waste time on clowns.
    Molope and Autumn I have read many posts like yours on this forum and others where people are completely disgusted with others who claim the virus is fake or weak or variations of that.

    I just want to point out something that you may not be aware of. There are many possibilities at play here. No one knows for sure what is going on.

    Of course there are those right at the extreme end of the spectrum who claim there were no deaths caused by this COVID-19 virus.
    As crazy as that sounds we need to explore the possibilities carefully, because technically they could even be correct.

    So let's start with the basics.
    Deaths are occurring around the world. The question is, what is causing the deaths?

    It's possible that a 'natural' virus is responsible for the deaths that are being reported.
    It's also possible that a man-made 'bio-weapon' that can be transmitted between people is responsible for the deaths that are being reported.
    It's possible that this bio-weapon has been strategically released in primary target countries, and gradually in other countries, by Gladio II operatives.

    Whether it's a genuine virus or a bio-weapon, it affects elderly people the most.
    This is a big problem as far as counting deaths caused by the virus/weapon.

    Most of the elderly who died and are dying with this virus/weapon in their system had/have several underlying diseases to begin with.
    So when they die, no one can say whether it was the disease or the virus/bio-weapon that killed them ultimately.

    My next point is THE MOST IMPORTANT as far as I am concerned.
    No media outlet that I am aware of is publishing data to compare how many deaths normally occur in each country each month/year.

    All we see is something like this:

    Country A Total COVID-19 cases (74,000) Total COVID-19 deaths (5,200)

    Why not publish data for each country such as the following along with the COVID-19 data?:

    Spain 2018 deaths:
    1. Total 427,721
    2. Tumors 112,714
    3. Mental/behaviour disorders 22,376
    4. Senile disorders 21,669
    5. Nervous system 26,279
    6. Alzheimer's 14,929
    7. Circulatory disease 120,859
    8. Heart failure 19,142
    9. Other heart disease 26,420
    10. Respiratory disease 53,687
    11. Pneumonia 10,415
    12. Lower respiratory disease 13,496
    13. Other respiratory disease 24,665
    14. Digestive system 21,689
    15. Digestive other 13,590

    Then when they publish the total deaths caused by COVID-19 in Spain (3,647) people will say, "Hmmmm.... I see, very interesting......"

    Here's another tidbit of information that the MSM likely won't be publishing anytime soon.

    Between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year.

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    Now we're talking. Finally, here is a state governor who is thinking, obviously has some sharp people around him, and is taking bold and decisive action. This kind of thing is just common sense folks, let's stop freaking out that the boogey man is waiting around every corner, and that we're all just helplessly hiding and waiting to get picked off one by one. Let's get some eyes to see this thing, let's get some ideas together, and go on the offensive.

    I've never even particularly liked the Cuomo family, but by god this governor of New York is challenging the bobble heads in DC head on, doing his own thing, and taking the lead in a time of national crisis:

    Quote New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is launching an anti-body test that will identify in young, healthy people who has had COVID-19 and clear them to go back to work so that they can 'restart' the economy.

    It is part of his strategy to both revive the workforce and isolate the most vulnerable people who are still susceptible to the virus, and is still being developed.

    Cuomo announced it at a press conference on Tuesday but more needs to be done before the tests become available.

    When finished, they will take the plasma from a young, healthy person who may have beaten the virus without ever knowing it.

    In a one-two punch, it will not only clear them to go back to work because they will have proven immunity to it but the anti-bodies in their plasma can then be injected into sick people to try to fight it.

    Cuomo said on Wednesday that the country does not need to wait for the public health crisis to be completely over before it resumes the economy, and that both can be done at the same time if approached 'intelligently'.

    'You can have an economic start-up strategy that is consistent with a public health strategy.
    'I believe once we get that test, you’re going to find hundreds of thousands of people who have had the coronavirus and resolved.

    'Let the younger people go back to work, let the recovered people go back to work.

    'Ramp up the economy with those individuals....you’re refining your public health strategy and at the same time you’re restarting your economy.

    'Those two can be consistent if done intelligently,' he said... (continued)
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ople-work.html

    Even if it doesn't work, this is the type of out of the box thinking we need.

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