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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here's another view, from Gerald Celente. There's a lot of economic news mixed in with his comments on the Corona thing, you can go to 3 or 4 minutes in where he starts to mention it.

    Warning: Lots of Sardonicism, Mockery and Derision herein. Watch at your own discretion


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    As always, we keep watchful and examine all sides of the big picture with discernment and calm. Panic and Fear are killers.

    Quote "A top Chinese official visiting Wuhan has been heckled by residents who yelled “fake, fake, everything is fake” as she inspected the work of a neighbourhood committee charged with taking care of quarantined residents.

    Vice-premier Sun Chunlan, one of the most senior government officials to visit the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, toured a residential community in Wuhan’s Qingshan district on Thursday. According to state media, Sun was inspecting the operations of the neighbourhood committee, meant to make checks on residents each day and distribute necessities like medicine, food and fresh vegetables.

    Videos posted online showed Sun and a delegation walking along the grounds while residents appeared to shout from their apartment windows, “fake, fake,” “it’s all fake,” as well as “we protest”. Some could be heard yelling, “formalism,” a term that has employed frequently recently to criticise ineffective measures taken by government representatives for the sake of appearances."
    Video at link:
    'Fake, Fake': senior Chinese leader heckled by residents on visit to coronavirus city

    That along with this video, Former coronavirus patient says she feels fantastic
    have me becoming more suspicious...
    This is a CORONO FEAR PORN... ChIna has the real virus and yes many have died.
    but what they're doing elsewhere is they're calculating regular flu!

    The numbers don't add up according to their RO rate of infection.
    The Cruise ships are bombarding ppl w 5G
    33 number is used in reports repeatedly of those infected
    Shorting of Stocks in Advance
    Creating more control mechanisms for poplulation and traveling restrictions
    Vaccines, CDC is so corrupt
    8 Billion given in US... 3 Billion to the CDC for vaccination research... BS
    This is similar to 911 tactics

    check out TruReporting youtube "Are we being Fed a Giant Lie?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLlRyO6_xrI
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Water33/6 (here)
    The numbers don't add up
    You are committed to your POV. Sure, there is my own concern for how this will be used.

    Numbers are adding up to some difficulties. 70 employees are showing signs of illness. 26 deaths have occurred of residents since 2/12. People become very ill rapidly. This is not what they have seen before.


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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I know that people may want the Covid19 issue to be hyperbolic (me too) but .....




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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    The following seems to be kind of familiar pattern with this type of coronavirus:

    I was unable to breathe, says Briton who contracted the coronavirus in Wuhan

    There’s short video clip on the page, not sure how to embed it here.

    The same thing has happened to me in December , first time ever in my life. No I don’t think it was Covid 19 else we all would come down with it in the village but it was another strain unknown to us.
    Almost everyone caught “the flu” at that time. People are quite strong and resilient here in Himalayas, some have excellent immunity but I’d see people around being very miserable at that point. Local friend running grocery shop with that flu almost shape shifted strong guy, turned blue and red, you could see the “fighter”, we all got over it in about 3 weeks.
    I exactly locked myself to my premises because it was impossible to do anything else. Body was in pain and the worse part, the normal breathing impulse was silent, almost lost. What it could mean is that the particular flu virus entered central nervous system.
    I did take antibiotic to prevent it getting worse but the only good thing I could do about breathing was applying conscious “yogic breathing” as long as necessary.

    There was plenty of fresh air but very small heating options through out the cold winter as my situation is still quite transitory( after dissolving home in Prague and all the disaster that happened in Zen temple in Uruguay, lost second home, was “bought out” to Finland, another dangerous flip, friends took me to the UK then before I could return to familiar place in the Himalayas and start getting back on track).

    It was surprisingly difficult to control ones own breathing rhythms !

    I could exactly imagine how some people end up on oxygen support in that stage. It just would not happen “on automatic” as usually. It stopped by itself and I had to focus on drawing breath in and out, for hours, wake up in the middle of night, continue breathing. Most fortunately I did not get panic attack at that point but was quite confused about what to do otherwise.
    Eating was difficult even non essential, the body was not asking for it but plenty of liquids were important.
    With any flu I think, staying well hydrated is very important.

    It wasn’t simple flu that would go in 3 days. The onset and hard symptoms lasted almost a week but then it took another 3 weeks to get out of it fully.

    I think I did the best for being able to breathe again, risking walks up and against the fresh mountain air once it was possible just longing for oxygen.

    Side note: I’m susceptible to breathing difficulties from car fumes, dust and lots else nowadays, one reason that made me escape city life for ever or for the time being.
    But many people are as well.


    But I’m good now, thanks to all the healthy vitamins and discipline it took to get through. There’s still lots of pain and fatigue from winter cold and previous travels but it too will pass 🌸😀🌈

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]



    A vid from truereporting about the number 33 showing up in many reports and some other strange facts...
    Last edited by Frank V; 8th March 2020 at 19:10. Reason: embedded your video :)

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by RogeRio (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    For those who may [understandably!] have missed it, I wrote in post #903 about the 2019 Military World Games , which were held in Wuhan on 18–27 October, 2019. 110 countries participated, all sending military athletic teams to Wuhan. Everyone would have been there for at least a couple weeks, moving freely around the city.
    interesting how this info match with the study from Italy, University of Milan - Post #1169

    Quote Through an epidemiological-molecular study of 52 virus genomes already sequenced, they concluded that the origin of the epidemic can be dated between the second half of October and the first half of November 2019. That is, a few weeks before the first cases of “mysterious pneumonia” in China.
    Sounds familiar like a tried and tested means of spreading a virus.

    Take a look back at the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918, the war is coming to an end in Europe service men are returning home to all corners of the world carrying the virus with them.

    Quote:
    Hypotheses about the source
    "In late 1917, military pathologists reported the onset of a new disease with high mortality that they later recognized as the flu."

    The 1918 influenza pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920; colloquially known as Spanish flu) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus, with the second being the swine flu in 2009.[1]

    It infected 500 million people around the world,[2] or about 27% of the then world population of between 1.8 and 1.9 billion, including people on isolated Pacific islands and in the Arctic."

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    I know that people may want the Covid19 issue to be hyperbolic (me too) but .....



    Delight thanks so much for this information. The medical assessment really brings to light the potential for multiple organ compromise. Three out of ten critical patients had renal failure? That requires heavy duty care. I am concerned about the damage this virus is doing to the lungs and kidneys of those that survive? Time will tell.

    One thing for sure, this is a great time to be a non smoker and have healthy lungs. Another interesting thing, 9 out of the 10 patients in the assessment are male and only 2 of the 10 had comorbidities.

    Guys don't forget your vitamin C and if anyone gets this or you know anyone who gets it, drink lots of water. Keep the kidneys flushed out.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    So whatever sickness I had, outlined on my earlier post, a flu of some kind , not a cold, has pretty much passed. What was it I will never know because I no longer care to find out.
    Did all my natural remedies ( listed in earlier post) take something that would have lasted 10 days and knock it out in 3-4, who knows, will never know.

    I have heard so much contrary info on this virus that I am spinning. Today on the news a guy testing positive for over a week or two is feeling good without symptoms . I have heard many of theses cases as well.
    Whatever it is, whatever the truth, I don't think it can be stopped regardless of masks and all these measures . So i think everyone should just accept being exposed to it and just like any other sickness you get exposed to, build your antibodies ,recover or die , and carry on.
    If it sounds like I no longer care ? your right, I don't

    carry on and best wishes everyone

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    So whatever sickness I had, outlined on my earlier post, a flu of some kind , not a cold, has pretty much passed. What was it I will never know because I no longer care to find out.
    Did all my natural remedies ( listed in earlier post) take something that would have lasted 10 days and knock it out in 3-4, who knows, will never know.

    I have heard so much contrary info on this virus that I am spinning. Today on the news a guy testing positive for over a week or two is feeling good without symptoms . I have heard many of theses cases as well.
    Whatever it is, whatever the truth, I don't think it can be stopped regardless of masks and all these measures . So i think everyone should just accept being exposed to it and just like any other sickness you get exposed to, build your antibodies ,recover or die , and carry on.
    If it sounds like I no longer care ? your right, I don't

    carry on and best wishes everyone
    I'm glad to hear your ok. I was worried about you!!! It's encouraging to hear that the interventions helped.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    [quote]: "This isn’t the flu...
    Many people have downplayed this comparing it to the flu.
    The flu kills many and has been here for years and years.
    The flu is worldwide everywhere!
    The CoronaVirus isn’t the flu...It hasn’t even begun to be worldwide yet.
    Let’s pray it never does.

    The flu doesn’t infect one, then go home with the potential to infect and kill the whole family.
    A family of 4, a few weeks ago, ages 30-65.
    A family of 3 last night...Mom, dad and 3 yr old girl 😢
    The flu doesn’t kill multiple doctors in one week, inside of one city, who are trying to help patients (3 here last week in their 20’s).
    This isn’t be Flu!

    FYI: I was just told by a friend, that the WHO, just reported that this is a serious virus, different than the flu.
    So funny, I knew this a month ago, how does WHO, that has ability and access to more information than me, not know?
    I have lost all credibility for the WHO, it sounds like another big company or bad politician, that gives into whoever gives them the best benefit.
    How a few people in power, play carelessly with the life’s of so many, just pisses me off.
    At least Trump, didn’t listen to their advice and he tried to stop traffic coming in from China, in an attempt to slow it down.
    But even Trump, who I think is the best to fight for us in along time, made me mad when more than a month ago he stated China had this under control.
    When I first heard him say that, I could have thrown him off a bridge.
    There was nothing, nothing under control at that time.
    It was nothing but panic, chaos, and a shortage of doctors, beds and medical equipment and no answers.

    I’ll take a breath, stay positive and continue on 😊
    God Bless!"
    [unquote]

    Source





    For more videos go to: https://www.facebook.com/TravisMilneYPX


    This guy living there may well not consider OTHER extra causes (even murder by the state).
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    Exclamation Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    US hospitals are preparing for 96 MILLION coronavirus infections and nearly HALF A MILLION deaths, leaked documents reveal

    All part of the NWO Agenda?


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    US hospitals are preparing for 96 MILLION coronavirus infections and nearly HALF A MILLION deaths, leaked documents reveal

    All part of the NWO Agenda?
    I am aware that the time to act is before the need to act. Proaction seems impossible for "Americans" any longer. Now the reactions will be left.
    People seem oblivious or upset that others are "over reacting" or convinced this is "something else entirely like 5G" or waiting till the officials do something or even reacting irrationally (like with TP). What seems really frightening is that in the US, our leadership seems deliberately setting us up to have a poor outcome. I observe fat ugly "beings" looking more and more like sneering grotesque maggots. I think they are already feeding off the dying carcass of the US.

    The end of possible graceful change to accomodate a bright and lovely world....IS that the plan?

    Here is a google translate quote form Italy. In the case where people need intubation and ventilation, anesthesiologists will be asked to triage patients based on likelihood of survival. It will be harrowing for everyone involved. This is the front page for a whole series of guidelines.

    Quote Italian Society of Anesthesia Analgesia Intensive Care and Intensive Care
    COVID-19 - Tools for anesthesiologists-resuscitators

    Dear colleagues:
    we publish the document "CLINICAL ETHICS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ADMISSION TO INTENSIVE TREATMENTS AND FOR THEIR SUSPENSION, IN EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS OF IMBALANCE BETWEEN NEEDS AND AVAILABLE RESOURCES", which we invite you to read with your usual attention.

    This document is aimed at providing support to anesthesiologists-resuscitators currently engaged in managing in the front line an unprecedented maxi-emergency in terms of characteristics and proportions.

    As SIAARTI we believe it is important and essential in such a dramatic moment as the one we are going through because of COVID-19, to offer authoritative professional and scientific support to those who are still forced by everyday events to make difficult and painful decisions.

    In such a complex situation, the doctor may find himself in a short time making lacerating decisions from an ethical as well as clinical point of view: which patients undergo intensive treatments when resources are not enough for everyone.
    It is not SIAARTI, with this Document of Recommendations, that proposes to treat some patients and to limit treatments to others. On the contrary, it is the emergency events that are forcing the anesthesiologists-resuscitators to focus the attention on the appropriateness of the treatments towards who can benefit most, where the resources are not enough for all patients.

    In the Document, as you will see, the "greater life expectancy" is privileged: this entails not necessarily having to follow a criterion of access to intensive care of the "first come, first served" type. We also wanted to emphasize that the application of rationing criteria is justifiable only after all possible efforts have been made by all involved to increase the availability of resources available (in this case, Intensive Care beds) and after that every possibility of transferring patients to centers with greater availability was assessed.

    We are aware that tackling this issue can be morally and emotionally difficult. As a Scientific Society we could (tacendo) entrust everything to the common sense, sensitivity and experience of the individual Anesthesiologist-Resuscitator, or try to illuminate the decision-making process with this small support that could help reduce anxiety, stress and above all the sense of loneliness. In addition to representing a clear element of protection for the patient in terms of limiting the arbitrariness of the choices of the treating team.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I've just posted the following at The One Truth, also on a thread about the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Quote Posted by Aragorn (here)
    The numbers are interesting, though ─ I've just posted them on the Chris Thomas thread.
    • There are over 100'000 infections worldwide. More than half of those have recovered or are in the process of recovering.
    • There have so far been over 3'400 deaths worldwide due to this virus, but well over 3'000 of those were in the Wuhan province in China.

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    Thumbnail Speaks for Itself...They Are Laughing at Us Now!

    Predictive Programming? or just all "coincidence"?
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)

    The numbers are interesting, though
    • There are over 100'000 infections worldwide. More than half of those have recovered or are in the process of recovering.
    • There have so far been over 3'400 deaths worldwide due to this virus, but well over 3'000 of those were in the Wuhan province in China.
    Yeah, those numbers look good but I have a really hard time trusting them. Time WILL tell.

    “Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable. We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital. And we’ve had patients die relatively quickly under those circumstances…We know very little about how fast this may act.”
    -Life Care Center of Kirkland

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    Quote CDC estimates between 12,000-61,000 flu deaths per a year in the US, given that we've had a flu season that was just north of normal in terms of deadlines I went with 40k people, divided by 365 (as we're at the end of flu season we should have about reached the mid point where we get close to an average number of deaths per a day, a month ago it would have been higher and a month from now it will be lower). Gives you 109.5 deaths per a day. Italy has 133.

    Italy is roughly the size of Florida.
    Quote normal flu season in Italy. On average, around 450-500K Italians get infected a week, and 200-250 die. We've had more than that in the past week from coronavirus in Lombardy alone, so you'd have to believe that 500K+ plus Italians already have it for it to be just as deadly as the flu.
    The Surgeon General has been actively complicit in mushroom farming of the citizens.

    "If we had massive numbers of cases we would be seeing more deaths. And so we actually feel pretty good that some parts of the country have contained it just like when you look at the flu," Surgeon General Jerome Adams told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." His comments come as the number of cases in the US has increased to more than 440, spanning 32 states and the District of Columbia, and resulting in at least 19 deaths.
    Adams continued Sunday, saying: "And when we look at the flu tracker, some parts of the country are having much more severe flu seasons. Some are having very mild flu seasons. The same thing for coronavirus."


    "Surgeon General sees “no evidence that people haven’t been able to get tested” and that “virus is contained” in certain parts of the country."

    I wish all these people who have denied the responsibility to lead and have been politically correct would bear some consequence. Why do leaders never have to be held accountable?

    This is just another comparison showing it is exponential at least in growth in less than a week. Most who are tested already have symptoms. In the US, I am certain that there are MANY people who already feel ill who have not been tested.


    Quote PROMED International Society for Infectious Diseases
    Confirmed cases Start of data recording: 1st data / ... / 1 Mar 2020 / 2 Mar 2020 / 3 Mar 2020 / 4 Mar 2020 / 5 Mar 2020 / 6 Mar 2020 / 7 Mar 2020 / Country

    2 Feb 2020: 17 187 / ... / 80 024 / 80 151 / 80 267 / 80 409 / 80 552 / 80 651 / 80 695 / Mainland China
    2 Feb 2020: 20 / ... / 256 / 274 / 293 / 331 / 360 / 420 / 461 / Japan
    2 Feb 2020: 19 / ... / 42 / 43 / 43 / 43 / 47 / 48 / 50 / Thailand
    2 Feb 2020: 18 / ... / 106 / 108 / 110 / 110 / 117 / 130 / 138 / Singapore
    2 Feb 2020: 15 / ... / 96 / 100 / 100 / 105 / 105 / 107 / 108 / Hong Kong
    2 Feb 2020: 15 / ... / 3726 / 4812 / 5328 / 5766 / 6284 / 6767 / 7134 / South Korea
    2 Feb 2020: 12 / ... / 27 / 30 / 39 / 52 / 58 / 63 / 63 / Australia
    2 Feb 2020: 10 / ... / 130 / 159 / 196 / 262 / 545 / 670 / 800 / Germany
    2 Feb 2020: 10 / ... / 40 / 41 / 42 / 42 / 44 / 45 / 45 / Taiwan
    2 Feb 2020: 11 / ... / 76 / 102 / 124 / 157 / 233 / 330 / 428 / USA
    2 Feb 2020: 8 / ... / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10 / Macau
    2 Feb 2020: 8 / ... / 29 / 29 / 36 / 50 / 50 / 83 / 93 / Malaysia
    2 Feb 2020: 6 / ... / 130 / 191 / 204 / 285 / 423 / 653 / 949 / France
    2 Feb 2020: 6 / ... / 16 / 16 / 16 / 16 / 16 / 16 / 18 / Viet Nam
    2 Feb 2020: 5 / ... / 21 / 21 / 27 / 27 / 29 / 45 / 45 / United Arab Emirates
    2 Feb 2020: 4 / ... / 24 / 27 / 30 / 33 / 37 / 54 / 54 / Canada
    2 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 1694 / 2036 / 2502 / 3089 / 3858 / 4636 / 5883 / Italy
    2 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 2 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 13 / 13 / Russia
    2 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 5 / 6 / Philippines
    2 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 3 / 5 / 5 / 28 / 30 / 31 / 34 / India
    2 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 36 / 40 / 51 / 85 / 116 / 164 / 209 / UK
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Nepal
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Cambodia
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 84 / 120 / 165 / 222 / 282 / 401 / 525 / Spain
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 6 / 6 / 6 / 6 / 12 / 15 / 15 / Finland
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 14 / 15 / 30 / 35 / 94 / 101 / 161 / Sweden
    2 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Sri Lanka
    4 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 2 / 8 / 13 / 23 / 50 / 109 / 169 / Belgium
    14 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 15 / 15 / Egypt
    19 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 978 / 1501 / 2336 / 2922 / 3513 / 4747 / 5823 / Iran
    21 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 10 / 13 / 13 / 13 / 16 / 22 / 22 / Lebanon
    21 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 10 / 10 / 12 / 15 / 16 / 21 / 21 / Israel
    24 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 6 / 6 / 12 / 15 / 16 / 16 / 16 / Oman
    24 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Afghanistan
    24 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 45 / 56 / 56 / 56 / 58 / 58 / 61 / Kuwait
    24 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 47 / 49 / 49 / 52 / 55 / 60 / 85 / Bahrain
    24 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 19 / 26 / 32 / 35 / 35 / 48 / 54 / Iraq
    25 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 14 / 18 / 21 / 29 / 43 / 66 / 79 / Austria
    25 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 3 / 3 / 5 / 12 / 17 / 17 / 17 / Algeria
    25 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 7 / 7 / 9 / 10 / 10 / 11 / 12 / Croatia
    25 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 27 / 42 / 56 / 90 / 119 / 214 / 268 / Switzerland
    26 Feb 2020: 2 / ... / 4 / 4 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 6 / 6 / Pakistan
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 19 / 25 / 32 / 56 / 91 / 108 / 156 / Norway
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 4 / 4 / 4 / Georgia
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 3 / North Macedonia
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 2 / 2 / 2 / 4 / 4 / 13 / 13 / Brazil
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 3 / 3 / 4 / 4 / 6 / 9 / 9 / Romania
    26 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 7 / 7 / 7 / 9 / 31 / 45 / 46 / Greece
    27 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 8 / 8 / 10 / 16 / 21 / 23 / 23 / San Marino
    27 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 10 / 18 / 24 / 38 / 82 / 128 / 188 / Netherlands
    27 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 4 / 4 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 23 / 23 / Denmark
    27 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 3 / 10 / 10 / Estonia
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Lithuania
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Nigeria
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 6 / 11 / 26 / 34 / 45 / 50 / Iceland
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 6 / 9 / 9 / Azerbaijan
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Monaco
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 6 / 6 / 6 / 6 / Belarus
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 1 / 1 / 1 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 5 / New Zealand
    28 Feb 2020: 1 / ... / 5 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 5 / 6 / 6 / Mexico
    29 Feb 2020: 1 / 6 / 6 / 7 / 10 / 13 / 13 / 13 / Ecuador
    29 Feb 2020: 1 / 3 / 3 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8 / 8 / Qatar
    29 Feb 2020; 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 6 / 6 / 18 / 18 / Ireland
    29 Feb 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Armenia
    1 Mar 2020: 3 / 3 / 5 / 8 / 12 / 19 / 19 / Czech Republic
    1 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / Dominican Republic
    1 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 2 / Luxembourg
    2 Mar 2020: 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 4 / 4 / Indonesia
    2 Mar 2020: 2 / 4 / 5 / 8 / 13 / 20 / Portugal
    2 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Andorra
    2 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 5 / 5 / 5 / Saudi Arabia
    2 Mar 2020: 1 / 2 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 4 / Senegal
    2 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 2 / 2 / 2 / Morocco
    2 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Latvia
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 2 / 8 / 9 / Argentina
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Jordan
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 4 / 4 / 4 / Chile
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Ukraine
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Liechtenstein
    3 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Tunisia
    4 Mar 2020: 1 / 3 / 3 / 3 / Saint Barthelemy
    4 Mar 2020: 2 / 2 / 2 / 4 / Hungary
    4 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Faroe Islands
    4 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / 1 / Gibraltar
    4 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 5 / 5 / Poland
    5 Mar 2020: 4 / 22 / 22 / Palestine [West Bank]
    5 Mar 2020: 2 / 7 / 7 / Slovenia
    5 Mar 2020: 2 / 3 / 3 / Bosnia & Herzegovina
    5 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / South Africa
    5 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / 1 / Costa Rica
    6 Mar 2020: 5 / 5 / French Guiana
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 2 / Martinique
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Cameroon
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Slovakia
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Peru
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Togo
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Vatican City
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Colombia
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Bhutan
    6 Mar 2020: 1 / 1 / Serbia
    7 Mar 2020: 3 / Malta
    7 Mar 2020: 1 / Paraguay
    4 Feb 2020: 10 / ... / 705 / 705 / 706 / 706 / 696 / 696 / 696 / Others (Diamond Princess)

    Total number of reported deaths: 3592
    Deaths outside mainland China: 495 [including 6 from the Diamond Princess]

    Italy: 233
    Iran: 145
    South Korea: 50
    USA: 17
    France: 11
    Spain: 10
    Diamond Princess: 6
    Japan: 6
    Iraq: 4
    Hong Kong: 2
    UK: 2
    Australia: 2
    Philippines: 1
    Taiwan: 1
    Thailand: 1
    San Marino: 1
    Switzerland: 1
    Netherlands: 1
    Argentina: 1

    Data sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, and DXY
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Bioweapons Expert Speaks Out About Novel Coronavirus
    by Dr. Joseph Mercola
    March 08, 2020
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a..._rid=825476408



    "STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    Francis Boyle, who for decades has advocated against the development and use of bioweapons, suspects COVID-19 is a weaponized pathogen that escaped from Wuhan City’s Biosafety Level 4 facility, which was specifically set up to research coronaviruses and SARS
    According to Boyle, the COVID-19 virus is a chimera. It includes SARS, an already weaponized coronavirus, along with HIV genetic material and possibly flu virus. It also has gain of function properties that allow it to spread a greater distance than normal
    The incubation period for COVID-19 infection is still unknown, but estimates range from 14 days to 30 days
    The U.S. government spent $100 billion on biological warfare programs since September 11, 2011, up until October 2015
    While there have so far only been a limited number of reported cases of COVID-19 infection in the U.S., the U.S. military has designated several detention sites around the country to quarantine Americans, should the situation take a turn for the worse
    As you know, a novel coronavirus (initially labeled 2019-nCOV before being renamed COVID-19 by the World Health Organization1) originating in Wuhan City, Hubei Province in China, is rapidly spreading across the world.

    The first case was reported in Wuhan on December 21, 2019. Symptoms include fever, shortness of breath, severe cough and pneumonia which, in more severe cases, can lead to impaired kidney and liver function and kidney failure.2,3

    On January 21, 2020, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the first U.S. case4 — a patient in Washington state who had recently visited Wuhan. Then, the first U.S. death was reported February 29, 2020, in Washington state.5

    Less than a week later, CBS News reported March 5, 2020, that the number of deaths had quickly risen to 11 nationwide in the U.S. — 10 in Washington state and one in California.6 Not only that, but as of that day, “The World Health Organization urged governments around the world to pull out ‘all the stops’” to fight the outbreak. On the up side, China “appeared to be over the worst” of it, CBS said.

    All told, as of March 5, 2020, there were 98,067 reported cases of novel coronavirus infections affecting 88 countries, 80,430 of which were in China. Worldometer.info provides an easy overview of confirmed cases and deaths that you can check for the latest statistics.7

    COVID-19 — A Weaponized Coronavirus?
    In this interview, Francis Boyle — whose background includes an undergraduate degree from the University of Chicago, a juris doctor (lawyer) degree from Harvard and a Ph.D. in political science — shares his theory of the origin of this novel coronavirus.

    For decades, he's advocated against the development and use of bioweapons, which he suspects COVID-19 is. In fact, Boyle was the one who called for biowarfare legislation at the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972, and the one who drafted the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, which was passed unanimously by both houses of Congress and signed into law by George Bush, Sr.

    At the time of this recording, February 14, 2020, more than 50,000 people in China had been infected with the virus. Certainly, it does not originate from infected bat soup.

    As a result of Boyle's antibiological warfare work, which goes back to the early days of the Reagan administration — a time in which they were using DNA genetic engineering to manufacture biological weapons — Boyle has carefully followed "mysterious outbreaks of disease in both humans and animals around the world" that have appeared since then.

    "My biowarfare antiterrorism act was specifically designed to not only to deal with regular biological weapons but also with DNA genetic engineering for biological weapons that was just coming into its infancy when the BWC was being drafted.

    Even though the BWC would cover DNA genetic engineering, I wanted to make it clear by name that it was covered. I also made it clear [that] it covered synthetic biology as well," Boyle says.

    "So, when these unexplained mysterious illnesses break out, I monitor them a while and usually I just conclude they can be explained by normal reasons: lack of sanitation, poverty, things of that nature. But in Wuhan it seemed pretty suspicious to me.

    There is this Biosafety Level 4 facility there in Wuhan. It's the first in China, and it was specifically set up to deal with the coronavirus and SARS. SARS is basically a weaponized version of the coronavirus.

    There have been leaks before of SARS out of this facility, and indeed the only reason for these BSL-4 facilities, based on my experience, is the research, development, testing and stockpiling of offensive biological weapons.

    For that reason, I stated my opinion: That this Wuhan coronavirus leaked out of that BSL-4 facility … maybe mid-November … and the Chinese government has been lying about it and covering up ever since."Many Unknowns Remain
    The first reported case of COVID-19 infection was December 1, 2019. Depending on the incubation period, which is still unknown, the initial lead, provided there was one, might have occurred anywhere in November. The official estimate is a 14-day incubation period, but a British health expert believes it's 24 days, and North Korean biological warfare experts believe it's 30 days, Boyle says.

    "As for Wuhan and Hubei Province, they're basically under martial law. There's no other word for it. If you read the statements by President Xi and his assistants, they've made it very clear they're at war here, and that is correct. They're at war with their own biological warfare agent.

    President Xi just fired the party apparatchiks in charge of this and has brought in trusted military personnel to handle it, as well as large numbers of PLA [People's Liberation Army] forces saying they're health care workers. They don't look like health care workers to me. So, as of now, that's my best reading of the situation."

    When asked about rumors the COVID-19 virus might have been stolen from a high-security laboratory in Winnipeg, Canada, Boyle says:

    "It could have been. I want to make it clear that, in my opinion they were already working on that at the Wuhan BSL-4 facility. They were working on a biological warfare weapon involving SARS, which is a coronavirus to begin with.

    We do know that Dr. [Yoshihiro] Kawaoka at the University of Wisconsin … resurrected the Spanish flu virus for the Pentagon, obviously for weapons purposes, and he specializes in mating the Spanish flu virus to all sorts of hideous biowarfare instrumentalities. And there was a record of him shipping his products to Winnipeg.

    Winnipeg is Canada's equivalent of our own Fort Detrick. It's a BSL-4 facility, and yes, they research, develop tests, manufacture and stockpile every type of hideous biological warfare weapon that we know of. So, some of this technology could have been stolen from Winnipeg. I don't know about that but, as I said, the Wuhan BSL-4 was already working on this to begin with.

    They had already developed SARS. SARS had leaked out two to three times before this, and it seems they were turbocharging SARS, which is what [COVID-19] looks to be. This is a brand-new generation of biowarfare weapons we haven't seen before.

    Its lethality goes from 15%, as estimated by Lancet, up to 17% to 18% by a British health official and even Chinese statistics. Its infectivity is 83%. It can infect maybe three to four people for every person infected.

    It has gain of function properties, which means it travels through air at least 6 or 7 feet, and … there are reports that even contaminated human feces give it off, that the human feces radiate off maybe 6 or 7 feet. So, we've never seen anything like this before in the history of biological warfare, at least in the public record.

    I want to make it clear: I have never worked for the United States government. I've never had a security clearance. I've never had access to any type of secret information.

    I just read what is in the public record and the scientific record and try to draw my own conclusions, and that's what I'm giving you today. I could change my opinion if people can provide me reputable scientific evidence to the contrary.

    Right now, I'm standing by my conclusion that it leaked out of the Wuhan BSL-4, the highest level of the Chinese government has known about it, they've been covering it up from the get-go, until they informed the WHO at the end of December."

    Despite Laws, Biowarfare Experimentation Is Alive and Well
    As noted by Boyle, the Wuhan lab is a designated WHO research lab, which may sound odd, considering these facilities specialize in developing and researching dangerous pathogens that can easily be turned into bioweapons.

    According to Boyle, we should not be surprised however, as "WHO is up to its eyeballs in this type of work and has been for quite some time." The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the drug industry also appear to have had their hand in many of the outbreaks of what appear to be weaponized viruses.

    "I won't go through the long history of big pharma getting involved in this. There's huge amounts of money here. I believe the West Africa Ebola pandemic originated out of the US BSL-4 facility in Sierra Leone, and [that] they were testing out a so-called vaccine that contained live Ebola and gave it to these poor people," Boyle says.

    "As for the CDC, it has been involved in every … BSL-4 biological warfare death science you could possibly imagine … It's a matter of public record that during the Reagan administration, the CDC and the American Type Culture Collection sent 40 shipments of weapons-grade biological warfare agents to Saddam Hussein in Iraq, in the hope and expectation that he would weaponize these agents and use them against Iran …

    Of course, the problem is that when that war was over … an order was given to U.S. military forces to blow up Saddam Hussein's biological warfare facilities, and that's not how you deal with biological warfare weapons …

    [It] contaminated our own troops, and that was a causative factor in the Gulf War Syndrome that … murdered about 11,000 U.S. troops and disabled about 100,000."

    According to Boyle, the U.S. government spent $100 billion on biological warfare programs since September 11, 2011, up until October 2015, which is no small sum. To put it into perspective, the U.S. spent $40 billion (assuming a constant dollar value) on the Manhattan Project, which developed the atomic bomb. Boyle also estimates the U.S. has some 13,000 life scientists working within the biowarfare industry.

    "Clearly, the Reagan administration, under the influence of its neoconservatives who definitely believe in biological weapons and ethnic-specific biological weapons (you can see that in the PNAC report), were engaged in the use of DNA genetic engineering for the purpose of manufacturing biological weapons.

    That is why I gave a Congressional briefing in Washington, D.C. in 1985. I was asked to do that by the Council for Responsible Genetics that I work with, which involves the leading life scientists in the world from MIT and Harvard.

    I spent seven years at Harvard. I have three degrees and I knew all these people. They asked me to serve as their lawyer and give this Congressional briefing. I blew the whistle, and then they asked me to draft the implementing legislation, which I did …

    I want to make it clear I'm not here to speak in their name, I'm only speaking in my name, but if you look at my book, 'Biological Warfare and Terrorism,' professor Jonathan King wrote the foreword. So, I have the leading MIT professor of molecular biology supporting what I'm saying, if you don't think I know enough science about it."

    US Prepares for COVID-19 Pandemic
    While there have so far only been a limited number of reported cases of COVID-19 infection in the U.S., the U.S. military has designated several detention sites around the country to quarantine Americans,8 should the situation take a turn for the worse.

    Historically speaking, however, government health officials have been vastly exaggerating the threat of pandemics in the U.S., including the bird flu, the swine flu, anthrax and Ebola.

    For example, as detailed in my 2009 New York Times bestseller "The Great Bird Flu Hoax," then-President George Bush Jr. projected 2 million Americans would die from bird flu; the best-case scenario taking only 200,000 lives. The final death count in the U.S. from that pandemic was zero.

    It generated massive profits, though, as U.S. taxpayer dollars were used to purchase 20 million doses of Tamiflu. One of the people who was able to line his pockets from that hoax was defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who was president of Gilead Sciences when the drug was created.

    "[The bird flu] was another DNA, genetically engineered biological warfare weapon," Boyle notes. "It was a chimera. It had three different elements in it and we were all lucky that somehow they attenuated the lethality and the infectiveness of the bird flu."

    Whether or not COVID-19 will be similarly ineffective in its spread and lethality remains to be seen. Judging by the statistics in China, "it doesn't look very good," Boyle says.

    Understanding the COVID-19 Virus
    According to Boyle, the COVID-19 virus is a chimera, like the avian flu virus before it. It includes SARS, an already weaponized coronavirus, along with HIV genetic material. "That was in a published article by Indian scientists. You could see the pictures right there, [but] political pressure was brought to bear upon them so they withdrew [the paper]."

    This is why some scientists are now looking into using HIV drugs to treat it,9 Boyle says. COVID-19 may also have a flu virus mixed in, along with gain of function properties that allow it to spread a greater distance than normal.

    Pandemics Repeatedly Used to Further Police State
    Pandemics have also been used to chip away public freedoms. For example, the anthrax scare of 2001 was used as the impetus for signing the Patriot Act, which was the first step in taking away many of our personal freedoms and rolling out a complete surveillance state. To me, such outcomes are far more concerning than the risk of infection itself. Boyle adds:

    "They used Amerithrax to ram the Patriot Act through, that is correct … We became a police state … And as I pointed out in 'Biowarfare and Terrorism,' I think the same people who were behind the 9/11 terrorist attack were also behind the Amerithrax, but I'm just connecting dots there …

    What's called Amerithrax came out of a U.S. government biological warfare weapons lab and program, and I publicly blew the whistle on that the first weekend of November 2001.

    The Council for Responsible Genetics was having its convention at Harvard Business School and I was chairing a panel with King and other experts on biological warfare, on U.S. biological warfare programs.

    As I was walking into the Harvard Divinity School, Fox TV had a camera crew there and I said, 'Obviously, this came out a U.S. biological weapons program and probably Fort Detrick.'

    I conducted the session and made the same comment. Then I made a comment to a Washington, D.C., radio station to that effect [and to] the BBC, so everyone in the world heard me.

    At that point, someone gave an order that I was never to be interviewed again by any mainstream news about biological warfare programs. And that's been the case since the first week of November 2001."

    As noted by Boyle, George Orwell's book, "1984," has become reality. Boyle has since lectured lawyers at DePaul Law School in Chicago about the totalitarian nature of the Patriot Act.

    "Snowden has correctly pointed out the federal government is spying on everything we say, all of our electronic communications, you name it," Boyle says.

    "And again, the proof is I've been completely blackballed out of U.S. media. Indeed, if you go back and look at the Amerithrax attacks, they also hit mainstream U.S. media to make it clear to them that if they covered this issue they will be killed too."

    Bioweapons Are Developed To Be Used
    As noted by Boyle, the U.S. government has a large stockpile of Amerithrax — a super weapons-grade nanotechnology anthrax with 1 trillion spores per gram — and that's just the tip of the iceberg of the biological weapons developed. What's more, Boyle has no doubt these weapons will eventually be put to use, as they have in the past. He says:

    "There was a tabletop exercise at John Hopkins University last fall … on coronavirus.10 Tabletop exercise, that's a euphemism for a war game. Their estimate was that it killed 65 million people11 …

    John Hopkins is up to their eyeballs in this Nazi biological warfare dirty work. They have a BSL-3 facility there … that they proudly announce on their website … They justify it by saying they're developing vaccines. OK … How do they do that?

    They go out around the world, and this is a matter of public record, and scour for every type of hideous disease, fungus, virus and bacteria you can possibly imagine. They then bring it back to these BSL-4 labs and develop an offensive, biological agent using DNA genetic engineering and synthetic biology … set up by the Pentagon under DARPA …

    Once they have this offensive agent, they then proceed to develop a vaccine, because the agent is no good unless you can have a vaccine to protect your own people.

    So, they're developing vaccines to have biological weapons, because a biological weapon consists of two elements: the offensive biological warfare agent in the first place, and then, second, a vaccine to protect your own people, and that is what is being done at all these BSL-4 facilities, and many of the BSL-3s as well.

    John Hopkins has a BSL-3 and they admit they do dual use. That's what dual use means. They first develop the offensive biological warfare agent and then they develop the supposed vaccine."

    Indeed, Johns Hopkins University is the biggest recipient of research grants from federal agencies, including the National Institutes of Health, National Science Foundation and Department of Defense. It has also received millions of dollars in research grants from the Gates Foundation.12 In 2016, Johns Hopkins spent more than $2 billion on research projects, leading all U.S. universities in research spending for the 38th year in a row.13

    How Can We Best Prevent or Treat COVID-19 Infection?
    While it's unclear exactly which treatment is the most effective, my guess is that Dr. Paul Marik's intravenous vitamin C protocol for sepsis would be a good starting point, seeing how sepsis appears to be what kills those who succumb to a serious COVID-19 infection.

    Marik's retrospective before-after clinical study14,15 showed that giving patients IV vitamin C with hydrocortisone and vitamin B1 for two days reduced mortality from 40% to 8.5%. The precise protocol used was 200 mg of thiamine every 12 hours, 1,500 mg of ascorbic acid every six hours, and 50 mg of hydrocortisone every six hours.16 Importantly, the treatment has no side effects and is inexpensive, readily available and simple to administer.

    According to Marik, vitamin C and corticosteroids have a synergistic effect,17 which is part of why his combo protocol is so effective. Still, simply using high-dose IV vitamin C exclusively has been shown to improve survival in patients with sepsis and acute respiratory failure, reducing mortality from 46% to 30%.18

    It also reduced the number of days they needed to remain hospitalized. On average, those who received vitamin C had by Day 28 spent three fewer days in the intensive care unit than the placebo group (seven days compared to 10). By Day 60, the treatment group had also spent seven fewer days in the hospital overall —15 days compared to 22.19

    While there are no trials that look at integrating hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT), my suspicion is that this would provide a powerful synergy that could get the fatality rate from sepsis even closer to zero. Sadly, HBOT is not available at many hospitals, and even if it were, it is not approved for sepsis.

    You can learn more about Marik's sepsis protocol in "Vitamin C — A Game Changer in Treatment of Deadly Sepsis," along with commonsense recommendations for how to lower your risk of sepsis in the first place.https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...eath-rate.aspx

    You can also review Marik's PowerPoint presentation, "Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine for the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock," presented at the 2020 Critical Care Reviews meeting in Australia. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...eath-rate.aspx
    For COVID-19 at-home care advice from the WHO, please see "Novel Coronavirus — The Latest Pandemic Scare."
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Answer to post # 1477 above:

    Total number of reported deaths: 3592
    Deaths outside mainland China: 495 [including 6 from the Diamond Princess]

    Italy: 233
    Iran: 145
    South Korea: 50
    USA: 17
    France: 11
    Spain: 10
    Diamond Princess: 6
    Japan: 6
    Iraq: 4
    Hong Kong: 2
    UK: 2
    Australia: 2
    Philippines: 1
    Taiwan: 1
    Thailand: 1
    San Marino: 1
    Switzerland: 1
    Netherlands: 1
    Argentina: 1

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    Update Sunday evening: Italy 366 died, thats an 57% increase compared to yesterday.
    But also good news: 622 people confirmed cured today.

    Netherlands: 264 infected and 3 died, and 1 infected in my hometown.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Update Sunday evening: Italy 366 died, thats an 57% increase compared to yesterday.
    But also good news: 622 people confirmed cured today.
    With Italy, this may be the problem.

    There are 988 'closed' or 'completed' cases in Italy. All the rest are still 'active': i.e. they're still sick, severely or otherwise.

    In other words, 988 have either fully recovered or died. But 366 have died. That's a CFR (case fatality rate) of 37%.
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    Virologist Steven Hatfill (at 32 mins) is not in favor of lockdowns since the virus is uncontainable. He thinks past "a certain stage" there is more trouble than good. I think he is voicing the conscious strategy of the US government. There is an implication that the US is just hopelessly sunk as there has been no planning. The elderly will be triaged (expected to die). SO, this will solve problems of many kinds for the administration.

    IMO given the idea this is a PLAN, The only down side will be the loss of healthcare providers IMO (down side for pragmatic psychopaths). Th wildcard IMO will be the general UNhealth of the youth. There is chronic underlying dis ease in half of the youth. How will this heavily vaccinated/medicated cohort withstand the virus and/or treatment and ANOTHER vaccine. Everyone is so gung ho for vaccines and I just can never BELIEVE this idea from what I understand about the immune system.

    As it may be clear or not, IMO vaccines have been the number one antithesis to true health and the US has "benefitted" widely form the horror. What will it be like for kids here? Time will tell.



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