The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

[sllim11]

Posted by norman (here)
I will be thoroughly disgusted and heartbroken if we eventually find out that this global lockdown didn't actually include executive jets and 'special people'.

hey norman. i'm in los angeles and know a few different people, just through knowing parents at my kids school, that are indeed taking their private planes places. one family going to montana where they have a ranch. the others are similar situations.

i have no idea if they can fly out of the country though?

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson's update for today. He reports a new study that indicates that over 50% of cases are asymptomatic — NOT a good thing (they're fine, of course, but they spread it everywhere) — and after that, a significant amount of the video analyzes a new report that seems might be influencing many governments' [lack of] decisions. It's complicated, and worth watching and following carefully.

Two of the take-aways are: (these are my own words)

1. If lockdowns are implemented too early, then because they have to be lifted sometime, if the timing is wrong the virus will just continue to spread having merely been put on pause.
2. The decision governments have to make is to identify the least-worst scenario: i.e. deciding on an "acceptable number of deaths". The healthcare systems will be overwhelmed anyway.

In the last segment of the video, Chris has quite a few unkind (but utterly warranted) words about the global financial system and the iniquity of bailouts for fat cats. (Again, my words, but his feelings are clear.) Go, Chris.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tmhsNdW24BM

[rgray222]

I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir. Paterson told the outlet that it seemed reasonable to call the drugs “a treatment or a cure … It’s a potentially effective treatment. Patients would end up with no viable coronavirus in their system at all after the end of therapy.”

Paterson, who also works as an infectious disease physician at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital, said one of the drugs, given to some of the first victims of COVID-19 in Australia, resulted in the “disappearance of the virus” and complete recovery.

“Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of skepticism,” said Paterson. “That first wave of Chinese patients we had (in Australia), they all did very, very well when they were treated with the HIV drug. That’s reassuring … that we’re onto something really good here.”

“What we want to do at the moment is a large clinical trial across Australia, looking at 50 hospitals, and what we’re going to compare is one drug, versus another drug, versus the combination of the two drugs,” said Paterson, adding there is a “long experience of them being very well tolerated” and no unexpected side effects.

“We’re not on a flat foot, we can sort of move ahead very rapidly with enrolling Australians in this trial,” he said. “It’s the question we all have – we know it’s coming now, what is the best way to treat it? We want to give Australians the absolute best treatment rather than just someone’s guesses or someone’s anecdotal experiences from a few people.”

Lopinavir/ritonavir, the anti-HIV drug being tested, is most commonly sold under the name Kaletra. It is an antiviral medication which can be taken twice a day by people infected with HIV in order to reduce levels of the virus circulating in the body. Regular use of the medication is intended to stop HIV progressing to AIDS, which is fatal, and may also reduce the risk of people transmitting the infection to others.

It is a type of drug called a protease inhibitor, which works by stopping viruses from using an enzyme called protease, which is vital for them to be able to spread. Without protease viruses cannot make the fully-matured clones that they need to be able to infect other healthy cells, so the infection can’t spread … Kaletra is approved for use in the U.S., Europe and Australia.
Of Chloroquine, The Daily Mail added, “It has also been found to be able to destroy viruses, and scientists found in lab tests that it could be effective against the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). It is already widely used as an antimalarial for travelers and is also approved in the UK for use on people with rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.”

Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/austr...SfeJyfP0dLFGjk

[Franny]

Regarding protease inhibitors:

Posted by rgray222 (here)
I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Lopinavir/ritonavir, the anti-HIV drug being tested, is most commonly sold under the name Kaletra. It is an antiviral medication which can be taken twice a day by people infected with HIV in order to reduce levels of the virus circulating in the body. Regular use of the medication is intended to stop HIV progressing to AIDS, which is fatal, and may also reduce the risk of people transmitting the infection to others.

It is a type of drug called a protease inhibitor, which works by stopping viruses from using an enzyme called protease, which is vital for them to be able to spread. Without protease viruses cannot make the fully-matured clones that they need to be able to infect other healthy cells, so the infection can’t spread … Kaletra is approved for use in the U.S., Europe and Australia.

Of Chloroquine, The Daily Mail added, “It has also been found to be able to destroy viruses, and scientists found in lab tests that it could be effective against the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). It is already widely used as an antimalarial for travelers and is also approved in the UK for use on people with rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.”

Source: https://www.dailywire.com/news/austr...SfeJyfP0dLFGjk

For those who are at home and may be interested in a more natural approach a little research reveals a few choices, as well as pineapple and papaya.

Soybeans and Other Legumes

Legumes, and especially soybeans, are an abundant source of natural protease inhibitors, according to the book "Pathology for the Health Professions" by Dr. Ivan Damjanov 1⭐

Some research suggests that protease inhibitors found in soybeans may play a role in soy's anti-cancer properties, according to Damjanov, and may help protect against certain cancers such as breast and colon. The particular protease inhibitor found in soy, called Bowman-Birk, appears to help prevent tumor formation, according to "Pathology for the Health Professions".

Potato Tubers

Another natural source of protease inhibitors is the potato, according to a review published in the June 2009 issue of the International Journal of Molecular Sciences 2⭐

International Journal of Molecular Sciences: Protease Inhibitors From Plants With Antimicrobial Activity

. The authors of the review write that protease inhibitors from potatoes are shown to suppress tumor growth in clinical research settings. In addition, potato protease inhibitors suppress a hormone responsible for stimulating appetite. For this reason, the authors state that potato protease inhibitors may be useful at suppressing appetite. More research is needed to understand how well it works, however.

Green Tea

Antioxidant compounds in green tea called catechins produce protease-inhibiting activity, according to a study published in the April 2003 edition of the journal Antiviral Research 3⭐

The major catechin in green tea is epigallocatechin gallate, or EGCG. The protease-inhibiting activity of green tea catechins is also reportedly involved in green tea's anti-cancer benefits, according to the authors. The natural protease inhibitors in green tea may suppress infection by other pathogens, such as the flu virus and the adenovirus 3⭐

These pathogens commonly cause respiratory infection in children.

Blue-Green Algae

Though more common in Asian cuisine than American, blue-green algae is a nutrient-dense food and supplement. In addition to its vitamin and mineral content, blue-green algae contains protease inhibitors, according to the October 2008 issue of the journal Microbiology and Biotechnology 4⭐

In fact, according to the authors, blue-green algae is a rich source of highly potent protease inhibitors. The authors confirm that protease inhibitors have potential anti-cancer benefits, as cancer cells are more sensitive to the suppression of protein than normal cells.

The Wrap Up
Protease inhibitors disable enzymes that microbes such as bacteria, viruses and fungi need to flourish. For this reason, natural and synthetic protease inhibitors are used to prevent and treat certain conditions and diseases. Some research suggests that protease inhibitors found in soybeans may play a role in soy's anti-cancer properties, according to Damjanov, and may help protect against certain cancers such as breast and colon. For this reason, the authors state that potato protease inhibitors may be useful at suppressing appetite. Antioxidant compounds in green tea called catechins produce protease-inhibiting activity, according to a study published in the April 2003 edition of the journal Antiviral Research. **

Also see:

Curcumin blocks HIV protease inhibitor ritonavir-induced vascular dysfunction in porcine coronary arteries.

[Ben]

Posted by Wind (here)
Coronavirus: What Has It Revealed? | Russell Brand

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1sbp5oyVh4

So, so spot on.
I've been listening to Russell brand's podcasts lately an, and they're full of great insight and with great minds.
After watching this video, his standing has increased so much more in my mind.
Acceptance, good will, and compassion for one another is the key right now.

I feel this is the mass awakening event we've all been waiting for.
Embrace it with love.

The end of (sick society) times was never going to be painless.
Love to all, we can create a better world out of all this madness, if we work together.
We are all the embodiment of infinite potential, so let's use that unique ability.
It's time to reimagine our shared reality for the better.

The people who need our love most in these times, are the very ones who are responsible for this nulti-faceted mess we now find ourselves in. Ml
Again, love to all.

[Ben]

Posted by IChingUChing (here)
In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

I appreciate the horror of what the implications of what you are relating are.
It seems to me, that reactions such as this, are a display of the different stages of grief that people are going through.
Once acceptance is reached, folk will be in a place of calm compassion, from which they will be able to be of help to others.
The truth is indeed outing.

[Ben]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9394891.html

Coronavirus’s economic danger is exponentially greater than its health risks to the public. If the virus does directly affect your life, it is most likely to be through stopping you going to work, forcing your employer to make you redundant, or bankrupting your business.

The trillions of dollars wiped from financial markets this week will be just the beginning, if our governments do not step in. And if President Trump continues to stumble in his handling of the situation, it may well affect his chances of re-election. Joe Biden in particular has identified Covid-19 as a weakness for Trump, promising “steady, reassuring” leadership during America’s hour of need.

Worldwide, Covid-19 has killed 4,389 with 31 US deaths as of today. But it will economically cripple millions, especially since the epidemic has formed a perfect storm with stock market crashes, an oil war between Russia and Saudi Arabia, and the spilling over of an actual war in Syria into another potential migrant crisis.

We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck; and startups and growing businesses like mine could end up paying the price.

Just as important as fighting the virus — if not more important — is vaccinating our economies against the incoming pandemic of panic. Human suffering can come in the form of illness and death. But it can also be experienced as not being able to pay the bills or losing your home.

Small businesses in particular are struggling as supply chains dry up, leaving them without products or essential materials. Factory closures in China have led to a record low in the country’s Purchasing Manager’s Index which measures manufacturing output. China is the world’s largest exporter and is responsible for a third of global manufacturing, so China’s problem is everyone’s problem — even in the midst of a trade war between the White House and Beijing.

All this makes it even more worrying that governments continue to see this as a health crisis, not an economic one. It is time the economists took over from the doctors, before the real pandemic spreads.

It is difficult to imagine Italy not entering a recession (the world’s ninth largest economy is now on lockdown). It is also difficult to imagine that failing to affect Europe and its largest trading partner, the United States. And it is impossible to see how any of this will not add up to a global downturn, unless governments step in faster and harder than they did 12 years ago during the last financial crisis.

The stakes are higher this time, because there seems to be a coordinated effort to economically hurt many Western countries, and warn them away from the aggressive trade policies that Trump has so enthusiastically adopted.

Although China bore the brunt of the virus’s economic and human cost, many in Beijing will see a silver lining in the weakening of the US economy, and a distraction from Trump’s trade wars that appeared to be escalating with no end in sight.

Almost perfectly synchronized with the coronavirus, a Russia-Saudi oil war has erupted. In the short-term, both Moscow and Riyadh can afford the 30 per cent overnight drop in the oil price. But America’s shale gas business cannot: The more expensive process of fracking means that much of the US oil sector will simply not exist if oil prices stay at historic lows, leading to shut downs, job losses and perhaps even state-level recessions.

President Trump has pushed through overdue payroll tax cuts and help for hourly workers — measures that will help both employers and employees survive. In the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak today unveiled a ‘Coronavirus Budget’. But everyone needs to think bigger if they want to properly deal with how this new factor changes the status quo.

This is about much more than coronavirus, oil prices, or even the global economy. This is about the balance of power between East and West. The epicenter of this has been, for the last 10 years, Syria. After a decade of conflict on the ground, the face-off seems to have now escalated from proxy war to economic conflict.

The emerging superpowers of Russia and China witnessed what many saw as American irrelevance in Syria. And they are now trying to cement their vision of a truly multi-polar world. Rather than allowing US ally Saudi Arabia to lead the oil markets through the OPEC cartel, Russia and China want to reshape global markets — and power balances — to their advantage.

To survive these shifts, the US, UK and others will need to protect the future of their businesses, large and small, and look for opportunities to benefit from the new economic world order, not deny it. Ignoring these changes will be even more damaging than any flu pandemic.

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I just noticed Pam's post, two above this one, of Tucker Carlson. He is essentially saying the same thing - we are heading for an economic disaster much worse than the epidemiological once, if we put our planet in shutdown.

Creative bartering looks like being the only way forward.

[iamofopenmind]

Just received an email off a friend with some interesting insights, make of it what you will:-

COVID-19 Why we are right to be scared, and what we can do about it. A thread that I first posted on Twitter, replicated here.

Who the hell am I? I’m a former Army officer who runs a charity these days, and isn’t a scientist.




I’ve an Environmental Sciences BSc sure, but not ‘an expert’ virologist, epidemiologist, or human factors guy. But - I do speak the language, and I am an expert on where the right answers lie.

From 2000 on I trained at Porton Down to specialise in chemical, biological & radiological warfare, deploying in support of UK interests around the world. Christmas 2000 on the Iraq border commanding manned biological detection systems, and things got really busy in 2001.

I started 2001 tracking the virology of F&M in the fields of Cumbria and Devon, but by end of the year I was in Kabul, dealing with some extraordinary challenges, including unsecured Russian Cobalt-60 sources, and Anthrax veterinary vaccine production facilities.

By 03 I was a Major, Chief of Staff to Dep Comd of the Iraq Survey Group. The bloke showing Dr David Kelly around Baghdad days before he returned to face enquiry. I’m not a blind government fanboy. Let's say I learnt the dangers of conflating politics & science the hard way.

I was on the staff at Porton Down, working on a host of projects including planning for military aid to civil authorities, incl pandemics.
So, COVID-19
Scary, isn’t it? I think so too.
There’s also an abundance of information out there, and you’ve questions.
I’ve an answer.

The teams behind the Chief Scientific Advisor are extraordinary.
They are genuinely the world leaders in their fields, and they are ridiculously good at their jobs.
They aren’t googling the answers, or parroting a line that they just heard from a pushy presenter on TV.

The plans for this stuff are incredibly comprehensive, and help a government to act decisively, and at the right time.
So much in response is about timing – and too soon can be more dangerous than too late.
Look at the second (winter) wave of Spanish flu (graph from CDC)

That long game is what they - the experts are considering now.
Pictures of smiling Chinese people removing masks are propaganda, not science. That’s designed to cause an emotional response, and not in your interests
Success of early containment can only be judged in years.

We – in the UK, right now, are doing incredibly well.
We’ll protect our vulnerable best by responding promptly when the time is right, and the people who hold that responsibility deserve our trust and our support.

That takes guts. I know that. Now, more than ever.

Government scientists, advisors and staff also have families, elderly relatives, the immunocompromised.
They aren’t automatons, they feel that weight of responsibility.

Party politics simply doesn’t come into it. It just doesn’t.

So don’t pander to it, or point score.

If your knowledge of the subject of pandemic is such that to understand the history of Spanish Flu you need to google it, then your dissent, because you are scared, has only one place.

Your inner monologue. Keep it to yourself.

Be brave. Read up on the .gov advice.

This is even more important than if you have a following for reasons other than your epidemiological expertise, so, some simple advice:

Shut the f**k up, you are scaring people.

People like Piers might have a voice, but they’d kill us all if we listened to it. Mute them.

Lastly, don’t feel bad about being scared. I’ve been scared, many times, don’t mind admitting it.

Turn off and mute the noise of those who seek personal gain by instilling fear and doubt in others. Those that pander and promote the worst in us. Be Kind.

So, look after each other, particularly those who are less able and more at risk.
Look after yourselves, your own mental as well as your physical health.

Follow the science.

Wash your hands.

Lastly, I post this from a former colleague whose opinion I greatly respect. His observations echo my own:

My views on COVID-19...

I am trained as an epidemiologist and a communicable disease physician. I have also worked in predictive modelling in healthcare and in international health systems development. I am not, however, claiming to be an expert, but I would like to make an few observations...

1... it is unwise to draw parallels from one country to another. Many factors will be different from place to place, population age structure, population density, breadth of healthcare coverage, reliability and breadth of testing facilities, reliability and breadth of contact tracing capability, stage of spread when control measures were first introduced, population mobility, and many other things.

2... epidemic curves are a base case estimate and bear little comparison with real world spread. The more a disease spreads, the less reliable they become and the more complex a situation is, the less predictive they will be.

3... In the UK, the actual experts on this sort of thing are known as "Consultants in Communicable Disease Control". In other countries there are different arrangements. While others, such as intensive care specialists, microbiologists, virologist, mathematicians, journalists, acute physicians, behavioural psychologists have a contribution to make, they are not experts on disease spread in the community and should not be regarded (or present themselves) as such

4... Almost everything that I have seen on social media is misleading and inaccurate. Some of it is extremely dangerous. If you want high quality information, you can get it from the health ministry, public health authority or health system of the country you are in. If you don't want to rely solely on government information, look at the official statements from reputable health orientated universities and departments. London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Johns Hopkins and the TH Chan School of Public Health at Harvard are a good place to start. The World Health Organisation has good information, but it has to work in a range of very different countries and so may not be the most practically useful for a particular country.

5... we are not testing everybody in the world, so we can't reliably measure death rates. A simple totting up of the numbers will be a massive overestimate. In addition to this, the way people are tested varies massively from place to place. A low number of cases could mean not much disease or not enough testing.

6... There are only two meaningful strategies for managing an emerging infection. The first is containment, where you isolate cases and trace and test their contacts. If spread within a community becomes too great, this strategy becomes ineffective. The second strategy is herd immunity. The basis of this is that when a certain proportion of people have become immune to an infection, it can no longer spread and so people who are not immune are protected. This is why we vaccinate children. Part of a herd immunity strategy is to protect people at particular risk of harm until lots of low risk people are immune, so the disease can't spread to the vulnerable. A herd immunity strategy is not about culling the vulnerable, it is about protecting the vulnerable. This is a new infection and we are learning about it and our immune responses over time. Strategies will change and develop as knowledge grows

7... in many outbreaks, more people die (usually of things like heart attacks and strokes) because they can't get access to healthcare than die of the infection itself. It is extremely important to make sure that health services are not overwhelmed so that people can get the help they need.

8... there are three key ways we can protect health services. Firstly we need to ensure that, if we don't need to seek healthcare we stay away. Secondly, we "flatten the curve" to stretch out the number of people getting the infection over a longer time period, so they don't all arrive at hospital at the same time. Finally we need to ensure that we have enough people to staff our health and care services. If people can't get childcare, they may not be able to work, so we must be very cautious about closing schools etc.

9... nothing is simple and every action will have risks of negative consequences that we may not initially be aware of, so if something that is obvious to you is not happening, it doesn't necessarily mean that others are stupid or wicked, it is more likely that you are missing part of the picture...

10... social isolation can do a great deal of harm to people, particularly older people and the more vulnerable. As containment and delay measures increase it will be really important that our friends, families and neighbours are supported. If we all check in on those around us, no one will suffer unnecessarily. Now is a good time to start sharing phone numbers.

11... wash your hands

[graciousb]

I am already so nostalgic for three weeks ago. Never mind many years ago when things did not feel so dystopian.

In the blink of an eye, societies worldwide locked down, economic engines switched off, all due to a sudden, unpredictable pneumonia? This feels more like a guerilla war, previously hidden and now exposed.

We've been living in such a concocted, manipulated world where nothing at all can be taken at face value, where the ''authorities'' lie on the regular, rogue agencies with limitless power and answerable to no one act as the private armies of the true puppetmasters, and we're NOW supposed to believe these same entities are now on the up and up?! How can you blame anyone for being skeptical and wondering if this is some version of a ''deep fake'' in order to herd every last one of us into the corral.

We seem to have truly gone through the looking glass. I know the thing is real, I know it's serious, but if this is the ''new normal'', living isolated and locked down, unable to congregate or do any of the things that make life worth living... then I have to ask myself if the cure is not worse than the disease. And I also wonder if it's all truly as described, why are these soldiers deployed to Europe all cheek to jowl and no protective gear, masks etc ?

I'm not afraid to die or be ill, and and I know I signed up for this timeline, but still and all I resent the F out of feeling manipulated, programmed, and surveilled, and this is just too much. I'm taking the precautions in respect to protecting others, but as far as swallowing the narrative as presented, no sale here. There has yet to be a major narrative that ''they'' have drum beat that proved truly authentic. At the end the same people always win and flourish.

I will believe its a real democratic plague when I see any of the Davos/Bilderberg crowd start dropping. The Bushes/Cheneys, Gates, Soros/Clintons, Kissingers, the banking cartels et al. If they continue with their amazing longevity and good fortune, well then...

But I really miss three weeks ago.

[Olaf]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir.

(...)

The effect of Chloroquine against viruses is a very important finding.
Why?

Because Chloroquine is related to vitamin D!

See this image from
https://www.vitamindservice.de/chloroquin


The picture shows the chloroquine molecule in black with two rings and a side chain.
Vitamin D is shown in red.

The most important measure to protect yourself from Covid is high levels of vitamin D (>75 ng/ml).

Vitamin D only works if there is also enough vitamin A.
Here in Germany I always give my patients both in equal amounts, i.e. 10,000 IU vitamin A (as retinol / retinyl) per 10,000 IU vitamin D.
The body also needs magnesium so that it can store and convert vitamin D.

Protocol for raising vitamin D levels
Weight: 75 kg
Assumed start level: 20 ng / ml
Target level: 75 ng / ml
Note: Overdoses start at >150 ng / ml.

Refill phase:
40,000 IU of vitamin D + 40,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 14 days
or
80,000 IU of vitamin D + 80,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 7 days

Maintenance dose
thereafter only once a week: 35,000 IU vitamin D + 35,000 IU vitamin A

You can convert these amounts linearly to match other body weights.

Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.


Vitamin D + A also work against inflammation and are important for the brain.

update:
Dr. von Helden also developed an even stronger vitamin D + A protocol for people that already are infected with Covid-19. They should raise there levels up to the official stated maximum of 150 ng/ml.
see: https://www.vitamindservice.de/node/4324/

In my view infected people should also apply strong antioxidants like cistus tea, cysteine (if tolerable), vitamin C, curcumin, ginger and others.

[hohoemi]

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.

Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca


(full image)

Another interesting page with simulations, including the relevant types of "various percentages of the population stop moving outside": https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...68dcdcd3dd99fc

Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.

Posted by Tintin (here)
A quick question while I'm still lingering on Page 89 of this thread (but not as far behind the curve as Infowars at least as far as updates go):

Have there been to anyone's knowledge any reported cases in Iceland? Unless I'd missed an update - I don't think I have - they've been largely absent from statistics, so far.

From Bill: Yes, Iceland has 175 reported cases (including 14 more today) — the highest in the world in terms of number of cases per million population. (According to official figures, that is.)

Interesting tidbit about Iceland and Austria which I learned from an Austrian newspaper podcast, summarized from memory after listening yesterday: https://www.derstandard.at/story/200...opa-infizierte

When a group of tourists returned to Iceland from one ski-region in Austria at the beginning of March and 15 of them were infected with the corona virus, Iceland declared that place in Austria a highly dangerous zone for the virus and informed Austria of the problem. The relevant local government dragged its feet, doing some meetings about it for a few days without deciding on any measures, while officially declaring that it's extremely unlikely to get infected in that area. It was only days later, after the cases in the region kept exploding, that Austria itself declared the region as dangerous - in the meantime it and several similar regions are under quarantine, see image below.

[hohoemi]

There is now a 90-Minute test (info in German): https://www.derstandard.at/jetzt/liv...sponsive=false

No info whether this test is as reliable as the longer test, but given information from an official Austrian channel a few days ago about why quick tests aren't used since they are not sufficiently reliable, I'm assuming this one is good enough if it's used in Austria's main university hospital now.

Also info from a day ago from another city in Austria why the tests took such a long time there, independent of the fact of how long the test itself takes: The tests were always done in bulk, i.e. samples were collected until the machine could be filled completely, and only then the tests were run (twice per day). This info is from a doctor working there and who was himself a possible corona case and was waiting for the results. It might be obsolete again with the new tests / more corona cases to test so that the machine is filled more quickly.

[IChingUChing]

Posted by Olaf (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
I would not necessarily get your hopes up but it warrants keeping on eye on.

Australian Infectious Disease Expert: We May Have A ‘Cure’ For Coronavirus

According to infectious disease experts at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, they may have found a treatment that could possibly eliminate the coronavirus. “University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions wipe out the virus in test tubes,” News.com.au reported Monday.

The two medications Paterson referred to are Chloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and HIV-suppressing combination lopinavir/ritonavir.

(...)

The effect of Chloroquine against viruses is a very important finding.
Why?

Because Chloroquine is related to vitamin D!

See this image from
https://www.vitamindservice.de/chloroquin


The picture shows the chloroquine molecule in black with two rings and a side chain.
Vitamin D is shown in red.

The most important measure to protect yourself from Covid is high levels of vitamin D (>75 ng/ml).

Vitamin D only works if there is also enough vitamin A.
Here in Germany I always give my patients both in equal amounts, i.e. 10,000 IU vitamin A (as retinol / retinyl) per 10,000 IU vitamin D.
The body also needs magnesium so that it can store and convert vitamin D.

Protocol for raising vitamin D levels
Weight: 75 kg
Assumed start level: 20 ng / ml
Target level: 75 ng / ml
Note: Overdoses start at >150 ng / ml.

Refill phase:
40,000 IU of vitamin D + 40,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 14 days
or
80,000 IU of vitamin D + 80,000 IU of vitamin A daily for 7 days

Maintenance dose
thereafter only once a week: 35,000 IU vitamin D + 35,000 IU vitamin A

You can convert these amounts to other body weights.

Vitamin D + A also work against inflammation and are important for the brain.

Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!

[ExomatrixTV]

Lets say we have a list of Top 10 best cures without any bad side-effects against any Flu Virus ... How much money & effort (by governments & "concerned agencies") would it cost to promote that on ALL mainstream media outlets VERSUS total lock-down bankrupting most of the economy (and taking away our freedoms) plus all the "after effects" of many people losing jobs, mortgages etc. etc. meanwhile the banks get 1,5 Trillion Bailout (payed by who?).

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳 March 18th, 2020

[Iloveyou]

Posted by hohoemi (here)

Posted by Iloveyou (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Are you guys starting to see what I'm starting to see?

They are beginning to limit, by some new decree, groups of people gathering in public. I've seen some cities say FIFTY people, others, TWENTY FIVE. 25 people. Makes sense, right? Bars, restaurants. Arenas.

Austria: people are allowed to leave the house only alone or with their familiy members/housemates. No gatherings more than five. All shops closed except essential goods. Acces to those will most probably be restricted.
Additional side effect: people will be glued to their screens 24/7. If this will go on long enough, suicide rates will rise.

Leaving aside other less benevolent agendas possibly at play here, I think this is a sensible measure. I think this website was posted in this thread, with graphs of how lockdowns slow the spread of the virus . . .

. . . Not sure why it's so terrible to stay at home for a while, though my perception is probably skewed both by being an introvert who enjoys staying at home, as well as working in IT, which means that my working hours are as usual except done via home office.

Hi hohoemi! It‘s not the measures itself, that people have to stay home nor the self isolation which worries me. If I believed (and I guess believing, is all we can do atm, noone knows anything for sure imo) I‘d appreciate those measures all the more. But I personally am rather with the researchers on the ‚contrarian‘-thread.

What baffles me, is the fact that the governments can implement now whatever laws and measures they want and change them anytime, there‘s no limit. And it‘s just the beginning, moderatly, to get people used to it. If this goes on for months - I‘m quite sure it will - it will be devastating for all the small and for many medium-sized businesses. THEY lie through their teeth, more than ever.

And the measures seem to be coordinated worldwide, centralized, so quickly and unanimous. No different approach in different countries (except UK, still . . . ?) as one would probably expect.

The open and scary question for me remains: What happened to the people in Wuhan, Iran, Italy? What are they dying of (except age and medical preconditions) - when it‘s not because of the virus in the first place?

[Tintin]

Posted by IChingUChing (here)
In one of the hospitals in Cologne someone has stolen 50,000 face masks. I really can't believe how low some people can stoop!!! It makes me so angry, my wife is a doctor who will be treating corona patients and people are stealing the god damn safety gear for the staff!!!

In the the hospital where my wife works, face masks have even been stolen from out of the operating theatre and people are stealing the hand sanitizer from next to patients' beds.

In one of the newspapers in Germany they report that people are going around to old people's houses saying they want to do a corona test and then stealing from them.

I don't want to believe people can be such scum but I know it's an unfortunate fact. It also scares me to think that this is before things have really got bad.

That's mind bogglingly awful Your wife is one of those who is trying to do her very best, against the very worst human behaviour too, never mind the challenges that the battle against the virus presents as well.

Try not to be scared: do the best you can to rise above it and take as high a ground as you can mentally and spiritually. And you're among friends here too, as you know. Take some of our with you.

[Olaf]

Posted by IChingUChing (here)
Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!

Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.

Do NOT take magnesium sulfate.
1. It is a strong laxative - therefore it can cause deficiencies in electrolytes.
2. When possible take organic salts of trace elements, such as magnesiumorotate, -malate, -citrate - the body can absorb them much better.

[IChingUChing]

Many thanks Olaf and Tintin!!! Sending strength to everyone

[Delight]

Posted by Olaf (here)

Posted by IChingUChing (here)
Hi Olaf,

please can you clarify a bit. Is the "refill phase" the phase from the beginning?

I have magnesiumsulfat (ie Bittersalz in German, Epsom salts). How much should one take daily. I couldn't find dosage recommendations online.

Many thanks!

Start with refill phase to obtain an optimal vitamin D level in the shortest possible time.
When you have reached that level you only need the mainenance dose to stay at this level. That can be done with a single dose per week.

Do NOT take magnesium sulfate.
1. It is a strong laxative - therefore it can cause deficiencies in electrolytes.
2. When possible take organic salts of trace elements, such as magnesiumorotate, -malate, -citrate - the body can absorb them much better.

This is so appreciated!! Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?

[Olaf]

Posted by Delight (here)
Is it possible to use magnesium chloride internally? Can one use milk of magnesia?

See one post above: better use organic salts of magnesium.

You will need magnesium only, if you have magnesium deficiency.
That will show up in symptoms like leg cramps, when you take high dosis of vitamin D, because vitamin D needs and consumes magnesium - thus increasing a possible deficiency of magnesium.

The core message is: Use vitamin D + A!

Dr. von Helden also developed an even stronger vitamin D + A protocol for people that already are infected with Covid-19. They should raise there levels up to the official stated maximum of 150 ng/ml.
see: https://www.vitamindservice.de/node/4324/

In my view infected people should also apply strong antioxidants like cistus tea, cysteine (if tolerable), vitamin C, curcumin, ginger and others.