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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Notwithstanding the dreadful earnest of the situation, we interrupt this broadcast for some lighter, albeit still related news.









    The antidote for the virus has now also been released and will be available to the general public through the usual distribution channels...




    Unfortunately, this antidote will not be available to US Americans because of an incomprehensible anomaly...





    Regular broadcasting will now be resumed.
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    FRANK/ All very amusing! we all need to continue laughing

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    For those who may [understandably!] have missed it, I wrote in post #903 about the 2019 Military World Games , which were held in Wuhan on 18–27 October, 2019. 110 countries participated, all sending military athletic teams to Wuhan. Everyone would have been there for at least a couple weeks, moving freely around the city.
    interesting how this info match with the study from Italy, University of Milan - Post #1169

    Quote Through an epidemiological-molecular study of 52 virus genomes already sequenced, they concluded that the origin of the epidemic can be dated between the second half of October and the first half of November 2019. That is, a few weeks before the first cases of “mysterious pneumonia” in China.
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    I may have the virus. I cannot be sure , didn't get a test due to the weekend but had these symptoms. Dry Hacking cough . Headache, some mild chills, sweats, and a 102 fever.

    Tuesday night I went to a hockey game in Brooklyn and an asian woman sitting behind and above me, sneezed and caughed without protecting it . I was right below her and this disturbed me for sure.
    Thursday morning the symptoms began but I was all ready. I began colloidal silver 500 ppm 3 times a day, Elderberry and electrolyte in big bottle of water which I have been drinking everyday. Liposomal VIT C 400 mg 3 times a day with Grape complete. Oil of Oregano ,Anti V formula , Vit D 3 and Coltsfoot. and a few other things

    As of today Saturday afternoon, Im feeling back to normal, fever gone, cough subsided , no headache or chills. So Covid virus or not I feel my plan worked and got me back in several days.
    Monday I will see if I can confirm this. If so, this worked for me

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    As always, we keep watchful and examine all sides of the big picture with discernment and calm. Panic and Fear are killers.

    Quote "A top Chinese official visiting Wuhan has been heckled by residents who yelled “fake, fake, everything is fake” as she inspected the work of a neighbourhood committee charged with taking care of quarantined residents.

    Vice-premier Sun Chunlan, one of the most senior government officials to visit the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, toured a residential community in Wuhan’s Qingshan district on Thursday. According to state media, Sun was inspecting the operations of the neighbourhood committee, meant to make checks on residents each day and distribute necessities like medicine, food and fresh vegetables.

    Videos posted online showed Sun and a delegation walking along the grounds while residents appeared to shout from their apartment windows, “fake, fake,” “it’s all fake,” as well as “we protest”. Some could be heard yelling, “formalism,” a term that has employed frequently recently to criticise ineffective measures taken by government representatives for the sake of appearances."
    Video at link:
    'Fake, Fake': senior Chinese leader heckled by residents on visit to coronavirus city

    That along with this video, Former coronavirus patient says she feels fantastic
    have me becoming more suspicious...
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I may have the virus. I cannot be sure , didn't get a test due to the weekend but had these symptoms. Dry Hacking cough . Headache, some mild chills, sweats, and a 102 fever.
    It was probably just a cold, or possibly a psychosomatic reaction to your perception of the Asian woman who sneezed. The virus has an incubation time of one to several weeks before one starts showing any symptoms.

    We also have to be careful not to start stigmatizing Asian people, although I expect certain media to start doing exactly that. It's so easy to fall into that trap.
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    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)
    The virus has an incubation time of one to several weeks before one starts showing any symptoms.
    For information only!
    If you have the coronavirus, how long before symptoms show up?

    The incubation period for a virus is the time between catching the virus and showing symptoms of disease. For the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, health officials estimate an incubation period of between one and 14 days. Most people start showing symptoms about five days after becoming infected, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I may have the virus. I cannot be sure , didn't get a test due to the weekend but had these symptoms. Dry Hacking cough . Headache, some mild chills, sweats, and a 102 fever.

    Tuesday night I went to a hockey game in Brooklyn and an asian woman sitting behind and above me, sneezed and caughed without protecting it . I was right below her and this disturbed me for sure.
    Thursday morning the symptoms began but I was all ready. I began colloidal silver 500 ppm 3 times a day, Elderberry and electrolyte in big bottle of water which I have been drinking everyday. Liposomal VIT C 400 mg 3 times a day with Grape complete. Oil of Oregano ,Anti V formula , Vit D 3 and Coltsfoot. and a few other things

    As of today Saturday afternoon, Im feeling back to normal, fever gone, cough subsided , no headache or chills. So Covid virus or not I feel my plan worked and got me back in several days.
    Monday I will see if I can confirm this. If so, this worked for me
    Must admit that the idea that it was already in circulation heavily did cross my mind when I posted my flu experience here. I mean, seemed like everyone in my small town came down with this weird flu thing starting in December. Many still haven't shaken the cough, many treated for bronchitis and pneumonia. Yet no one was tested that I know of.
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    Vice President Pence is gaining outsized power to run the government during the coronavirus crisis, while Trump focuses on his preferred method of messaging.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...122626?covid_m
    By GABBY ORR and ANITA KUMAR
    03/06/2020
    A presidency of two for coronavirus: Trump hands his sidekick the job of a savior
    (EXECUTIONER IS MORE LIKE IT!!)

    "Donald Trump is finally securing the presidency he’s always wanted: He rallies the people. Mike Pence governs them.

    As Trump prepares to decamp to his oceanfront club in West Palm Beach this weekend, surrounded by GOP donors and top aides, the vice president will travel to Florida for a Saturday meeting with cruise ship operators about the rapidly evolving coronavirus crisis. The striking split-screen view that has played out this week and will continue in Florida — of a president dispensing questionable theories about the virus and prioritizing his 2020 campaign, while his hyperfocused deputy tackles a life-or-death problem of governance — has put a long-standing Trump practice in its starkest relief yet.

    It’s a price those in Trump’s orbit often pay for access to him and his devoted base: If they do the heavy lifting and allow him to take credit, they remain in his good graces.

    Trump’s own son Donald Trump Jr. once offered ex-Ohio Gov. John Kasich, then a top rival of his father’s in the 2016 GOP primary, a chance to become the most powerful vice president in U.S. history if he agreed to take the lead on domestic and foreign policy and let Trump handle the rest. Kasich declined the offer, opening the door for Pence to add his name to Trump’s ticket and face his turn taking charge of an unfortunate issue while the president handles the broad strokes messaging.

    That moment arrived last week. Trump entrusted his vice president with fighting coronavirus as head of the government’s coronavirus task force, then hit the campaign trail for rallies in the Carolinas and a rowdy speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in between.

    Trump abruptly canceled and then rescheduled a visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta Friday after the president revealed a false-alarm about a suspected coronavirus case at the CDC itself. During a tour of the facility, Trump heaped praise on CDC, disputing any concerns about the agency's response to the escalating crisis. A White House meeting with airline CEOs on Wednesday to discuss coronavirus prevention measures was the last coronavirus-related event on Trump’s schedule.

    Meanwhile, Pence canceled a string of campaign appearances in Minnesota, Wisconsin and North Carolina this week to tend to states that are grappling with multiple cases of the virus and reassure Americans the outbreak is under control.

    On Thursday, the vice president traveled to a Minneapolis business that manufactures N95 respirators, a type of face mask that can protect health care workers from coronavirus patients, and visit Washington state, where coronavirus deaths reached double digits this week, to meet with Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee and other local officials. Prior to departing the White House for a televised town hall in Pennsylvania, Trump spent his day tweeting more than a dozen times about 2020 Democrats, his approval rating, Super Tuesday results and so-called sanctuary cities.

    The side-by-side view was magnified by Pence’s daily updates from the White House briefing room, where he and a team of infectious disease experts and Cabinet personnel calmly responded to questions about containment efforts, test-kit availability and the overall threat of the virus.

    “Those of us paying attention saw two things on TV this week: Mike Pence doing his best to provide answers and reassurance, and Donald Trump sharing his ‘hunch’ about the severity of this virus,” said one person close to the White House, referring to a comment Trump made during a Wednesday night interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

    Other presidents have assigned plenty of thorny challenges to their vice presidents — such as foreign trips and task-force assignments — but few have been as critical domestic threats as the latest one.

    Pence allies insisted the two men are totally comfortable with each other’s roles, noting they speak several times a day and are both devoted to protecting Americans’ health and safety.

    Still, the vice president has made a habit of showering his boss with effusive praise during his task force updates, in addition to mentioning items he knows Trump pays attention to — suggesting Pence is keenly aware of the president’s sensitivities.

    “I’m going to stay focused on the task the president gave me — and I promise you it’s what the president is focused on — and that’s the health and safety of the American people. We had a big day on Wall Street yesterday. I think it set a record,” Pence told reporters on Tuesday.

    One former White House official said the vice president quickly learned that Trump responds well to flattery and now incorporates it nearly every time he speaks.

    “If you look at Pence’s remarks — and it doesn’t matter if he’s speaking on something big or small — one of the first things he always does is to highlight the president’s actions and the president’s leadership,” the official said.

    Much of the deference Pence has shown — on coronavirus, China, North American trade and other aspects of the president’s agenda that Trump has added to his portfolio — stems from an understanding that the president generally distrusts those around him, not including family members who work inside the West Wing.

    In many ways, Pence’s unflinching loyalty has been the glue that holds his relationship with Trump intact.

    When Trump was asked to name his closest friend in Washington during a Fox News town hall Thursday, for example, the only name he offered was Pence’s.

    “Well, I get along great with our vice president. I keep hearing I’m replacing him. … every day I hear, ‘He’s going to put this one and that one [on the 2020 ticket].’ But if I did that, it would be a great act of disloyalty,” Trump said.

    The confidence Trump maintains in Pence has also meant he trusts him to handle key issues and to conduct crisis management when things go awry.

    When the president abruptly announced a troop withdrawal from Syria last fall, causing the region to spiral into chaos, Pence was one of the first U.S. officials dispatched to Iraq to meet with the leader of the Kurdish region.

    On Wednesday, Pence was dispatched to Capitol Hill to assure lawmakers — some of whom have criticized the administration for being slow to respond to coronavirus — that the administration has the outbreak under control.

    “I am glad Vice President Pence was there to say, ‘I am taking control,’ surrounded by scientists and health care officials — that’s what you are supposed to do,” Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.) told CNN following the vice president’s visit.

    While Pence has taken the lead on the administration’s efforts to combat coronavirus, Trump has made a point to talk about the virus in less conventional ways — including on Twitter and in a phone interview with Hannity — all while his regular schedule continues. He promoted his economic and trade agenda at a gathering of Hispanic business groups on Wednesday and participated in the Fox News town hall in Scranton, Pa., the hometown of former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his chief 2020 rivals.

    When he arrives in Florida late Friday, Trump is expected to address members of the Republican National Committee’s finance team at the party’s spring meeting, according to a person familiar with the meeting. He will also headline a series of fundraisers throughout the weekend for his reelection effort, including a donor breakfast on Sunday with Sampat Shivangi, an Indian American physician from Mississippi who will serve as a delegate for Trump at the GOP convention in July.

    Pence is also expected to speak to the RNC Finance Committee, but a person familiar with the meeting schedule said the vice president may cancel or perhaps stop by but not speak.

    “The president has got his own mind,” said Hossein Khorram, a Trump Victory Finance committeeman, who will be in South Florida to attend events for those who have raised more than $100,000. “He doesn’t listen to what anyone else thinks.”

    Khorram, who lives in Washington state, where coronavirus deaths reached double digits this week, said Trump shouldn’t cancel his events because it wouldn’t make much of a difference to state and local governments who are the ones currently battling coronavirus: “They’re the ones really in charge.”

    But Trump has made minor adjustments to his upcoming travel plans. He was scheduled to speak at a huge global health technology conference in Orlando on Monday — but the event was canceled because of coronavirus concerns. (Trump remains scheduled to headline a fundraiser at the Orlando home of businessman Bob Dello Russo that day, according to a person familiar with his schedule.)

    The president will also travel to the Nashville, Tenn., area on Friday to meet with local officials following a series of deadly tornadoes that ravaged Music City and its suburbs earlier this week. Still, Trump is slated to spend three nights this weekend at his South Florida retreat, Mar-a-Lago, where he is known to socialize with club members and their guests and golf at his nearby club.

    Rob Stutzman, a Republican consultant who runs a firm in California, which is also being shaken by coronavirus cases, said Trump currently faces his own optics challenge as he campaigns across the country. Whereas Pence must avoid overshadowing the president, who is notoriously sensitive about his own brand, Trump can’t afford to appear lackadaisical in the midst of a public health crisis — much less, one that could have long-lasting effects on the U.S. economy and psyche.

    “A big part of his responsibility will be to ensure an effective public health response while mitigating damage to the economy. This is a difficult balance, but maintaining a normal schedule conveys the same to Americans and keeps the economy moving,” Stutzman said. “And for now … continuing with rallies and fundraising seems appropriate given the full tilt of the Democrat campaigns.”

    And throughout his term, Trump often has proved immune to threats that would’ve knocked down other presidents — as Trump himself likes to say with his resilient poll numbers.

    “The challenge with Trump is virtually nothing hurts him at all,” said Eric Dezenhall, a crisis management consultant who worked in the Reagan White House. “You can’t judge him the way you judge other presidents. He really can do whatever he wants.”

    Trump’s allies added that he doesn’t need to halt his schedule because he has received praise for putting Pence in charge. Though congressional Democrats and 2020 hopefuls criticized the move based on Pence’s handling of an HIV outbreak in Indiana during his time as governor, the president was commended for adding Ambassador-at-large Debbie Birx, a widely respected AIDS expert, to the coronavirus task force.

    “He’s getting marks over the last few days,” said a Republican who speaks to the president. “If you tell everyone to keep a normal life then he should keep a normal life.” "
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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE (real time updater)

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

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    COVID-19

    311 cases - 14 deaths

    Flu the last 5 months -

    45 million cases - 46,000 deaths

    source CDC / Johns Hopkins
    Sammy, Hi there — can you keep on asking (or trying to find out) what Qanon's stance is about Covid-19? I don't want to press the question too much myself. (And this isn't the thread to discuss Qanon anyway!)

    Given the amount of incompetence about this in the US (no other word!), and a genuine threat to Trump's credibility, whatever one might think of him, this would seem a pretty important issue. It could bring down the US economy, not to say the presidency. And if this was a movie, things could get even worse than that if the military starts to impose quarantine zones. There are no easy decisions to make.

    Eventually, the CDC will distribute more test kits. (So much for the million kits they said would be made available last week!) When those results are published at last, there'll be widespread alarm as the numbers reveal themselves to be far greater than most people thought. And then, as I said earlier, the panic buying really will start.

    This is a really critical phase for the US. If it's not handled right, it's going to be very hard to climb out the deep hole that's been dug. To what extent this is deliberate or just a mass-attack of irresponsibility, it's hard to say. As each new day comes, it's increasingly difficult not to suspect there's some agenda here.

    Again, if this was a movie, we'd be about a third of the way into it, near the end of the first act. And the audience would already be primed to wonder who the bad guys really might be, and how the film will end.




    I couldn't agree more that the US is totally mishandling this. I found this info on the Washington state Covid 19 site:

    Quote Testing for CoVid-19: Access to timely testing for COVID-19 is still severely limited but is improving day by day. The Washington State Public Health Lab is running at maximum capacity and has a backlog of 3 days or longer for test results. The test that confirmed Jefferson County’s first resident with COVID-19 was performed on a specimen submitted on Monday, March 2. On March 5, the University of Washington Laboratory began testing for COVID-19 and has the ability to perform a much higher volume of tests than the Public Health Lab. Commercial laboratories are expected to have the capacity to perform this test sometime next week. Testing should not be done on people who have no symptoms of respiratory disease. The test is only useful in evaluation of suspect COVID-19 illness.
    It seems if you are one of the rare ones to get tested your test will wait 3 days before processing the test begins. This is in the state with the first cluster of the virus and that is the best they can do? I wonder where that 3.5 billion dollars (or more) that was allocated to this by the Federal government is going? Compare that with the South Korea drive by testing where results can be received the same day. The US had plenty of time to get ready for this. Something doesn't seem right.

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    FRANK/ IM NOT Stigmatizing an asian woman. Im relaying a fact. Do we need dance around facts? I didn't say I know I have the virus. However it carries all the symptoms. And also, I doubt its a a cold. At 66, I know what a cold is. Its possible its a random collection of things , such as playing hockey with a group of guys who may be infected. NOT STIGMITIZING HOCKEY PLAYERS AS WELL . And so a week ago could have gotten it in the locker room and I correlated it to the sneeze in my face

    if anything its a flu of some kind as now my entire chest region aches . will see on monday

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    A military aircraft crash in Tianjin on March 5 has not been reported in Chinese media. On the same day, flights from Shenzhen to Guangzhou were canceled due to public safety reasons.

    In all region of China, small business owners are demonstrating a waiver of rent and refund of their security deposit.

    China has been a big fan of the development of the Wuhan pneumonia vaccine.

    In the meantime, Yunnan province is wrongly forcing students and parents to take Chinese medicine in large pots.

    The U.S. Department of Justice has created a Department of Nationality Deprivation that puts even more pressure on international student spies and businessmen of China.
    For free society!

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    What great timing! CDC Concedes In Federal Court It Does NOT Have Studies to Support Its Claim "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"
    See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1339559
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    What great timing! CDC Concedes In Federal Court It Does NOT Have Studies to Support Its Claim "Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"
    See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1339559
    That's okay. All other countries do.
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    With genuine respect for anyone who sincerely doubts that this is a serious and rapidly escalating problem, I'd gently suggest this might be very important viewing for all Americans.

    Maybe everyone! It might even be useful to play it through twice.

    I'm closing down now for the evening here, but I'll write more tomorrow. Most of what Chris Martenson presents (and also engineer Liz Specht), I've also already shared myself over the last few weeks.


    Zero Hedge also reported on this earlier today.
    For reference, below is Liz Specht's Twitter feed. Do read it all (29 parts), though Chris Martenson goes through every word.

    She's a PhD in biology and is Associate Director of Science and Technology for the Good Food Institute. Her math is correct. Her assumptions may not all be; but as she rightly points out, in an exponential growth situation that actually doesn't matter much.

    https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status...95180459003909


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    Quote THE INTERVIEW (google translate)
    Coronavirus: «We are also creating intensive therapies in the corridors»
    The alarm of the coordinator of the crisis unit of the Lombardy Region Antonio Pesenti: «On March 26th in Lombardy we will have 18,000 sick, 3,000 will need respiratory assistance»

    «By now we are forced to create intensive therapies in the corridor, in the operating rooms, in the recovery rooms. We gutted entire hospital wards to make room for the seriously ill. One of the best healthcare in the world, the Lombard one, is one step away from collapse ».

    Antonio Pesenti , 68, is the coordinator of the Lombardy Region Crisis Unit for intensive care. Publicly praised by the scientist Alberto Mantovani as one of the best Italian men of science, he is a physician-resuscitator with strong nerves, accustomed to governing any type of emergency. But at nine on Saturday evening, after 17 days of non-stop work, his voice is broken by tiredness and worry: "If the population does not understand that they must stay at home , the situation will become catastrophic."

    She, together with her colleagues in the reanimations, is the author of a very harsh letter to the government of Giuseppe Conte: "The scientific projections are very alarming". What do you mean by that?
    «The picture is of such gravity as to require an increase in resuscitation places up to ten times the current availability. The number of hospitalized patients expected on March 26 is 18 thousand Lombard patients, of which between 2,700 and 3,200 will require hospitalization in intensive care. Today there are already over a thousand patients between those in resuscitation and those who risk getting worse from one minute to the next. We monitor the situation 24 hours a day ».

    In the letter he speaks of risks not only for coronavirus patients, but also for everyone else: "In danger there is the survival not only of Covid-19 patients - you write -, but also of that part of the population that in any case addresses the health system ».
    «So far in Lombardy ambulances have always arrived in 8 minutes, now they risk not arriving within an hour. A huge danger for those who have a heart attack, and not only ».

    In short, Lombardy's emergency-urgency system is no longer able to guarantee ordinary standards.
    «Unfortunately, it is the truth. I am not saying this to alarm citizens, but to make everyone understand that it is not the time to go out, to go shopping or to go and drink the spritz, as we have been saying for days now. Social relations must be changed, with the shops and neighborhood markets closed. In Milan, where I live, at least so far there have been too many people needlessly around. You only have to go out to buy food . "

    The beds in intensive care units increase day by day, but they are never enough.
    «We are creating Covid-19 blocks everywhere. By now all the main hospitals in Lombardy have been involved, at least fifty. As known, infected patients cannot be mixed with others. It means having resuscitations where everything happens with particular protection systems: from the filtered air to doctors and nurses who always dress and undress in the presence of another person to check that the procedures are correct because a minimal distraction is enough to become infected ».

    In what conditions are you working?
    «We work harnesses to protect ourselves from the virus. After 4 hours we are sweating soaked, the movements are slowed down and we have to get out of the resuscitation to hydrate ourselves. We are doing everything we can, and even more, but the contagions must be stopped. The only way is prevention. "

    In one of the last meetings with the ICU doctors there were those who failed to hold back tears.
    «By profession we are used to dealing with any situation in cold blood. But only those who are living in the front line can understand the drama of the events ».

    Is it likely to think of transporting seriously ill people to the rest of Italy?
    «They are very complex patients to move. Both for their physical conditions and for the protections that must be taken to not infect us. I see it difficult. "

    March 7, 2020 (change March 8, 2020 | 00:58)
    In the US, this will probably be happening also....



    They suggest in BC that people refrain form cruise ship travel. They unfortunately keep referencing "If you are sick" to stay away form "care facilities" but we know asymptomatic spread MUST be happening as there are so many people who developed serious illness with no known contact with sick people.

    They also don't suggest that people refrain form big gathering except if "sick". Dr. Henry is quite emotional here during presentation. She is probably thinking of her parents.

    Quote Adrian Dix, Minister of Health and Dr. Bonnie Henry, B.C. Provincial Health Officer, shared an update on the novel coronavirus outbreak in a Vancouver press conference on Saturday.

    B.C. has reported six new cases of COVID-19.

    Dix and Henry stressed the importance of protecting vulnerable populations from the virus, especially the elderly.
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    This post was locked on reddit... has great resources IMO

    Quote Natural approaches to prevent or ease coronavirus symptoms
    Medical Conflict
    I've decided to write this post to try to be of some help to whoever may need to protect himself from this new virus or to ease it if you've already caught it and you cannot afford conventional healthcare, or you want to complement it (or you just aren't covered by any insurance). Nothing here might be considered to be a cure or a proved treatment, but, even so, there's science behind it and studies, some of them just published a few days ago, and some others were investigated in the past SARS and MERS outbreaks and can be applicable now because of similarities between them.

    In cases like this, it's usual to re-investigate some drugs that have been proven successful in treating similar viruses and reutilize them for the newly discovered one, because they often share common targets that can be addressed. If this process fails to find a good candidate, a research is done using previously known substances, that can be thousands, both natural and man-made, to look for the more promising ones and, then, try them, first in vitro and later in animals and humans.

    The trial with some old pharmaceutical antivirals hasn't been particularly exciting, the flu ones have failed to work (like Oseltamivir), but some designed for an Ebola trial and for the first SARS seem to work well, like Remdesivir. The problem is that they either aren't yet available or that they'll be prohibitively expensive in some countries.

    The good news is that some natural (or natural derived) ones have been especially effective, with Chloroquine being the big winner of the round. Chloroquine is derived from the Cinchona tree, and has been used to treat malaria, autoimmune conditions... It's very difficult to compare the usefulness of two drugs being so early, but, at this time, it's at the same level as antivirals and it has been tried in at least 280 persons, obtaining very good results.

    One key matter regarding this substance is that it seems that the new Covid-19 kills many people by something called Cytokine Storm, that's basically an hyper-reaction of the immune system that makes you collapse in a similar way that an anaphylactic reaction does. This is where the Cholorquine comes in, changing the way that some cellular organelles, called lysosomes, work, keeping them from doing such widespread damage. Apart from it, the substance has good antiviral effects on its own.

    Additionally, an investigation has been done comparing tridimensional structures of some of the viral targets, in a theoretical way at first, and a few natural candidates have been found for further testing, some of them have behind an ancient usage by traditional medicines that support their possible utility.

    (see https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...999?via%3Dihub )

    I'm going to mention just some of them:

    One of them is Andrographis and its active principles, called Andrographolides. It has been used to treat pneumonia, tonsillitis, colds, parasites, autoimmune conditions, ulcerative colitis... from ancient times.

    I can personally attest that it works very well in airway viral infections, even in moderately serious ones, especially if you take it before 48h after starting with symptoms. It has immune-modulating, antibacterial and antiviral properties.



    Silybin, derived from Milk Thistle, is a hepatoprotective substance that has been proved useful for treating cancer, drug toxicity, hepatic viral infections...

    Hesperidin. It is a flavonoid extracted from citrus plants. It has been found to interact with the ACE2 receptor in the lungs, which the virus needs to access human cells, staying "in the middle" and preventing it from entering inside. It's normally used to help with circulatory problems.

    Scutellaria plant (skullcap), and one of its component called Baicalin. This is another one that I've seen "in action" and it's very effective as an anti-inflammatory.

    Rosemarinic acid, from Rosemary and Salvia Miltiorrhiza.

    Polygonum Cuspidatum. This is a usual source of Resveratrol, a very known antioxidant and antiaging substance. But I'm not sure if this is the active component in Polygonum, it may be its anthraquinones the ones responsible for this benefit.

    Glycyrrhizin, found in large quantities in Licorice. This one is very effective as an antiviral and it also inhibits HMGB1, which keeps the immune system from overreacting.

    Saikosaponin A, found in the Bupleurum plant, that is used, as an example, for hepatic problems, including viral infections.

    Personally, I'd also look at some other compounds, because of their renowned effects in chronic and acute viral illnesses:

    Isatis Indigotica ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115693 )

    Thymoquinone, from Black Cumin (Nigella Sativa) ( https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/19/5/1355 , https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933739/ )

    Coriolus Versicolor is a mushroom used to treat viral infections and cancer. It has one of the most studied natural molecules, called PSK or Polysaccharide K.

    Cordyceps. It is a fungus that has a compound called Cordycepin, an analogue of Adenosine, that interferes with viral replication.

    If I think about the most simple approach just to aim for some general prevention purpose, Zinc is widely accepted to help to fight viral infections and a herb called Astragalus is quite good at improving both adaptive and innate immune responses.

    Some good links:

    https://www.thestar.com.my/news/2020...ys-thai-doctor

    https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...ug-candidates/

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/

    7334968_New_insights_into_the_antiviral_effects_of _Chloroquine

    https://www.grovesnaturopathics.com....e-perspective/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4319845/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8546725/

    https://patents.google.com/patent/CN1165302C/en

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...43466614002427

    https://www.integrativetranslations....ry/coronavirus

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...11383520302999

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...rus_infections

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115693

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...irus_infection

    https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/417...a-coronavirus/

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...rus_infections

    https://www.genengnews.com/a-lists/h...n-development/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00003-1

    https://f1000research.com/articles/9-72

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5389864/

    https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/114...stop-covid-19/

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-51571196

    https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...oroquine-data/

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    Unfortunately, retaliation would be so easy with the rest of the world purchasing so much stuff from China. I wish food processed in China were clearly identified, better yet, not imported. Unfortunately most of our pharmaceuticals come from China. I wonder if it can be tested before letting it in.
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