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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    It is noticeable how fast the news is now.. every few minutes there is a statement from somewhere re action taken by a particular country.
    This speed in itself and the nature of those actions hint at a monster on the loose. A lot of 'better safe than sorry' actions which are beginning to seem
    like desperate moves.

    Has anyone got an eye on traffic near to the underground bases? (just an interesting sidenote)

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    Well it was just announced about an hour ago that it’s now in my province here in Canada.....it’s one thing to know it’s coming and another when it’s here! Stay safe people.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Is a model evolving?
    Is the Problem > Reaction > Solution Agenda unfolding perfectly?

    If so, what's the BIG PICTURE? Is it just a test model?

    Vaccinations? Rapid Border control?

    Our data is monitored, collected and evaluated.
    Our identity is monitored 24/7
    With fitbits and phones, our health is monitored?

    Wht do you think is the apparent agenda (if there is one)?

    To convince the public to get VACCINATED and receive something as a solution or something else?

    What do you reckon?

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    Keep in mind that if a government is expecting a supply-lines crisis, they need to grab any available excuse to take a grip of control over the main arteries of society.

    Ask yourself, are they closing schools, declaring areas infected etc to stop a virus that's already out there almost everywhere and isn't killing an unusually high number of people, or are they getting their ducks lined up for a different crisis altogether.

    When all the "stuff" runs out.
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    I've enjoyed Karl Denninger's viewpoint since listening to his takes on the 2008 housing crisis. He seems to have much common sense, and asks some of the questions I wonder about, as far as testing, statistics, etc. Actually, even the flu statistics have always made me skeptical. How do we actually know how many people actually have and die of the flu each season? In all my years, with bouts of the flu here and then, I was never once actually tested.

    I would like to read more ACTUAL experiences from regular people reporting on who around them is symptomatic, or hospitalized, etc. And also, reports from actual health care workers and what they are seeing would be really helpful, I think, for us to get a pulse on what is happening.
    (just some ponderings).
    Here's Denninger's video from today:
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    Plague Doctors and pandanemics!

    Pandemics have come around again and again in history, I find it interesting to look at past aproaches.







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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Some details on how S Korea is responding to the outbreak, as Martenson has put it, The Gold Standard. The US seems to have little interest in learning from other countries with a successful response system in place, however.

    https://www.sott.net/article/430676-...virus-response

    What can the US learn from South Korea's coronavirus response?

    John Dale Grover
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    Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:11 UTC



    Drive-thru clinic
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    Drive-thru coronavirus screening clinic in Daegu, South Korea


    The World Health Organization just declared COVID-19, which is caused by the novel coronavirus, a global pandemic, warning, "There are now more than 118,000 cases in 114 countries, and 4,291 people have lost their lives." So far, Johns Hopkins University estimates that there are at least 1,050 cases in America, and that number is expected to grow. Meanwhile, South Korea has had 7,755 cases and yet has done a good job of handling the outbreak. How has Seoul been able to slow down the number of new cases?

    South Korea is a model to follow if countries want to avoid long-term locking down millions of people with the police and military, as China and Italy have done. To be fair, South Korea may still impose stricter quarantine measures as they run out of hospital beds in some areas. Yet, despite these huge problems, South Korea has been a relative success story by focusing on hot spots and asking people to remain at home voluntarily and avoid travel and large gatherings. In addition, anyone tested positive for COVID-19 who breaks quarantine will run afoul of South Korean law.

    These (mostly) voluntary social distancing measures have limited the spread of COVID-19, saving lives and largely preserving the democratic nature of the country. Further measures include quick and widespread testing, centralized and transparent test results, and a constant flow of crucial and clear public information. These are vital tools because it could take a year to get a vaccine that works and is fully distributed around the globe.

    Testing matters because, unless you know who's infected, you can't get them medical help or have them quarantine. Moreover, it also makes it harder to track down whoever they've interacted with who might also be infected and could spread COVID-19. Quick and mass testing is also necessary because often symptoms are mild and go unnoticed, especially for younger people. South Korea has tested over 200,000 people, an astounding number. In fact, Seoul is able to conduct between 10,000 and 20,000 tests every day. Additionally, they have 10-minute drive-through testing stations, and South Koreans get a text in the next 24 hours with the results.

    Unfortunately, the United States is behind.

    America was slow on developing a test, and severe shortages persist. This prevents the kind of easy, rapid, and mass testing needed to catch hot spots and mild (but transmittable) cases. In the U.S., only 4,384 people have been tested. This is because of three reasons:

    First, many of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention test kits were actually not working correctly.

    Second, the criteria for testing is very narrow, so multiple cases went undiagnosed until much later.

    Third, until recently, the government wasn't allowing other labs or private companies to make or use their own kits, resulting in fewer tests. One positive note, though, is that, although it is still hard to get kits where they are needed, according to the American Enterprise Institute, capacity is increasing and just reached 16,530 tests a day.

    Meanwhile, another problem is that there is no official, unified test data set on how many people have been tested or what the results are. Different organizations have their own records, and local and state governments do not even always keep track themselves. For instance, only 938 cases have been reported to the CDC. Compare those numbers to Johns Hopkins's estimate of 1,050 cases and the 985 cases tallied by the COVID-19 Tracking Project, two private endeavors trying to record every test, since no one else appears to be doing it.

    Without this important information, it will be harder for authorities and charities to coordinate responses or decide when to announce social distancing measures. Meanwhile, the Korean CDC has complete online data that is updated daily at midnight. The U.S.'s CDC is updating its site every weekday at noon, but this is still insufficient.

    Korea also constantly advises their people regarding ongoing containment and mitigation efforts, with national and local authorities holding daily briefings, posting information online, and even texting citizens about policy changes and what places to avoid. This kind of clear and transparent messaging, in addition to data and testing, gives people confidence that COVID-19 can be defeated. It also helps to counter stupid rumors or deliberate misinformation. As a result of all of this, people are more likely to follow social distancing recommendations and know what is going on. That also means fewer draconian measures and less panic.

    Bad or unclear messaging is a problem that America needs to resolve. In Italy, the lockdown has already caused confusion among some citizens over what to expect and what to do. Here in the U.S., there are already plenty of examples of sick people not knowing where to go and of healthcare providers uncertain of how to use scarce resources such as testing kits. Local, state, and federal leadership of both parties need to do a much better job of communicating what is happening and what people should do. If they can't get it right, they need to have someone else take the lead on public announcements. Finally, if folks cannot locate announcements and recommendations easily online or are unaware of local press briefings, there is a huge problem.

    South Korea learned its lessons the hard way over the past years with outbreaks of SARS and MERS. Now, America can learn from its own experience and from South Korea as COVID-19 spreads. The overall global death rate from COVID-19 is about 3%-4%, but Seoul has managed to bring that down to 0.7%. With the lives of the elderly and the most medically vulnerable on the line, that is something to which all of us should aspire.

    About the Author:
    John Dale Grover is an assistant managing editor at The National Interest and a Korean studies fellow at the Center for the National Interest.
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    Smartphones, Smart-TV, Routers/Modems, WiFi Hot Spots, Smart-meters, Bluetooth, Cordless Headset, Baby-phones, Wireless Security Camera's, Smart Fridge etc. etc. rapid increase of >> multiple << new Erratic Pulsed Microwave Transmitters everywhere (even from space) last years is a MAJOR factor that any (common) virus CAN become lethal to more and more people who are in the saturation densification zone of Microwaves!

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    How many know Iran launches own satellite Rasad-1 in 2011? Iran is NOT a "Third World Country" ffs.

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    Say hello to my lit-tle fren!



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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Keep in mind that if a government is expecting a supply-lines crisis, they need to grab any available excuse to take a grip of control over the main arteries of society.

    Ask yourself, are they closing schools, declaring areas infected etc to stop a virus that's already out there almost everywhere and isn't killing an unusually high number of people, or are they getting their ducks lined up for a different crisis altogether.

    When all the "stuff" runs out.
    Yup

    Looks like supply chain is screwed.


    I agree with Ice Age Farmer, that the quarantines will have a huge effect of food shortages

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    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    I've enjoyed Karl Denninger's viewpoint since listening to his takes on the 2008 housing crisis. He seems to have much common sense, and asks some of the questions I wonder about, as far as testing, statistics, etc. Actually, even the flu statistics have always made me skeptical. How do we actually know how many people actually have and die of the flu each season? In all my years, with bouts of the flu here and then, I was never once actually tested.

    I would like to read more ACTUAL experiences from regular people reporting on who around them is symptomatic, or hospitalized, etc. And also, reports from actual health care workers and what they are seeing would be really helpful, I think, for us to get a pulse on what is happening.
    (just some ponderings).
    Here's Denninger's video from today:
    My wife is a doctor here in Germany. Currently in the small hospital where she works in the countryside, there is only 1 corona patient. That patient can actually now go home and it wasn't a severe case.

    Our local doctor's surgery has been quarantined probably as it is suspected that the doctor is infected.

    I can update as things develop.

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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Plague Doctors and pandanemics!

    Pandemics have come around again and again in history, I find it interesting to look at past aproaches.


    I did note a connection between "crow" and latin Corvus, then Greek korōnē , and Koronis. Much symbolism in the Crow, Dorjezigzag... Wonder if anyone else picked up on that imagery during all this?
    Quote crown (n.)
    early 12c., coroune, croune, "royal crown, ornament for the head as a symbol of sovereignty," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne) and directly from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korōnē "anything curved, a kind of crown," according to Watkins from a suffixed form of PIE root *sker- (2) "to turn, bend."
    But Beekes considers the "crown" sense as derived from the formally identical Greek word korōnē "crow" (see raven), which, he says, was used metaphorically "of all kinds of curved or hook-formed objects." "Moreover," he writes, "the metaphorical use of [korōnē] 'crow' is nothing remarkable given the use of its cognates ...; the metaphors may have originated from the shape of the beak or the claws of the bird." Compare Latin corax "crow," also "a hooked engine of war," French corbeau "raven," also "cantilever;" English crowbar, etc.
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/crown

    Quote Crow
    The Crow is one of the animals sacred to Apollo and Hera. The crow has made appearances in some myths.

    Koroneis
    Koroneis, a princess of Phokis (in central Greece), daughter of Coroneus. Her beauty doomed her as she was pursued by Poseidon. Fleeing from the god she cried out to Athene for help and was transformed into a crow (koronis).

    A Tale of Betrayal
    Coronis, daughter of Phlegyas, King of the Lapiths, was one of Apollo's lovers. While Apollo was away, Coronis, already pregnant with Asclepius, fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A white crow which Apollo had left to guard her informed him of the affair and Apollo, enraged that the bird had not pecked out Ischys' eyes as soon as he approached Coronis, flung a curse upon it so furious that it scorched its feathers, which is why all crows are black.
    https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Crow

    Quote The name is derived from the Latin corvus meaning "raven". The type species is the common raven (Corvus corax); others named in the same work include the carrion crow (C. corone), the hooded crow (C. cornix), the rook (C. frugilegus), and the jackdaw (C. monedula).
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    Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
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    Quote crown (n.)
    early 12c., coroune, croune, "royal crown, ornament for the head as a symbol of sovereignty," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne) and directly from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korōnē "anything curved, a kind of crown," according to Watkins from a suffixed form of PIE root *sker- (2) "to turn, bend."
    But Beekes considers the "crown" sense as derived from the formally identical Greek word korōnē "crow" (see raven), which, he says, was used metaphorically "of all kinds of curved or hook-formed objects." "Moreover," he writes, "the metaphorical use of [korōnē] 'crow' is nothing remarkable given the use of its cognates ...; the metaphors may have originated from the shape of the beak or the claws of the bird." Compare Latin corax "crow," also "a hooked engine of war," French corbeau "raven," also "cantilever;" English crowbar, etc.
    Wow thanks for that Ayt, i dont know if you read my article but I also pointed this out about WHO

    Something else i have noticed in relation to the Latin meaning of corona, as I have already expressed corona is related to the aura of the sun, crowns and garlands. It is interesting to note that the symbol of WHO, an organisation who thus far have been utterly corrupt and inept in there handing of the virus is surrounded by a garland, a corona in latin.

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    Quote Posted by vizon (here)
    I am very disheartened by a number of my friends and family members...

    I started preparing for this outbreak back in mid January. I am now basically completely done preparing. I've got everything I need for a few months at home. Still, in my mind, this probably isn't enough. I just don't want to have to keep going out every few days to get groceries, etc (any exposing myself to possibly getting infected).

    Anyway, I live in the southeastern United States today I told a number of friends and family members that I am now always wearing an N100 mask and that I am fully stocked up on food, supplies, medicine, etc.

    My very good friend, who lives in New York City, absolutely crushed me with his response to what I was doing in preparation. First of all, he's 36 and lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian wars (in his backyard) and moved to the United States literally on 9/11. So, he's been through a lot. Anyway, he told me I was a typical dumbass American and that "hoarding" supplies and food is astronomically stupid. "Your a typical over-privileged white middle class American who has never been through a crisis in your life. I am not doing anything to prepare and I'm fine with it. If I die, I die."

    OK, that's fine. But, I grew up very poor (helping my mother walk up and down the neighboring roads looking for bottles to cash in for dinner everyday). My parents both lost their jobs at the same time in the early 1990s. My brother broke his neck the same exact day (almost ended up paralyzed). So, I have seen my own version of struggle. No, it wasn't a war. I didn't grow up in a war zone, but it was still an immense struggle. Luckily, through that struggle, I grew to absolutely love very basic food (spaghetti and sauce, etc, since we were so poor).

    Anyway, I feel very let down... I feel very bad about myself now because of these comments by my friend. I am actually very depressed about this. I feel like I am supposed to hate myself because I am white / middle class or something. My family struggled with money for close to a decade. Anyway... just venting here.

    I've prepped quite well. But when I started wearing my mask everyone started making fun of me... "Oh, you realize that only protects other people from getting infected BY YOU. It doesn't protect you from GETTING INFECTED. You know that right? You dumbass American."

    This makes no sense. If an N100 mask can protect from infecting others it surely can protect you from getting infected. Maybe not the eyes, but the nose and mouth at the very least.

    Anyway, I'm a bit heartbroken and sad right now that nobody I know is taking this seriously except for myself. I have 2 little kids and a wife that I am trying to keep safe. I am by no means rich. Sure, I am white but what does that have to do with anything?

    Would just love some words of support. I am really having a tough time with this reaction by my "friends"
    You shouldn't hate yourself. Some people think in polarized ways. They see pro-action as panic and weakness because they can't acknowledge the threat. I've learned to not fault people for this yet they can be frustrating to deal with. Their denial is a sign they're NOT as in control as their dismissive words and arrogance pretends. Their way of handling the fear is to deny and project it on to others. A lot of people are coping this way without realizing it.

    There's a wall of cognitive dissonance in some people that will not fall until maybe it hits them in a real way. In this way the virus has a silver lining as a karmic wake up for many people.

    You should feel good about preparing, and having a resolve that was capable of facing this potential crisis in a proactive way. Your preparation doesn't just help you and your circle. It helps others because you're not out panic buying today. You're not hoarding. You don't need to run around last minute and potentially get sick or get others sick.

    The healthier and more prepared you are, the less chance you'll need hospital care if the health care system gets swamped. So by being prepared you might be helping others who require those resources.

    You thought ahead, that's not selfish. Healthy self care and preparation is good for all.

    There are people who go overboard with prepping and there are people who have more than they'll ever need yet keep sequestering material things... That doesn't seem like you and probably isn't anyone on Avalon.

    If you just prepared you're a benefit to the world around you.

    This idea that we need to feel guilt about ourselves for nonsense reasons needs to end. I suggest you meet it with healthy self respect and anger, not sadness. Anger is not exactly a positive emotion yet it is more positive than sadness and guilt. It's proactive. The point isn't to be angry it's to have confidence in yourself.

    Not a victim, not a sleeper in the matrix waiting for stuff to happen to them and then react blindly-which creates chaos. You've chosen to approach this potential crisis as mindfully as you can.

    Be proud of that.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Well today was my cutoff date I gave my parents that they are not to leave their property anymore as this virus is now heading north out of the Detroit area towards were we live. They are 80 and 87,very active, they go to the store everyday.ive had several conversations with them and made it very clear that they cannot get this virus.it would be the death nail for them both.

    As I was driving home today I passed a pick up truck with a young man hanging out the passenger side with his head out the window,looked very sick and the temperature outside was 32 degrees.they were headed into the direction of the hospital.

    I just finished reading several posts of a high school friend of my wife on Facebook. HE is posting from northern Italy. His posts describing what's happening now around lombardy,the Chinese with all of their own problems just flew in 30 tons of medical supplies at no cost to the italians.god bless them.he stating that they are now stacking bodies in the churches as the incinerators can not keep up wither the amount of dead coming in. HE helped yesterday moving 250 bodies. Pictures of hospital.staff. sleeping everywhere exhausted even on the floor. HE described one hospital where the sick are going and they are doing video conferencing with their loved ones before they pass as no others are allowed to enter the hospital. It's very very sad.

    The hospitals in metro Detroit are now doing the same thing,only patients are being allowed to enter,all staff are in hazmat suits. Time to dig in here in the states ,we are. Some 2 to 3 months behind China for what's coming.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    From Sheryl Atkisson, updated 3/13, 1:12 p.m. . https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...AKR6z4.twitter

    (That 36 # of U.S. deaths should be around 50 now )


    Coronavirus is nothing to sneeze at. But so far, widespread panic may not be justified.

    You should know:

    Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.
    Most people who get coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.
    No young or middle-age people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.
    Most around the world diagnosed from January-March 1 have already recovered.

    Obviously, this is a fast-moving news target. For the latest information from the government, you can visit the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) coronavirus page at CDC.gov. The following information is accurate as of Thursday.
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    Q: What is the average American’s risk of getting coronavirus?

    A: Low. CDC reports: “For the majority of people, the immediate risk of being exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to be low.”

    Q: What’s the likelihood that coronavirus is in my community?

    A: Low. CDC reports: "There is not widespread circulation in most communities in the United States.”

    Q: How many coronavirus deaths have there been in the U.S.?

    A: So far, not many. CDC reports 36 deaths. Adding various news reports, the number could be about 40 and growing. Although one death is too many, the reported deaths are among 43 states (including the District of Columbia) reporting outbreaks since January in a population of more than 327 million people.

    Q: How many young people have died of coronavirus in the U.S.?

    A: So far, there are no reports of deaths among young people in the U.S. The U.S. Surgeon General reports the average age of people who have died from coronavirus in the U.S. is 80. Additionally, he says those who are most impacted have chronic, serious health problems such as heart disease, diabetes, and lung disease.

    Q: Who has died so far?

    A. These were compiled using CDC reports plus news and local health department reports:

    31 Washington State elderly. That includes 27 in King County, (22 at the same elderly nursing facility in Kirkland), three in Snohomish county, and one in Grant County, a patient in their 80s.
    Four California elderly: A woman in assisted living in her 90s, a hospitalized woman Santa Clara in her 60s, an “elderly man” in assisted living, and a 71-year-old man with underlying health conditions who’d been on a Grand Princess cruise ship.
    Two Florida residents in their 70s who had traveled overseas.
    One New Jersey diabetic man, 69, who suffered two cardiac arrests.
    One South Dakota man aged 60-69, with "underlying medical conditions”
    One Georgia man, 67, with “underlying medical conditions”

    Q: How many people have recovered?

    A: News reports say that in China alone, out of 80,000 diagnosed, nearly 60,000 have already recovered. However, the true number of recovered is likely far higher since most of those who get the virus have mild or no symptoms, and so are not diagnosed at all.

    Q: Why have there been so many coronavirus deaths in Italy?

    A: Italy has reported 827 coronavirus deaths. Experts say the high number is partly because Italy has more residents in the vulnerable age category. Italy has the oldest population in Europe and more elderly per capita than the U.S. Most of the Italian deaths are in patients in their 80s and 90s. In addition, Italy has a great number of direct China contacts. Italy was the first to join China’s “silk road” economic partnership project. The coronavirus is believed to have originated in China. Italy’s 827 deaths are out of a population of 60 million people. Even though one death is too many, it is still a small relative number.

    Q: Why am I hearing so many different fatality rates?

    A: Experts say all coronavirus death rates are nothing more than estimates at the moment. That’s because it is impossible to know how many people have or had the virus. And that total number is needed to calculate an accurate rate. What makes it more difficult is the fact that most people have few or no symptoms, and so it is impossible to count them.

    Some current death rates that sound high are being calculated in a particular age group. The rate will be highest among the elderly and, in the U.S., there have been zero deaths among people age 50 and under. Some death rates are being calculated as deaths among the sickest patients, those are diagnosed and treated, which will produce a much higher number than a more accurate death rate that takes into consideration those patients who are infected but do not become ill at all.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
    Dorjezigzag, I am so very happy you are back. We need the likes of you at this time. Hang around. This might very well be the time we all knew was coming.

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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Not really into the Trump bashing but kind of funny and true.
    Brought to you by the dumb-f***** demopublican, deep state, controller pussies.

    Ps. This type of crap is designed to get you to focus your frustrations on the wrong people and on the wrong issues.
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    Well today was my cutoff date I gave my parents that they are not to leave their property anymore as this virus is now heading north out of the Detroit area towards were we live. They are 80 and 87,very active, they go to the store everyday.ive had several conversations with them and made it very clear that they cannot get this virus.it would be the death nail for them both.

    As I was driving home today I passed a pick up truck with a young man hanging out the passenger side with his head out the window,looked very sick and the temperature outside was 32 degrees.they were headed into the direction of the hospital.

    I just finished reading several posts of a high school friend of my wife on Facebook. HE is posting from northern Italy. His posts describing what's happening now around lombardy,the Chinese with all of their own problems just flew in 30 tons of medical supplies at no cost to the italians.god bless them.he stating that they are now stacking bodies in the churches as the incinerators can not keep up wither the amount of dead coming in. HE helped yesterday moving 250 bodies. Pictures of hospital.staff. sleeping everywhere exhausted even on the floor. HE described one hospital where the sick are going and they are doing video conferencing with their loved ones before they pass as no others are allowed to enter the hospital. It's very very sad.

    The hospitals in metro Detroit are now doing the same thing,only patients are being allowed to enter,all staff are in hazmat suits. Time to dig in here in the states ,we are. Some 2 to 3 months behind China for what's coming.
    I find your care for your parent very refreshing. We need to care for our elders. I am mentally trying to figure out something that could be initiated to provide services for the very old. There should be no reason for them to be out and about.

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