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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Yesterday, Trump announced a $2.2 Trillion (with a T) emergency fund. Listen to the video if you're interested in what it will be allocated to but my first thought was, "This will be coming from the Fed', right?" : i.e. created out of thin air, but paid back with very tangible interest.
    It will be paid back as much as legislators and various local, state, and federal governments can get away with via taxation; the rest will be absorbed by inflation, e.g. that $5.00 loaf of bread you typically pick up for Sunday dinner will now cost $6.00

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here is an update from Idaho:

    As of March 26, 2020 there are 123 reported cases and 0 deaths in Idaho.

    There are 0 reported cases in the county in which I live. People and businesses appear to be following common sense precautions. There is no toilet paper on store shelves and a run on eggs and frozen veggies.

    The Idaho governor issued a Statewide Stay-Home Order yesterday.

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    .....putting my feet up and watching this.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    PSA Safe Grocery Shopping in COVID-19 Pandemic – UPDATED!!! https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps So I'm going to take this one step further beyond watching what you touch such as gas pump handles, handling money , ect.

    The one thing this guy forgot - YOUR SHOES ! 20 years ago I was flying to DC and sitting next to a guy who did deer hunts on an island here in Michigan . He said the one requirement he always had was that the guys that were coming over to the island hunting bring new hunting boots,why? He said if a hunter walks in an area anywhere in mainland Michigan where a deer had TB, just by walking thru that area if it gets on his boots it can stay on his boots for up to a year! He told me to put a pan of water and beach at the door to step into to disinfect if you are wearing boots that can take the liquid, . Heres an article below pertaining to your shoes that was just released. May be best to leave your shoes outside and spray them along with your hands after you handle your shoes before you touch your doorknob .

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...five-days.html

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I feel like this crisis is really highlighting what we've seen for a long time now. Who controls the Narrative controls the flow of events.

    (Not saying no one is getting sick. We should add this to the subtitle of this thread.)

    The CDC has their own intelligence service: "The scouts are the CDC’s little-known Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS). They create disinformation on a scale that must make the CIA jealous." https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...-trumps-blood/

    How much do news stories affect people's minds? Their immune systems? Their contentment? Their ability to make the right decisions? Does an encouraging story affect one differently? Who decides which stories go out about this thing? What makes them decide that?

    How do you feel after seeing certain movies? Drained? Uplifted? Hopeful? I'm not saying life is a movie. Only talking here about Narrative. Story Telling. And how the stories, the words in them, the way they're told, take effect and move in us as energetic forces.

    "Vitamin C, you can get it at the local druggist. It's fantastic now." Have you heard that on the news or in the papers?
    "You are HEALTHY and strong. No need to panic. Fear undermines the immune system." Anything like that?

    Narrative is very powerful. Think about when your lover tells you "I believe in you." Or, "You have disappointed me." There's something to learn here.

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    Ok..thanks for sharing that info...but my thread should have been merged into the treatment thread you share here and not this thread then don't you think?
    Quote Posted by Valley (here)
    I'm wondering why my I'm wondering why my previous thread was merged into this one?? My thread was specifically talking about treatments that would work on this Coronavirus and I think it deserves its own thread. I think it's a mistake the merge what I was doing into this thread here. Whose decision was that to remove my thread merge it into this thread?

    Mod note from Bill:
    if we have too many separate Covid threads, things just get confusing, and members don't know where best to post new information or ideas.


    We also already have this thread:


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    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    Heres an article below pertaining to your shoes that was just released. May be best to leave your shoes outside and spray them along with your hands after you handle your shoes before you touch your doorknob .

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...five-days.html
    Every medical device manufacturing cleanroom worth it's salt has at least one tacky-mat at the entrance to the gowning room, then another at the airlock door. Clif High (link below) has provided the best decontamination info than anyone I've seen on the web.

    How many people do you think will follow such stringent procedures as cleaning shoes, though? I wish I didn't have to ask that question. But not many have had to learn cleanroom procedure to earn a salary. Or use microscopes to see what's otherwise invisible. I've run into sooo much discog trying to explain to people how a virus is spread . . .
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    This guy has done his homework here..breaking down how weak this new virus really is..with a ton of references...
    Last edited by Valley; 26th March 2020 at 16:24. Reason: posted Wrong video
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    It's starting

    ‘Global Government’: British Former PM Calls For ‘Temporary’ World Government To Tackle Coronavirus

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...le-coronavirus
    Last edited by pacificator; 26th March 2020 at 16:28. Reason: update
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    I'm wondering why my I'm wondering why my previous thread was merged into this one?? My thread was specifically talking about treatments that would work on this Coronavirus and I think it deserves its own thread. I think it's a mistake the merge what I was doing into this thread here. Whose decision was that to remove my thread merge it into this thread?

    Mod note from Bill:
    if we have too many separate Covid threads, things just get confusing, and members don't know where best to post new information or ideas.


    We also already have this thread:
    Ok..thanks for sharing that info...but my thread should have been merged into the treatment thread you share here and not this thread then don't you think?
    Well, actually not really — because that thread's primarily about self-treatment using well-known supplements and other remedies which many members and guests have or have access to.

    Chloroquine is a drug only available on prescription, and isn't for ad hoc self-treatment. So it's really a strategic response to the global problem, being discussed politically and in the media.

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    David Icke is a guest on Infowars today, coming up soon and half past the next hour (1.30 pm US Eastern Time). Watch here:
    The video will be posted as soon as it's uploaded. I'm losing patience with Alex these days, who (a) often has bad information and (b) often doesn't seem to understand the good information he has. (He just announced that the UK had said "the epidemic is over", a 100% misinterpretation of what was actually stated. ) But I'll look forward to hearing David, who's focused, accurate, and in good form at the moment.
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    well, you in the UK are also doomed because you've got another blond in charge who messes everything up. best of luck

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Chloroquine is a drug only available on prescription, and isn't for ad hoc self-treatment. So it's really a strategic response to the global problem, being discussed politically and in the media.
    Until several days ago it was available as a fish tank cleaner. Now the word is out, that door has probably slammed shut, considering how much effort the MSM is putting into stopping it's use.
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    But I'll look forward to hearing David, who's focused, accurate, and in good form at the moment.
    Icke is all over youtube now, just put in his name and filter to this week/month. A little vindication, eh, for Mr. Icke? Thanks David, for your great lessons in the Totalitarian Backstep!

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    The world is heading toward an extremely dangerous situation. Disinformation and propagandas are all over the internet. I can sense a lot of anti-China sentiments in many posts in this thread. Imagine if China "happens to" be a victim of attack and it is doing a very good job in trying to contain the epidemic that may finally fail and millions killed (but still saved many). This can only be possible with the current system which is "authoritarian" in western standard. What about if in the Chinese internet lots and lots of rumours are circulating with the aim of destablizing the country? China bashing at the point of a serious global crisis will increase hostility between countries and races.
    Quote That is the main ingredient of the third world war.
    This is a very good point, and one that needs to emphasized.

    Beginning in early January when I first began following the rumors of a virus spreading in China, then throughout the next few months, I've learned a lot about China and Hong Kong. I came to appreciate the Chinese people in ways I hadn't before. I didn't say I appreciate the CCP, although I've given much thought to the difference between the political systems between all of our countries.

    There is too much culture bashing going on in both directions. Yet I feel certain that if there is a shooting war that it won't be the 'people' who start it or who wish to fight it. The Americans seem to be just as easily influenced by their so-called leaders to perpetrate that culture bashing than Chinese or any other nationality.

    It's ignorance that's the real enemy of humanity. Political systems have a vested interest in encouraging ignorance, however.

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    I'm wondering why my I'm wondering why my previous thread was merged into this one?? My thread was specifically talking about treatments that would work on this Coronavirus and I think it deserves its own thread. I think it's a mistake the merge what I was doing into this thread here. Whose decision was that to remove my thread merge it into this thread?

    Mod note from Bill:
    if we have too many separate Covid threads, things just get confusing, and members don't know where best to post new information or ideas.


    We also already have this thread:
    Ok..thanks for sharing that info...but my thread should have been merged into the treatment thread you share here and not this thread then don't you think?
    Well, actually not really — because that thread's primarily about self-treatment using well-known supplements and other remedies which many members and guests have or have access to.

    Chloroquine is a drug only available on prescription, and isn't for ad hoc self-treatment. So it's really a strategic response to the global problem, being discussed politically and in the media.
    Okay I checked on that treatment thread that you mentioned and I agree my thread didn't belong there ... but I still think you should have left it alone then with its own thread because hydroxychloroquine is a major Topic in the media by itself and deserves its own thread . Stuffing my thread about hydroxychloroquine into this thread causes it to get lost in the shuffle ... Many people that are searching for information on hydroxychloroquine on this site now will be hard pressed to find it jumbled inside this thread I think... But that's just my opinion..oh well.
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    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    Heres an article below pertaining to your shoes that was just released. May be best to leave your shoes outside and spray them along with your hands after you handle your shoes before you touch your doorknob .

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...five-days.html
    Every medical device manufacturing cleanroom worth it's salt has at least one tacky-mat at the entrance to the gowning room, then another at the airlock door. Clif High (link below) has provided the best decontamination info than anyone I've seen on the web.

    How many people do you think will follow such stringent procedures as cleaning shoes, though? I wish I didn't have to ask that question. But not many have had to learn cleanroom procedure to earn a salary. Or use microscopes to see what's otherwise invisible. I've run into sooo much discog trying to explain to people how a virus is spread . . .
    Does anybody know where to find the military manual referenced in Clif High's video?

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Watching the BBC News -- some of the miss information is beginning to be obvious -- well to some.
    Its blatant -- no mention of mortality rate being less than seasonal flu.
    No mention of some of the facts mentioned on this thread.
    Just basically continuing to promote fear.

    So what happens if people begin to realise that they have been misled?
    That their job was shut down unnecessarily

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    Ps they cant claim ignorance this is from a Government paper.
    I have highlighted the relevant.
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    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...-diseases-hcid



    High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)

    Guidance and information about high consequence infectious diseases and their management in England.
    Published 22 October 2018
    Last updated 21 March 2020 — see all updates

    From:
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    Contents

    Status of COVID-19
    Definition of HCID
    Classification of HCIDs
    List of high consequence infectious diseases
    HCIDs in the UK
    HCID risks by country
    Monthly summaries of global HCID events
    Infection prevention and control in healthcare settings
    Specialist advice for healthcare professionals
    Hospital management of confirmed HCID cases
    Travel health advice for HCIDs

    Status of COVID-19

    As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.


    The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

    The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

    The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

    Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios.
    Definition of HCID

    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    acute infectious disease
    typically has a high case-fatality rate
    may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    Classification of HCIDs

    HCIDs are further divided into contact and airborne groups:

    contact HCIDs are usually spread by direct contact with an infected patient or infected fluids, tissues and other materials, or by indirect contact with contaminated materials and fomites

    airborne HCIDs are spread by respiratory droplets or aerosol transmission, in addition to contact routes of transmission

    List of high consequence infectious diseases

    A list of HCIDs has been agreed by a joint Public Health England (PHE) and NHS England HCID Programme:
    Contact HCID Airborne HCID
    Argentine haemorrhagic fever (Junin virus) Andes virus infection (hantavirus)
    Bolivian haemorrhagic fever (Machupo virus) Avian influenza A H7N9 and H5N1
    Crimean Congo haemorrhagic fever (CCHF) Avian influenza A H5N6 and H7N7
    Ebola virus disease (EVD) Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
    Lassa fever Monkeypox
    Lujo virus disease Nipah virus infection
    Marburg virus disease (MVD) Pneumonic plague (Yersinia pestis)
    Severe fever with thrombocytopaenia syndrome (SFTS) Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)*

    *No cases reported since 2004, but SARS remains a notifiable disease under the International Health Regulations (2005), hence its inclusion here

    **Human to human transmission has not been described to date for avian influenza A(H5N6). Human to human transmission has been described for avian influenza A(H5N1), although this was not apparent until more than 30 human cases had been reported. Both A(H5N6) and A(H5N1) often cause severe illness and fatalities. Therefore, A(H5N6) has been included in the airborne HCID list despite not meeting all of the HCID criteria.

    The list of HCIDs will be kept under review and updated by PHE if new HCIDs emerge that are of relevance to the UK.
    HCIDs in the UK

    HCIDs, including viral haemorrhagic fevers (VHFs), are rare in the UK. When cases do occur, they tend to be sporadic and are typically associated with recent travel to an area where the infection is known to be endemic or where an outbreak is occurring. None of the HCIDs listed above are endemic in the UK, and the known animal reservoirs are not found in the UK.

    As of February 2020, 2019, the UK has experience of managing confirmed cases of Lassa fever, EVD, CCHF, MERS and monkeypox. The vast majority of these patients acquired their infections overseas, but rare incidents of secondary transmission of MERS and monkeypox have occurred in the UK.
    HCID risks by country

    For health professionals wishing to determine the HCID risk in any particular country, an A to Z list of countries and their respective HCID risk is available.

    See HCID country risks
    Monthly summaries of global HCID events

    PHE’s epidemic intelligence activities monitor global HCID events. These are published in a monthly summary.
    Infection prevention and control in healthcare settings

    Specific infection prevention and control (IPC) measures are required for suspected and confirmed HCID cases, in all healthcare settings (specialist and non-specialist).

    IPC guidance appropriate for suspected and confirmed cases of Lassa fever, EVD, CCHF, MVD, Lujo virus disease, Argentinian haemorrhagic fever, Bolivian haemorrhagic fever and SFTS, is available in the ACDP guidance.

    IPC guidance for MERS, avian influenza, Nipah virus infection, monkeypox and pneumonic plague, can be found in the relevant PHE guidance listed below.
    Links to relevant PHE guidance for healthcare professionals

    avian influenza

    MERS

    monkeypox

    Nipah virus infection

    plague

    VHF, including Ebola

    Specialist advice for healthcare professionals

    The Imported Fever Service (IFS) provides 24-hour, 7-days a week telephone access to expert clinical and microbiological advice. Hospital doctors across the UK can contact the IFS after discussion with the local microbiology, virology or infectious disease consultant.
    Hospital management of confirmed HCID cases

    Once an HCID has been confirmed by appropriate laboratory testing, cases in England should be transferred rapidly to a designated HCID Treatment Centre. Occasionally, highly probable cases may be moved to an HCID Treatment Centre before laboratory results are available.
    Contact HCIDs

    There are 2 principal Contact HCID Treatment Centres in England:

    the Royal Free London High Level Isolation Unit (HLIU)

    the Newcastle Royal Victoria Infirmary HLIU.

    Further support for managing confirmed contact HCID cases is provided by the Royal Liverpool Hospital and the Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield.
    Airborne HCIDs

    There are 4 interim Airborne HCID Treatment Centres in England. Adult and paediatric services are provided by 6 NHS Trusts:

    Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust (adult and paediatric services)
    Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust, with a paediatric service provided by Imperial College Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
    Royal Liverpool and Broadgreen University Hospitals NHS Trust, with a paediatric service provided by Alder Hey Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
    Newcastle upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust (adult and paediatric services)

    Case transfer arrangements

    Hospital clinicians seeking to transfer confirmed HCID cases, or discuss the transfer of highly probable HCID cases, should contact the NHS England EPRR Duty Officer. It is expected that each case will have been discussed with the Imported Fever Service before discussing transfer.
    Travel health advice for HCIDs

    The National Travel Health Network and Centre (NaTHNaC) provides travel health information about a number of HCIDs, for healthcare professionals and travellers. Advice can be accessed via the Travel Health Pro website.
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    On treatment of Covid19

    Quote Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko
    Board Certified Family Practitioner
    501 Rt 208, Monroe, NY 10950
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    March 23, 2020
    To all medical professionals around the world:
    My name is Dr. Zev Zelenko and I practice medicine in Monroe, NY. For the last 16 years, I
    have cared for approximately 75% of the adult population of Kiryas Joel, which is a very close
    knit community of approximately 35,000 people in which the infection spread rapidly and
    unchecked prior to the imposition of social distancing.
    As of today my team has tested approximately 200 people from this community for Covid-19,
    and 65% of the results have been positive. If extrapolated to the entire community, that means
    more than 20,000 people are infected at the present time. Of this group, I estimate that there are
    1500 patients who are in the high-risk category (i.e. >60, immunocompromised, comorbidities,
    etc).
    Given the urgency of the situation, I developed the following treatment protocol in the
    pre-hospital setting and have seen only positive results:
    1. Any patient with shortness of breath regardless of age is treated.
    2. Any patient in the high-risk category even with just mild symptoms is treated.
    3. Young, healthy and low risk patients even with symptoms are not treated (unless
    their circumstances change and they fall into category 1 or 2).
    My out-patient treatment regimen is as follows:
    1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
    2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
    3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
    The rationale for my treatment plan is as follows. I combined the data available from China and
    South Korea with the recent study published from France (sites available on request). We know
    that hydroxychloroquine helps Zinc enter the cell. We know that Zinc slows viral replication
    within the cell. Regarding the use of azithromycin, I postulate it prevents secondary bacterial
    infections. These three drugs are well known and usually well tolerated, hence the risk to the
    patient is low.
    Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another
    150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen.
    Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had
    ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of
    any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and
    diarrhea.
    In sum, my urgent recommendation is to initiate treatment in the outpatient setting as soon as
    possible in accordance with the above. Based on my direct experience, it prevents acute
    respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), prevents the need for hospitalization and saves lives.
    With much respect,
    Dr. Zev Zelenko
    cc: President Donald J. Trump; Mr. Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff

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