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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    From Business Insider about 8 hours ago an interesting update on the number of nations now openly tracing via smartphone, and the surveillance technology behind them.

    When you bury and hide your unused toilet paper make sure you leave your smartphone at home.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Mardi Gras was recent and large crowds congregated. Spring Break is happening now and large numbers of youth are gathering. If doubt makes people decide to ignore the evidence of Italy, it may blowback with a sickening breathless shock. I am very concerned that obesity (for one co-morbidity) is endemic where I live... not just a few pounds over but serious obesity. Where I live, there has been a slow response because all of the tourists support our economy. A third of the county is over 65. There is a hospital here with 5 ICU beds and NO VENTILATOR.

    Whatever the source of a TRUE ANOMALY, I just do NOT comprehend the continued insistence that this no different from flu. saying it is not real or just the flu is HONEST DISINFORMATION IMO. This promotes NO reason to voluntarily behave AS IF this is real.

    Tourists are everywhere here this weekend from Atlanta and Florida especially. No masks (OF COURSE there are no masks), (smaller than usual) crowds still shopping in the many places still open. Some places have stopped serving "in dining" and do carry out only. A well known hangout Chesters was said to be packed shoulder to shoulder Friday night.

    The Mayor and city council of Blue Ridge on Friday was very self justifying... that no tested cases have been observed here. This created a bit of back lash from long time residents who have seen the news that they HAVE seen. People without symptoms (yet or ever) are still curiously RIGHT THERE in others' "face" before a serious spike in deadly symptoms other places.

    Are all the doubters (who have not been FORCED by law) staying in and staying away from others? The phantom is creating a tide of damage to people and the best guess is to stop person to person spread. It has seemed to work. Who really wants a loved one gasping with no where to turn?

    Quote A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients
    “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy ****, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube.”

    by Lizzie Presser March 21
    As of Friday, Louisiana was reporting 479 confirmed cases of COVID-19, one of the highest numbers in the country. Ten people had died. The majority of cases are in New Orleans, which now has one confirmed case for every 1,000 residents. New Orleans had held Mardi Gras celebrations just two weeks before its first patient, with more than a million revelers on its streets.

    I spoke to a respiratory therapist there, whose job is to ensure that patients are breathing well. He works in a medium-sized city hospital’s intensive care unit. (We are withholding his name and employer, as he fears retaliation.) Before the virus came to New Orleans, his days were pretty relaxed, nebulizing patients with asthma, adjusting oxygen tubes that run through the nose or, in the most severe cases, setting up and managing ventilators. His patients were usually older, with chronic health conditions and bad lungs.

    Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.


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    His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”

    He spoke to me by phone on Thursday about why, exactly, he has been so alarmed. His account has been condensed and edited for clarity.

    “Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”

    This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people.

    “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

    They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.

    “We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”

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    The lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.

    “It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.

    “Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight. When you’re healthy, your lung is made up of little balloons. Like a tree is made out of a bunch of little leaves, the lung is made of little air sacs that are called the alveoli. When you breathe in, all of those little air sacs inflate, and they have capillaries in the walls, little blood vessels. The oxygen gets from the air in the lung into the blood so it can be carried around the body.

    “Typically with ARDS, the lungs become inflamed. It’s like inflammation anywhere: If you have a burn on your arm, the skin around it turns red from additional blood flow. The body is sending it additional nutrients to heal. The problem is, when that happens in your lungs, fluid and extra blood starts going to the lungs. Viruses can injure cells in the walls of the alveoli, so the fluid leaks into the alveoli. A telltale sign of ARDS in an X-ray is what’s called ‘ground glass opacity,’ like an old-fashioned ground glass privacy window in a shower. And lungs look that way because fluid is white on an X-ray, so the lung looks like white ground glass, or sometimes pure white, because the lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.”


    A screenshot of chest radiographs of a man suspected to have COVID-19. (Obtained by ProPublica via the Radiological Society of North America, cited in the paper “Severe Acute Respiratory Disease in a Huanan Seafood Market Worker: Images of an Early Casualty” by Lijuan Qian, Jie Yu and Heshui Shi.)
    This severity ... is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience ... or people who inhale caustic gas.

    “With our coronavirus patients, once they’re on ventilators, most need about the highest settings that we can do. About 90% oxygen, and 16 of PEEP, positive end-expiratory pressure, which keeps the lung inflated. This is nearly as high as I’ve ever seen. The level we’re at means we are running out of options.

    “In my experience, this severity of ARDS is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience — they have a bunch of dirty water in their lungs — or people who inhale caustic gas. Especially for it to have such an acute onset like that. I’ve never seen a microorganism or an infectious process cause such acute damage to the lungs so rapidly. That was what really shocked me.”

    You’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you ...

    “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy ****, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

    “When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

    I do not want to catch this.

    “Before this, we were all joking. It’s grim humor. If you are exposed to the virus and test positive and go on quarantine, you get paid. We were all joking: I want to get the coronavirus because then I get a paid vacation from work. And once I saw these patients with it, I was like, Holy ****, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this.

    About This Story
    The medical details in this story were vetted by an infectious disease doctor, a cardiologist and an internist at three different hospitals. All of the information about ARDS, the condition that the respiratory therapist describes, was fact-checked against peer-reviewed articles and UpToDate, a resource for physicians to check current standards in care, clinical features, and expected complications and outcomes.

    “I worked a long stretch of days last week, and I watched it go from this novelty to a serious issue. We had one or two patients at our hospital, and then five to 10 patients, and then 20 patients. Every day, the intensity kept ratcheting up. More patients, and the patients themselves are starting to get sicker and sicker. When it first started, we all had tons of equipment, tons of supplies, and as we started getting more patients, we started to run out. They had to ration supplies. At first we were trying to use one mask per patient. Then it was just: You get one mask for positive patients, another mask for everyone else. And now it’s just: You get one mask.

    “I work 12-hour shifts. Right now, we are running about four times the number of ventilators than we normally have going. We have such a large volume of patients, but it’s really hard to find enough people to fill all the shifts. The caregiver-to-patient ratio has gone down, and you can’t spend as much time with each patient, you can’t adjust the vent settings as aggressively because you’re not going into the room as often. And we’re also trying to avoid going into the room as much as possible to reduce infection risk of staff and to conserve personal protective equipment.”

    Even if you survive ... it can also do long-lasting damage.

    “But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.

    “There is a very real possibility that we might run out of ICU beds and at that point I don’t know what happens if patients get sick and need to be intubated and put on a ventilator. Is that person going to die because we don’t have the equipment to keep them alive? What if it goes on for months and dozens of people die because we don’t have the ventilators?

    “Hopefully we don’t get there, but if you only have one ventilator, and you have two patients, you’re going to have to go with the one who has a higher likelihood of surviving. And I’m afraid we’ll get to that point. I’ve heard that’s happening in Italy.”
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Is this stupidity or something WAY more sinister? 5 more doctors died in Italy and the waves in NYC are starting to crash and HCWs told NOT to use PPE ???

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    I fear Laurie Garrett may be right. She's super-smart and well-informed, and has been reporting on serious epidemics for a couple of decades. Whatever she says, folks (and professionals) should listen.

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    This was so hard to believe I had to go check there wasn't a typo in his tweet (i.e. a missing 'not'). But he meant exactly what he wrote. The twitter thread shows that.

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    So your basic position is that Corona/Covid19 is not even an issue anymore, Wuhan virus, whatever they've called it. It's a bioweapon and it's mutating.
    Thanks for your post, also.

    I'm just saying the mechanics of testing are no longer relevant if you (or any friends or relatives) are fighting for their life on a respirator.
    So true! I think many people just do not realize how bad it is when you are to the point of requiring a ventilator, for whatever purpose.
    A ventilator is considered Life Support, like when you hear the news that someone is on "life support", that is what it usually means.
    Many things can affect the lungs to reach that point, but does it matter what exactly caused it? Flu, chemicals, corona, pneumonia, injury, etc. The big point is, we need to do everything possible to avoid the need for a ventilator. Period.

    Ventilators themselves can CAUSE injury. They are working real hard on getting that right, but there are many cases of ARDS and pneumonia caused by the ventilators. They don't always get the pressures and adjustments right. They can cause long-term injury too! And in untrained hands, I shudder to think. There are a lot of injuries caused by ventilators already. The health-care workers will be tired, maybe "not-so-experienced" helpers, rushed - so many things to go wrong.

    I guess I have a particularly traumatic reaction when I hear "ventilatilation" due to my husband having a ventilator induced injury 3 years ago, from which he almost did not make it. I was told he may die, or very likely would be on that machine the rest of his life in a "care unit". Many are in units like that now. It took him about 2 years to basically recover, but he is doing fairly well now. I trust he was saved by Source and a series of serendipities. He had gone in for a hernia surgery, and wound up in the ICU for almost a month. (oxygen cannulas are not ventilators, btw.)
    Ventilator-associated lung injury
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    Hi all,

    this is David Icke's newest interview on the YouTube channel London Real - it dovetails with Daniel Liszt's newest posting-

    please be well all-

    Larry


    Mod note from Bill:
    already posted several times, but many thanks... your new thread is merged here, and it's well worth posting the interview again.

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    A double post here. First, a serious note. Second, a joke. After this, I'm taking a needed break for the rest of the day. My very best to every single person reading this.

    ~~~
    A doctor who spent nine hours moving critically-ill Covid-19 patients around London has issued a plea to the British public. Anaesthetic registrar Natalie Silvey posted the image of her face – reddened after hours spent wearing personnel protective equipment – to Twitter today.

    https://twitter.com/silv24/status/1241447017945223169


    She said: “Those red/purple marks across my face are from my mask and are deeper than you think.

    “Today I have seen just what Covid-19 is doing and now I just want to scream at people to listen to us.

    “I volunteered to do this. The consultant anaesthetist I was with volunteered. This is bringing out the best of us. Now can the rest of the country please bring out their best and listen!
    ~~~

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here are two posts from Cynthia McKinney's Twitter; one purported to be from San Diego, CA - and one from Italy.

    The human spirit has a way of breaking out past the boundaries.










    Note, changed the description to read 2 posts as the Long Island post was removed from twitter.
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    About the coronavirus testing disaster in the US in brief:
    • the U.S. rejected the WHO test and developed its own test around late January, but their own test was faulty
    • the FDA waited until February 29 before allowing private companies and academic institutions to make their own tests
    • on March 13 the pharmaceutical company Roche got approval to develop an automated test

    Quote 6 things to know about the coronavirus testing disaster in the US

    --- snip ---

    In the US, the CDC chose not to follow WHO protocol and made its own test, shipping it to states in early February. (The CDC has not made a public statement on why it didn’t follow WHO protocol.) The kit was actually designed to run three tests: two for SARS-CoV-2 and one for other known coronaviruses, which cause many common colds. But laboratories around the country soon reported that the tests didn’t work.

    By comparison, German scientists developed the first test for Covid-19 in January in line with WHO protocol, and the WHO shipped 250,000 of these tests to the 60 countries that had accepted them by early February — saving valuable weeks of being able to identify people who’d been infected.

    Despite a nationwide shortage, the need for FDA approval kept local, state, private, or academic institutions from developing or producing their own tests. Although in a crisis the FDA can use something called emergency use authorization to allow unapproved medical tests, the agency waited until February 29 before actually doing so.

    --- snip ---

    The good news is that the FDA is now allowing private companies and academic institutions to make their own tests. The pharmaceutical company Roche got approval to develop an automated test on March 13; prior to that, all of the tests had been hand-done. And as of March 19, 89 public health laboratories and even more private ones are finally able to run tests for SARS-CoV-2.

    The CDC told Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI) on March 13 that, nationwide, the US had the capacity to run around 7,000 tests per day; a tracking project run by Scott Gottlieb, a former FDA commissioner, suggests that as of March 18, more than 36,000 Americans can now be tested in a day.

    --- snip ---
    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/20/211882...-united-states

    See also:

    Why Did the Trump Administration Reject the WHO Coronavirus Test?

    Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) technical guidance: Laboratory testing for 2019-nCoV in humans

    Testing in U.S.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Spain is now third behind China and Italy in CV cases. The country has been put on COMPLETE lockdown. BUT...You can go out ten times a day to buy food. You can take the bus, train and metro to work or buy food. You can go to work. You can walk the dog, the neighbour can walk your dog (they had to remove 2000 adverts of people offering out their dogs on one website.)

    I go out once a week. The supermarket has plenty of toilet paper, nappies, rice and milk. There is no hoarding but, maybe worse we have not changed our habits.

    I think it is time to listen to the professionals.


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    A UK doctor getting very frustrated that people are not taking the idea of self isolation more seriously

    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 22nd March 2020 at 10:02. Reason: embedded the video
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Lightbulb Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    (Apologize if it is already posted) Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in Treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.

    Any good or just a Big Pharma Profiteering?
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    Exclamation Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Reality Check ... Truth-CHECK: Seasonal FLU "TWICE as Deadly" as Coronavirus?

    I've been warning for the past few weeks so just take a look at the numbers from the W.H.O. and in an “apples to apples” comparison, the Coronavirus has HALF the mortality rate of the seasonal flu when it comes to "death to confirmed cases" ratio.



    --o-O-o--

    Finally some decent reporting (...) imagine we had 1000s reporters like him worldwide!

    You almost think MSM is more dangerous than anything else ... on top of that and they want to silence others.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Dr. Ron Paul: The Coronavirus Hoax:
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    (Apologize if it is already posted) Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in Treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.

    Any good or just a Big Pharma Profiteering?
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    Yes John

    Here: Post #2197

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    March 19 update,

    At 21:31 in this really helpful presentation Chris discusses this Breakthrough study and it can be linked to here.

    Copy in the library, here.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Reality Check ... Truth-CHECK: Seasonal FLU "TWICE as Deadly" as Coronavirus?

    I've been warning for the past few weeks so just take a look at the numbers from the W.H.O. and in an “apples to apples” comparison, the Coronavirus has HALF the mortality rate of the seasonal flu when it comes to "death to confirmed cases" ratio.



    --o-O-o--

    Finally some decent reporting (...) imagine we had 1000s reporters like him worldwide!

    You almost think MSM is more dangerous than anything else ... on top of that and they want to silence others.

    cheers,
    John
    Video discounts the fact that we have no idea what the fatality rate is or will be because we are in the earliest stages of the pandemic. It's probably a very good idea to follow evidence based opinion coming from qualified epidemiologists, pathologists and science journalists.

    Chris Martenson knows the science and is in a position to be skeptical of some of the science, judge it as incomplete, unverified, not carefully vetted or not replicated. Pay attention to these people and those working directly with those who have the virus (in hospital settings particularly) Ben Swann is a great political commentator but lacks the credentials to make a sound judgement here.

    Same with Ron Paul. It's been a long time since he practised medicine and if he has made up his mind that this is some kind of a hoax he will not expose himself to material that counters his view. You know, "crabby old man" syndrome, right?

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    These are 2 through 5 plus 6 and 7 of Wendell Potter's initial tweet above.

    The absurd, foolish and contradictory reason appears to be directed by the CDC:
    Quote Folks have been asking for what the “explanation” is for this decision. We’ve been told the hospital administrators are concerned patients & visitors would be unduly alarmed & fearful if they saw health care workers wearing protective clothing & masks.
    Quote Hospital physicians tell me this is happening across the state. Nurses worry they could be fired if they wear protective gear, but worry if they don’t they’re putting themselves & patients at risk. It comes as NJ has an explosion in COVID cases, particularly Bergen County. (2/5)
    Quote @GovMurphy, please immediately investigate this, and order a ban in New Jersey on such a dangerous practice. No hospital should threaten doctors and nurses with disciplinary action for wearing masks. This is not complicated. (3/5)
    Quote I've heard other hospitals nationwide are enforcing this policy, too. Who knows how rampant it is? Some internal documents we obtained suggest certain federal restrictions by the CDC may be guiding this decision. (4/5)
    Quote If that's the case, @realdonaldtrump should immediately intervene & prohibit public hospitals from being able to threaten their staff for wearing protective equipment during this crisis, including gloves and masks. This is urgent and common sense. And it will save lives. (5/5)
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    See what it is like to be tested for Covid-19

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Franny (here)
    Here are three posts from Cynthia McKinney's Twitter; one purported to be from Long Island, NY and one from San Diego, CA - and one from Italy.

    The human spirit has a way of breaking out past the boundaries.




    Perhaps this video was taken in San Diego, but it was not taken on Long Island. I live on Long Island. There are no leaves on trees this time of year....

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Dr. Ron Paul: The Coronavirus Hoax:
    Ron Paul has a very good point to make here. "Hoax" is probably the wrong word to use. This is not a hoax. This is not the Truman Show. We can all agree. But the way we deal with this crisis will determine what kind of sociopolitical system we find ourselves living under, which is seemingly changing by the hour.
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