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    100% Cure rate!
    Seems authentic.
    Hi, all: I'm lingering back here on the thread at this post. The video has been 'pulled' from youtube. Perhaps one of you has already picked up on this and it's been uploaded so ignore this observation, if that is the case.

    If not could I please ask in the nicest way possible that a little time is taken to capture the creator name and title of ALL videos, particularly when sourcing from, and posting things up from youtube.

    Thanks

    I'm clueless about this particular one because there's no information to go on
    Regarding this specific video ... I've retrieved it from my browser history:
    Dr Vladmir Zelenko, MD, finds cure for Coronavirus - YouTube

    Furthermore, there is an article on globalresearch about this deleted video, which contains a summary:
    Video: Coronavirus Treatment: New York Doctor Vladimir Zelenko Finds 100% Success Rate in 350 Patients Using Hydroxychloroquine with Zinc
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by Antagenet (here)

    100% Cure rate!
    Seems authentic.
    Hi, all: I'm lingering back here on the thread at this post. The video has been 'pulled' from youtube. Perhaps one of you has already picked up on this and it's been uploaded so ignore this observation, if that is the case.

    If not could I please ask in the nicest way possible that a little time is taken to capture the creator name and title of ALL videos, particularly when sourcing from, and posting things up from youtube.

    Thanks

    I'm clueless about this particular one because there's no information to go on
    I was worried about this one coming down... and actually for the safety of the doctor. It was almost too authentic. And definitely not something the Ministry of Truth would want going viral.

    Summary of the video (as I remember it):

    Hasidic doctor in Orange County NY (which is just north of NYC) estimates approximately 20,000 COVID-19 cases in his county and has treated hundreds already in his practice, all of whom recovered without requiring hospitalization after administering hydroxychloroquine and zinc to treat the virus.
    Again, thanks.

    Houman's link on the Horus Ra thread that includes the pdf ()

    Here's the video:

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    in the anglo-saxon mission video bill ryan doesn't talk about something similar to everything that's going on right now?

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    An aside here, but an important one--

    Many have speculated on the 5G connection to this unfolding drama and I don't know if anything can be "proved." But as we begin to take control of our health we need to keep speaking up about this behemoth that's already landed on several nations. It's coming to the U.S., like tomorrow pretty much.

    They've already got 200 of the small cell antennas up in my area, not yet putting out the 5G. They're moving forward as if we have no say. Talk to your neighbors. Keep saying no.
    David Icke to Jones today:

    "If someone said to me what one thing would throw a spanner in the works of this now? Stopping 5G."

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1346364 1:33:53

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    An aside here, but an important one--

    Many have speculated on the 5G connection to this unfolding drama and I don't know if anything can be "proved." But as we begin to take control of our health we need to keep speaking up about this behemoth that's already landed on several nations. It's coming to the U.S., like tomorrow pretty much.

    They've already got 200 of the small cell antennas up in my area, not yet putting out the 5G. They're moving forward as if we have no say. Talk to your neighbors. Keep saying no.
    David Icke to Jones today:

    "If someone said to me what one thing would throw a spanner in the works of this now? Stopping 5G."

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1346364 1:33:53
    how does 5g compare to STARLINK ?

    I mean... I guess if you're a city dweller, but the entire world being covered seems a bit more worrisome?

    comparing the two makes me think "5G" is now just another useful "woo-woo" term used to stir up emotion.
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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    David Icke to Jones today:

    "If someone said to me what one thing would throw a spanner in the works of this now? Stopping 5G."


    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1346364 1:33:53
    how does 5g compare to STARLINK ?

    I mean... I guess if you're a city dweller, but the entire world being covered seems a bit more worrisome?

    comparing the two makes me think "5G" is now just another useful "woo-woo" term used to stir up emotion.
    It's like the micro and macro, one right in your face, the other in the sky. I wouldn't call it woo-woo, not when these antennas are right outside your window, but putting this crap up in space beaming down on everyone everywhere, yeah, that's a whole new ballgame. And it'll all be ultimately connected.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Friends, Im beginning to re evaluate things . There is a debate going here as to wether the virus is fake or not?
    I have said all along, its real, and it is a real virus, it can kill you and it does bear out to be pretty contagious.
    But something is not adding up , and I feel now I have been viewing it within the wrong context .
    Its not that its fake or not, but more that its being used in an opportunistic or "fake "manner. Its being marketed differently.
    So in a sense those debating it were missing each others points.

    We are going thru an incredible re shuffling of life on planet earth . The entire world shutting down, businesses being lost, trillions being lost. Disruption in every day life . Why wasn't this same drastic action taken in 2009?
    See this below, an excerpt from an article written in 2019. By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswell on www.statnews.com

    "On June 11, 2009 — 10 years ago today — the World Health Organization declared that the swine flu virus we now simply call H1N1 had indeed triggered a pandemic, the first time in four decades a new flu virus had emerged and was triggering wide-scale illness around the globe.
    SINCE IT STARTED CIRCULATING IN THE SPRING OF 2009, H1N1 HAS INFECTED ABOUT 100 MILLION AMERICANS, KILLING ABOUT 75,000 AND SENDING 936,000 TO THE HOSPITAL, THE CDC ESTIMATES. ANOTHER VIRUS, H3N2, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE INFECTIONS, BUT “IN TERMS OF THE SEVERITY, H1 IS KIND OF THIS QUIET KILLER,” SAID DR. DANIEL JERNIGAN, HEAD THE CDC’S FLU DIVISION."

    Why didn't this same global shutdown happening today happen back then with the H1N1 ?

    Why was this not good justification for the same measures? Why do I not remember it?
    Even President Trump mentioned it tonight and said, it killed a lot of people and people don't even remember it. Why?

    Is it that its an election year, and a president that some big powers want out?
    And if it wasn't an election year, would things be business as usual, some getting sick and dying like in every flu season as baseball goes on, sports continues and all go about their business, just like in 2009 while we had 75000 dead?

    Is the truth of it that its just one of many viruses that come along and its mixed in with an already bad flu season ?
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    Friends, Im beginning to re evaluate things . There is a debate going here as to wether the virus is fake or not?
    I have said all along, its real, and it is a real virus, it can kill you and it does bear out to be pretty contagious.
    But something is not adding up , and I feel now I have been viewing it within the wrong context .
    Its not that its fake or not, but more that its being used in an opportunistic or "fake "manner. Its being marketed differently.
    So in a sense those debating it were missing each others points.

    We are going thru an incredible re shuffling of life on planet earth . The entire world shutting down, businesses being lost, trillions being lost. Disruption in every day life . Why wasn't this same drastic action taken in 2009?
    See this below, an excerpt from an article written in 2019. By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswell on www.statnews.com

    "On June 11, 2009 — 10 years ago today — the World Health Organization declared that the swine flu virus we now simply call H1N1 had indeed triggered a pandemic, the first time in four decades a new flu virus had emerged and was triggering wide-scale illness around the globe.
    SINCE IT STARTED CIRCULATING IN THE SPRING OF 2009, H1N1 HAS INFECTED ABOUT 100 MILLION AMERICANS, KILLING ABOUT 75,000 AND SENDING 936,000 TO THE HOSPITAL, THE CDC ESTIMATES. ANOTHER VIRUS, H3N2, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE INFECTIONS, BUT “IN TERMS OF THE SEVERITY, H1 IS KIND OF THIS QUIET KILLER,” SAID DR. DANIEL JERNIGAN, HEAD THE CDC’S FLU DIVISION."

    Why didn't this same global shutdown happening today happen back then with the H1N1 ?

    Why was this not good justification for the same measures? Why do I not remember it?
    Even President Trump mentioned it tonight and said, it killed a lot of people and people don't even remember it. Why?

    Is it that its an election year, and a president that some big powers want out?
    And if it wasn't an election year, would things be business as usual, some getting sick and dying like in every flu season as baseball goes on, sports continues and all go about their business, just like in 2009 while we had 75000 dead?

    Is the truth of it that its just one of many viruses that come along and its mixed in with an already bad flu season ?
    I think your getting there doug.

    This massive splurge from Joseph Farrell, last night, takes that glint of light and amps it up to deer-in-the-headlight status.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    This is a video from an ER nurse in Rhode island. 10 days ago she did not think was anything "really" but every day the exponential increase is very real.


    I am concerned about the economy but see this as a physical threat where people are not healthy and prepared. Lots of people are so sure this won't effect them.

    The economy crashing IS a physical threat that would last longer than the virus - the nurse speaking in the video would find herself and her colleagues in the same, or probably much worse position if the economy isn't kept afloat and a serious economic depression avoided - poverty and deprivation would seriously affect the health (and freedom) of the population - and while the virus seems to be a more serious threat to the old and those with underlying health problems - poverty and deprivation would affect everyone young and old - in good health or poor health ---

    thanks for sharing the video but I wonder why it was so big? Perhaps it was me, my end, but it was so big you couldn't get her whole face on at the same time - maybe it could be made to be smaller by clicking on something - dunno -

    her message is in essence the same message that we have in the UK - stay indoors and avoid contact with other people to slow down the spread of the virus so the health service isn't overwhelmed -

    there was uproar here about the lack of Personal Protective Equipment for health workers, nurses etc. but I think they are getting on top of that now - in economic terms I suppose demand exceeded supply and that has to be put right ASAP -

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    My point is.
    I accept that this virus kills people.
    However the act of closing down business and employment is over the top to my mind-- as Norman posts.
    Its mandatory.
    It would have been easy enough to say retired people and the vulnerable stay home.
    There are three buisnesses in my family and my relatives are watching what has taken years to build dying infront of their eyes --nothingtheycan do.
    Help not available to June so how do they survive till then? At worst they and family could end up homeless and unemployed. There will be many seeking work after this is over.
    This is happening to many people all over the world.
    Why?
    Not to save the elderly and vulnerable --they are expensive, no longer productive-- a waste of space perhaps in the Governments eye, a burden.
    The media is really hyping this up even though its been declared that it is not as contagious or as fatal as originally stated by Government advisors
    I suspect David Icke is right on this.

    The Guardian
    US surpasses China for highest number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the world
    David Smith in Washington
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    Donald Trump again struggled to reassure a fearful nation on Thursday as it emerged the US now has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the world.

    News that America had surpassed virus hotspots China and Italy with 82,404 cases of infection, according to a tracker run by Johns Hopkins University, broke as the president was holding a press conference at the White House.

    Related: '$1,200 isn't enough': what a $2tn relief bill means for American workers

    His instinctive response was to question other countries’ statistics. “It’s a tribute to the amount of testing that we’re doing,” Trump told reporters. “We’re doing tremendous testing, and I’m sure you’re not able to tell what China is testing or not testing. I think that’s a little hard.”

    Trump later spoke to the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, by telephone and had what he described on Twitter as a “very good conversation”. The two leaders discussed the coronavirus in “great detail”, adding that: “China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!”
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    Inside NHS Nightingale - the new 4,000-bed coronavirus hospital in London
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    This is the first look inside the vast 4,000-bed hospital that is being created inside London’s ExCel centre to help tackle the coronavirus outbreak.

    A video shared on social media shows the vast field hospital, dubbed the NHS Nightingale Hospital, that is being created at the site.

    Sharing the video from inside the centre on Facebook, Alex Woodside said he was there to help lay cables for the new hospital.

    Panning around the cavernous space, he said: “I didn’t take this virus really seriously until I saw this this morning. I came in and this is the size of the hall.”


    He went on: “We’ve got 4,000 bed to go in, two morgues, this hall is a kilometre long and there’s a hall out on the other side as well.

    “If you’re not taking it seriously like I wasn’t, I think we really need to start ,because they’re preparing for an absolute high death toll here.”

    ]https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-nhs-nightingale-hospital-inside-184946478.html
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    This is a video from an ER nurse in Rhode island. 10 days ago she did not think was anything "really" but every day the exponential increase is very real.


    I am concerned about the economy but see this as a physical threat where people are not healthy and prepared. Lots of people are so sure this won't effect them.
    I want to emphatically state before I post the following that I am not at all suggesting this is video is not genuine, nor do I disbelieve what this person is saying. Nor am I downplaying her warning.

    That said, we need to also all consider we live in a world where reality is readily fabricated to suit whatever agenda serves reality, where Iraqi soldiers throw babies out of incubators, which consequently propagates wars that end up killing millions of innocent lives; it saddens me to report I've learned not to allow videos like this pull at my heart strings. And I apologize to all if it sounds callous, but regardless of the information in this video and its implication, we have to examine everything, especially when virtually everything is at stake in regard to our judgements. Is there any way to vet if this is a real ER real nurse from Novi, MI and/or if the information is accurate? Surely there must be some way to collaborate information like this. I'm not coming from a perspective of doubt or disbelief; I sincerely want to know. If so, this is really chilling testimony. (Novi, MI isn't even the epicenter...which makes this front-line testimony even more alarming).

    It seems to me, as an observer and a critical thinker, there are competing narratives at play in the cyber world right now vying for control of the narrative. Given the stakes at both ends, this could turn to a vicious--even violent--information war. It doesn't take too much insight to glean we are amid an epic and historic battle to determine the very direction of humanity for potentially hundreds of years to come... Incorrect judgments on either end of this thing can be potentially dire...

    To this end, I can only hope we humans will remain rational and calculated in our search for truth and quest for self-determination...

    lets hope so - I am very averse to being emotionally manipulated - and you can feel when the line has been crossed -

    you mentioned the fake story about new born babies being thrown out of incubators used to whip up emotion to ok the Iraq war - then there was the Boy in the Ambulance in Syria that turned out to be a White Helmet Propaganda Piece - then there was the little boys body on the Greek beach to get the public outraged and allow the flow of refugees/migrants then it turned out the poor little boys father was the person who organized and was in control of the boat because he wanted to go to Canada and have dental treatment or something like that - then there were the children being dramatically hosed down in Syria because Assad had supposedly dropped chemical weapons on them and that turned out to be a complete set up and the little kids were basically being abused to create the propaganda 'news'...

    I suppose we will know they are really turning the screw with the Coronavirus when they start using babies and children to scare everyone into being totally compliant with the new Authoritarian Rules...

    The virus is real and the dangers of overwhelming the health systems are real - but the emergency measures being taken are open to serious abuse by the Elite and the Globalists (who ever the hell they are) who want to take their agenda forward -

    (I know you know but just verbalizing thoughts in a response to what you said...)
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    Coronavirus: Number of COVID-19 infections in UK tops 5,000 as 233 die

    The latest figures in the UK show there has been a rise of 1,035 confirmed COVID-19 cases in a day to 5,018.

    Sunday 22 March 2020 10:33, UK

    COVID-19Coronavirus


    More than 5,000 people in the UK have now been infected with coronavirus.

    It comes as the number of COVID-19-related deaths has risen to 233 after 53 more fatalities were announced in England.

    NHS England said the patients who died were aged between 41 and 94 and all had underlying health conditions.

    Wales's number of dead has risen to five, Scotland's now stands at seven and Northern Ireland's remains at one.

    In the UK, there has been a rise of 1,035 confirmed cases in a day to 5,018.

    London continues to represent more than a third of all UK deaths - an increase of 19 on Saturday, eight of which were at one hospital trust, London North West Healthcare NHS Trust.

    The capital now has 90 deaths, followed by 42 in the South East, 32 in the West Midlands, 19 in the North West, 12 in the South West, nine in the East Midlands, eight in Yorkshire and the Humber and four in the North East.

    Ps note the date of this-- its 6 days ago.

    Most recent without fatalities here
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...0b19484dd4bb14
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Coronavirus Street: a new soap opera for our times by Tintin Quarantino

    We've a soap opera here in the UK called 'Coronation Street' and in keeping with the times we're in I'm going to start to block out some scenes for a new soap called Coronavirus Street.

    Hey, I've got time on my hands - I'm socially distancing and self isolating and I gotta do something, right?

    It'd be dead easy to script as well. it'd just be folks behind closed doors, arguing. No bar scenes unfortunately, but, just a couple arguing in scene X followed by, um, maybe one person arguing with themselves in a tenement block apartment at their reflection in a kettle, followed by scene X say a family arguing on the couch and fighting over the remote control (and a drone outside booming out instructions to "Stay at home; protect the NHS; save lives" )

    So, with one or two newer twists, the same old fodder then. It should be a hit though. The original 'Coronation' version has run for 40 years


    haha - "lights, camera, action"...............opening long shot of said Street with NOTHING happening.... and NOBODY in it -


    Do you remember one of the original characters ..... Albert Tatlock..?
    Your production could have a character called Albert Tatlockdown - maybe perhaps




    just a bit of frivolity to lighten the mood ....



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    Quote Posted by Andrea R (here)
    in the anglo-saxon mission video bill ryan doesn't talk about something similar to everything that's going on right now?
    Hi there, and welcome to the forum!

    Yes, please see this thread:
    Some parts of that fit well with the current situation, while others don't. But I'm absolutely certain that our witness's report of the meeting he attended in the City of London was authentic. That was the only meeting he was invited to, so he just never discovered any more.

    He strongly suspected that his invitation was an accident, as he was only a fairly junior Mason, while everyone else there was very senior, including a number of public figures he said everyone in the UK would know. (He never revealed their names, but one might imagine who they were.)

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    Friends, Im beginning to re evaluate things . There is a debate going here as to wether the virus is fake or not?
    I have said all along, its real, and it is a real virus, it can kill you and it does bear out to be pretty contagious.
    But something is not adding up , and I feel now I have been viewing it within the wrong context .
    Its not that its fake or not, but more that its being used in an opportunistic or "fake "manner. Its being marketed differently.
    So in a sense those debating it were missing each others points.
    Yes, absolutely. There are two kinds of 'contrarian' here.
    1. Those who doubt the reported statistics, that there's really a virus at all, that the 'real' cause is 5G, or that it's 'just the flu'.
    2. Those who accept the seriousness and reality of the pandemic (and the virus), but who strongly suspect there's an agenda to all this, and that it may have been planned.
    Those two viewpoints are very different.

    I'm firmly in the second category. In my strong opinion, those in the first category don't have access to (or have not fully understood) all the available information.

    One of the things the mods may very well do over the next few days is subdivide this [very long and sometimes confusing!] thread into the various categories — and also the COVID-19 Contrarians thread, which similarly contains a mixture of views and beliefs. So this thread and the 'Contrarian' thread would evolve into:
    • Covid-19: Cui bono? Is there an agenda?
    • Covid-19: It's all a hoax or "fake".
    • Covid-19: Reports, statistics and global updates.

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    I find that quite dangerous to strictly distinguish between these two categories. Many have come to a conclusion that lies somewhere in between. They have made their minds up (for now) by considering factors from both viewpoints. Yes, they are very different, but they are the two ends of the spectrum. The whole thing may be a combination of various factors which may vary from region to region. It smells a bit from putting people into the „right“ vs the „wrong“ section. But I understand at the moment it‘s all a mess and something has to be done.

    Are there really any serious researches out there saying ‚it‘s all a hoax‘? I may have missed that. I‘ll repeat here what I‘ve already posted elsewhere and which is really a concern to me:

    On the other hand these hoax-claims may be used to discredit all voices who challenge the dominant narrative of the lethal monster-virus that justifies any and all measures. It may be used to subtly imply that those critics are mindless and heartless creatures who do not care about actual misery and pain. The vast majority of the critics do not question the suffering and the deaths, they question the causes.



    PS. Then again, people here are very able to find their way through the maze on their own, it‘s a great way to learn and imo it‘s counterproductive to serve all the info pre-processed and neatly in small portions.

    But that‘s just me. On top of that I think there‘s barely anywhere a place on the net (where else?) where such a rich variety of valuable information is collected. It may be at the expense of conciseness, clarity. Big thanks to Bill and the team (and the contributors!) for providing and holding the place.
    Last edited by Iloveyou; 27th March 2020 at 10:38.

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    Air pollution seems to be a major factor in the many deaths, e.g. in China, Italy or US.

    Same in Spain:
    Article
    15 million Spaniards are breathing air the EU considers polluted
    More than half of Spain is wreathed in air containing excessive levels of particulate matter, nitrogen dioxide and ozone

    Prof Dr Sucharit Bhakdi | Professor, Specialist in Micobiology | All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook! English Subtitle

    Source: Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi



    Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

    What he says:

    "We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

    [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

    All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook."


    English subtitle.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Friends, Im beginning to re evaluate things . There is a debate going here as to wether the virus is fake or not?
    I have said all along, its real, and it is a real virus, it can kill you and it does bear out to be pretty contagious.
    But something is not adding up , and I feel now I have been viewing it within the wrong context .
    Its not that its fake or not, but more that its being used in an opportunistic or "fake "manner. Its being marketed differently.
    So in a sense those debating it were missing each others points.
    Yes, absolutely. There are two kinds of 'contrarian' here.
    1. Those who doubt the reported statistics, that there's really a virus at all, that the 'real' cause is 5G, or that it's 'just the flu'.
    2. Those who accept the seriousness and reality of the pandemic (and the virus), but who strongly suspect there's an agenda to all this, and that it may have been planned.
    Those two viewpoints are very different.

    I'm firmly in the second category. In my strong opinion, those in the first category don't have access to (or have not fully understood) all the available information.

    One of the things the mods may very well do over the next few days is subdivide this [very long and sometimes confusing!] thread into the various categories — and also the COVID-19 Contrarians thread, which similarly contains a mixture of views and beliefs. So this thread and the 'Contrarian' thread would evolve into:
    • Covid-19: Cui bono? Is there an agenda?
    • Covid-19: It's all a hoax or "fake".
    • Covid-19: Reports, statistics and global updates.
    Put me in category 2 as well. But for the sake of argument, maybe an actual test could help those in denial? From my US perspective it's rather mind-blowing that the UK is planning to allow cheap and easy in-home testing to help everyone determine if they're potentially infectious:

    https://themindunleashed.com/2020/03...thin-days.html

    And the US is lagging so far behind testing that one's head wants to spin. But at least there's some hope that the same IGG/IGM antibody test might just be more available in the US if one goes to a clinic. It seems in the US we can't be trusted to prick our fingers like a diabetic does and administer the same test ourselves.

    https://www.360dx.com/point-care-tes...-antibody-test

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    Henry Schein Inks US Distribution Deal for SD Biosensor's Coronavirus Antibody Test
    Mar 26, 2020
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    NEW YORK — Henry Schein said on Thursday that it has signed an agreement to distribute SD Biosensor's point-of-care immunochromatography test for SARS-CoV-2 in the US.

    According to Henry Schein, the Standard Q COVID-19 IgM/IgG Rapid Test is designed for the qualitative presumptive detection of specific IgM and IgG antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in a fingerstick blood sample. Results are available within 15 minutes with no instrumentation required.

    Henry Schein said the test is being made available under emergency guidance from the US Food and Drug Administration. The Melville, New York-based company said that it expects to have at least several hundred thousand tests available by Monday, with greater availability in April.

    The test is manufactured by South Korea's SD Biosensor, which is represented in the US by VelocityDx. Henry Schein said that it plans to sign agreements for additional COVID-19 tests from VelocityDx and other suppliers.
    It does seem that the lack of testing, especially in the US, indicates that some sort of agenda is being served. Now that it's obvious that testing is freely available in the world, where is the US response to COVID? Oh, it's up some bureaucrat's butt. Or those bureaucrats are being manipulated/threatened in some way behind the scenes to prevent them from taking their heads out of their respective orifices.

    Citizens are being manipulated, there's no doubt. Am I one of them? Not likely. Why? I have some degree of education. I'm not saying I'm highly educated, but at least I can ask questions and seek answers without having to resort to authority. Sadly, there are too many around the world who cannot think logically and rationally and they are being manipulated en masse. For all of those who see this manipulation for what it is, what is the best response? Whining about it does little good. Making concerted efforts to enlighten those who are confused and easily manipulated is the only practical solution.

    Yes, split this thread up. It's unwieldy as it is. Dialog is fragmented and difficult to navigate.

    'Reports, statistics and global updates' is where many like myself want to go to without having to winnow all of the current chaff. However, we want the Project Avalon perspective on global updates, not the same stuff that we can get from other websites.

    Where science and spirituality meet . . .
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    UK Prime Minister Boris has Covid-19!


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791
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