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    Quote Posted by kfm27917 (here)
    Caution. This blog seems to have been infected.

    Being a fairly new member, somehow I had expectations that this forum was different.

    Given that the rest of the internet only deals with one subject currently, we also seemed to have succumbed to the virus. No place to surf without being overrun with Covid19 news.

    I am going to self-insulate my mind for 14 days and see what happens.....
    We have 4 (four) threads about Covid-19. And another 3 (three) about preventative measures.

    The forum has 91,830 threads. So that leaves another 91,823 threads on every other topic under the sun (and other suns, too).

    That's enough reading material for anyone for a decade. The forum is yours to browse. Read and contribute to whatever you like. If someone's not choosing to read this thread, no-one's forcing them to. There's PLENTY else on the menu.


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    I mean no ill will Bill (hah!) and I thank you for all you've done but I've noticed multiple posts of yours in this thread that are doing not much other than spreading fear. That is the last thing we need be doing right now.

    Love and light to all.


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    I'm a trained and professionally certified Mountaineering Instructor. I've led many parties in mountains, including enthusiastic novices. I've climbed in teams or with partners all over the world, including the Himalayas.

    My job in that role is to safeguard everyone. And that involves always being aware of potential risk and danger, which often aren't too far away. Weather, avalanches, rockfalls, swollen rivers to cross, nightfall, and much else.

    But I'm never afraid in the mountains. The last time I was afraid was in the circumstances I shared in this story, when I was just 26.
    I'd be honored if you'd read it. It was a formative incident for me.

    My fear (sheer blind terror, actually) somehow didn't stop me from managing to do the right thing to save my friend's life. (And it was a close call, by seconds, but we both emerged 100% unscathed.)

    The reason I'm not afraid these days is because I know what the heck I'm doing and have a lot of experience. I take what many would consider to be 'risks', but I also take great care all the time.

    In all these many years, I've never had the tiniest injury to myself or anyone I've been climbing with. Barely a scratch. In that world, where people get badly hurt or killed all the time, that's a testimony I'm proud of.

    That's because I pay close attention to reality. If you try to cross a busy highway, and a huge Mack 18 wheeler is bearing down on you going too fast to stop, and you stand there, close your eyes and say: "There is no truck! There is no truck! There is no truck!" ... it'll hit you anyway. Best open your eyes and get out of the way!

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Morning Fox / to suggest that Bill Ryan isn't very intelligent is a bit of an affront to me, and Im sure many here in light of the wealth of information and breath of the topics Bill has presented and spoken on over many years.

    And to add to this something conspiratorial in the direction of Bill being" compromised "seems a bit much ? Compromised by who? Can you give some reasoning for an assertion like that?

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    i‘m blown away at the moment of how great the forum is doing since the start of this issue and how well the discussion is proceeding in different directions, very moderately and differentiated.

    It reminds me strongly of the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

    Please allow me one moment of relief (will delete if inappropriate):

    Lemon and cloves. Like cures like (homeopathic principle)


    © Luisa Francia

    Last edited by Iloveyou; 15th March 2020 at 15:29.

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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    i‘m blown away at the moment of how great the forum is doing since the start of this issue and how well the discussion is proceeding in different directions, very moderately and differentiated.

    It reminds me strongly of the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

    Please allow me one moment of relief (will delete if inappropriate):

    Lemon and cloves. Like cures like (homeopathic principle)


    © Luisa Francia

    A bit of synchronicity happening in my life

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    Ministers plan police powers to arrest coronavirus patients not self-isolating

    And four month self isolation for over 70s has been mentioned
    Chris

    Health Secretary Matt Hancock says over-70s could be asked to self-isolate in 'coming weeks' to 'shield' themselves from coronavirus


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ministers-...111627498.html
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    Quote Posted by MorningFox (here)
    I mean no ill will Bill (hah!) and I thank you for all you've done but I've noticed multiple posts of yours in this thread that are doing not much other than spreading fear. That is the last thing we need be doing right now.

    Love and light to all.


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    My job in that role is to safeguard everyone. And that involves always being aware of potential risk and danger, which often aren't too far away. Weather, avalanches, rockfalls, swollen rivers to cross, nightfall, and much else.

    But I'm never afraid in the mountains. The last time I was afraid was in the circumstances I shared in this story, when I was just 26.
    I'd be honored if you'd read it. It was a formative incident for me.

    My fear (sheer blind terror, actually) somehow didn't stop me from managing to do the right thing to save my friend's life. (And it was a close call, by seconds, but we both emerged 100% unscathed.)

    The reason I'm not afraid these days is because I know what the heck I'm doing and have a lot of experience. I take what many would consider to be 'risks', but I also take great care all the time.

    In all these many years, I've never had the tiniest injury to myself or anyone I've been climbing with. Barely a scratch. In that world, where people get badly hurt or killed all the time, that's a testimony I'm proud of.

    That's because I pay close attention to reality. If you try to cross a busy highway, and a huge Mack 18 wheeler is bearing down on you going too fast to stop, and you stand there, close your eyes and say: "There is no truck! There is no truck! There is no truck!" ... it'll hit you anyway. Best open your eyes and get out of the way!

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Morning Fox / to suggest that Bill Ryan isn't very intelligent is a bit of an affront to me, and Im sure many here in light of the wealth of information and breath of the topics Bill has presented and spoken on over many years.

    And to add to this something conspiratorial in the direction of Bill being" compromised "seems a bit much ? Compromised by who? Can you give some reasoning for an assertion like that?
    Whenever I hear someone accusing another of spreading fear, I think what they really mean is: Don't scare me with facts.

    I know the first adjustment reaction is denial, but this is only another reason why facts need to be spread in spite of fear reactions. This virus/event/whatever-you-want-to-call-it has spread enough that we don't have to compare to anything but itself. People are being affected at exponential rates. You must understand the exponents. It's not just about deaths, it's about hospitalizations.

    And it's also about official reactions. When the officials are reacting (placing restrictions, quarantines, etc.) at an exponential rate, you need to be prepared.

    If you leave out either one of those parts (hospitalizations and healthcare vs government restrictions) you are leaving it out at your own detriment. Some of us are responsible for others beside ourselves and cannot take that risk.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Yep - We always see both sides of the extremes, ie: denial/"positive thinking" <--------->intense fear/"negative thinking". It's like the two ends of the normal curve. Just leads us right back to the very important concept of Balance.
    My belief is that Balance is, well... everything.


    Here's today's Denninger. He usually seems quite balanced.
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Primaries postponed in Georgia and Louisiana.
    Just a pause to wonder: What about the next one? Does everything keep getting shut down--each time?
    This really puzzles me too. Why not just send out the ballots? Why not do a mail in election? This is a piece of the puzzle that isn't making sense. The governments response and lack of response is going to be very interesting. In the US if there is no presidential election does that mean Trump stays in office indefinitely. That would not be pleasing to the deep state.

    Remember that thing about the book "The Last President" the Baron Trump story. Kind of gives me the creeps.

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    I wish to thank Bill for this thread. I started watching it several weeks ago, and took appropriate steps to stock up. It has allowed me to come to terms with this gradually, systematically, and not in a "panic" mode. Thank You!!!

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    this Virus has allegedly had bits of the HIV virus added. We do not know what characteristics the inserted sequences confer, however a characteriestic of HIV is rapid mutation...

    "The high levels of genetic diversity of the HIV-1 virus grant it the ability to escape the immune system, to rapidly evolve drug resistance, and to circumvent vaccination strategies. However, our knowledge of HIV-1 mutation rates has been largely restricted to in vitro and cell culture studies"


    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002251
    Thanks for this Baby Steps

    I've downloaded all the spreadsheets and figures/images used in this paper, which may be an important one, and zipped them all together as well here in the library in a standalone folder.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.
    ~~~
    German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

    The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

    Edit to add: a reference has now been given.
    More still, in some detail:
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 15th March 2020 at 19:21.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    any comment?





    more here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-519

    surveillance tech and big data mapping... slippery slope?
    Last edited by snoman; 15th March 2020 at 18:20.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here is a video from Mike Adams. It is a video on prepping and being prepared. Take it as you will, but I am glad I am not flat footed or unprepared, for this or anything else really. Hope he's wrong and it all peters out in the warm months. I guess if it doesn't we'll have fairly good certainty it IS a bioweapon and we are going to be off to the races.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=5e6d32d0e370be008dd6d045

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by kfm27917 (here)
    Caution. This blog seems to have been infected.

    Being a fairly new member, somehow I had expectations that this forum was different.

    Given that the rest of the internet only deals with one subject currently, we also seemed to have succumbed to the virus. No place to surf without being overrun with Covid19 news.

    I am going to self-insulate my mind for 14 days and see what happens.....
    You are free to approach information or stay away. That is what I love about this forum. Free will is our original truth IMO and what we are exploring in life.

    I have a brother who undertook a road trip cross country and has heard absolutely nothing about the subject except what I told him. Then he decided he'd rather continue his journey because he is a free person.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by MorningFox (here)

    Vitamin A is crucial. If you contract it, vitamin C is crucial. Love, peace and gratitude.

    I forgive you Bill
    I forgive you too for trying to paint us with desire to explore an issue, with being "either simply not very intelligent or has been compromised or bought out and is spreading unwarranted fear in the exact same manner as the MSM." I wish you continued great health, omnipotence and omniscience. May they never fail you.

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Primaries postponed in Georgia and Louisiana.
    Just a pause to wonder: What about the next one? Does everything keep getting shut down--each time?
    This really puzzles me too. Why not just send out the ballots? Why not do a mail in election? This is a piece of the puzzle that isn't making sense. The governments response and lack of response is going to be very interesting. In the US if there is no presidential election does that mean Trump stays in office indefinitely. That would not be pleasing to the deep state.

    Remember that thing about the book "The Last President" the Baron Trump story. Kind of gives me the creeps.
    I agree with you that this give the creeps. However, IMO it will galvanize many to a rage great enough to stir the pot of complacency. I am really curious about how this will blow back if it is a planned take down. I feel there is a deep well of strength that most never tap into unless challenged. How this will go, only time will tell?

    (slightly off topic
    And how in heck can the Democrats be pushing this senile elder candidate? That is another really confusing note. All this is making no sense except when i look at a concept of the superficial matrix shattering.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.


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    German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

    The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

    Edit to add: a reference has now been given.

    Well, first off, it's the Guardian, yawn. Then who knows what the German paper is.

    It could be, and probably is, a spin on Trump simply offering lots of financial support to get the vaccine done and available. "Excusive Rights" it probalby one line in the paperwork related to securing Trumps money.
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    To me, this thread has been the very opposite of fear. I come to Avalon to learn people thoughts, opinions, observations and research in a thoughtful and respectful forum. No one is forcing me to read this and as Bill pointed out, there are many threads on many topics. I feel less fear when I have information from multiple sources and many locations to consider and process.. if someone perceives this as fear-mongering, I would respectfully disagree. I appreciate many of the perspectives I have encountered on this unique time.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I just caught this as a brief update on the Guardian's running news thread. It was posted 9 hours ago, and there was nothing else said, and no reference.
    ~~~
    German newspaper Welt am Sonntag has reported that US president Donald Trump has sought exclusive rights to a vaccine for the coronavirus which is being developed by a German-based company, CureVac.

    The report, which quoted unnamed sources, said Trump had offered large sums of money to German scientists working on the vaccine.

    Edit to add: a reference has now been given.
    I found this CNN article which refutes this:

    German company working on coronavirus vaccine denies Trump is trying to acquire its scientists

    From CNN’s Nadine Schmidt, Claudia Otto and Fred Pleitgen in Berlin


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    A German company working to develop a coronavirus vaccine is denying a report in a German newspaper that President Trump is trying to lure German scientists working on an experimental coronavirus vaccine to the US.

    German company CureVac, working to develop mRNA-based coronavirus vaccine, did not deny being in touch with Trump or the US government, but did reject rumors of an acquisition in a statement issued on Sunday.

    The self-described clinical state biopharmaceutical company said: “…internal efforts are focused on the development of a coronavirus vaccine with the goal to reach, help and to protect people and patients worldwide. As a consequence, the company is in contact with especially CEPI and many other organizations and authorities worldwide, however abstains from commenting on speculations and rejects allegations about offers for acquisition of the company or its technology.”
    The story first emerged earlier Sunday when German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag reported that Trump was trying to lure CureVac with "large sums," also saying Trump was working to acquire the vaccine but “only for the US”, citing anonymous German federal government sources.

    The report reads: ''The US president is allegedly offering the company a large sum of money to secure their work exclusively. Trump would do anything to get a vaccine for the US. ‘But only for the United States,’ according to the federal government.''

    Germany’s Health Ministry responding to a CNN question about the German newspaper report said: "The federal government is very interested in the fact that vaccines and active substances against the novel corona virus are also being developed in Germany and Europe. In this regard, the federal government is in intensive exchange with the company CureVac."

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