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    Virologist Steven Hatfill (at 32 mins) is not in favor of lockdowns since the virus is uncontainable. He thinks past "a certain stage" there is more trouble than good. I think he is voicing the conscious strategy of the US government. There is an implication that the US is just hopelessly sunk as there has been no planning. The elderly will be triaged (expected to die). SO, this will solve problems of many kinds for the administration.

    IMO given the idea this is a PLAN, The only down side will be the loss of healthcare providers IMO (down side for pragmatic psychopaths). Th wildcard IMO will be the general UNhealth of the youth. There is chronic underlying dis ease in half of the youth. How will this heavily vaccinated/medicated cohort withstand the virus and/or treatment and ANOTHER vaccine. Everyone is so gung ho for vaccines and I just can never BELIEVE this idea from what I understand about the immune system.

    As it may be clear or not, IMO vaccines have been the number one antithesis to true health and the US has "benefitted" widely form the horror. What will it be like for kids here? Time will tell.



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    Aren't you honoring another citizen by wearing a face mask?
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    Dr. Francis A. Boyle (a bio terrorism expert) discusses the origins of coronavirus. I hope this hasn't already been shared - I checked and didn't find it. This isn't a youtube video so hope that's not an issue when sharing this.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...tahQT5pMckHUQU

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Also, I live in NYC.... we should've been decimated. Do you realize how many ppl pass through NYC from everywhere. The infection shoul've spread like wildfire. I have 2 friends who flew from Europe and Asian. They weren't even checked at the airport.
    I still call this BS.

    The agenda is rolling out ... fear so ppl will gladly give up their freedom for "safety"

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Robert D.Morningstar
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    超过一百五十万人阅读了这篇文章:
    More than One & a Half Million people have read this article:
    CORONA UNMASKED: Chinese Intelligence Officer Reveals True Magnitude of China’s Fake “Coronavirus” Crisis – 包含中文字符版本

    https://ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2...avirus-crisis/

    Mod note from Bill:
    this has been posted several times before, and discussed. (It's nonsense.)

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    This is a tweet with information about clinical presentation and course




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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Oil prices have gone right off a cliff today. Watch out for the Dow Jones to follow. We might see some extraordinary things happening in the markets, with no end in sight.

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    Kevin Barrett of No Lies Radio and False Flag Weekly News:

    Quote .....How could an Israeli company claim that they'll have a vaccine against corona virus in less than two weeks when all scientists say that if there's a novel outbreak like this, it would take at least a year to have a vaccine?.....
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    Kevin Barrett of No Lies Radio and False Flag Weekly News:

    Quote .....How could an Israeli company claim that they'll have a vaccine against corona virus in less than two weeks when all scientists say that if there's a novel outbreak like this, it would take at least a year to have a vaccine?.....
    They might have a vaccine, because that's the easy part. (Other labs may have one too, or be near to having one.)

    But then it takes many months or even years to test it. Some vaccines may seem viable when first created, but really won't work at all once tested. Even in a situation like this, all the testing protocols have to be done, and that can take a very long time.

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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    Kevin Barrett of No Lies Radio and False Flag Weekly News:

    Quote .....How could an Israeli company claim that they'll have a vaccine against corona virus in less than two weeks when all scientists say that if there's a novel outbreak like this, it would take at least a year to have a vaccine?.....
    They might have a vaccine, because that's the easy part. (Other labs may have one too, or be near to having one.)

    But then it takes many months or even years to test it. Some vaccines may seem viable when first created, but really won't work at all once tested. Even in a situation like this, all the testing protocols have to be done, and that can take a very long time.
    According to JP, they will have - they are then saying 90 days for regulatory testing:

    Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'

    From the article:
    Quote .....“Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”....
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    I found this piece from Global Research a fascinating read from start to finish. Might the US actually be the source? Food for thought anyway.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-...update/5705196
    Yes, it really has to be possible - I'd alluded to that in this post here, or at least suggested it without quite the degree of high octane speculation that Joseph Farrell might engage

    EDIT to add: see Bill's post here as well
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    Kevin Barrett of No Lies Radio and False Flag Weekly News:

    Quote .....How could an Israeli company claim that they'll have a vaccine against corona virus in less than two weeks when all scientists say that if there's a novel outbreak like this, it would take at least a year to have a vaccine?.....
    They might have a vaccine, because that's the easy part. (Other labs may have one too, or be near to having one.)

    But then it takes many months or even years to test it. Some vaccines may seem viable when first created, but really won't work at all once tested. Even in a situation like this, all the testing protocols have to be done, and that can take a very long time.
    According to JP, they will have - they are then saying 90 days for regulatory testing:

    Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'

    From the article:
    Quote .....“Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”....
    Yes. But 90 days is a real finger-in-the-wind, optimistic guess. And PR (for funding support) plays a big part in this kind of press statement, too.

    It's extremely likely to be way wrong. They don't and can't know what problems might be revealed in testing... it's very far from some kind of bureaucratic formality. Whatever one thinks of vaccines (and the last shot I had was for Yellow Fever before a trip to India, 32 years ago!), there are stringent procedures and legal hoops to be jumped through. As many reading this may know, there's still not a SARS vaccine, 17 years after the 2002-04 outbreak. That tells us something.

    Here's one of hundreds of articles about this, from Wired. One small extract:
    President Donald Trump told pharmaceutical executives and public health officials in a White House meeting on Monday that he wants [a vaccine] ready before the election in November. For the record, that would be impossible.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Here's a related article from The International Air Transport Association also showing how serious this is:


    IATA Updates COVID-19 Financial Impacts -Relief Measures Needed-

    March 5th
    iata.org/en/

    Singapore - The International Air Transport Association (IATA) updated its analysis of the financial impact of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) public health emergency on the global air transport industry. IATA now sees 2020 global revenue losses for the passenger business of between $63 billion (in a scenario where COVID-19 is contained in current markets with over 100 cases as of 2 March) and $113 billion (in a scenario with a broader spreading of COVID-19). No estimates are yet available for the impact on cargo operations.

    IATA’s previous analysis (issued on 20 February 2020) put lost revenues at $29.3 billion based on a scenario that would see the impact of COVID-19 largely confined to markets associated with China. Since that time, the virus has spread to over 80 countries and forward bookings have been severely impacted on routes beyond China.

    Financial markets have reacted strongly. Airline share prices have fallen nearly 25% since the outbreak began, some 21 percentage points greater than the decline that occurred at a similar point during the SARS crisis of 2003. To a large extent, this fall already prices in a shock to industry revenues much greater than our previous analysis.

    To take into account the evolving situation with COVID-19, IATA estimated the potential impact on passenger revenues based on two possible scenarios:

    Scenario 1: Limited Spread

    This scenario includes markets with more than 100 confirmed COVID-19 cases (as of 2 March) experiencing a sharp downturn followed by a V-shaped recovery profile. It also estimates falls in consumer confidence in other markets (North America, Asia Pacific and Europe).

    The markets accounted for in this scenario and their anticipated fall in passenger numbers, due to COVID-19, as are as follows: China (-23%), Japan (-12%), Singapore (-10%), South Korea (-14%), Italy (-24%), France (-10%), Germany (-10%), and Iran (-16%). Additionally, Asia (excluding China, Japan, Singapore and South Korea) would be expected to see an 11% fall in demand. Europe (excluding Italy, France and Germany) would see a 7% fall in demand and Middle East (excluding Iran) would see a 7% fall in demand.

    Globally, this fall in demand translates to an 11% worldwide passenger revenue loss equal to $63 billion. China would account for some $22 billion of this total. Markets associated with Asia (including China) would account for $47 billion of this total.

    Scenario 2: Extensive Spread

    This scenario applies a similar methodology but to all markets that currently have 10 or more confirmed COVID-19 cases (as of 2 March). The outcome is a 19% loss in worldwide passenger revenues, which equates to $113 billion. Financially, that would be on a scale equivalent to what the industry experienced in the Global Financial Crisis.

    [...]

    Mitigation

    Oil prices have fallen significantly (-$13/barrel Brent) since the beginning of the year. This could cut costs up to $28 billion on the 2020 fuel bill (on top of those savings which would be achieved as a result of reduced operations) which would provide some relief but would not significantly cushion the devastating impact that COVID-19 is having on demand. And it should be noted that hedging practices will postpone this impact for many airlines.
    Impact

    “The turn of events as a result of COVID-19 is almost without precedent. In little over two months, the industry’s prospects in much of the world have taken a dramatic turn for the worse. It is unclear how the virus will develop, but whether we see the impact contained to a few markets and a $63 billion revenue loss, or a broader impact leading to a $113 billion loss of revenue, this is a crisis.

    “Many airlines are cutting capacity and taking emergency measures to reduce costs. Governments must take note. Airlines are doing their best to stay afloat as they perform the vital task of linking the world’s economies. As governments look to stimulus measures, the airline industry will need consideration for relief on taxes, charges and slot allocation. These are extraordinary times,” said Alexandre de Juniac, IATA’s Director General and CEO.

    Read the full updated impact assessment (pdf)

    Full article

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    Kevin Barrett of No Lies Radio and False Flag Weekly News:

    Quote .....How could an Israeli company claim that they'll have a vaccine against corona virus in less than two weeks when all scientists say that if there's a novel outbreak like this, it would take at least a year to have a vaccine?.....
    They might have a vaccine, because that's the easy part. (Other labs may have one too, or be near to having one.)

    But then it takes many months or even years to test it. Some vaccines may seem viable when first created, but really won't work at all once tested. Even in a situation like this, all the testing protocols have to be done, and that can take a very long time.
    According to JP, they will have - they are then saying 90 days for regulatory testing:

    Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'

    From the article:
    Quote .....“Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”....
    Yes. But 90 days is a real finger-in-the-wind, optimistic guess. And PR (for funding support) plays a big part in this kind of press statement, too.

    It's extremely likely to be way wrong. They don't and can't know what problems might be revealed in testing... it's very far from some kind of bureaucratic formality. Whatever one thinks of vaccines (and the last shot I had was for Yellow Fever before a trip to India, 32 years ago!), there are stringent procedures and legal hoops to be jumped through. As many reading this may know, there's still not a SARS vaccine, 17 years after the 2002-04 outbreak. That tells us something......
    .....unless what Kevin is suggesting is in fact true, and they created a bio-weapon and its antidote well ahead of time.
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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    .....unless what Kevin is suggesting is in fact true, and they created a bio-weapon and its antidote well ahead of time.
    Agreed — it's not impossible.

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    thus forcing a choice between overcoming the weapon or submitting our bodies to the 'vaccine'.
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    So, knowing as we do, the virus sets up 'Base Camp' in the nose/throat behind the nose, why are we not 'attacking it there' so slowing its ability to 'overwhelm' the body?

    If we know from Wuhan that ALL patients show antibodies to the virus by day 10 could we not 'buy' our bodies that time by limiting its ability to survive in its 'chosen' base camp site?

    With bacterial infection of my teeth/roots I've found those 'hot oatie bags' (that you put in the micronuke and then apply to your 'achey bits') ideal for raising the local temp of the area impacted (far above that the bacteria survive at and so lessening their load and helping my body deal with the infection?)

    The same appears true with the virus that 'high temps' (why your body 'raises' your body temp as it tries to eradicate the infection....and you spike a temp?) so would daily 'sweating out' of those regions take out significant portions of the viral load residing there and so leave the virus having to 'start again' in gaining the numbers needed to impact lung function??

    I'm sticking with my 'tried & tested' method I perfected over my caring for Luke (involving 'sluicing' the region with well know & cheap 'anti viral agents'/'Rubbing alcohol' and snorking back the resultant 'mucus ++' over the entry point where nose meets throat?) but I'm sure you can all turn your minds to 'slowing up personal infection' and so buying your own immune system time to isolate ,and build up numbers, of affective antibodies to wipe out your infection and bring you 'partial immunity' from future infection??

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    I have been assisting in the ordering of a machine from a Chinese factory in Luohe, a city about two hundred miles north of Wuhan. The factory sales rep was emailed five days ago when they were supposed to return to work after the Chinese New Year. This factory rep has always answered emails within two days in the past and has been very helpful.

    So far there has been no communication from this sales rep or other factory person. We have no idea now whether we will be able to get the machine which was paid for and was supposed to be ready to ship by now. I am sure that there are a lot of other people and companies having the same problem.

    So I think whatever is happening in China (coupled with articles on ZeroHedge and other sources), it appears to be quite serious.

    I will update this post as the situation develops.
    UPDATE: We finally got an email from the sales rep we have been dealing with at the Chinese machinery factory:
    "Sorry to reply you late.

    Because the China special time, we extend our holiday, plant to back office on 10th this month. When we start work, we will arrange the goods as soon as possible.

    Sorry the special time cause inconvenience for you.
    "
    I wonder if they are required by the government to use the euphemism "special time" to refer to whatever is going on in China.
    UPDATE: We received another email from the sales rep from the Chinese factory:
    "Thank you, we believe that the special time will be over soon.

    Our factory will start to work on 18th this month, then we will arrange the machine and parts as soon as quickly."
    We were told right before the Chinese New Year holiday in mid-January that the factory would get started with our order on February 1st. This email today reveals that the euphemism "special time" was not in reference to the Chinese New Year but to the current viral outbreak in China.
    Update: We have been informed by the sales rep for the factory that is custom building our machine that they have finished it except for an electrical plug that we can get in the US at Home Depot (for example). The factory is not in the Hubei province; it is about 200 miles north of Wuhan.

    We were told five days ago that they don't have that particular plug and that the factory that makes those plugs has not gone back to work yet.

    The next question is will it be shipped soon and do we need to disinfect the machine when we receive it? It has to go through US Customs when entering the US, so I'm wondering if Customs will be disinfecting everything coming into the US.
    UPDATE: We received an email three days ago that the factory that made the 220 volt plug for the machine we ordered was still not back to work. So they could not wire the specific plug that we had already ordered and paid for. We told them to send the machine anyway without the plug since they are widely available in the US.

    We received an answer this morning from the factory's sales rep that stated that our machine was ready to ship. She sent a picture of the wooden crate containing our machine (an herb grinder) that is ready to ship along with a couple docs we'll need for customs.

    We are very happy with the service we received from the Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Co. which is in the Henan province in the city of Luohe. However, if it were not for Alibaba being very difficult to deal with we would have already received the machine since we attempted numerous times to order it back in early December. So we had to eventually bypass Alibaba and pay directly to the factory via PayPal, which we should have done at the onset.

    I will continue to update this post as we follow the shipment to the US and then through customs.
    UPDATE: The machine we ordered from Luohe, China (Henan Province) is being shipped and is currently in Dongguan according to FedEx. It's supposed to arrive in North Idaho on March 16th (guaranteed) but I'll be surprised if it gets here that fast.

    However, according to this FedEx web page there is only a "Temporary Service Suspension" from Wuhan and Urumqi:

    Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak and measures imposed by governments around the world, there are
    currently unavoidable service impacts on both inbound and outbound FedEx and TNT shipments as outlined
    below.
    This information is provided for general guidance only. Due to the dynamic nature of the situation, the information
    is subject to change without notice. We are closely monitoring the situation and will continue to provide updates
    as they become available.
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    .....unless what Kevin is suggesting is in fact true, and they created a bio-weapon and its antidote well ahead of time.
    Agreed — it's not impossible.
    Yes, same here, pondered before, and agreed entirely.

    These folks are expert strategists and will factor in every conceivable scenario and solution theretofore, and work it fully to their advantage. It'll be all about the timing for a vax rollout.
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