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    A Pandemic - and 30,000 US Troops to Europe (Without Masks):
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Irish update:

    Sadly, the first death reported, Wednesday 11th March.

    12th of March, as of 6pm local time, all schools, child care facilities and colleges/universities will be closed until at least March 29th. I fully expect a full lock down sooner rather than later.

    A nation wide ban on public gatherings of 500+ people outdoor, 100+ indoor.

    My personal experience is that of people bursting into tears while I'm talking to them. People are scared. There's a definite panic in the air but there's also a feeling of shock at how fast it's all unfolding. It's surreal.

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    I can't help but wondering.... what happens after an infected area like Wuhan that has allegedly gotten the infection under control resumes activity. Once others are allowed to enter the area the infection process will just resume. People are acting like once successfully stopping this it is the end of the trouble. Large amounts of people weren't infected, even in places like Wuhan. It seems this process will just continue till enough people get sick and there is a sort of herd immunity. That is not even factoring in the fact that this thing will mutate into another strain(s).

    Any idea? I'm really not trying to be negative here, but.....

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    My personal experience is that of people bursting into tears while I'm talking to them. People are scared. There's a definite panic in the air but there's also a feeling of shock at how fast it's all unfolding. It's surreal.
    Yes, I really really understand this.

    As Chris Martenson explains in his videos — my paraphrase! — there are no bad guys here. (In the general non-corporate and non-political population, at least!)

    Some are natural fast-adapters to new information, even if it's bad news. And some are just not. That can always be forgiven and understood. We've seen that here on the forum, too.

    Many in the population just haven't had enough lead time. For regular people, that's not always their fault.

    As the exponential graph of cases suddenly goes vertical in each country, one by one, then so do the news features.

    And then many people just get avalanched and overwhelmed by that, and it all feels very sudden and shocking. All the info they're getting has come way too late. (Heads should roll at the WHO, but that's a different topic. )

    For those on Avalon following this thread, whether members or guests, they've had 7 weeks to brace themselves and prepare for what was about to happen, logistically and emotionally. That makes a big difference.

    This has been my main mission in all this. We have to do together what Avalon does so well, so often, which is to educate and empower, as best we all can.

    I've written many times now about the analogy of standing on the beach in Thailand or Indonesia in December 2004 staring at the sea as it suddenly retreated half a mile.

    If you know exactly what that means, standing and staring doesn't help: you've got about 5 minutes max to get yourself and your family to high ground. Later on, we can spend more time figuring out how and why the 9.0 earthquake in the sea bed happened.

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    I can't help but wondering.... what happens after an infected area like Wuhan that has allegedly gotten the infection under control resumes activity. Once others are allowed to enter the area the infection process will just resume. People are acting like once successfully stopping this it is the end of the trouble. Large amounts of people weren't infected, even in places like Wuhan. It seems this process will just continue till enough people get sick and there is a sort of herd immunity. That is not even factoring in the fact that this thing will mutate into another strain(s).

    Any idea? I'm really not trying to be negative here, but.....
    Wuhan is the first case study of a large community that's been pretty much ordered (or PR-deceived) into resuming work and normal life. I don't think for a moment that things are normal, or safe in any way at all. We may only really learn the ACTUAL outcome of that many months from now.

    The very fact that the Chinese have cracked down on social media even more tells its own story. If things really were all fine now, they'd be encouraging the citizen journalists to report it to the world.

    The situation is that the Chinese HAD to restart their economy. Or else — at least! — people would start to starve, including the leadership. I'm not assuming for a moment that the CCP cares at all about any other Chinese citizen. They're brutal dictators.

    What that all means is that we really don't know yet what will happen if a society tries to resume normality after an apparent drop in cases. We don't yet really know
    • If people can be re-infected.
    • If such a re-infection may be more serious than the first wave.
    • If the virus will mutate (as some evidence suggests it already has done).
    There's a LOT that's not yet understood. At first, it seemed only the elderly and infirm were really vulnerable. Now there are more and more reported cases of younger, healthier people (but still not children or teenagers) who are being hit by this. And some people appear to be just felled by this in a really short period. Some die within days, even if they were initially healthy.

    That's like something out of a scary movie. It's not behaving consistently round the world, and that should worry the health professionals a lot as they try to understand what the heck they're dealing with.

    The best defense is still not to get it. And that means taking great personal care... a lot of attention to detail. Even if that doesn't come naturally, it can be learned, and a family doing that together, and kind of having fun about it, can make it all much more palatable.

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    Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/j...on-coronavirus

    Just adds more suspicion to the whole preplanned thing.
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    Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/j...on-coronavirus
    Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

    There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

    But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

    That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

    What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.

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    First of all, Bill, I want to thank you for being the backbone of this most important thread. I also want to thank everyone else that has provided thoughtful, intelligent and balanced information. I think we have covered all aspects of this very well. We are living through most astonishing times and I am so happy that this thoughtful documentation has been assembled. I am also extending deep gratitude to Chris Martenson for providing us with cutting edge information about the process of a pandemic and for finding the the best fact based information that is available to us not to forget other citizen journalists that have provided expertise and knowledge.

    I can imagine the fear and panic of those that thought this was just going to go away or denied (or are still denying)the implications of this event. For those of us that dared to look we have been rewarded with the confidence of being prepared. It really is a good, solid feeling. We will walk through this and be all the stronger for it one day at a time.

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    Quote Posted by Metaphor (here)
    Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/j...on-coronavirus
    Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

    There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

    But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

    That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

    What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.
    I see a huge amount of complacency in my community because there is no official record of it being in our county yet. Most people do not understand that there has been no testing at all here, that I know of. They feel like it is all happening in Seattle and they are safe. The only thing I noticed was all the TP was sold out. They are relying on the government to tell them when the virus is present in our area. This will not have a good outcome. I drove by the gym and it is still packed, all the stores seem to have average crowds. No signs at all of social distancing or masks. I doesn't appear behaviors will change in the least until we get "official" cases. This blind reliance on the nanny state will be the detriment of many.

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    Here in Canada, Ontario schools have just been shut down until April 5.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-to...emic-1.4850654

    Now the dominoes are beginning to fall. The NBA and NHL seasons suspended. Schools closed. What's next?

    I just came back from the post office in this small town - many people out and about. One guy carrying a big package of toilet paper. The grocery store parking lot had more cars in it than I have ever seen, so I expect that it will be depleted of goods fairly quick.

    I think people will be scared and start to run around and panic shop for goods. It remains to be seen how people's minds are working. Will we see more compassion and neighborly actions? Or will there be pushing and shoving as people rush to get the last loaf of bread?

    I just got my pay cheque so I need to get to the bank and then buy some things myself. I will let you know what I witness.

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    Today in France and Spain the entire school system was shut down. The news came suddenly as it was predicted to start the following Monday. Today outside the school gates people were scared, very scared! I popped into the supermarket afterwards only to encounter panic buying and empty shelves.

    However, tonight on social media the penny is dropping. No school for 2-4 weeks also means no socialising, no playdates or park time. I have cancelled every future social event. I am going into lockdown. We only have one opportunity to stop this virus in its track! The sooner every Country goes into shutdown, the sooner we start to gain the upper hand in the fight.

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    Quote Posted by Patient (here)
    The NBA has announced that it has cancelled the season due to the virus.
    Today another large top level tennis tournament in the US (Miami Open) was canceled. One week earlier the Indian Wells Masters in California was canceled. Now several top level tennis tournaments in Europe in May will probably postponed or canceled as well ...

    Quote The Miami Open has become the latest sporting event cancelled due to the growing outbreak of the coronavirus, declared a pandemic Wednesday by the World Health Organisation, with the ATP Tour suspending play for the next six weeks.
    https://lastwordontennis.com/2020/03...d-coronavirus/

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    Pretty awful news from Iran. (Some estimates of the crisis there have put the number of cases as high as 2 million.)
    Satellite images show Iran has dug mass graves amid coronavirus outbreak
    12 March, 2020

    Trenches in city of Qom confirm worst fears about extent of the epidemic and the government’s subsequent cover-up.

    Satellite images of mass graves in the city of Qom suggest Iran’s coronavirus epidemic is even more serious than the authorities are admitting.

    The pictures, first published by the New York Times, show the excavation of a new section in a cemetery on the northern fringe of Iran’s holy city in late February, and two long trenches dug, of a total length of 100 yards, by the end of the month.

    They confirm the worst fears about the extent of the epidemic and the government’s subsequent cover-up. On 24 February, at the time the trenches were being dug, a legislator from Qom, 75 miles (120 km) south of Tehran, accused the health ministry of lying about the scale of the outbreak, saying there had already been 50 deaths in the city, at a time when the ministry was claiming only 12 people had died from the virus nationwide.

    The deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, held a press conference to “categorically deny” the allegations, but he was clearly sweating and coughing as he did so. The next day, Harirchi confirmed that he had tested positive for the Covid-19 virus.

    Since then, members of Iranian parliament, the Majlis, a former diplomat and a senior adviser to the Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, have died. Another Khamenei adviser and one of the most powerful voices in Iranian foreign policy, Ali Akbar Velayati, was reported on Thursday to have been infected. The top ranks of Iran’s clerical leadership are particularly vulnerable because of their advanced age.

    According to the latest health ministry figures, more than 10,000 Iranians have fallen ill from the virus and 429 have died.

    Amir Afkhami, who has written a history of Iran’s experience of cholera epidemics, A Modern Contagion, said the mass graves add weight to suspicions the real mortality figures are much higher and are still being covered by the leadership.

    “It doesn’t surprise me that they are now trying to create mass graves and trying to hide the actual extent of the impact of the disease,” Dr Afkhami, an associate professor at George Washington University, said.

    He added that the close trading partnership between Iran and China, and the government’s fear of disrupting that partnership had contributed to the early and rapid spread of the disease.

    “Because of China’s status as the country’s principal commercial partner, the Iranian government took inadequate cautionary measures to restrict and monitor travelers from China,” Dr Afkhami said. “Then, later on, Tehran’s lack of transparency and unwillingness to take robust measures such as social distancing and quarantine, particularly at the epicenter of the outbreak, helped spread the virus.”
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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Mr Globalist brownnose himself posing as infected... https://globalnews.ca/news/6666482/j...on-coronavirus
    Actually, this (the following) is something no-one's commented about yet, as best I know.

    There are quite a few politicians, in North America and Europe (not to mention Iran!) who have tested positive for the virus. And also several sports celebrities, and now Tom Hanks and his wife. There may be many more that you or I don't know about yet.

    But celebrities, sportspeople and politicians are a TINY % of the population. Yet we have a cluster of those already.

    That's certainly because if they ASK to be tested, no-one's going to say No. But 'No' has been the reply to countless thousands of regular people in many countries.

    What that strongly suggests is that the real numbers in the outbreak are FAR FAR greater than anyone knows yet.
    I see a huge amount of complacency in my community because there is no official record of it being in our county yet. Most people do not understand that there has been no testing at all here, that I know of. They feel like it is all happening in Seattle and they are safe. The only thing I noticed was all the TP was sold out. They are relying on the government to tell them when the virus is present in our area. This will not have a good outcome. I drove by the gym and it is still packed, all the stores seem to have average crowds. No signs at all of social distancing or masks. I doesn't appear behaviors will change in the least until we get "official" cases. This blind reliance on the nanny state will be the detriment of many.
    I went to my local Dollar General to buy some laundry detergent this PM. Vitamin C, Zinc, and elderberry gummies were out. TP was very low (what IS that about TP?). I am concerned for my community. In general everything economic in my community is around tourism. Knowing that we have the fork with at least two prongs (health, economic) about to hit the back side will generally drive up fight as you cannot flee the issue.

    I have been so confused by the CONTINUED insistence that this is just a psyop. I see the way it will be used. I betcha a lot of people don't care as long as it effects someone else. Many think they won't be touched but I think it is a real threat. Younger people are already (many of them) unhealthy. I see some people like Dr. Shiva back off from his pure rant to include the need to shore up the immune system for a real virus. Trump now he is calling the virus "dangerous" wants us to believe he cares.

    I feel much less anxious now I am voluntarily isolating. #STFH


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    Here's a pretty useful piece of information, just published by a Princeton team. (However, note: it's not peer-reviewed yet.)
    Summary: The virus can remain viable "in aerosols up to 3 hours, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel".

    The aerosol info is very interesting. That matches with a recent report (apologies: I forget the country or the reference) that one person had been infected by boarding a bus from which the pre-infected patient had already disembarked, their seat nowhere near the newly infected person. In other words, they weren't even on the bus together at the same time. The virus was just hanging in the air.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The virus was just hanging in the air.
    may this Virus can spread like a Spore on dust suspended in the air

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    Viruses are known to infect almost any kind of host that has living cells. Animals, plants, fungi, and bacteria are all subject to viral infection. But viruses tend to be somewhat particular about what type of cells they infect.

    Sometimes, a virus may infect one creature and do no harm, but cause havoc when it gets into a different but closely related creature.

    Spores are tiny single cells that are usually very resistant to environmental changes. They can remain dormant for long periods of time until the conditions are right for them to develop.

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    It is healthy to have a knee jerk reaction and this has saved lives. The last thing we want is a crisis that is unfolding faster than the concern about it....


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    The article below describes how Taiwan is containing the Covid-19 outbreak in the country. While the outbreak in other countries has grown the past few weeks, the number of people who have been tested as positive for Covid-19 has stabilized at 49 as of date. To make quarantine process easier on the people effected, the Taiwan government pays for food, lodging and medical care. Imagine how more effective the quarantine process would be if other governments is willing to pay for all this for its quarantined people. Granted the number of quarantined people in Taipei is probably very low vs other countries. Taiwan has very affordable high quality medical care vs other national governments. A typical non-critical emergency room visit for even uninsured person would be less than $200 USD. Taiwan has implemented many lessons learned during the 2003 SARS outbreak into its infrastructure. While many countries are resorting to draconian measures of locking down entire cities or regions, Taiwan uses distributed screening measures at entry points for mass transit such as the metro rail system and railroad stations as well as at all the country's airport terminals by scanning people's temperature and the screeners wearing comprehensive protective gears.

    The following video also explain how researchers in Taiwan has developed a test for Covid-19 that only takes 15 minutes:


    Quote “You can get a free test, and if you’re forced to be isolated, during the 14 days, we pay for your food, lodging and medical care,” Kolas said. “So no one would avoid seeing the doctor because they can’t pay for health care.”
    What Taiwan can teach the world on fighting the coronavirus

    Analysis: Taiwan put lessons it learned during the 2003 SARS outbreak to good use, and this time its government and people were prepared.

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    The building manager monitors temperatures of bank customers before they enter a bank in Taiwan.Cindy Sui / NBC News

    March 10, 2020, 5:28 AM EDT
    By Cindy Sui

    TAIPEI, Taiwan — As countries around the world grapple with the coronavirus, Taiwan may offer valuable lessons on how to curb its spread.

    The island is just 81 miles and a short flight away from mainland China, where COVID-19 is believed to have originated in the city of Wuhan. As the outbreak took hold in January, many Taiwanese business people and their families based in China were returning to celebrate the Lunar New Year, and up to 2,000 Chinese tourists a day visited the island, potentially bringing the virus with them.

    And yet, Taiwan has had only 47 cases of COVID-19 and one death as of Tuesday — far fewer than China’s 80,754 cases and 3,136 deaths, a stark contrast even when taking into account the enormous population difference: Taiwan’s 23 million to China’s 1.4 billion. Taiwan’s numbers are also much lower than neighboring countries such as South Korea, which has had more than 7,500 cases, and Japan, with 530. It’s also faring better than countries much farther away from China, such as Italy, with more than 9,000 cases, and the United States, which has over 700.

    Of the 100-plus countries and territories affected, Taiwan has the lowest incidence rate per capita — around 1 in every 500,000 people — for a place that is located so close to China and with so much travel to and from.

    What lessons can Taiwan teach the world so other countries can stem the spread of the virus?


    Schoolchildren use plastic dividers at a school in Taiwan.Courtesy of the Da Jia Elementary School

    Be alert and proactive

    Partly because it’s near China and speaks the same language, Taiwan learned early that a “severe pneumonia” was spreading in Wuhan. But it was the proactive measures the island took that helped it avert a major outbreak.

    On Dec. 31, the same day China notified the World Health Organization that it had several cases of an unknown pneumonia, Taiwan’s Centers for Disease Control immediately ordered inspections of passengers arriving on flights from Wuhan.

    And despite poor relations with Beijing, Taiwan asked and received permission to send a team of experts to the mainland on a fact-finding mission Jan. 12.

    “They didn’t let us see what they didn’t want us to see, but our experts sensed the situation was not optimistic,” government spokesperson Kolas Yotaka told NBC News.

    Shortly after the team returned, Taiwan began requiring hospitals to test for and report cases. That helped the government identify those infected, trace their contacts and isolate everyone involved, preventing the virus from spreading to the community.

    All this happened long before Taiwan confirmed its first case Jan. 21 and the rest of the world became alarmed.

    Setup a command center

    Equally important, Taiwan's CDC activated the Central Epidemic Command Center relatively early on Jan. 20 and that allowed it to quickly roll out a series of epidemic control measures, according to Stanford Health Policy’s Jason Wang, a pediatrics professor who also has a doctorate in policy analysis.

    “Taiwan has rapidly produced and implemented a list of at least 124 action items in the past five weeks — that’s three to four per day — to protect public health,” Wang said in an email. “The policies and actions go beyond border control because they recognized that that’s not enough.”

    Headed by Health Minister Chen Shih-chung, the command center not only investigates confirmed and suspected cases, it also works with ministries and local governments to coordinate the response across Taiwan, including allocating funds, mobilizing personnel and advising on the disinfection of schools.

    Take quick and decisive action
    Taiwan also took tough action early. On Jan. 26, five days after it confirmed its first case, Taiwan banned arrivals from Wuhan, earlier than any other country.

    Not long after, it did the same for flights from all but a handful of Chinese cities, and only Taiwanese people were allowed to fly in.

    Use technology to detect and track cases

    After securing its borders, Taiwan used technology to fight the virus. Temperature monitors were already set up at airports after the 2003 SARS outbreak to detect anyone with a fever, a symptom of coronavirus.

    Passengers can also scan a QR code and report their travel history and health symptoms online. That data is then given directly to Taiwan’s CDC.

    Those coming from badly affected areas are put under mandatory 14-day home quarantine, even if they are not sick, and are tracked using location sharing on their mobile phone. Absconding can lead to heavy fines.

    That also goes for not reporting symptoms.

    One man who didn’t tell the authorities he had symptoms after he returned from Wuhan and went to a dance club the next day was fined $10,000.

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    The authorities in Taiwan also quickly determine whom the confirmed cases had been in contact with, and then test them, and put them in home quarantine.

    “They also proactively find new cases by retesting those who tested negative,” Wang said.

    Ensure availability of supplies

    To ensure a steady supply of masks, the government quickly banned manufacturers from exporting them, implemented a rationing system and set the price at just 16 cents each.

    It also set up new production lines and dispatched soldiers to staff factories, significantly increasing production.

    These masks are the tools for residents in Taiwan’s densely populated cities to protect themselves; they made them feel safe and not panic.

    Educate the public

    The government also asked television and radio stations to broadcast hourly public service announcements on how the virus is spread, the importance of washing hands properly, and when to wear a mask.

    “We think only when information is transparent, and people have sufficient medical knowledge, will their fear be reduced,” Kolas, the government spokeswoman, said.

    Residents learned that most patients had mild or no symptoms, so the death rate could be lower than what was reported. They also understood that a person’s travel history or contact with infected individuals determined their risk level, not their nationality or race. That understanding helped reduce discrimination.

    Get public buy-in

    The public’s cooperation with the government’s recommended measures was crucial to prevent the spread of the virus, including among students, school principal Tu Chen-yang said.

    “More than 95 percent of our parents take their child’s temperature at home and report it to the school before the children arrive,” Tu said. “Regardless of what the government does, people have to take responsibility for their own health.”

    Bank building manager Nature Lin echoed such views, as he checked the temperature of employees arriving for work,on a detection camera set up in the lobby.

    “We were already stocking up on alcohol disinfectants and temperature guns during the holiday,” he said.

    Practically every office building, school and community sports center check temperatures and prevent anyone with a fever from entering. Apartment buildings also place hand sanitizer inside or outside elevators.


    Commuters travel on the subway in Taiwan.Cindy Sui / NBC News

    Learn from experience

    Taiwan was able to put the lessons it learned during the SARS outbreak in 2003 to good use. That epidemic ended up killing 73 people and hurting the economy.

    This time, Taiwan's government and people were prepared, and that readiness has helped push up President Tsai Ing-wen’s approval rating.

    Last but not the least, Kolas said that she believes the country’s health insurance system, which covers 99 percent of the population, has been crucial to fighting the spread of the outbreak.

    “Taiwan’s health insurance lets everyone not be afraid to go to the hospital. If you suspect you have coronavirus, you won’t have to worry that you can’t afford the hospital visit to get tested,” she said.

    “You can get a free test, and if you’re forced to be isolated, during the 14 days, we pay for your food, lodging and medical care,” Kolas said. “So no one would avoid seeing the doctor because they can’t pay for health care.”
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's a pretty useful piece of information, just published by a Princeton team. (However, note: it's not peer-reviewed yet.)
    Summary: The virus can remain viable "in aerosols up to 3 hours, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel".

    The aerosol info is very interesting. That matches with a recent report (apologies: I forget the country or the reference) that one person had been infected by boarding a bus from which the pre-infected patient had already disembarked, their seat nowhere near the newly infected person. In other words, they weren't even on the bus together at the same time. The virus was just hanging in the air.
    What about on a handrail, the seat, anything the person may have touched and then rubbed an eye or whatever?

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