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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    I don't know what other governments are doing to throw a lifeline to the average workers, but here in the US the banks and Wall Street are getting trillions at the blink of an eye, while they dither about how many hoops the rest have to jump through in order to maybe get a one time check.
    My government (Canada) and many others are offering monetary 'assistance' for this crisis.

    But let's not fool ourselves.

    Where do the governments get their money? They'll give us a handout and then tax it right back into their coffers.
    They're NOT offering us a free lunch!
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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I don't see this posted anywhere on the forum yet
    from www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/2020-03/EXPANDED%20EMERGENCY%20DECLARATION%20UNDER%2049%20CFR%20%C2%A7%20390.23%20No.%202020-002.pdf

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    EXPANDED EMERGENCY DECLARATION UNDER 49 CFR § 390.23 No. 2020-002.pdf

    Federal Motor Carrier
    Safety Administration



    March 18, 2020

    EXP ANDED EMERGENCY DECLARATION
    UNDER 49 CFR § 390.23
    No. 2020-002

    THE FIFTY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

    The President has declared a nationwide emergency pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 5191(b), and
    pursuant to 49 CFR § 390.23(a)(l)(i) , an emergency exists that warrants an exemption from Parts
    390 through 399 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR), except as otherwise
    restricted by this Emergency Declaration. Such emergency is in response to Coronavirus
    Disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreaks and their effects on people and the immediate risk they
    present to public health, safety and welfare in the fifty States and the District of Columbia . This
    Declaration addresses National emergency conditions that create a need for immediate
    transportation of essential supplies, equipment and persons, and provides necessary relief from
    the FM CSR for motor carriers and drivers engaged in the transport of essential supplies,
    equipment and persons .

    By execution of this Emergency Declaration, motor carriers and drivers providing direct
    assistance in support of relief efforts related to the COVID-19 outbreaks are granted emergency
    relief from Parts 390 through 399 of the FMCSR, except as restricted herein. Direct assistance
    means transportation and other relief services provided by a motor carrier or its driver(s) incident
    to the immediate restoration of essential services (such as medical care) or essential supplies
    (such as food and fuel) related to COVID-19 outbreaks during the emergency.

    This Emergency Declaration provides regulatory relief for commercial motor vehicle operations
    providing direct assistance in support of emergency relief efforts related to the COVID-19
    outbreaks, including transportation to meet immediate needs for: (1) medical supplies and
    equipment related to the testing, diagnosis and treatment of COVID-19; (2) supplies and
    equipment necessary for community safety, sanitation, and prevention of community
    transmission of COVID-19 such as masks , gloves , hand sanitizer , soap and disinfectants;
    (3) food, paper products and other groceries for emergency restocking of distribution centers or
    stores; (4) immediate precursor raw materials-such as paper, plastic or alcohol-that are
    required and to be used for the manufacture of items in categories (1), (2) or (3); (5) fuel;
    (6) equipment , supplies and persons necessar y to establish and manage temporary housing,
    quarantine , and isolation facilities related to COVID-19; (7) persons designated by Federal , State
    or local authorities for medical , isolation , or quarantine purposes ; and (8) persons necessary to
    provide other medical or emergency services , the supply of which may be affected by the
    COVID-19 response. Direct assistance does not include routine commercial deliveries,
    including mixed loads with a nominal quantity of qualifying emergency relief added to obtain the
    benefits of this emergency declaration.

    Direct assistance terminates when a driver or commercial motor vehicle is used in interstate
    commerce to transport cargo or provide services that are not in support of emergency relief
    efforts related to the COVID-19 outbreaks or when the motor carrier dispatches a driver or
    commercial motor vehicle to another location to begin operations in commerce. 49 CFR §
    390.23(b). Upon termination of direct assistance to emergency relief efforts related to the
    COVID-19 outbreaks, the motor carrier and driver are subject to the requirements of 49 CFR
    Parts 390 through 399, except that a driver may return empty to the motor carrier's terminal or
    the driver's normal work reporting location without complying with Parts 390 through 399.
    However, if the driver informs the motor carrier that he or she needs immediate rest, the driver
    must be permitted at least 10 consecutive hours off duty before the driver is required to return to
    the motor carrier's terminal or the driver's normal reporting location. Once the driver has
    returned to the terminal or the driver's normal reporting location, the driver must be relieved of
    all duty and responsibilities and must receive a minimum of 10 hours off duty if transporting
    property, and 8 hours if transporting passengers.

    Nothing contained in this Emergency Declaration shall be construed as an exemption from the
    controlled substances and alcohol use and testing requirements (49 CFR Part 382), the
    commercial driver's license requirements (49 CFR Part 383), the financial responsibility
    (insurance) requirements ( 49 CFR Part 3 87), the hazardous material regulations (49 CFR Parts
    100-180), applicable size and weight requirements, or any other portion of the regulations not
    specifically exempted under to 49 CFR § 390.23.

    Motor carriers or drivers currently subject to an out-of-service order are not eligible for the relief
    granted by this declaration until they have met the applicable conditions for its rescission and the
    order has been rescinded by FMCSA.

    In accordance with 49 CFR § 390.23, this declaration is effective immediately and shall remain
    in effect until the termination of the emergency (as defined in 49 CFR § 390.5) or until 11:59
    P.M. (ET) on April 12, 2020, whichever occurs sooner.




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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Just a little offering --

    Yesterday in a parking lot I saw a bumper sticker BSTILL

    Today, a walk on the beach, a feeling kind of comes to me --- there is a very large amount of pure postive love energy there for us now. Just feel your way into it. Be still. And when fears come up, again go into there. It's here for us.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    …. Great discussion featuring a great voice of reason: Jon Rappoport

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6quXPWR4Ro

    … my interest was peaked in the first 5 minutes when he reported what the head of the Italian institute of health stated....

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    It is reported by Iran International news that there was an official cut out scene (or maybe not cut out?) from Iran’s supreme leader’s speech about the virus during the new year telling that we have human enemies and non human enemies working together (referring to them as jinns) and attacking the country this has went viral as a laugh stock for ordinary folk

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-CEeJFA..._web_copy_link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

    And troops are beginning to show up here on the street too with the excuse of preparing and marching against a biological attack
    By official info we have lost 24 doctors 13 nurses and 12 health staff, unofficial claims say more than 170 doctors and nurses infected in just one city of Qom
    Last edited by carnavas; 23rd March 2020 at 09:48. Reason: Adding info

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    Quote Posted by carnavas (here)
    It is reported by Iran International news that there was an official cut out scene (or maybe not cut out?) from Iran’s supreme leader’s speech about the virus during the new year telling that we have human enemies and non human enemies working together (referring to them as jinns) and attacking the country this has went viral as a laugh stock for ordinary folk

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-CEeJFA..._web_copy_link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

    And troops are beginning to show up here on the street too with the excuse of preparing and marching against a biological attack
    By official info we have lost 24 doctors 13 nurses and 12 health staff, unofficial claims say more than 170 doctors and nurses infected in just one city of Qom
    do you have a source?

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    denmark passes mandatory vaccine law

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1259474/pg1

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    My brother tested positive for Covid-19 and is happy for me to share what he wrote to me. He's in Italy.
    Please read this - there are still way way too many people in denial about this at the moment.
    "Big guy,

    They didn’t do a full test in the end as my vitals were showing I was recovering already - I’ve been in quarantine for the last two weeks anyway. I had all the symptoms, (although they started off so minor I didn’t notice them and passed them off as fatigue from skiing etc) and the Dr is pretty certain I had it, albeit my body seemed to have fought it off before it got too serious. I knew it was serious when I had an aversion to booze.

    Today has been the first day that I have managed to breathe easily so I seem to be on the mend. Dr wants to monitor me just in case it comes back. I have been very lucky - it’s taken a couple of weeks to get over it and my symptoms were never that bad (to put it into perspective I have had worse hangovers). This region has been ravaged though nearly 3,500 dead and no signs of it slowing up (in fact the rate is still increasing).

    I genuinely fear for the UK because they have been so blasé about their response and I think it will be worse there. [my emphasis] I am also bloody glad I am not there right now. The Italians are at least disciplined enough to only buy what they need from the shops and rest safely knowing that they can come back and buy their next load of shopping because nobody is hoarding or panic buying - the shelves have remained well stocked throughout.

    Keep safe and stay the **** away from everyone."


    And he's happy to let everyone know this, too:

    "Probably worth linking the fact that I am relatively fit (I am a British Paratrooper after all) and had just spent 8 days training at altitude in the mountains so I think I had a good starting point. Walking up the stairs still felt like I had given a best effort 100m sprint, I was struggling for air and my body felt the oxygen deprivation."
    I've asked him some further general questions about the testing and will update on a new post when he can let me know a little more about how, and what, they did do, and how they'll be monitoring.

    Last edited by Tintin; 23rd March 2020 at 11:49.
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    Quote Posted by Phoenix (here)
    Quote Posted by carnavas (here)
    It is reported by Iran International news that there was an official cut out scene (or maybe not cut out?) from Iran’s supreme leader’s speech about the virus during the new year telling that we have human enemies and non human enemies working together (referring to them as jinns) and attacking the country this has went viral as a laugh stock for ordinary folk

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-CEeJFA..._web_copy_link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

    And troops are beginning to show up here on the street too with the excuse of preparing and marching against a biological attack
    By official info we have lost 24 doctors 13 nurses and 12 health staff, unofficial claims say more than 170 doctors and nurses infected in just one city of Qom
    do you have a source?

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    denmark passes mandatory vaccine law

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1259474/pg1
    It’s not cut out of the speech, jump to 20:31

    Last edited by carnavas; 23rd March 2020 at 11:57.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    My brother tested positive for Covid-19 and is happy for me to share what he wrote to me. He's in Italy.
    Please read this - there are still way way too many people in denial about this at the moment.
    "Big guy,

    They didn’t do a full test in the end as my vitals were showing I was recovering already - I’ve been in quarantine for the last two weeks anyway. I had all the symptoms, (although they started off so minor I didn’t notice them and passed them off as fatigue from skiing etc) and the Dr is pretty certain I had it, albeit my body seemed to have fought it off before it got too serious. I knew it was serious when I had an aversion to booze.

    Today has been the first day that I have managed to breathe easily so I seem to be on the mend. Dr wants to monitor me just in case it comes back. I have been very lucky - it’s taken a couple of weeks to get over it and my symptoms were never that bad (to put it into perspective I have had worse hangovers). This region has been ravaged though nearly 3,500 dead and no signs of it slowing up (in fact the rate is still increasing).

    I genuinely fear for the UK because they have been so blasé about their response and I think it will be worse there. [my emphasis] I am also bloody glad I am not there right now. The Italians are at least disciplined enough to only buy what they need from the shops and rest safely knowing that they can come back and buy their next load of shopping because nobody is hoarding or panic buying - the shelves have remained well stocked throughout.

    Keep safe and stay the **** away from everyone."


    And he's happy to let everyone know this, too:

    "Probably worth linking the fact that I am relatively fit (I am a British Paratrooper after all) and had just spent 8 days training at altitude in the mountains so I think I had a good starting point. Walking up the stairs still felt like I had given a best effort 100m sprint, I was struggling for air and my body felt the oxygen deprivation."
    I've asked him some further general questions about the testing and will update on a new post when he can let me know a little more about how, and what, they did do, and how they'll be monitoring.

    UPDATE, as promised:

    [name]:
    1/ How did they test you for the virus?
    2/ Did they use a CT scan of your lungs to look for ground glass opacities?
    3/ What are they monitoring for now?
    4/ Which part of Italy are you based in at the moment?
    And his response:
    1. So in terms of tests, the hazmat team came to my house and ran some obs / vitals - my temperature was fine, and my blood oxygen saturation level was at 98%. ECG was usual for me (different compared to the norm due to the amount of physical activity I do). Because everything indicated that I was not in the danger zone, they did not waste a swab test on me. I was already in isolation so I was left to self monitor and notify if symptoms got worse.

    2. Hospitals are overwhelmed here, there are thousands in ICU (most major hospitals in London only have about 60 ICU beds - you do the maths - every available space is being used to try and keep people alive) so if there is no strong reason to take you in then they won’t. I did not meet the criteria to waste resources on. (We had 793 fatalities on Saturday). I also agree, I would rather keep an eye on myself in a sterile environment where my conditions are manageable than be an unnecessary burden on a system that is getting thrashed and doing its very best to keep people alive. Note I emphasise ‘keep people alive’ because that is all that can be done. In the case of the 4825 fatalities (as of yesterday morning) they were not able to (90% of which were over 60 and 98% had underlying conditions. That means 10% were younger than 60 and 2% had nothing wrong with them at all so the virus was completely to blame for their deaths, 18 of those fatalities were Drs who contracted the virus whilst treating patients).

    3. I do a twice daily temperature check and message my Dr. I was happy to cease doing so as I have not had a fever for a week, however as a precaution he wants me to continue because there have been cases where light symptoms have gone away and returned much worse.

    4. I live in Varese, just north of Milan, right in Lombardy. This part of Lombardy has been relatively lightly hit in comparison to 15 mins down the road. Bergamo, Brescia and Milan are in a bad way. Our local hospital has been preserved as a dedicated trauma only hospital thus maintaining some capability to deal with normal A&E (life still goes on, babies are still being born etc). All virus-related illnesses are moved to every other hospital / casualty collection centre in the region.
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    My brother tested positive for Covid-19 and is happy for me to share what he wrote to me. He's in Italy.
    Please read this - there are still way way too many people in denial about this at the moment.
    "Big guy,

    They didn’t do a full test in the end as my vitals were showing I was recovering already - I’ve been in quarantine for the last two weeks anyway. I had all the symptoms, (although they started off so minor I didn’t notice them and passed them off as fatigue from skiing etc) and the Dr is pretty certain I had it, albeit my body seemed to have fought it off before it got too serious. I knew it was serious when I had an aversion to booze.

    Today has been the first day that I have managed to breathe easily so I seem to be on the mend. Dr wants to monitor me just in case it comes back. I have been very lucky - it’s taken a couple of weeks to get over it and my symptoms were never that bad (to put it into perspective I have had worse hangovers). This region has been ravaged though nearly 3,500 dead and no signs of it slowing up (in fact the rate is still increasing).

    I genuinely fear for the UK because they have been so blasé about their response and I think it will be worse there. [my emphasis] I am also bloody glad I am not there right now. The Italians are at least disciplined enough to only buy what they need from the shops and rest safely knowing that they can come back and buy their next load of shopping because nobody is hoarding or panic buying - the shelves have remained well stocked throughout.

    Keep safe and stay the **** away from everyone."


    And he's happy to let everyone know this, too:
    "Probably worth linking the fact that I am relatively fit (I am a British Paratrooper after all) and had just spent 8 days training at altitude in the mountains so I think I had a good starting point. Walking up the stairs still felt like I had given a best effort 100m sprint, I was struggling for air and my body felt the oxygen deprivation."
    I've asked him some further general questions about the testing and will update on a new post when he can let me know a little more about how, and what, they did do, and how they'll be monitoring.

    UPDATE, as promised:

    [name]:
    1/ How did they test you for the virus?
    2/ Did they use a CT scan of your lungs to look for ground glass opacities?
    3/ What are they monitoring for now?
    4/ Which part of Italy are you based in at the moment?
    And his response:
    1. So in terms of tests, the hazmat team came to my house and ran some obs / vitals - my temperature was fine, and my blood oxygen saturation level was at 98%. ECG was usual for me (different compared to the norm due to the amount of physical activity I do). Because everything indicated that I was not in the danger zone, they did not waste a swab test on me. I was already in isolation so I was left to self monitor and notify if symptoms got worse.

    2. Hospitals are overwhelmed here, there are thousands in ICU (most major hospitals in London only have about 60 ICU beds - you do the maths - every available space is being used to try and keep people alive) so if there is no strong reason to take you in then they won’t. I did not meet the criteria to waste resources on. (We had 793 fatalities on Saturday). I also agree, I would rather keep an eye on myself in a sterile environment where my conditions are manageable than be an unnecessary burden on a system that is getting thrashed and doing its very best to keep people alive. Note I emphasise ‘keep people alive’ because that is all that can be done. In the case of the 4825 fatalities (as of yesterday morning) they were not able to (90% of which were over 60 and 98% had underlying conditions. That means 10% were younger than 60 and 2% had nothing wrong with them at all so the virus was completely to blame for their deaths, 18 of those fatalities were Drs who contracted the virus whilst treating patients).

    3. I do a twice daily temperature check and message my Dr. I was happy to cease doing so as I have not had a fever for a week, however as a precaution he wants me to continue because there have been cases where light symptoms have gone away and returned much worse.

    4. I live in Varese, just north of Milan, right in Lombardy. This part of Lombardy has been relatively lightly hit in comparison to 15 mins down the road. Bergamo, Brescia and Milan are in a bad way. Our local hospital has been preserved as a dedicated trauma only hospital thus maintaining some capability to deal with normal A&E (life still goes on, babies are still being born etc). All virus-related illnesses are moved to every other hospital / casualty collection centre in the region.
    is he overweight/obese? does he smoke? does he have diabetes or any other diseases?

    no disrespect intended
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    is he overweight/obese? does he smoke? does he have diabetes or any other diseases?
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    no disrespect intended

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    .....I am relatively fit (I am a British Paratrooper after all) and had just spent 8 days training at altitude in the mountains so I think I had a good starting point.....
    This case sounds suspiciously similar to what I experienced except that I had mild fever. Of course I’m no longer at the level of physical conditioning as this fellow. I'm 70 and now have heart problems due to electrical conduction - thus pacemaker. The symptoms went away and so far so good.

    Symptoms began approx. 03/14 with some minor dizziness followed by mild fever and then chest pains not associated with heart but with breathing. As of 03/20 the symptoms have gone away. But this incident did make me obviously ill and concerned.

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    None taken ( ), but, what do you think the answers to your questions might be?
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    None taken ( ), but, what do you think the answers to your questions might be?
    well i've heard of zero confirmed cases of people that were seriously ill that had ZERO comorbid health issues. i've read every post on this thread

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    I saw a picture just now of some kids in the bleachers watching a local baseball game.

    The photo was from a few years ago.

    My mind immediately said "WOW ISNT IT WEIRD HOW CLOSE THEYRE SITTING NEAR EACHOTHER"

    ....we're f*cked

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    None taken ( ), but, what do you think the answers to your questions might be?
    well i've heard of zero confirmed cases of people that were seriously ill that had ZERO comorbid health issues. i've read every post on this thread
    Announced 13 hours ago:

    ~~~
    Olympic gold medalist with coronavirus says its 'by far the worst virus I have ever endured'

    Retired South African swimmer Cameron van der Burgh, the 2012 Olympic 100-meter breaststroke champion, says he has coronavirus.

    In a series of tweets on Sunday, the 31-year-old discussed dealing with the illness, calling it "by far the worst virus I have ever endured."

    We might assume that Cameron van der Burgh is (otherwise) in great shape, with no underlying conditions..

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    i've read every post on this thread
    My lord! That in itself should provide you FULL Immunity from that thing ... what's it called...

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    no disrespect intended
    None taken ( ), but, what do you think the answers to your questions might be?
    well i've heard of zero confirmed cases of people that were seriously ill that had ZERO comorbid health issues. i've read every post on this thread
    Announced 13 hours ago:

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    Olympic gold medalist with coronavirus says its 'by far the worst virus I have ever endured'

    Retired South African swimmer Cameron van der Burgh, the 2012 Olympic 100-meter breaststroke champion, says he has coronavirus.

    In a series of tweets on Sunday, the 31-year-old discussed dealing with the illness, calling it "by far the worst virus I have ever endured."

    We might assume that Cameron van der Burgh is (otherwise) in great shape, with no underlying conditions..
    okay, that's 1 case. i want to see 100+

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    There's a guy (I think) who's been posting many interesting comments under Jon Rappoport's recent series of articles. Calls himself J.B. He's a big skeptic of this whole thing and even questions that "viruses," which he sees as being inherent to the body as only a defensive posture, can be transferred from person to person. He apparently has a large knowledge of biology and chemistry and certainly an Alternative view of modern medicine.

    Here's a response of his to someone today expressing concern about what's happening near them:


    You’re going to have to separate yourself from the news. We live in the age of deception. Everything you see on the news is more or less a lie. Yes, that is a blanket statement, but I believe it wholeheartedly and state it with passionate belief and knowing.

    All viruses can share the same symptoms more or less. I made a comment detailing this in this thread. If the man visiting the mountain without any known cases, where did he ‘catch’ it from. If he did not catch it, that means his body manufactured it. Ted Cruz tested positive as well with no symptoms. No one else around him has developed the virus. This is being used as a political weapon and a control weapon, period. This is an illusion using an unseen ‘enemy’ that is not even alive.


    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

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    He's a big skeptic of this whole thing and even questions that "viruses," which he sees as being inherent to the body as only a defensive posture, can be transferred from person to person.
    Well, maybe he should read up on the history of smallpox!

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