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    Default The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    This most interesting term was referenced at the conclusion of Chris Martenson's latest update about the Wuhan coronavirus. (See this post.)

    Martenson describes The Fourth Turning as being marked by the point when humanity loses faith in its institutions.

    Neil Howe argues that this is happening right now, and this tipping point can sometimes lead to dark times in human history. See this Chris Martenson interview, published in March 2015:


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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    Martenson said that a turning takes 20 years. I lost faith in our monetary system over a decade ago and am amazed that the whole system hasn't completely collapsed. So, I suppose weíve got only a few more years.

    My balance sheet looks impressive, but much of it may vanish overnight.

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    Hmm...never had any faith in the institutions I perceive, have always considered them the straw breaking the camel's back. But I am only one person, meaningless compared to millions. For instance, my long-standing boycott of the meat industry has not affected much.

    A 20 year turning is roughly the same as Thomas Jefferson saying each generation probably needs to throw a revolution. If you do not wipe the slate clean, it will become infected, quickly.

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    Losing too much faith too quick may be just as much the fault of the people as it is the institutions.

    Life can be hell. It's mostly suffering, as the Buddhists say. Considering all the tragedy and suffering and malevolence that exists in the world today, I think it's a miracle when I walk outside in the morning and there isn't total anarchy in the streets. Human beings have only really realized themselves as stewards of the planet since the 1950's, so I think we're actually doing much better than we think sometimes.

    There's solid infrastructure, a beautifully functioning sewage system, flowing water in our sinks and showers, and the wondrous technology of electricity available whenever we need it. Life ain't too bad, despite some of our questionable institutions. Some of those very institutions made the things I listed possible.

    If we're going to question our institutions, we should acknowledge all of it, the good and the bad. I heard a wonderful saying the other day, and it went something like this: if you're going to blame someone for all the bad things they've done, you have to blame them for all the good things they've done too.

    One such institution is religion. Even a year ago I would have dismissed it out of hand, for all sorts of reasons, but having listened to some of the Jordan Peterson lectures, I'm finally realizing how deeply and richly allegorical the biblical stories are, and how our entire western civilization's value system is based on judeo-christian ethics and ideals. I'd forgotten many of those things in favor of pedophile priests and various conspiracies, which is really an intellectual default position for the lazy. Yes, there are pedo priests and very valid conspiracies surrounding the various religions, but it's missing the point entirely. I'm not a religious man, nor have I "found Jesus" but I am ashamed and embarrassed that I've approached it all in a very one dimensional way so lacking in nuance and detail.

    Anyway, I blame much of the nihilism that's setting in on the people as well. It's easy to get bitter and discouraged and to give up. It's much harder and much more rewarding to take personal responsibility for ourselves, despite what we often perceive as negative outward circumstances, and just bloody get on with it

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    Quote Losing too much faith too quick may be just as much the fault of the people as it is the institutions.
    If you we had been shown the truth, real history, it would have happened 100 years ago if not more.
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    I read the 4th Turning when it came out, around 1997 or 1998. 22 years ago. I'm pretty sure Howe was saying that the 4th turning generation was imminent back then. Yet we're still waiting for this hero generation. If it's 20 years per generation and the hero GI generation was born, say 1920, then 1940 is the 2nd, 1960 is the 3rd, and the 4th would be 1980. I think that's why he thought it would start "any time now" (20 years ago).

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    For decades we have been marching in an orderly (but quiet) fashion towards a global order or a global government. This has understandably given rise to Brexit and Donald Trump. Nationalism is the bane of any attempt to globalize governments. †I truly believe we are on the cusp of determining if a global government is viable or not. If the Brexit vote had been discarded and another vote taken we would have been one step away from anarchy in the UK. If the impeachment effort of Donald Trump had been successful in removing him from office we would have been in a state of anarchy in the USA. The chaos, confusion and hostility would have caused the collapse of institutions, not just government but our educational and religious institutions as well. The vacuum left by this mess would have been quickly filled by global elitist. †Just think of how close the world was too feeling the full brunt of this resounding turmoil, Trump stayed in office by 4 votes and Brexit passed by a whisper's breath.

    This may seem odd to say but I am actually in favour of a one-world government but not for another 50-100 years (possibly longer). We need to reach a level of emotional maturity which would make such a government work for the betterment of mankind. †Man is still caught up in the quest for money and power and that kind of power will absolutely corrupt.† Humankind is just not ready for this type of change.†

    I don't think these efforts, particularly in the USA, are over by any stretch of the imagination. Governments and institutions are quite literally under attack.† Gaining knowledge and understanding of how and when a global government should be implemented is the best immediate defense.†
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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    I think we should have had a 4th Turning around 2000. Without a reality check every 80 years, people just get more feeble. There are too many people born in the 1990s who are struggling to hold a job or raise a family. I just read they are naming their kids unique names so they'll stand out in social media.* I've noticed at work that the bathroom stalls in restrooms are hardly ever vacant -- you can see the same pair of shoes there for long periods of time. These are young guys who are either hiding from the world or playing games on their phones. I used to think it outrageous that some companies time their employees' bathroom breaks, but now I get it. So many so-called adults who still need their mummies!

    *https://www.studyfinds.org/many-pare...-social-media/

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    Default Re: The Fourth Turning: when humanity loses faith in its institutions

    Chris Masterson discusses this again starting at 9:11 [] in his daily coronavirus update from yesterday:


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