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    Default Evergreen University Madness (and the new Evergreening of America)

    To quickly summarize: there is an annual tradition at Evergreen where black admin and professors do not attend school for a day. The point is to use absence to highlight their contributions to the university. They willingly remain away from campus. It's not so much a protest as it is a tradition. It's known as "the day of absence".

    This is reasonable. Makes sense. But where it all goes sideways is when a new tradition was implemented in 2017 requiring whites to stay off campus for a day. This didn't sit well with Bret Weinstein, professor of biology and evolutionary theory.

    The difference, of course, is that in the first instance a group of people are willingly staying off campus, and in the second instance a group of people are being ordered to stay off campus.

    Weinstein voices his concerns and all hell breaks loose. Social justice devolves into authoritarianism and madness, and something resembling 'Children of the Corn' takes place. Roving bands of sjw freaks quite literally take over the campus, hold the president hostage, demand the firing of Weinstein, physically threaten and berate Weinstein allies...all while campus police are ordered to 'stand down' by the very president that is being held hostage.

    You couldn't make this stuff up.

    This video is only a small part of the whole picture. Weinstein, who is immediately labeled a racist by the students (and the university eventually), reveals himself to be one of the most grounded, reasonable, sane, intelligent people you'll ever come across. The insanity lies mostly in the fact that Weinstein is clearly an ally of all minorities; this comes thru crystal clear when you see the man on the Rogan podcast, which I'd highly suggest. But this short 7 minute video will get you started..



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    Default Re: Evergreen University Madness (and the new Evergreening of America)

    I would have to watch a lot more videos and perhaps speak to people directly to really understand what the real issue is. Maybe the question is "what is the actual root of the problem?".

    I think many people are really confused about a lot of issues without realizing that they are.

    People use the label "racist" too easily and too loosely. I think the younger generation use it to escape a conversation, to escape having to back up what they are saying or really feeling.

    Of course this is just my opinion - and I may be generalizing a bit too much. But I do feel that because of social media, many people today are very mixed up due to the amount of bad information, conflicting view points and of course being affected by the programming that they are subjected to.

    In the above video one the students said that free speech is not more important than the lives of the students on this campus. Why did the editing of the video include this statement? To me it shows how confused language has become and that the media continues to add to the confusion.

    It feels similar to how after 9-11, many personal rights were taken away in order to help protect people, but the average person is not seeing the bigger picture of manipulation.

    So free speach is ok as long as the right things are being said.

    My children come to me with stories about the toxic social internet population quickly branding a person as a racist in an attempt to shut down what a person is trying to say.

    TPTB have done a good job of messing with the youth.

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    Thanks for that thoughtful post Patient.

    The anger many of the students are feeling towards injustice in the world is justifiable and understandable ...but it's so intellectually deficient and directionless and so loaded with unruly emotion that it quickly formed itself into a loosely based kind of fascism. None of them seem to notice the irony.

    I was an idiot when I was a college aged kid. I was susceptible to the kind of tribalism you see here. So I'm trying as hard as I can to not be too hard on the kids, but they make it very difficult . They've clearly gone mad.

    It's the energy and adrenaline and positive feedback emotions the kids are getting from assuming a position of power that is motivating many of them...not the indignation they purport to be feeling about inequity. I feel for them in a way. Many will look back in a few years and be pretty embarrassed by all this.
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    I grew up on the tail end of the 'make love not war' era.

    I watched as my friends all gave up the movement and sold out to the enemy.

    I am still on guard to this day...and have virtually no direct stake in this modern world.

    Yet, this movement, which really is just an off-shoot of our era, has lost its way and its leaders are merely virtue signalers, hating any who voice an opinion other than theirs. The only way they are right is that our era gave up the fight and left a rather large vacuum this new generation have been sucked into. If we had finished our job they could have carried on the fight - but we sold them out and now they hate us too.

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    Maybe it's obnoxious to post a 2 and a half hour video, but I'll post it anyway. If you have the time and interest to get thru this, I highly suggest it.

    This Rogan video with Weinstein is one of the best I've heard him do.

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Maybe it's obnoxious to post a 2 and a half hour video, but I'll post it anyway. If you have the time and interest to get thru this, I highly suggest it.

    This Rogan video with Weinstein is one of the best I've heard him do.

    Mike, you're 100% right, and thank you: this was most excellent and fascinating to watch.

    Weinstein has also been on with Rogan on #1055 (Dec 19, 2017) and #1081 (Feb 20, 2018, this time also with his wife Heather Heying ó they both ended up resigning from Evergreen, which seems a great pity.

    I've NOT watched those yet. Rogan clearly cares about this issue a lot, to his great credit.

    I, too, have been accused of being a 'racist' ó because Project Camelot never interviewed any Black or Asian people. Give me a ****ing break.

    Can you cross-reference this on Mark/Rahkyt's excellent Racism thread? I assume he knows about all of this, and it'd be most, most interesting to read his input.

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    Hi Bill, I'm about halfway thru the one Bret does with Heather and Joe, and it's also very very good!

    And anyone that has gotten to know you even a little, knows with crystal clarity that you are an ally to all of mankind. It should be pretty obvious just by watching your videos actually Those accusations of racism are preposterous.

    Joe does seem to care quite a bit, as you said. Thank the heavens he's doing these interviews. They're so important.

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    Thanks Mike. These links have been extremely helpful in my local world where families are struggling to understand the fanaticism.

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    these are the boots on the ground videos i should have posted originally. they make bret's interview with joe seem tame by comparison. the first video offers a slower build, but the next 2 display the madness in all its glory. they're each about 30 mins long:






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    . . . . . . . . . ."My alma mater! And meeting Jeffrey and Ghislaine at the Dean's office was so much fun!"



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    Default Re: Evergreen University Madness (and the new Evergreening of America)

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Thanks for that thoughtful post Patient.

    The anger many of the students are feeling towards injustice in the world is justifiable and understandable ...but it's so intellectually deficient and directionless and so loaded with unruly emotion that it quickly formed itself into a loosely based kind of fascism. None of them seem to notice the irony.

    I was an idiot when I was a college aged kid. I was susceptible to the kind of tribalism you see here. So I'm trying as hard as I can to not be too hard on the kids, but they make it very difficult . They've clearly gone mad.

    It's the energy and adrenaline and positive feedback emotions the kids are getting from assuming a position of power that is motivating many of them...not the indignation they purport to be feeling about inequity. I feel for them in a way. Many will look back in a few years and be pretty embarrassed by all this.

    The anger many of the students are feeling towards injustice in the world is justifiable and understandable ...but it's so intellectually deficient and directionless and so loaded with unruly emotion that it quickly formed itself into a loosely based kind of fascism. None of them seem to notice the irony

    Oh yes, this is exactly what it is and what's more it was bound to cause a huge backlash, particularly among those who are remotely reasonable. Who benefits?

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    This might well best belong here ó also serving to bump this important thread.

    Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast - Black Intellectual Roundtable



    One of the comments, with 174 likes:
    Fifteen minutes in and I've already heard more intelligent discussion on racial issues in America then you can get in a year on every MSM news outlet combined. What a relief.
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    Default Re: Evergreen University Madness (and the new Evergreening of America)

    The official title for the school is The Evergreen State College. They are adamant that this name describes them. Students there would react negatively to the use of term Evergreen University.

    Evergreen belongs to a consortium of alternative liberal arts schools, the Consortium for Innovative Environments In Learning (CIEL) which also includes the school I attended as an undergrad, Fairhaven College, at Western Washington University. Evergreen is large and highly institutionalized as an alternative college. Fairhaven is small and a student with passion who is highly self-directed can do anything there with unprecedented independence.

    In the past, through my associates at the University of Washington Iíve worked within programs at Evergreen, mostly providing technical electronics and software programming support. Iíve worked extensively with students within these programs. When on campus Iíve always laughed out loud in my head at how the students have a passion for social issues, yet are pitifully disconnected from the outside world that would quash their activism in a heartbeat. Evergreen is a beautifully wooded, isolated campus, unlike most schools that are situated within a community such as a small town or city. At any time the public areas on campus are plastered with signs, murals, impromptu art installations Ė all dedicated to one social or environmental issue or another. Students in general at Evergreen are far more motivated than their peers on most other campuses. Their in-house activism has always seemed infantile to me, yet I cannot judge since I know that these dynamics very well may be a necessary and valuable part of the educational experience.

    Whatís happened is that the outside world has caught up with Evergreen. This has empowered the students at Evergreen since their normally isolated activism has found a conduit to a volatile outside cause. Now, the faculty have always had turbulent political relations among themselves as well. I wouldnít want to teach there and rely on the job for my livelihood. I have a great deal of respect for most of the faculty that Iíve known, though. They are as passionate as their students. And I do know that many graduates of Evergreen have done wonderful things in the world based on their experience at Evergreen.

    But as anyone can see, there is a situation thatís out of control in our social order and Evergreen was a ticking time bomb ready to explode. Iíd like to think that with all of the unruly excess surrounding Evergreen that maybe they have what it takes to step back and recognize that they have a responsibility to self-regulate and bring some order to the national dialogue. One can hope.

    Iíve always been an advocate for alternative education involving self-directed independent inter-disciplinary studies. We need more schools that support this style of education. I say sit back and watch Evergreen. Over time, they may actually surprise us by bringing some clarity and calm to the social issues erupting all around us. Like I said, one can hope.

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    Default Re: Evergreen University Madness (and the new Evergreening of America)

    Here's a double treat:

    Benjamin Boyce is interviewed for an hour and 50 minutes by Carter Laren and Keri Smith on the "Deprogrammed" section of their YouTube channel Unsafe Space.

    It's a double treat, because the impressively bright and articulate Keri Smith is the former SJW featured on this thread:
    Enjoy.


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    This new interview, streamed a couple of hours ago, isn't about Evergreen ó but it's about Bret Weinstein. In conversation with Carter Laren and Keri Smith from Unsafe Space, it's absolutely as intelligent and thought-provoking as one might imagine.


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    In the above new interview with Bret Weinstein, host Keri Smith shares how the tipping point that persuaded her to 'walk away' from 20 years as an SJW was watching Weinstein's 2018 presentation here, called How the Magic Trick is Done.

    The video description is simply:
    In this speech at the Students For Liberty conference in Vancouver, B.C. I discuss the inner workings of the regressive left.
    I have NOT watched this yet. But if this tipped the balance for Keri and then went on to change her entire life, it may be worth viewing.

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