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    Hi,

    I'm new and I'm from Wales. I'd like to talk more about the positive ETs and their bases. Sometimes I get the feeling there aren't any, but I think Daozen must be right, as why would still be here? So where are the positive ETs and will they be able to take control of disclosure?

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    Default Re: Where are the positive ETs?

    Interesting question indeed, my haphazard readings on the subject lead me to believe that they may be there but can't interfere due to some cosmic laws, but that doesn't stop the negative ones now does it? So I don't believe we will see anything positive in this incarnation, if anything with current world affairs we are probably on some form of slope into a hell like existence? But only for those that can understand, the rest of the brainwashed masses will just plod along vacant to all around them...

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    This raises a good question. From many sources of near death experience survivors, we are apparently being closely monitored, and supported, from the spirit world. Therefore, even though the negative ETs appear to romp around at will on earth, as witnessed by the abduction phenomenon, they have not been able to overtly overrun this place. From the communications from supposed positive aliens, and from spiritual forecasts, the Earth was going to fall into disaster around the year 2012, however, that was apparently averted. Perhaps there are enough good people, and energy, on earth to allow us to forge a positive future without a direct intervention from good ETs. Although humanity faces many obstacles and traps such as trans humanism and AI, the main apparent reason seems to me to be that we are doing well enough, despite the down drag from negative ones, that we will succeed on our own.

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Interesting question indeed, my haphazard readings on the subject lead me to believe that they may be there but can't interfere due to some cosmic laws, but that doesn't stop the negative ones now does it? So I don't believe we will see anything positive in this incarnation, if anything with current world affairs we are probably on some form of slope into a hell like existence? But only for those that can understand, the rest of the brainwashed masses will just plod along vacant to all around them...
    I've got to say, I loved this post. I am feeling every friggin word of it today. As my mother used to say "If it's not one thing it's another".


    Welcome to the forum EarthPatriot! I don't think we are going to see any resolution to our problems here anytime soon. No wise ET rescue, no mass ascension. I believe Craig is right, though. We seem to have quite a bit of negative intervention. I think the experience here is to muck it up and deal with it the best you can.. If there is good ET involvement on this planet it is probably a one on one sort of thing. I would love to be wrong, though.

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Interesting question indeed, my haphazard readings on the subject lead me to believe that they may be there but can't interfere due to some cosmic laws,...
    Wade Frazier talking about Global Controllers.

    The good news is that the ET situation is largely under the control of the benevolently-intended ETs, but they operate under the Prime Directive (Star Trek is not all that fictional), and they cannot directly and openly intervene in human affairs unless enough humans ask for it or we are truly in danger of destroying this planet (something that humanity will not be allowed to do). Because humanity is toying with its self-destruction, our ET friends may reveal themselves in undeniable fashion, which would end the dark ones’ megalomaniacal dreams.

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    Default Re: Where are the positive ETs?

    Who would blame ETs for not trusting any world government. I expect that there are secret
    programs in the US and other govts, that have been communicating with certain species of ETs.
    And if a govt is hostile to them and shoots them down we should not blame them for our aggression.

    But there may be unfriendly ETs that are as vicious as we are toward them.
    And again who could blame them?
    They may have been here and who knows where for longer than we have been in existence.
    And if not so what.
    Question Everything, twice or maybe trice..........

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    Default Re: Where are the positive ETs?

    "So where are the positive ETs..."

    Look in the mirror... you might be one.

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    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Perhaps there are enough good people, and energy, on earth to allow us to forge a positive future without a direct intervention from good ETs. Although humanity faces many obstacles and traps such as trans humanism and AI, the main apparent reason seems to me to be that we are doing well enough, despite the down drag from negative ones, that we will succeed on our own.
    A pertinent point.

    We would learn little or nothing from an overwhelming benevolent ET intervention that did not have our own growth as the decisive factor.

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Interesting question indeed, my haphazard readings on the subject lead me to believe that they may be there but can't interfere due to some cosmic laws, but that doesn't stop the negative ones now does it? So I don't believe we will see anything positive in this incarnation, if anything with current world affairs we are probably on some form of slope into a hell like existence? But only for those that can understand, the rest of the brainwashed masses will just plod along vacant to all around them...
    To add my 2 cents ...

    Humans have to learn to thrive in our environment on our own. One could easily see that what one would term as "help", another as "interference", perspective dependent, for one. So that would be disruptive overall.

    Another thing is that we need to learn to overcome these issues we are having on our own, in order to become immune to them, so we can begin to function as a proper collective and become a true space faring species, and reap the ability to be co-creators of a new type, from inside this physical Universe itself (as initially intended). If "mom" does our homework for us, that would eliminate the learning.

    So I think our ethereal "brothers and sisters" are nearby, probably cheering us on individually ...
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    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    I'm of the opinion we didn't incarnate here to sideline ourselves and wait for the positive et's go come and fix our mess. There's a ton of disempowering disinformation out there on these topics. I've been down that road before. It will sideline you. How about exploring who we actually are through our divine heritage that we can check in with as often as we like

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    There are a lot of stories of those that have had positive encounters with benevolent et. Some think it is fake "Screen memories", some truly believe their experiences were positive, or indeed did have a positive impact in their lives. I am one of those people.

    For example, there is the Edgar Mitchell foundation "FREE", that is doing a very broad study, of et contacts, and the perceived end result. And surprisingly, MOST have suggested that their contacts, in many ways, have had more of a positive influence in their life, than a negative outcome. Ray Hernandez speaks of these findings all over the place, and gives the statistics they have acquired from their studies. Look him up, there are plenty of videos of him suggesting just this.

    I can say, from personal experience, they were very detailed in their questions when presenting them... I know, because I partook in being one voice in the many, that had my own experiences added to their "POLL"..

    One must really put that into perspective.. When left alone to question their own experiences, whether they thought so at the time or not, when the poll was taken? Many suggested that they benefited somehow in their contact experiences. So this is really a "Loaded question". Many people think that they are having a negative experience, until they reflect upon how those experiences changed their lives, and in hindsight, they feel quite differently about them..

    If you had a condition that you were not aware of, and someone scooped you up and healed you, but you didn't know that you were ever sick? Would you think that was a negative thing? Perhaps.. If you knew our genetics were possibly being upgraded to give us a fighting chance, against other et possibly coming to harm us, would you think that was bad? Or so we saw our own situation differently, empowering us somehow, would that be bad?

    I believe it truly comes down to "WHY" they are doing what they are doing. And until we know the true reasons we are having such contacts, we could never truly be able to answer such a question ..And they don't talk much when they abduct humans... And we are left with only being able to assess what happened in that moment.

    Yet I am aware that there are plenty of horror stories as well...

    Having surgery to fix an acute issue is never fun... It hurts. We worry about the surgery before it happens, as they prep us for it, and we remember everything painful until we are knocked out.. We remember that pain as a negative thing... but once it passes and the underlying issue is gone, we see that as good right? Seemingly some et get rid of many things that tend to make us humans unhappy. We learn things, that truly enhance the way we see or live life.

    I watched a movie last night, called "The Recall". et were abducting humans to "upgrade them"... an evolution in humanity... While I can't tell you what happened in the movie, as it would "spoil" it? There was a version of "Greys" involved.... these people, while living the terror of the situation, came to see their abductions as a "Good thing" (Or that was the impression I was left with) And yes, they made it seem horrendous.. Yet the end result?.... If you ever watch the movie, let me know what you would have thought. I saw it as good in the end, aside from what the humans did as a result of their abductions.. Sad really, but probably very true! And I think that is closer to what may truly be happening than anything...

    By the way, David Wilcock was in the movie hahahaha.
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    What if we all are Alien (ET) Souls using Human Template as interface ... but most have temporary amnesia for a good reason!
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    We are them and they are us. But it isn’t easy to see it clearly for most people unless they’ve “somehow” liberated themselves from all human conceptuality and whatever “body-mind” each person have.

    It’s only if you can familiarise yourself with the state of “no mind” that’s more like samadhi or meditation states free of conceptuality, on deeper levels of this “no mind “ state we communicate or eventually meet the “others”.
    They’re here as you are here and they’ve been here all the time.

    It’s the “place where we come from”, long ago. It’s the meaning behind the “place we come from” even if our real home/planet is far away.
    It’s the place we are talking from. It’s not a 3D place.

    We communicate or try but most people do not pay attention to the subtle. They live in the world important to itself full of glitters and power machines, destinies painted in gold and dust , struggling with basic human rights and freedoms.

    It’s not easy to keep calm in the roar of this world these days.

    But those who can still keep calm and do their meditation or prayers, I feel will benefit hugely. Because “we” as in “humans” aren’t so bad either.
    We are not the monsters, the criminals, the spoilt luxury kids filling media pages, most people are not but our governments do not mostly again, give a good lead to people.
    That’s how it’s even more difficult to detach from human mind these because we are being bombarded by strong labels, in never ending shock chain ..
    of reality mixed with theories and Hollywood blockbusters.


    Peace and calm is the most precious property to lose. The time lost in various naive efforts, wars and arguments, power wrestling with neighbours, relationship breaks and whatever else is banging on your mind there,
    just another resonance- dissonance, another frequency, 5G,6&7G,
    the echo of everyone’s thoughts and breaths, it all will fall to peace and pieces one day, anyway.

    Some think that peace is too simple for an achievement, others despise it straight away, for millions of people in war zones like mega cities of today Peace is a luxury taken away from us deliberately.

    I say: it’s my small advice: finding a place of peace for your self and family is still worth the time being here. It requires some smarts because the civilisation became so self centred it does not want to allow people being out anymore,
    it’s nearly impossible feeling task for most people but that’s why
    it’s a challenge.

    Get back to ourselves, save souls.


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    Default Re: Where are the positive ETs?

    The real question is, do you really need them to be genuinely happy?

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    The real question is, do you really need them to be genuinely happy?
    First of all thanks to the many replies, I am positively amazed. Plenty there to read and think about, but I will reply with some brief comments.

    ZenBaller, that is the key question indeed. What makes it difficult for me to be happy, is that I read so much about end-of-world scenarios, that would all plainly be horrible. I am also rejecting Wilcock's ideas, for many reasons, but his 'ascension' still involves a near total destruction of the planet. I don't want to be taken off-planet by good ETs, I want the earth to have a future where humans can flourish.

    As to the points about, needing help, of course it is better if we do it on our own, but the idea that we are simply at the mercy of a host of negative ETs is daunting. It would seem it wasn't a fair fight, so some help would not go amiss.

    On the other hand, if there are no good ETs helping us, does anyone have trustworthy information about the human efforts to oust them? I know the military has probably back engineered some technology, but are we really winning? Wilcock says so, but unfortunately I don't trust him as he doesn't handle his information critically enough. I personally follow Alex Jones, but the 'takedown' is taking a long time to come. I suspect there are truly white hats, but darn, good information is hard to come by.

    On this, to Peter UK re Wade Frazier, I'll have a closer read of his article, but why do you think he's genuine? I've seen too much disinformation and I am hesitant to believe his positive intentions.

    Denise, I'll certainly look at your information. It would be good if there is a positive engineering effort underway. And it would certainly be good to read some positive experiences.

    As for the film though (without having seen it), I would categorize it as False Disclosure, just because I suspect Greys are not good. But I don't really know, so that's what prompted me to ask this question in first place!

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    Default Re: Where are the positive ETs?

    And to Agape, spiritual development is of course the key to all of this, however difficult the situation on earth might seem. But yes, I sometimes struggle to remain spiritually focused.

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    The real question is, do you really need them to be genuinely happy?
    It’s a good question and you may say “no” according to the Zen doctrine but this isn’t a doctrine.

    People seem to need each other more, some need their pets genuinely so, we need the trees and flowers true, they too may just disappear one day.
    People of all cultures seem to need spirits and memories of their ancestors, not religiously even, some need to walk between the worlds.

    Somehow this depends on the uniqueness of ones character and whom do we need, genuinely.

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    Quote Posted by EarthPatriot (here)
    And to Agape, spiritual development is of course the key to all of this, however difficult the situation on earth might seem. But yes, I sometimes struggle to remain spiritually focused.
    I’m out of usual timelines at the moment, so I find difficult to discern which of them I’m talking to- looking to past each of us walked through many.

    I don’t think it’s important to be “too spiritual” to be truly spiritual , we all are here to fulfil many different tasks. Sometimes fulfilling a task can bring profound peace in life,
    sometimes resolution of difficult matters can do that.

    For me and from my perspective more peace is more important, nowadays more than ever. From “that place” only the world can change as we can wake up with fresh minds everyday and we are not owned by others.

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    Quote Posted by EarthPatriot (here)
    re Wade Frazier, I'll have a closer read of his article, but why do you think he's genuine? I've seen too much disinformation and I am hesitant to believe his positive intentions.
    Hi,

    I'm not simply qouting Wade here but happen to have similar convictions regarding the matter.

    Wade is actually a highly respected member here with some amazing credentials and an equally amazing life. I actually think that Wade's thread is one of the most important on the entire internet.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post91260

    I do understand though the concern over disinformation and the hesitancy that results as a consequence.

    There are many well intentioned and highly informed members here who will be more than willing to help sort the wheat from the chaff.


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    Here's a famous anecdote told by Timothy Good, on p.153 of his 1998 book Alien Base - The Evidence for Extraterrestrial Colonization of Earth.

    ~~~
    In February 1967 I was in New York City for a series of concerts with the London Symphony Orchestra at the Carnegie Hall. One after- noon I decided, as an experiment, to attempt some further telepathic communication in the lobby of the Park-Sheraton Hotel, now the Omni Park Central, at 56th Street on Seventh Avenue, where we were staying.

    I had just returned from my first meeting with Madeleine Rodeffer in Washington, DC. Madeleine had told me that she had encounters with the 'space people', and that these most often took place in public places. I resolved to try and settle the matter once and for all.

    Settling back on a sofa in the lobby I transmitted a telepathic request, which went some- thing like this: 'If any of you people from elsewhere are in the New York vicinity, please come and sit down right next to me and prove it.'

    New York is, of course, a busy city, and a hotel lobby seems the most incongruous of venues to conduct such an experiment. Many people (a few of them strange, if terrestrial) came and went during the ensuing half-hour or so.

    Suddenly a man entered the lobby whose demeanour put me on alert. Dressed in a charcoal-grey suit with a white shirt and dark tie, he could have passed for a businessman from Madison Avenue. He was five feet ten inches tall, with curly fair hair, a tanned complexion, and perfectly proportioned features, and he appeared to me to be about 35 years of age. He came and sat down beside me.

    From an attaché case he took out a copy of the New York Times. Unfolding this he began to turn the pages over in a rather deliberate and superficial manner. After he had refolded the paper I felt the time had come to ask him telepathically if he really was from another planet, and if so, would he please identify himself by placing his right index finger on the right side of his nose. The response was immediate and dramatic, for no sooner had I transmitted the thought than he did precisely that!

    Sitting dumbfounded, I wondered what on earth the next move would be. I attempted more telepathy, but nothing else happened. Perhaps I should have engaged him in conversation but, being British (clearly a drawback to interplanetary communications), I had reservations about such an approach. Also, I felt that if my expectations were well founded, it should be he and not I who would initiate any such conversation.

    We both sat silently for a few minutes. Then he stood up and walked over to some display windows behind and to my right, about 15 feet away. Observing him surreptitiously, I noticed that he appeared to be taking little interest in the merchandise displayed there, and after a few more minutes he gave me a long, penetrating look, then turned and walked out into Seventh Avenue. I never saw him again.

    ~~~

    So what does this mean?
    1. We can presume with quite some confidence that the strange man was indeed an ET.
    2. But he didn't harm Timothy Good, or abduct him, or mutilate him, or feed him any lies. He merely communicated that he was there, and heard his telepathic message. Nothing more.
    3. The implication is that they seek not to interfere in any way — at least overtly — and don't [usually!] reveal themselves. But they're here, maybe (as Bob Dean said) "walking among us". Others have reported this very clearly as well, such as Jerry Wills, from their own direct personal experiences.

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