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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    I think it should stand as obvious that, the very least we could do would be to *not*... support those who seek to send those like Assange to prison for the rest of their lives.



    And remember this?

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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Humanity Is Making A Very Important Decision When It Comes To Assange
    MARCH 1, 2020
    by CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
    https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03...es-to-assange/



    "The propagandists have all gone dead silent on the WikiLeaks founder they previously were smearing with relentless viciousness, because they no longer have an argument. The facts are all in, and yes, it turns out the US government is certainly and undeniably working to exploit legal loopholes to imprison a journalist for exposing its war crimes. That is happening, and there is no justifying it.

    So the narrative managers, by and large, have gone silent.

    Which is good. Because it gives us an opening to seize control of the narrative.

    It’s time to go on the offensive with this. Assange supporters have gotten so used to playing defense that it hasn’t fully occurred to us to go on a full-blown charge. I’ve been guilty of this as well; I’ll be letting myself get bogged down in some old, obsolete debate with someone about some obscure aspect of the Swedish case or something, not realizing that none of that matters anymore. All the narrative manipulations that were used to get Assange to this point are impotent, irrelevant expenditures of energy compared to the fact that we now have undeniable evidence that the US government is working to set a precedent which will allow it to jail any journalist who exposes its misdeeds, and we can now force Assange’s smearers to confront this reality.

    “Should journalists be jailed for exposing US war crimes? Yes or no?”

    That’s the debate now. Not Russia. Not Sweden. Not whether he followed proper bail protocol or washed his dishes at the embassy. That’s old stuff. That’s obsolete. That’s playing defense.

    Now we play offense: “Should journalists be jailed for exposing US war crimes? Yes or no?”

    Demand an answer. Call attention to them and demand that they answer. Dig them out of their hidey holes and make them answer this. Drag them out into the light and make them answer this question in front of everyone. Because that is all this is about now.

    Don’t get sidetracked. Don’t get tricked into debating defensively. Force the issue: the US government is trying to establish and normalize the practice of extraditing and imprisoning journalists for exposing its misdeeds. That is the issue to focus on.

    You will find that anyone who dares to stick their head above the parapet and smear Assange now gets very, very squirmy if you pin them down and force them to address this issue. Because they cannot answer without admitting that they are wrong. And that they’ve been wrong this entire time. It’s a completely unassailable argument.

    We now have two and a half months to prepare for the second half of Julian Assange’s extradition hearing: all of March, all of April, and half of May. We’re going to need all that time to seize control of the narrative and make it very, very clear to the world that a very important decision is about to be made by the powerful on our behalf, if we don’t make that decision for them.

    This really is do or die time, humans. If we allow them to extradite and imprison Julian Assange for practicing journalism, that’s it. It’s over. We might as well all stop caring what happens to the world and sit on our hands while the oligarchs drive us to ecological disaster, nuclear annihilation or authoritarian dystopia.

    If we, the many, don’t have the spine to stand up against the few and say “No, we get to find out facts about you bastards and use it to inform our worldview, you don’t get to criminalize that,” then we certainly won’t have the spine it will take to wrest control of this world away from the hands of sociopathic plutocrats and take our fate into our own hands.

    This is it. This is the part of the movie where we collectively choose the red pill or the blue pill. We are collectively being asked a question here, and our answer to that question will determine the entire course we will take as a species.

    So what’s it going to be, humanity?

    Truth, or lies?

    Light, or darkness?

    A world where we can hold power to account with the light of truth, or a world where power decides what’s true for us?

    A world with free speech and a free press, or a world where journalists are imprisoned whenever they expose the evils of the most powerful institutions on this planet?

    A world where we all actively fight to free Assange and get the job done, or a giant, irreversible leap toward the end of humanity as we know it?

    Do we free Assange?

    Or do we sit complacent with our Netflix and our KFC and trust the authority figures to do what’s best?

    Do we take the red pill?

    Or do we take the blue one?

    Choose your path, humans.

    Choose wisely. "

    (Also, don't miss Caitlin's previous article from 2.28/20 "This Assange “Trial” Is A Self-Contradictory Kafkaesque Nightmare" which Dennis posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1338211
    ...and the accompanying video:

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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Quote Posted by rainsong (here)
    Does he have to get to America for Trump to pardon him? Can't Trump pardon Assange even with him not being in US custody? Though I don't think he will, if he does at all, until he's almost out of office
    I have quite a lot of attention on whether Trump will pardon him. I do think it seems a little unlikely (sadly!). But one hopes.

    That has become a core issue for me about whether Trump really is a "good guy" — or merely a maverick, eccentric, pragmatic businessman, regarded as highly inconvenient and out of place in the sleazy political world.
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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    I don't think a president can "pardon" someone until and unless they are convicted of a crime. Convicted. The pardon overturns the conviction.

    What Trump could do would be to get into a time machine and go back in time to when he instigated the rendition from the embassy, the Belmarsh imprisonment (for the skinny non-violent publisher) and psychological torture, and the extradition request. He would have to undo what he has done, which many people seem to have obfuscated in their mind. The only other way to see Trump as NOT one of the bad guys would be to say that the "Deep State" actually instigated the rendition, imprisonment, and torture of the publisher that embarrassed/exposed some crimes of the Deep State. That would make Trump a puppet who is simply pretending to be the instigator of Assange's (and Wikileaks') persecution - not exactly all the way to "good guy", though there are no brain synapses in my head that I can rub together to plausibly see him as a good guy [fealty to the overtly apartheid/genocidal Israeli government including "signing over" Syria's Golan Heights to Israel, missile bombing in Syria and occupation of Syrian oilfields based on known BS "Assad gassed his own people!" lies now quite public with the OPCW scandal, sanctions and overt and covert attacks on Iran, attack by sanction on the sovereign (and socialist) nation of Venezuela, and taking over Obama's most important job for the Deep State: continuing to cover-up 9/11. Just a few off the top of my head.]


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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    I would believe that outstanding US president are capable of mercy if the move is supported by majority of American public.

    Because leaking diplomatic cables is a matter of state and diplomatic protocols and personnel follow so called Geneva Convention and are figuratively untouchable in matters of privacy and law, meaning the trust granted to foreign emissary apprehends the trust of the highest dignitary and that of a guest.

    But: everyday people are hardly educated in matters of international law, period. I’ve heard people believing lots of nonsense coming from hearsay, or simply never being exposed to the kind of information concerned.

    If people inside America rise their hands and stand up for Julian Assange and say “we pardon you” , this or the next presidential candidate will more like support the move.

    The next good question will be who is the bigger half of American people today ? It’s a generation of immigrants and their children who themselves struggle to keep in line with the system in order to prove themselves as civilised and dignified beings.

    Back to Julian and his moves and motivations: they were huge and one of a time effort to show who is who on inside. I think he had pure heart and very little time to make decision or even a choice. If not published immediately the same materials would likely become a token on information black market with another party threatening the law in another way.

    It seems to me though that he was unaware of the whole sensitivity of diplomatic protocols when doing that.

    It moved the Time-Wheel forth and forth. There is no “go back” and no “turn away” from all those ugly truths and war games and engagements.

    Keep making Peace, is important and apply the most ethical, humane laws in your country first to become possible example and worthy aid to others.
    Stop prioritising your economical aims everywhere and selling people weapons so they can kill each other better.

    Give them education and life options and they will love you.

    Give them weapons and hatred, no matter whose enemy are they , they too will but hate each other at the end.

    Poor dear Julian. “Caused WW3” . All the dirt of so many people being thrown on one persons head. Disgusting but historically preceded ..think what’s happened 2020 years ago in Jerusalem.
    So called Jesus did nothing else “against the Roman Empire” than disagreeing with authority after being detained for disturbing public order.

    He was or would have been released by the back door since he looked innocent and acted docile but the story gets confused here. The “orthodox party” on the street shouted “crucify” because they saw him as heretic and pseudo messiah.
    Something was telling them the time is not over yet

    While everyone was nearly correct so called Jesus refused to cope with the situation and gave in to the Heavenly Father instead or went to Himalayas,
    it doesn’t really matter, the rest is folk tale.


    I’m quoting the case just because the principle is nearly similar but in 2000 years we should have learned something


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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Agape I must compliment you.
    The way you express yourself now with clarity & a grasp of the topics you post on is a far cry from your very first posts on Avalon--that is not in any way degrading what you brought in your first posts.
    You now have a full grasp of the English language and good, confident way of expressing.
    With full respect
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    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .
    As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Agape I must compliment you.
    The way you express yourself now with clarity & a grasp of the topics you post on is a far cry from your very first posts on Avalon--that is not in any way degrading what you brought in your first posts.
    You now have a full grasp of the English language and good, confident way of expressing.
    With full respect
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    Thank you Chris . Just remember “we were here on time” and I’m not the Doer. Truly, there is not enough time to improve me
    There’s never been enough time to improve me

    Most of the real work for me happens in consciousness, between consciousnesses, beyond words. Guess it’s more like interstellar maths and not easy to translate to human language.

    I’m not very communicative on outside for most of my life , except for good occasions , given lectures or times with friends.
    Simple social occasions feed me for months ahead really

    People hold it against me in all cultures( chuckles)

    But there’s so much i process everyday I fail to leave the trail really.


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    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .
    As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference.
    And this is why people don't do anything.

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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Rainsong. Wayne Gretzky said 100% of all the shots not taken, don't go in. however, Im glad you were amused.

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    Quote Posted by rainsong (here)
    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .
    As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference.
    And this is why people don't do anything.
    Do you seriously believe that there's any chance ─ any chance at all ─ that sending 1960's pinup photos to Donald Trump with a request to pardon Julian Assange would be able to prompt Trump to do exactly that? Really?

    Oh boy!
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    100% of all the shots not taken, don't go in.
    painterdoug, the shots don't go in, but the "intention sent" nothing can block, that's the point.

    Dennis is right, Pardon to Assange can not be appropriate, but can send a "Let Assange Live Free, please"

    send our best energies on the postcard and think for the better "intentionally" .. maybe works, who knows ?

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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)
    Quote Posted by rainsong (here)
    Quote Posted by Frank V (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .
    As humorous as that would be, I doubt whether it would really make a difference.
    And this is why people don't do anything.
    Do you seriously believe that there's any chance ─ any chance at all ─ that sending 1960's pinup photos to Donald Trump with a request to pardon Julian Assange would be able to prompt Trump to do exactly that? Really?

    Oh boy!
    Of course not, but that wasn't the point. But I didn't explain further and shouldn't have responded with a one-liner. It was a knee-jerk reaction. Sorry.

    My point was only that people shouldn't be discouraged from doing something --anything-- especially when the whole point of the thread was that people needed to do something.

    ETA I was in Mom-referee mode when I posted, which was definitely the wrong mode to be in while having a discussion amongst intelligent adults
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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I have an Idea I'm going to begin doing this week . I have these Pin Up model postcards , art from the 50,ies and 60ies look, very classy, nothing obscene.

    I read somewhere that postcards go directly to the recipient, and in this case the the President, since nothing sealed and no security risk.

    Im going to send them to the President , spaced out one a week with the following; Please Pardon Julien Assange .
    Feels like with so many abominations going on and being exposed, people are rapidly becoming overwhelmed. And the variation of our natural inclinations lead us all to focus on different (but equally relevant) issues. (No one has the time to be active in all issues.)

    I'm happy to see your call to attention with this thread, Dennis. I have been following your other thread, but for years have been quietly raising awareness in other areas more suited to my inclinations.

    PainterDoug - I fully admire your idea. Lightbulb ideas like this really can take off.
    What if a couple million people snail-mailed this note to the pres? Large movements always start somewhere.

    "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" Tao Te Ching, chapter 64

    I do believe I too will send a postcard (sans art) each week to the Whitehouse.
    There. Your efforts have already been doubled!
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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    The president has the power to pardon for commission or alleged commission of a federal offense even prior to a conviction. However, a federal crime must have been committed or alleged to have been committed. Typically, there is also risk of prosecution before a pardon is granted prior to conviction.

    Richard Nixon is the classic historical example of a presidential pardon prior to indictment, and thus no conviction.

    A pardon denotes, connotes or implies guilt of the accused, says the USSC.
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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Frank V and everyone. do you really believe that being angry and outraged alone will help Julien Assange? please .

    I think Rain song gets it. Nothing we do here chatting all about will make a difference. But I will do what I said regardless. Of course I don't believe Im going to change policy by some pin up post cards. But message in a a bottle? Is it going to hurt ? What the cost? benefit? very little cost, vrs a possible miracle

    AYT, LOVE IT!! I will post my post card when ready!! hope you do so also.

    did Rosa Parks believe getting up from the back of the bus would change history? What if a thousand of us started sending postcards?

    its a pinup postcard revolution!!! lol

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Frank V and everyone. do you really believe that being angry and outraged alone will help Julien Assange? please .

    I think Rain song gets it. Nothing we do here chatting all about will make a difference. But I will do what I said regardless. Of course I don't believe Im going to change policy by some pin up post cards. But message in a a bottle? Is it going to hurt ? What the cost? benefit? very little cost, vrs a possible miracle

    AYT, LOVE IT!! I will post my post card when ready!! hope you do so also.

    did Rosa Parks believe getting up from the back of the bus would change history? What if a thousand of us started sending postcards?

    its a pinup postcard revolution!!! lol
    I think it's a great idea, Doug. Why don't you send some to someone like Tucker Carlson who I think Trump actually listens to, privately. Couldn't hurt.

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    Will be in the mail tomorrow.

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    Default Re: Proxima Centauri b ETs rescue Julian Assange, teleport Donald Trump into Belmarsh prison!

    Doug, minus the "please", the "thank you", and combined with a few hundred thousand more, you may be onto something there imo.

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