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    Hello SAB for short. So you said that youíre a noob immortal yourself and that you had some abuse as a child. Does this mean this is your first incarnation on earth in your current body ? Did you meet any other immortals in person? Does the government know about them? If yes are they monitored? ( technically everyone is). Do they ask for blood or DNA samples from you? Whatís your plan with your newfound immortality?

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    Hi, I'm curious...if you have only been in this body for 50 years, how can you be sure that you are immortal?

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    would you care to speed up the 'sh*tstorm' and shed the generalized talk in favour of dropping a more revealing piece of information?
    sharing the paradigm threatens no ill-behaved Germain.
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    Quote Posted by ShotAcrosstheBow (here)
    Real immortality is not about studying the occult or esoteric, itís not as complex as made out to be in the east,
    Itís more about spirituality (not always religious) and energy,
    I think that's not exactly immortality, but extend vitallity through unethical ways, taking vitallity (energy) from others living beings unaware about this transfer of vital energy.

    I agree that the public knowledge about these Energivore-Beings " their numbers would shrink without that secrecy to hide them "

    The process it's not simple, because each (parasite) as one individual, can elaborate various forms to taken the energies, from various sources of living beings.

    But the real immortal beings behind these whom live here for centuries, are the Black Magicians (an esoteric name) that sustain their (immortal) life on a specific layer of astral planes, so that they never need to leave this "intermediary place" for everyone. They need energy to sustain that place, so they take it from others to stay there.

    those who come to live here for centuries are directly or indirectly subordinate to Black Wizards, and may have reincarnated to compose themselves or to harvest energies that sustain the Black Wizards' existential complex.

    the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.

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    Quote Posted by ShotAcrosstheBow (here)
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    They monitor, they influence, mostly meet people lol (itís always subtle, never blatant or overt)
    Why do they do these things? Who do they work for? What's their goal?
    They are meant to help the world, (remember these people are highly psychic, they can read your mind, ask you questions, and you wouldnít know it was happening if you were human, knowledge is power, and they can manipulate you if they want, remove or plant an idea, you would think was your own)

    They answer to people on a higher level, (dimension/ vibration etc) and they in turn answer to people on a higher level, and so on, but things are not as squeaky clean as you would think,

    The people on the ground mostly donít have an agenda, there are many good people, just some bad ones in the wrong places,
    By posting this Iím creating a sh!t storm, that will draw attention from outside the very controlled group, (as in ďWhat the Fók is going on here!Ē) by doing this getting the right people (higher ups) to see whatís going on,
    Shot, why do you believe this? Did you read this somewhere? You already admitted you look your age, so it's not about personal experience. Are you trying to elicit agreement for this hoped for reality?

    There was a guy called Ben Abba who started to write a book about a supposed immortal, but changed his mind about doing so after he sold a few treatments on Amazon.

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    the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.
    Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.

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    I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.
    the (active) agent usually is also unaware, but he can be controled by a hidden Chief, as to say, a Mega-Complex of Energy Suckers.

    you are right, because someway they obtained consent to have access (being invited), what they do very well using seduction, persuasion and concealment

    energy is the money (prime matter) of the cosmos-universe, and vital energy if not the gold is the precious stones.

    --edit--

    I'm not sure if it fits on "immortality" approach, but the phenomenon called by Walk-Ins, whose change the physical body can be seen as an alternative
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    What's a "noob"?

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    I'm not going to say anything about ShotAcrosstheBow's posts. But what I will say is that (in my opinion) it may well be the case that many people wishing for physical immortality feel afraid of death, and then starting over in a new body.

    Some of the motivation for all that may be that they may somehow not feel 100% fully certain that they're an immortal spiritual being anyway. Hence the anxiety about body death. (An experienced regression therapist will soon fix all that!)

    It's rather like always wanting to be in the same house, or driving the same car, or always wearing the same clothes. Why not renew everything periodically? That makes our eternal existence way more interesting.

    For reference, by the way: (Many reading this may already know, of course)

    Here's Li Ching-Yuen, who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's Li Ching-Yuen, who died in 1933 aged 256: that's two hundred and fifty-six.
    interesting, that man seems belong to Li bloodline family.

    David Rockefeller visits friend Li Chiang
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    What is a body but a state of homeostasis? Yet a body is not a state at all but a process.

    What makes a process halt? It is when the state resists change.

    If the process is life, the state is death.

    But we call the state ourselves and consider it inviolate. While the process of life just happens.

    Reverse this thinking to achieve immortality.

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    For more info about energy vampires, see the threads about Narcissim.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ght=narcissism
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post879908
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    the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.
    Colin Wilson wrote a lot about vampirism in one of his non-fiction books ("The Occult" maybe). Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.
    As I understand it, higher dimensional ET races who incarnated on Earth long ago lived very long lifetimes. After the Fall of Atlantis, when Earthlings were very vulnerable, the lower dimensional ETs and EDs invaded and altered Earthling DNA to make it weaker and the Earth races less long-lived; what scientists see now as features in "Junk DNA" that seem to have no purpose.
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    the myths of the vampires that are not seen in the mirror and suck the vitality of the people, have its origin in this issue of black magicians, who can be seen for one(s) if they want to appear, as normal as any other human being.
    Extroverts naturally take energy from introverts, who allow it unknowingly as part of being submissive to a more dominant personality. I've noticed if I accidentally allow someone to take my energy -- probably not consciously -- they get giddy and start acting superior, like "what else can I get from this fool?" I don't think they know why they're doing this.
    This isnít true at all TomKat. The whole extrovert/introvert thing refers to personality types, not energy types. I know that the extrovert/introvert thing references how we recharge and I can see how people who are in tune can begin to imagine that extroverts are leaching off everyone else but thatís not actually how it works at all. What itís really referring is how and where we feel safe, because feeling safe is what affects our energy levels more than anything else. Introverts feel safest on their own or with minimal company and often at home, extroverts feel safer with other people and often in public. Introverts and extroverts both have equal propensity to be vampires.

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    Quote Posted by ShotAcrosstheBow (here)
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    I made the decision to live forever when I was a teenager. Then I realized I did not want to live forever in this false world.

    So I decided to live a healthy life and die in my sleep. I hope that works out for me.

    I do believe there are those that live a very long time. I wanted to show people that to live forever was a possibility. It is the reason I wanted to live forever. Myself, I have other things to do than worry about this body - it is not me, although it has served me well enough and I am grateful.

    So here's to health and long life!
    Well, you canít get immortality if you fear death,

    I use to believe anyone if they applied themselves could achieve immortality, and in my naivety I tried to help some people (this was just after my dad died) I was met with jealousy, anger, hate etc, I didnít see that coming, painful experience,

    I was later told humans canít get this,

    Noob
    Hey dude,

    Humans actually come with an immortality gene so Iím confused as to why you would think that humans canít be immortal. If youíre not human, then what are you?

    Also, you mentioned in an earlier comment that humans canít be immortal because, soul, but we live in a complex universe which comprises both materiality and the energetic plane. To be alive, to incarnate, means to have both a physical and an energetic form, the human soul would be that energetic form. Our energy determines our health, it would seem to me that it would have the biggest impact on our life span, and as others have mentioned there are dark arts which could potentially extend a persons life span by siphoning the energy of another. Trying to understand your reasoning because what youíre saying here doesnít make a lot of sense sorry.

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    Quote Posted by ShotAcrosstheBow (here)
    Ask me anything, All questions welcome, (including pessimists, but temper that with reason)
    Here are my reasonable questions. What happens when these immortals are maimed, crippled or disfigured in any way? Do they live their eternal lives with missing limbs, on wheelchairs, in nursing homes etc? What happens if they are involved in mishaps that cause mortals instant death like traffic accidents, plane crashes, shot to head/heart etc? Because statistically, the longer you live, the more likely you will have a mishap as mentioned above.

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    The eternal you behind the eyes is not the ego you ID with now and that goes for all of us. The eternal you is above all the thought and precedes the thought of anything as it is the ultimate controller dictating the experience and happenings in each individual experience. We are multidimensional beings and we have multidimensional experiences with many bodies, many facets and many experiences processed not just individually through each experience but on the whole from the experiential effects of the trip on each. While you are you now you are also you in other experiences happening not in a past present future but all at the same time right now, which is all there is. So effectively it's all happening now.

    You experience all of this and I experience all of this in a multitude of body experiences all present. From the perspective of the orchestra conductor sitting above time and thought looking at the experience losing a body to death is probably not really any big deal as it's replaced for a new experience nearly as soon as it dies and the multidimensional being is having yet another full array of experiences of varying life forms, sexes and not necessarily all earth.
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    Not to derail thread, but this discussion reminds me of my favorite Vampire-related movie (and Tilda Swinton is perfect for this role):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Lovers_Left_Alive

    Quote Only Lovers Left Alive

    Married for centuries and now living half a world apart, two vampires wake as the sun goes down. Adam sits holding a lute, in his cluttered Detroit Victorian, as Eve wakes up in her bedroom in Tangier, surrounded by books. Rather than feeding on humans directly, they are dependent on local suppliers of the "good stuff," for fear of blood contaminated by the 21st century environment. Adam, still a famous musician, also fears exposure, visiting a local blood bank in the dead of night in disguise as "Dr. Faust", bribing "Dr. Watson" for his coveted O negative. Eve relies on their old friend, the author Christopher Marlowe, who faked his death in 1593 and now lives under the protection of a protťgť.

    Despite having influenced the careers of countless famous musicians and scientists, Adam has become withdrawn and suicidal. His desire to reconnect through his music is at odds with the danger of recognition as well as his contempt for the corrupt and foolish humans he refers to as 'zombies'. He spends his days recording his compositions on outdated studio equipment and lamenting the state of the modern world, whilst collecting vintage instruments. He pays Ian, a naive young music fan, to procure vintage guitars and other assorted curiosities, including a custom-made wooden bullet with a brass casing he thinks of using to kill himself.

    Having acquired much scientific knowledge over the years, Adam has built contraptions to power his home and a vintage sports car with technology originally pioneered by Nikola Tesla. His reclusive nature adds to his mystique as a musician and composer; he is upset when some intrepid fans turn up on his doorstep. Ian promises to discreetly spread rumours about Adam living elsewhere to draw them away.

    ...
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    Iíd like to post you with short sci-fi story by Andy Weir called The Egg 🥚, published in 2009 it won several literary prizes( despite being so short).
    Itís not really a sci-fi story more than philosophical essay and above all, it is the closest to ďtruthĒ as one can go on the topic.
    Itís the way we are, the way I observed this multiverse of human existence during years of my Kalachakra retreat.
    Itís ďalmost that wayĒ with some excuses.




    So yes you are immortal. Take it or leave it What path/vector and trajectory do you choose to evolve your consciousness is entirely upon you.

    But since youíve got this far already ...


    Give us blessing please


    🙏

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    My mind these days, having rejected almost all teachings as false, has begun contemplating whether the whole 'life' thing is even life. Every story told about why we are here seems to miss the point. I would not lobotomize my child and send them to the sandbox to learn about themselves. I would not allow lies and disinformation to saturate my child's mind, already confused by the lobotomy, either. And I certainly would not expect my child to learn anything, advance in any way, or take them serious about anything, since their mind is already compromised.

    The only thing that makes any sense is that we have been hijacked into this place without our knowledge. We are playing someone else's game where we do not even rate the worth of a single solitary pawn, if it were a game of chess.

    The only possible purpose we serve here is to find our way out and never come back.

    To identify with a body means that our fundamental position will always be fraught with danger and must be addressed by fear and violence. This is not the way to access higher levels of self and serves only to push the majority of people into reaction-based responses - locking them into this world with no chance of escape.

    The reason we can live forever here is because any condition that results in the identification with a body is an acceptable trade-off for our masters. Death is better, of course, because those that come back come back with no memory, no accumulated knowledge, and no history - so they are far less of a threat. A being that lives forever might just figure things out and free the rest of us. Of course, the most likely scenario is that an immortal would be so overwhelmingly concerned about their body that they would miss the obvious and blatant truth of their experience.

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    ShotACrosstheBow, have you heard of the story of John of the Cross being an immortal. I have now heard this story independently over 30 years from 3 different sources. The last one recently from Mr Garlick of Australia. Forgive me if I do not post this correctly. This story aligns very well with the other two versions that I heard - first in Greece and then in Russia. I do not know how he would know this story unless he knew someone or was telling the truth.
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