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    Excellent posts onowah and DaveToo. I don't want mainstream media fear porn and sensationalism. The hard-headed engineer in me wants numbers, and not just covid 19 numbers which by themselves are meaningless

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    The future problem that concerns me most, and I'm surely not just speaking for myself, is whether all the hoopla will be successful in convincing enough people into taking a new flu shot, and into accepting mandatory vaccines.
    THAT's what will cause the most deaths and dehabilitating illness, and it will be just as hard to attribute it to the jabs because of the same obfuscation and/or absence of data.
    And the closer we get to martial law, the bigger those problems will grow.
    Which are some of the issues this whole "pandemic" scenario is designed to distract from.

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    It's the future problem that everyone's working to prevent or mitigate, not the current one. If it all stayed as it is now (in terms of deaths per day), although every one is a personal tragedy, the effect on the world would practically be zero.
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    Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

    A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
    Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
    Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


    A conversion between people in the distant future.
    What's wrong John?
    Oh, I caught Covid 2019
    I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
    Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
    I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

    The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.
    Last edited by Tomkoyote; 20th March 2020 at 18:10.

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    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    I'd like to see a statistic for deaths per day throughout the year. A curve much like in a climate model. Then compare this year's numbers to the average of say the last couple of years. This would give a good impression of how many excess deaths we're actually dealing with.
    It'd be a very tiny number, for sure.

    But the problem isn't what's happening now, it's what's forecast to happen in a couple months' time.

    It's the future problem that everyone's working to prevent or mitigate, not the current one. If it all stayed as it is now (in terms of deaths per day), although every one is a personal tragedy, the effect on the world would practically be zero.
    I have created (as of March 12, 2020) a spreadsheet that is logging and crunching numbers that I periodically acquire from the Johns Hopkins website -

    Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

    I am willing to provide the spreadsheet once a day if there is a way that can be done albeit what is important to consider is computer viruses... I have my own virus scan software and I use wise habits with regards to exposing myself to computer viruses, yet if I provide this daily in a way others can access it, it would be their responsibility upon download to ensure it is virus free at their end.

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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Tomkoyote (here)
    Covid2019 is the first virus millesime (vintage date) produced and patented.

    A conversation between two wine connoisseurs today:
    Would you like a glass of Bordeaux 1961?
    Well,I prefer Chateau Lafite 1955, it is smoother on my pallet


    A conversion between people in the distant future.
    What's wrong John?
    Oh, I caught Covid 2019
    I know, it hits the lungs but not that bad. I myself caught the Rotavirus 2023 last month, it was hard.
    Oh, you are lucky it wasn't the Rotavirus 2029, it's really heavy on your system, I tried it once
    I read that they just patented a new HPV 2032 that attacks your vision

    The jobs of the future are in the virus making business.
    Please, cite the source for the claim Covid19 is "patented" and in what countries is it patented. Note: patents are "country-centric" (although the EU may have a "EU centric" patent structure).

    My request is not because I am not open minded that someone (or some entity) could "patent" a strain of coronovirus, I wish for a source that I could refer others who don't believe it.
    Last edited by Chester; 21st March 2020 at 00:28.
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    Sammy, my previous post was intended as a sarcastic joke. I read that 'they' patented it. Was it really patented or not, was it a joke or not, a rumor or not is irrelevant to me. The relevant detail is the vintage year they attached to this one. Since when viruses have a birth date?. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future they come up with labels like xyzvirus2024.
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    So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

    Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

    Wuhan University is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

    There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

    Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.

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    Quote Posted by Tomkoyote (here)
    Sammy, my previous post was intended as a sarcastic joke. I read that 'they' patented it. Was it really patented or not, was it a joke or not, a rumor or not is irrelevant to me. The relevant detail is the vintage year they attached to this one. Since when viruses have a birth date?. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the future they come up with labels like xyzvirus2024.
    Thanks, it is hard to know when someone is making a joke when the matter is as serious as this for the entire planet. The reason I asked is because this world is so bizzaro, I was open minded that someone could actually do that. Thanks for clearing that up.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)

    I have created (as of March 12, 2020) a spreadsheet that is logging and crunching numbers that I periodically acquire from the Johns Hopkins website -...


    I am willing to provide the spreadsheet once a day if there is a way that can be done albeit what is important to consider is computer viruses... I have my own virus scan software and I use wise habits with regards to exposing myself to computer viruses, yet if I provide this daily in a way others can access it, it would be their responsibility upon download to ensure it is virus free at their end.
    Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
    Here is a link to the site.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.

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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
    Here is a link to the site.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.
    Thank you, the number that stuck out to me is found under Serious/Critical as these are the folks that need (or will likely need) ventilators.

    I find it very hard to "believe" the numbers reported out of China... very hard.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    MUST SEE from RFKennedy Jr. Does the Coronavirus Pandemic Serve a Global Agenda?
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You can't even make this stuff up.
    Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
    Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
    "Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
    Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
    3/19/209
    There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

    Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

    Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.


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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

    Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

    Wuhan University is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

    There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

    Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.
    The info about the virus was available to the public and to politicians alike by February...actually much before that. So that seems like a bit of a red herring and typical right/left gotcha politics from the usual suspects.

    But the idea that China would be loathe to unleash a bio weapon on itself, for all the reasons you stated, resonates strongly.

    The timing of this viral epidemic and its point of origin lead me to believe it is either blowback from Mother Nature or biowarfare radiating from the U.S. Would the Anglo American pathocrats unleash something like that on China, if their own citizens might become infected? I see no reason why not and they could easily rationalize it, along "patriotic" lines.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    So, the Chinese idea that the U. S. Army may have spread this disease, is not necessarily a "plan", but, 10,000 soldiers from around the world were in Wuhan to play sports Oct. 18-27, 2019, World Military Games. The possibility is that perhaps Americans carried it without major complaints. In any case, they and many others were present in that time frame.

    Republican Senator Richard Burr--who I did not realize is Chair of Senate Intelligence--fire sold a massive amount of hotel stocks on Feb. 13--and made private comments to wealthy patrons about how bad it would be, while Trump was saying not to worry. Was this privileged information? The companies he sold are almost worthless now. He did not move the money into any other new stock, he dumped it. This advice was withheld from the voting public.

    Wuhan University is not a bio-weapons lab, although it did unrelated viral research seven years ago. The American narrative again just sounds too fast and conclusive in pointing a finger.

    There would be little incentive for China to intentionally release something on themselves; rather, in the past few years, they have had around nine epidemics, such as bird flu forcing them to buy U. S. chickens, and worms forcing them to buy U. S. beans, there have been several major agricultural scenarios and a few human diseases.

    Back then, it took us many years to question whether AIDS may not have come from a monkey; now, the statements of our leaders just don't hold water to begin with.
    The info about the virus was available to the public and to politicians alike by February...actually much before that. So that seems like a bit of a red herring and typical right/left gotcha politics from the usual suspects.

    But the idea that China would be loathe to unleash a bio weapon on itself, for all the reasons you stated, resonates strongly.

    The timing of this viral epidemic and its point of origin lead me to believe it is either blowback from Mother Nature or biowarfare radiating from the U.S. Would the Anglo American pathocrats unleash something like that on China, if their own citizens might become infected? I see no reason why not and they could easily rationalize it, along "patriotic" lines.
    More than likely the Anglo/American 'pathocrats' would have found out about China's experimenting in bio-weapons to attack Anglo genes only and so they beat them to the punch with one of their own and just for kicks dumped right on top of the lab facility and all the people doing the experimenting in China just to plausibly be able to blame in on them later like it leaked from their own lab!! Then with the crisis they created they hopped right on board to ride the wave they created and all along the way snatch up wealth at pennies on the dollar thanks to the panic they create, bump a couple of those diplomatically or politically immune to their advances in key positions or kill them off and replace them with players on the same page with them, or "under the same umbrella if you will, :-) and then sit back and watch as the programmed sheep get so disgusted with the old world order that they demand the new and actually usher it right into place for the oligarchs behind it all the while!
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    I don't agree with all of your thinking here but much of what you conjecture seems plausible.

    South Africa had a program of biowarfare under development against the blacks in their country, specifically Bantu,( I think)So there is real history here. It would,be very interesting to have the opportunity to do a trace of any of the scientists working on that project when it was dismantled a few decades ago. Wonder where they ended up?

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    The theme of this thread is obfuscated by delving into the conspiracy theories.

    The theme of the thread has centered upon the idea that the "reality" of the degree of actual impact of the virus, what to be concerned about and what not to be so concerned about, is discussed critically.

    I hope the thread gets back on track.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    (Fans of Rudolf Steiner will want to consider this, as he predicted what is happening now
    Virus From Electrification of Earth
    Dr Thomas Cowan : Virus et électrification de la Terre
    (Talk is in English, with French subtitles)
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    This was posted 2 days earlier with comments by me and Araucaria expanded on it.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1341551

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    I have sent a message on DJ's Facebook page, and a link to your post, Dennis.
    I have found his team to be responsive to other messages there, so hopefully we will get an answer.
    And hopefully they will start providing a synopsis of the most salient points of each episode for those who don't have the time to listen to each full program, which are usually pretty lengthy.
    (I actually find DJ's kind of relaxed, nonchalant style refreshing, in the midst of so much urgent trauma drama these days.)

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You can't even make this stuff up.
    Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
    Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
    "Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
    Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
    3/19/209
    There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

    Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

    Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 21st March 2020 at 16:47. Reason: fixed quote formatting
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    Some mix-up about a prediction DJ qjuoted from Ca. Gov. Newsome made about deaths from the virus. and I'm still not sure what happened--will update.
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You can't even make this stuff up.
    Statistics, and behind the scenes things going on, and how they add up to the push for martial law.
    Once again, DJ connects the dots and brings light to the confusion.
    "Special High Priority Broadcast Tonight
    Continuity of Government Takeover Exposed"
    3/19/209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9nTI93FtuU
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    There are some very important concepts brought forward in this stupidly long video. Man, I wish someone would go through and edit it down to 5 minutes. The info is also way too important to have allowed a podcast-style "call-in" (chat) of questions, that only made it longer and broke up the focus. I'd say a concise 5-minute presentation on the material would get a strong "must see" recommendation. He's really onto something with the COG aspect - all my spidey senses are tingling.

    Daniel, if you're reading this, please consider doing a 5- minute summary video making the same points.

    Avalon members, find a comfy chair and wade through this presentation. It smells like the same faction that pulled-off 9/11 may be at least piggybacking on COVID-19.
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    Default Re: COVID-19 Contrarians

    If the number of Serious/ Critical cases (breathing machines!) in f.i. Germany (20 and now deleted !), Netherlands 354, UK 20 etc. are correct and so very low , how can we believe that the health system is about to collapse in these countries. The measure to shut down the entire economic system is out of proportion and the damage is unheard off since WW2. This price paid is highly irresponsible and the result of manipulation and hysteria I am afraid.

    The discussion about fake or not fake is being blurred by the lack of exact and enough figures. This has been pointed out repeatedly. The underlying bad health condition of those dying is an important factor and is not sufficiently translated in figures.


    Some philosophical reflections :
    Members of this forum show great knowledge of natural healing methods and it was often said that most of us do not need to fear not getting through this health crisis . None or few of us will be hospitalized.
    But when I look at the catastrophic impact of the confinement measures on the economy I think about all the social suffering that this will bring in the future. Why these draconian measures ? Only because the hospital infrastructure is reported to be collapsing or may collapse entirely and the curve must be levelled ?

    Do we have to be surprised that this crisis is happening in a civilization that has developed so many health threats and has an ever aging population ? Did those that succumb and are now in the ICU previously made the right choices for their lifestyle ? Have they done the effort to care about their health and become aware of the dangers ? Or are many victims of bad economic systems that enforce health destroying conditions?

    In a spirit of solidarity we should take care of the weakest but what if the weakest or the most irresponsible ones destroy the life of all the others?
    Do we have to accept the looming total demise of our industries and way of living because some manipulative powers are using these sick persons as hostages to attain all that? There exists a sound principle that says all difficult decisions are best resolved by the weighing of what is the greatest good for the majority of living forces. Sad to say but old and sick people will be dying in increasing numbers from here on out.
    They should not have gone into extreme measures of confinement to try to slow this down.
    I think now the virus is indeed real and a bio weapon and I also think there is an ongoing coup to usher in a police state.



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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Sammy you might not be aware of this, but there is a site that provides daily updates to the exact same stats you are keeping track of.
    Here is a link to the site.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    They also provide a ton more interesting stats that are well worth perusing.
    Thank you, the number that stuck out to me is found under Serious/Critical as these are the folks that need (or will likely need) ventilators.

    I find it very hard to "believe" the numbers reported out of China... very hard.

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