COVID-19 Contrarians

[T Smith]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to?

Indeed. One of its primary responsibilities is not to lie to the public, especially during, but not limited to, a time of crisis...

Every other so-called responsibility is suspect if we don't have trust.

From what I can tell, that's where we're at...

[DaveToo]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Trying to be simple
You have more chance of dying from something other than the virus this month according to the video below.
It might be a bit long but the "facts" are well presented.
The statistics are the same as used by professional advising the Government.
WHO may not be believed but the point is thats what has been projected to scare people.

The video looks in depth at the official data and projects a different story from the UK fear mongering.

I have watched the whole video in segments and I believe it to be true
Basically the virus follows curves exactly the same as a seasonal virus.
No more dangerous than last years "flu" ---call it what you will.

Chris thanks for posting the video.
I watched most of it.

His delivery is soft and smooth, measured and for the most part his arguments are sound.

However, the video was made prematurely (March 21, 2020 data).
For example he states that the trends are clear for Russia, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Norway, Brazil and Mexico to name a few, when in fact they are far from that.
He had stated that these countries numbers are in decline when they clearly are not.

He also advocates logarithmic scales to be used in charts over linear to get a clearer picture of what is happening, strangely enough!

But as I mentioned, his overall arguments are sound.
Arguments such as, factors other than Covid-19 are far worse, far more lethal overall for the populace.
So if you feel like worrying about something (which he doesn't recommend) don't worry about Covid-19, choose any number of other things far more lethal to worry about.

[Phoenix]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Trying to be simple
You have more chance of dying from something other than the virus this month according to the video below.
It might be a bit long but the "facts" are well presented.
The statistics are the same as used by professional advising the Government.
WHO may not be believed but the point is thats what has been projected to scare people.

The video looks in depth at the official data and projects a different story from the UK fear mongering.

I have watched the whole video in segments and I believe it to be true
Basically the virus follows curves exactly the same as a seasonal virus.
No more dangerous than last years "flu" ---call it what you will.

Chris thanks for posting the video.
I watched most of it.

His delivery is soft and smooth, measured and for the most part his arguments are sound.

However, the video was made prematurely (March 21, 2020 data).
For example he states that the trends are clear for Russia, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Norway, Brazil and Mexico to name a few, when in fact they are far from that.
He had stated that these countries numbers are in decline when they clearly are not.

He also advocates logarithmic scales to be used in charts over linear to get a clearer picture of what is happening, strangely enough!

But as I mentioned, his overall arguments are sound.

the TEST is unnnreliable, how do people keep basing arguments on the "numbers" of cases??????

bill and everyone else being asked this question cannot answer

[DaveToo]

Posted by Phoenix (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Chris thanks for posting the video.
I watched most of it.

His delivery is soft and smooth, measured and for the most part his arguments are sound.

However, the video was made prematurely (March 21, 2020 data).
For example he states that the trends are clear for Russia, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Norway, Brazil and Mexico to name a few, when in fact they are far from that.
He had stated that these countries numbers are in decline when they clearly are not.

He also advocates logarithmic scales to be used in charts over linear to get a clearer picture of what is happening, strangely enough!

But as I mentioned, his overall arguments are sound.

the TEST is unnnreliable, how do people keep basing arguments on the "numbers" of cases??????

bill and everyone else being asked this question cannot answer

Oh absolutely Phoenix! I am on the same page as you.
The heart of this entire Covid-19 fear mongering is the test!

The test is bogus and so the numbers are totally bogus.

But even if we use their bogus numbers, they still show 'infections' that are peaking overall.

As I've stated recently in this thread, I don't subscribe to any Covid-19 virus.

[Arcturian108]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Very Important audio just received from two different continents:

http://projectavalon.net/AUD-20200330-WA0004.mp3

Who is speaking please?

Good question. I don't know, but will make an attempt to find out.

[AutumnW]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to?

Indeed. One of its primary responsibilities is not to lie to the public, especially during, but not limited to, a time of crisis...

Every other so-called responsibility is suspect if we don't have trust.

From what I can tell, that's where we're at...

That it will overwhelm health care and hospitals if controls are not in place, is not a lie. Other than that, I don't know what you are referring to.

[Phoenix]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Echo chambers are dull!

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

[*]Yes, all Wi-Fi is detrimental to health, and 5G absolutely in particular. I don't think any member here would take issue with that.
(Certainly not myself! I have to have Wi-Fi in my house — the only way I can get the signal, via a relay pole — but I do NOT have it in my bedroom. There's no signal there. No Wi-Fi when sleeping can make a huge amount of difference to overall health. Fortunately, when 5G eventually reaches Ecuador, if it does, it's really unlikely to get anywhere near the very remote sheltered rural valley where I live.)

Well, as a 22 year IT professional I would disagree that all wifi is detrimental to health; that is a dismissive categorization that ignores the complexities of the topic (and, in general; is not accurate at all, otherwise we would have an epidemic level problem in the western countries. (5G is even LESS penetrating as it is at 5,000 Hz vs 2,400 Hz or so we are currently at)).

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[*]The novel coronavirus doesn't just attack older people. The key factor is that it exploits anyone at all whose health is compromised or weakened. In some cases, that can include many younger people as well. Age isn't the thing here. Many younger people will unfortunately succumb as well, and we're already seeing this.

It certainly doesn't seem to effect children at anywhere near the same level as it does adults, or especially the elderly.

If you're 40 or below and in good health, the statistics say you'll be fine. it's the 70+ and those with pre - existing conditions that need to be socially distancing themselves.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[*]So 5G will be a factor that enables the virus (any virus!) to take hold. So will air pollution, smoking, any kind of drug use (pharmaceutical or recreational), heavy metal toxicity, poor water quality, poor diet, an acidic body, high blood pressure (recent research indicates this is a major factor), diabetes, heart or kidney disease, and any chronic inflammatory condition. But these are only exacerbating factors. Not the cause of the pandemic. The coronavirus is a real thing, that's opportunistic — as all viruses are.

I'm pre hypertensive (pre -high blood pressure) and the virus hit me HARD, my SO is not and she slid through with not as intense symptoms as I did. Stressors of any type do interesting things, when chronic (long term) they tend to ware a person's resiliency down, when acute (brief) they seem to greatly help a person grow stronger and better.

Moderation in everything! (even WiFi!)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[*]Always remember: you can't catch 5G symptoms from another person. Infected people who fly into a country with no 5G (like Ecuador) don't suddenly get better. That's how come Ecuador now has 2,300 cases.

And this is why I tossed my response in, the echo chamber can convince itself so much that when someone else steps into it it freaks them the hell out!

5g is POTENTIALLY another chronic stressors (if you live in a city) most people who do not live in cities will not even really be exposed that often to it (due to it's extremely short range).

We are bombarded daily with cosmic radiation, solar radiation, heat (another form of radiation). WIFI is very weak compared to those and 5G will be even "weaker" as far as dermal penetration is concerned.

Don't let this forum be a higher stress source than 5g!(your brain is THAT powerful)

Grains of salt for all!

Posted by Iloveyou (here)
There are countries that officially don‘t have 5G, but still have problems with Corona virus. If you go to the internet to check who has 5G, then you look for the civil technology. What about the military application. Has it been announced yet where it is applied or not!

ZERO 5G on the island I live on, we have 30 confirmed cases currently and the national guard is being activated today to provide tests, treatment and new arrival screening.


Fear is infections, actions speak loudly...

This Orangutan started obsessively washing it's hands after observing it's handlers do so due to the CORVID-19 fear porn...


Think the same doesn't happen with humans? Fear is a CROSS SPECIES disease!

you had respitory problems recently?

did you go to a hospital?

[Delight]

Wim Hof's Corona Survival Guide! | Russell Brand

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BaKirqZYfv4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YfAgSusi6t0

[Phoenix]

ok its continuing to add up.

this dude, in the video below has been predicting stuff correctly for awhile now - sensational, but on the money in terms of the real issue here IMO to health.

i dont agree with his idea that trump is the one with his finngers on the 'switch' to turn 5G on though..

this guy claims 5G is ALREADY IN most hospitals. ive yet to verify this yet and not sure if this is true. can someone help?

this is an absolute bombshell if true and connects all my dots from my previous post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1347501

this explains everything if so, since people go to the hospitals due to fear, and then while in the hospitals start to fear short of breath...

summary:

1. Dont go to the hospital [HIGHEST RF DANGER THERE, 5G ALREADY THERE]
2. Get rid of 'Smart' Meter now
3. FALL OF 2020 MASSIVE DEATHS DUE TO 5G BEING INSTALLED NOW EVERYWHERE since nobody is outside
4. Airpods & Other RF Devices on Your Head Let 5G lock-on to your face to interrupt oxygen right in front of your face…
5. MYSTERY ILLNESS AT Nichols JR High in Arlingtonn Texas in 2017 was test of what’s happening now. All the kids felt better when they went outside, but inside felt sick and couldn’t breathe.
6. Hospitals are empty now…. and the telecom companies are laying 5G infrastructure in schools
7. Social Distancing is to be able to target you easier…
8. The danger is the millimeter wave 60GHZ beams, i.e. 5G which causes Hypoxia and death, NOT some contagion virus…
9. Chloroqune and Hydroxychloroqune causes hemoglobin issues… you need hemoglobin to absorb oxygen…
10. All these things are access points being able to be turned on remotely

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZUIHM4jlRI

[Satori]

Forgive me for being a contrarian, but this is a contrarian thread.

You, and all of us, have every right to be suspicious and suspect of government. In fact, we all have a civic duty to be suspicious.

For instance, in the USA there are a few cases from US federal district courts that ruled that the government is not required to be truthful to its citizens. It is not a violation, these district court judges say, to lie to or withhold information from the public. Now, let me be clear. These cases I mention are not official precedent from the USSC or the US Court of Appeals overseeing those lower court cases. These cases never went up to a higher court. Rather, this a a ruling in particular cases by a federal trial judge, binding on the parties in those cases only on the facts and applicable law of those cases.

But, in fact those cases are expressions, on a case-by-case basis, of the official policy of all governments, not just the USA, to lie. But it’s worse. As a routine matter, it is a civil or criminal violation of law for a citizen to lie to government. You can be fined and or go to jail or prison for knowingly, or recklessly, providing false information to the government. But only rarely is it a civil, never criminal, violation for the government to knowingly provide false information, i.e., lie, or recklessly do so, i.e., not lie, but not bother to be accurate, to its citizens.

This state of affairs needs to be leveled out to a fair playing field and needs to be reciprocal, going both ways, and not just a one way street against the people. Going to work in government is not a license to lie, cheat and steal.

Edit: My post was prompted by post #306 above and the quote of T Smith.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
On the cruise ship where all the people on that ship were confined and all had every potential to come down with this virus at any time yet the contagion never reached or grew beyond 20% of the entire pop. of that cruise ship! Make note 80% of those on the ship were naturally immune! They had either no symptoms or when asked had to think and come up with well maybes at best.

This is what I'm starting to sense. There seems to be some degree of immunity. Also resistance if we see 10,000 cases to 1,000 hospitalized. But then so what if this is a "new virus" which can be shown to have no effects? You would have a hard time finding out since no one wants to test healthy people.

While restricting international supplies via sanctions, the U. S. is receiving from China, Iran, and Russia (for free I think), and also "intercepted" things headed for Canada and France. How backwards is that.


Apparently the varieties in Korea, Australia, Iran, Italy do not come from China. I probably cannot find the article again, but there was an Asian doctor in D. C. who was made to desist from looking into it before the "official reaction".

[T Smith]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to?

Indeed. One of its primary responsibilities is not to lie to the public, especially during, but not limited to, a time of crisis...

Every other so-called responsibility is suspect if we don't have trust.

From what I can tell, that's where we're at...

That it will overwhelm health care and hospitals if controls are not in place, is not a lie. Other than that, I don't know what you are referring to.

I appreciate the current crisis may be overwhelming the health care system and hospitals. I'm not suggesting otherwise, because I honestly don't know. I suspect this virus has presented challenges and is problematic and is potentially disastrous to hospitals and the health care system (I'm not in denial), but at the end of the day, I don't really know. You seem more confident on this point than me, so I will now defer to your good judgment.

How do you know it's not a lie, Autumn? To play devil's advocate--say on behalf of the general observer who hasn't your level of acumen to discern the truth--how do you really know? I'm asking sincerely. Is it just your judgement? Or do you have some inside knowledge you can share? Perhaps you know someone personally in your life--a sister, maybe a neighbor--someone you've known your entire life who is on the front lines, a trauma nurse or a health care professional or an ambulance driver, perhaps, who comes home at night and conveys the horrors to you first hand with no other agenda in tow than to convey their life experiences to you. That would be interesting to me.

Reports from Dr. Fauci, CNN, Fox News, or the local news outlets, however--any mediated experience really--however well intended to inform or reputable in name, only serves to display the subtle art of agenda and sensationalism. We live in a world of mediated experience and mind control. We can discuss that elsewhere, if you disagree, or if you judge I'm exaggerating, but I promise you nothing is what is seems, other than what you know you know.

Here's what I know. I know the CDC tells me vaccines do not cause autism, yet this is a bald-face lie. The CDC is selling me something that is utterly false. Vaccines do cause autism. There is no debate, despite the gaslighting and whitewashing to the contrary, which is outrageous.

At the risk of derailing the thread, I could go on and on here with similar examples of harmful lies disseminated by government that affect lives...

The point is, why should I trust the CDC who tells me to expect 200,000 deaths from COVID-19 by June 1? Or that the present pandemic will "break" our health care system?

I submit this question to you in the contrarian thread, because at present I'm in a contrarian mood. I'm not saying I don't buy the panic. I just want to know what makes you so sure you know what you know.

Kind Regards,
T Smith

[greybeard]

As of yesterday UK there have been 2,921 death cumulative as on the live link.
That is hardly worse for the period of time than conventional winter "virus"
There has been 33,718 confirmed cases there will have been many not confirmed.
Honestly keep it simple.

The fear projection is the concern why lockdown for a normal seasonal event?
Yes I appreciate some countries are having it worse than the UK but then some are better and dont have the Draconian measures imposed here.
Chris

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...0b19484dd4bb14

[greybeard]

Thanks Delight the advice really appreciated.
I have ordered from Amazon--Time being I am using DMSO
Suppliers on Amazon who give dental "potions" have run out.
Im not the body but I have a responsibility to look after it.

Regards Chris

[onawah]

Good grief! Fed's chosen CV vax producer has billions in court penalties, no vax development experience
From John Gilmore, Autism Action Network
4/3/20
(in an email update today--I don't see it on their website yet: http://autismactionnetwork.org/ ) This is going to require a massive protest!


"The company selected by the federal government to fast-track develop a coronavirus vaccine is the subject of billions in court settlements and judgments, in the last year alone, for being a key operator in the opioid epidemic among other criminal activities, and it has no track record in creating or manufacturing vaccines. And the federal agency that issued the contract is part of the same federal department that will oversee every aspect of the vaccine's evaluation, licensing, and distribution.

Johnson and Johnson (J&J), and it subsidiary Janssen Pharmaceutica, the enormous global medical products firm, was awarded a $450 million contract on Monday by the US federal government. J&J will be committing its own resources to bring the total value of the project to more than $1 billion. Trials of the vaccine are expected to begin in September and production for general use is expected to begin in early 2021. Normally testing and safety analysis of a new vaccine in the US takes 5 to 7 years. J&J will build a new vaccine factory in the US with a goal of producing a billion doses annually beginning next year. Yet no vaccine licensed for use in the US was developed or is manufactured by J&J. And the federal government is already assuming that the vaccine will be safe and effective.

Expedited development of vaccines in the US has a poor track record. In 1976 a vaccine was quickly brought to market for an outbreak of swine flu but just as quickly withdrawn when multiple cases of Guillain Barre Syndrome were caused. And the H1N1 virus rushed to market in 2009 also caused significant numbers of Guillain Barre Syndrome among other side effects.

It is hard to imagine any company could be facing more lawsuits than J&J. According to the Wall Street journal J&J had 103,000 legal claims by companies, individuals, states, cities, counties and other legal entities in the middle of last year. J&J have had legal judgments and settlements of more than $10 billion just in the previous two years.

Last fall an Oklahoma Court fined J&J $465 million for its role in the opioid epidemic in that state. Judge Thad Balkman said J&J had promulgated "false, misleading, and dangerous marketing campaigns" that had "caused exponentially increasing rates of addiction, overdose, deaths" and babies born exposed to opioids. J&J also agreed to a $20 million settlement for damages associated with opioids in two Ohio counties. Thousands of other suits are pending across the US.

J&J was a major player contracting with poppy growers in Australia to supply 60% of the opiate ingredients used for drugs like oxycodone. It also produced an opioid pill the company sold in 2015, and Duragesic, a fentanyl patch.

In a statement released with the announcement of a lawsuit in the spring of 2019 against J&J and other opioid manufacturers, New York Attorney General Leticia James said, "We found that pharmaceutical manufacturers and distributors engaged in years of deceptive marketing about the risks of opioids and failed to exercise their basic duty to report suspicious behavior, leading to the crisis we are living with today."

J&J's legal problems go far beyond opioids. Last month a New Jersey court ordered J&J to pay $186 million in four cases where plaintiffs claimed using J&J talcum powder that contained asbestos caused ovarian cancer. Lawyers for the plaintiffs established that J&J knew the powder contained asbestos but denied that fact publicly. The judgment follows multiple other settlements and awards to plaintiffs including a $4.7 billion judgment by Missouri court in 2018.

J&J also agreed in October of 2019 to a $117 million settlement with 41 states and the District of Columbia over false claims made in the marketing of a pelvic mesh product. Suits are still outstanding with 4 other states.

A Philadelphia jury awarded $8 billion in October 2019 to settle 10,000 lawsuits against J&J for side effects, including gynecomastia (males growing female breasts), associated with its Risperdal product. Risperdal was licensed as a n anti-psychotic marketed extensively in the early 2000s to treat "irritability" associated with autism, and was the first drug licensed to address autism symptoms.

Earlier in 2019 J&J reached a $775 million settlement in 25,000 lawsuits alleging patients were not adequately warned about the risks of life-threatening complications of their Xarelto blood thinner.

All safety and efficacy testing for vaccines is performed by the company seeking to license the product, and then submitted for evaluation to various agencies within the Federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The process assumes the applicant will supply accurate information to the regulatory agencies, yet with J&J the applicant has a very long and well-established record of deception and lawbreaking.

The process also rests on the assumption that the regulatory agencies will be a disinterested parties in the outcome of the application process, yet the federal government is already planning on producing a billion vaccines within months, and every aspect of the development, evaluation and marketing of the vaccine will be under the jurisdiction of HHS. The contract will be administered by the Biological Advanced Research Development Authority (BARDA), a unit of HHS. Safety and efficacy evaluation of the new vaccine will be the responsibility of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) which are also units within HHS. The CDC is also the single largest buyer of vaccines in the US, primarily for the Vaccines for Children Program. Any injuries that may occur from the use of a vaccine would be adjudicated by the Health Resources and Services Administration, which is also a unit within HHS.

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[shaberon]

Posted by onawah (here)

Johnson and Johnson (J&J), and it subsidiary Janssen Pharmaceutica, the enormous global medical products firm, was awarded a $450 million contract on Monday by the US federal government. J&J will be committing its own resources to bring the total value of the project to more than $1 billion. Trials of the vaccine are expected to begin in September and production for general use is expected to begin in early 2021. Normally testing and safety analysis of a new vaccine in the US takes 5 to 7 years. J&J will build a new vaccine factory in the US with a goal of producing a billion doses annually beginning next year. Yet no vaccine licensed for use in the US was developed or is manufactured by J&J. And the federal government is already assuming that the vaccine will be safe and effective.

This is interesting since one of the few films I have watched about this stuff was with the guy from J&J, which is relatively old by now, and the main take-away lesson I got was about wealth planning so one's grandchildren are secure; i. e. dynasty.

This is really the way it's set up to work??

Most of those lawsuits came out after the film (I think) and I was not aware they were that thoroughly hooked into multiple scenarios. I am not sure where they hide these contracts, we should be able to get something more than a word about it.

[Satori]

A representative from Johnson & Johnson was among the globalist sitting around the table at Event 201. Coincidence I’m sure.

And, let us recall that government contracts are theoretically awarded to the “lowest priced, responsible bidder.” So, what you get is the cheapest product, where corners are cut, and change orders are requested, and sometimes granted, whereby the contract price is increased over time, but the product does not necessarily get better. And if the change order requests increasing the price are not awarded, the product usually gets worse.

[onawah]

No doubt we will be hearing a lot more about this in time from Autism Action Network, Children's Health Defense, etc.

Posted by shaberon (here)

Most of those lawsuits came out after the film (I think) and I was not aware they were that thoroughly hooked into multiple scenarios. I am not sure where they hide these contracts, we should be able to get something more than a word about it.

[Tomkoyote]

Pic2019/2020

[Rawhide68]

Hi folks!

The Solari Report

The Creation of a False Epidemic with Jon Rappoport

I have followed Jon Rappoport over the years as well as Catherrine Austin Fitts (The Solari Report ), and recomend you to listen his opinion as I concider him quite an expert in this topic.

https://home.solari.com/the-creation...jon-rappoport/

Click to dl or listen

PART I: HOW IT STARTED

PART II: THE MEDICAL CIA, COVERT OP

PART III: THE TRUE GOAL OF THE FALSE PANDEMIC

It's scary to listen to, but unfortunately I think there is more than a grain of sand truth of what he has to say.