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    I'm still on the fence with this. On the one hand, considering the low fatality numbers compared to other diseases it seems that what makes this whole corona shebang so real are the political shutdowns of public life and the resulting mass hysteria. On the other hand, I don't wanna be irresponsible in face of a virus that does have severe health effects and does kill people, even though it's not on a mass scale (yet).

    This thread is meant to collect information from researchers and medical experts who argue that the panic is overblown from a medical point of view and that we should be more concerned with the negative consequences for civil liberties.


    Wolfgang Wodarg, physician:


    Gerald Celente, trend forecaster:


    David Icke, independent researcher:


    Max Igan, independent researcher:


    Drew Pinsky, physician:
    “What I have a problem with is the panic and the fact that businesses are getting destroyed and people’s lives are being upended. Not by the virus, but by the panic,” he explained. “The panic must stop, and the press, they really, somehow, need to be held accountable, because they are hurting people.”
    (The Washington Times, March 10th)

    Shiva Ayyadurai, biological engineer:
    “As an MIT PhD in Biological Engineering who studies & does research nearly every day on the Immune System, the #coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!”
    (TechStartups, March 12th)

    Jon Rappoport, independent researcher:
    "[T]he 2020 “epidemic” is identical to the previous duds: farcical announcement of an outbreak; miraculously quick and dubious “discovery” of a virus; deployment of diagnostic tests that don’t work; deceptive inflation of case numbers; ludicrous claim of global spread; where actual illness is occurring, a cover-up of the true reasons, which have nothing to do with a virus."
    (NoMoreFakeNews)
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    The Coronavirus COVID-19: “Agenda ID2020”

    by Peter König (March 14, 2020)

    What is the infamous ID2020? It is an alliance of public-private partners, including UN agencies and civil society. It’s an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity. The program harnesses existing birth registration and vaccination operations to provide newborns with a portable and persistent biometrically-linked digital identity. GAVI, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, identifies itself on its website as a global health partnership of public and private sector organizations dedicated to “immunization for all”. GAVI is supported by WHO, and needless to say, its main partners and sponsors are the pharma-industry.

    The ID2020 Alliance at their 2019 Summit, entitled “Rising to the Good ID Challenge”, in September 2019 in New York, decided to roll out their program in 2020, a decision confirmed by the WEF in January 2020 in Davos. Their digital identity program will be tested with the government of Bangladesh. GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance, and “partners from academia and humanitarian relief” (as they call it), are part of the pioneer party.

    Is it just a coincidence that ID2020 is being rolled out at the onset of what WHO calls a Pandemic? – Or is a pandemic needed to ‘roll out’ the multiple devastating programs of ID2020?


    full article:
    (first published on globalresearch.ca)

    https://kenfm.de/the-coronavirus-cov...agenda-id2020/


    PS.

    If you want to get the shivers, have a look at the GAVI website. One of their articles is titled: „Fingerprint records and digital health cards to help solve global identity crisis“. Identity crisis! That‘s exactly what we (as a species and as individuals) suffer from. We do not know who we are. But I doubt their methods will help us solve it.
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    Christian, it seems you are on the fence about the FACE VALUE of how this crisis is being sold - what the actual danger is of 'CV virus' as the media is portraying it.

    I strongly think 'OTHER' is the right way to view this very long planned and deliberate crisis that has many, many, many dominos waiting for an excuse to get pushed under this fake scapegoat..... and I predict there many more dominos in waiting to also use the excuse than we see now.

    In terms of the face value 'coronavirus', I agree with the pundits you cited as how there is ZERO actual need for this worldwide overreaction/forced isolations/gathering cancellations/travel cancellation, PANIC, TOTAL disruption of normal life/incomes/plans which is about to lead to TOTAL destruction of former paths of STABILITY/FOOD/ESSENTIALS worldwide.

    HOWEVER.

    They're not addressing what appears to be the real biological threat - the hidden biological weaponry able to trigger the illness on any individual, city or country and conveniently now able to have this CV virus as the scapegoat.

    I viewed the press conference yesterday with horror as the spectacle of Trump dropping the true intents of this agenda under this grand fake excuse. He paraded out all the head liars from each participating agency to explain the draconian measures their agency were going to be rolling out. I saw it as a historical evil moment in history.

    The agenda is obviously the use of this excuse as a cloak to enact:

    1. The further isolation of people from each other EVEN within cities (we had already been locally news isolated for years from other cities/countries) so we can't share/compare, and are terrified to interact let alone organize.

    2. The targeted killing off of older people under the cloak/lie that 'older people are especially more susceptible, the young are not'. Actually said.

    3. The rollout of ENORMOUS amounts more of surveillance invasive, privacy depleting, rights depleting laws under the cloak of 'emergency protection'.

    4. The demonization of currency to begin the psychological conditioning to convert to all digital.

    5. The destruction of ALL common ways of conducting life erasing the connections between small businesses, how essentials are obtained, how entertainment is obtained, more more more..... leading to leaving the world dependent on the remaining global/corporate suppliers of poisoned goods, poisoned food, poisoned imagery.

    6. The destruction of the financial structure that the stability of millions are tied to through the stock market crash, bank failures.

    7. The destruction of the travel industry, even within countries, and the destruction of the ability to as freely enjoy national parks, fresh air, open spaces and escape tyranny.

    8. The domino effect of all these hits happening in rapid succession - WHICH WILL BE COMBINED THIS YEAR WITH MUCH MORE WEATHER DESTRUCTION - will leave millions and millions jobless, homeless, foodless, penniless, hopeless.

    DOMINOS DOMINOS DOMINOS

    They pushed the dominos. There's no turning back now.

    I call what was said and set in stone in...

    The March Friday the 13th 2020 Presidential News Conference -

    THE DAY THE AMERICAN DREAM WAS MURDERED

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    We all are in deep s***t today because of one fundamental reason and one reason only. The predominant species on this planet is not human with a brain. The vast majority is stupid cattle in a human shape. People like David Icke and a number of others have been trying hard for decades to educate the cattle. But the undeniable fact is that the cattle is not educatable and cannot register. Don't they say you can't teach a pig to sing....
    A few days ago I attended a cultural event with 180-200 attendees; were present consuls and ambassadors from many countries, lawyers, doctors, etc.... When introducing myself I tried to shake hands, but no, no one wanted to shake hands. It is elbow to elbow contact now, and these idiots were laughing, smiling and proud of it.
    A friend of mine was telling me a few days ago that he was on the train on his way to work and the train was packed as usual. He sneezed, and people started distancing themselves from him. Today it's okay to fart in public but sneezing or coughing is not okay.
    Cattle is as cattle does.

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    The Chinese were apparently baffled by the U. S. Secretary of State going to World Health Organization to demand this be called Wuhan virus.

    The Chinese response, based on CDC statements, was: the U. S. has no patient zero. There were a number of deaths attributed to influenza or bronchitis, which, posthumously tested positive for Covid 19 virus. Others who are living with it, such as a teenager with no travel history, just don't fit the model.

    U. S. is apparently the only country to have all five known strains; other places only have one or two.

    Although there is no argument that the main outbreak was in Wuhan, how it got there, or what started it, is maybe a little more intricate than it just leaped off a bat or fish. Might have come from a non-Chinese.

    What ensues from "panic" and having our government "do stuff" is unlikely to help. They are already in a wad about the "known flus", and are not in a position and/or are unable to help much on this. About the only way they can possibly help anything is to lock up criminals, which they are also not very good at.

    The public, here, are already such germophobes, this is what I have noticed: in our public bathrooms at work, there are wastebaskets with "flippy" lids. Why a wastebasket needs a lid, I have no idea. The public is so afraid of the trash that they cannot push a paper towel through a swinging lid. So, the lid just gets covered with used paper towels, defeating whatever the purpose the lid may have had, and bringing any germs closer to you, the paper towel disposer. But we figured out that if you catch the lid on a wrinkle of the trash bag, it stays open, and then they can actually get the trash, into the trash.

    "Who" is so afraid of everything? I don't personally know anybody who is like, "Hi, I'm afraid of everything,", but it must be pretty common.

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    Here's the thing. I fully accept that the PTB will use COVID-19 to accelerate their plans for surveillance of the population, cashless society, etc.

    But that doesn't mean that COVID-19 is not a real virus which has severe health effects on a minority of the people infected.

    I know that Wuhan was a centre for the roll-out of 5G in China, but the "COVID-19 is not real" theory has to explain why so many people have got ill in Iran and Italy, and now elsewhere in Europe - and probably the US albeit undetected. If COVID-19 is not the causative agent, then what is, and how is it transferred, and how come that transmission looks very much like a virus?

    My own opinion is that COVID-19 is an experimental virus (bioweapon implies intent) which escaped from the Wuhan lab - there's a lot of back story there. Alternatively, it could be a bioweapon from the US - the Chinese authorities are now saying that publicly, which seems absolutely crazy to me. Seems like the normal rules of hiding the truth as much as possible do not apply - why?

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    The problem is that very little can be solved by “faith alone”. As a matter of fact we have got even to this point of our history thanks to millions of peoples effort.
    Effort is an action, labour, workout other than just spontaneous ejection of creativity to time space. Continuous effort, that is cause and effect, precision and errors. So far there are still too many errors.

    We live in biosphere inhabited by millions of advanced and not so advanced creatures and not all of them were benevolent to us when in plenty and before we hunted them to death and closed them to ZOOs.

    We and them lived in violent relationships, eating each other for most of our history, so as there is millions of different “us” as there is millions of them, different versions of beastly nature fighting each other in the world battlefields.

    Problem is that people keep doing and causing lots of unhealthy things to themselves then end up blaming their “governments” for allowing it to happen.
    Without appropriate education of any subject any singular information may turn misleading.

    Common people have always engaged in extensive “political debates”, with no background education required based on the veracity of their “opinion”.
    I’m sure that even some of the oldest caves of this world witnessed fierce “political debates”( sometimes resulting in sudden mass burials under).

    Yet we have so many tools now like the internet and books available globally so anyone in the civilised world can catch up on subjects they missed
    and find out more about our own biology and living universe surrounding us if they want to even a little bit.

    Another problem , many people forced to become their own doctors for timebeing become then doctors “by flip of a moment” rather than years of genuine study and practice.

    Again, do not blame government for “feeding you” fake news.

    This is not a TV and you’re not little kid to be fed the story you wanted to see this evening. There are good movies of course. Good movie is always an option,

    Study more to find more links between the natural world we live in compared to level of information available. There is so much we could learn if we had the capacity to do that,


    The Covid 19 epidemic situation reminds me of how many steps can be skipped in short time globally and jump to another version of our near future.
    So much people did not know that they’ve learned in no time.

    Of course there is a generation of people who are on the leave who literally say “we are done here we don’t want to learn anymore”.
    It’s not an opinion of mine, it’s something people commonly start saying after reaching certain age -
    in many cases it’s not true and they can help themselves if they wish to but in majority of “stoppers” the condition becomes a mind condition and life style.
    Worse, it often ends in homes for elderly and disabled following symptoms of early dementia.

    This is unfortunately what we see in the global community, a generation of elders who can’t read here, they don’t know what’s going on and get little if any help from their family and the state .. they become dead people for the society once they are poor and disabled.

    This is what is happening also, dear Christian. And it will take another 20 or 30 years before all these people are gone or in good hands, living their worthy human experience till the end, with mental clarity and dignity and so forth.


    Why are all the systems taking “on us” today ? Because too many people live without minds ? Just following their emotions ? Because following the Homo sapiens is another homo till one gets wiser about it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uring-lockdown

    People singing from their windows and balconies in Italy as “one tribe”, God Bless really, who can judge ? 😀

    That activity alone is the best way to spread the virus ..living so close to each other.

    Italy has lots of faith alone that’s too much suffering


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    Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai has been calling out the coronavirus scaremongering as a deepstate hoax (social engineering project) on his twitter feed for a while now.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/va_shiva/...36487151177728


    https://mobile.twitter.com/va_shiva/...42721741848578

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    There are more medical experts in Germany coming out saying that the panic is completely overblown. One is Prof. Dr. Karin Mölling, former Director of the Institute of Virology at the University of Zürich. An interview with her appeared in the German state radio which adds on its website that Mölling is "cynical" because you can't compare the numbers of corona deaths to the death toll of other diseases. I wonder why not? Isn't that exactly what you have to do? The radio says that old people are at greater risk. That's true, but that's also the case with the flu. Mölling says she's flabbergasted by what's going on and considering the current political climate, she'd have to fear for her job if she wasn't retired already.

    Then there's Dr. Heiko Schöning who essentially says the same. He has also done phenomenal research regarding the anthrax story that preceded 911. He was able to conclusively prove that the official story about who was behind it was a lie and that it was most likely an intelligence operation. Long story, unfortunately I can't find his research in English. He also found an odd detail regarding corona, namely that George W. Bush's personal physician on 911, Richard Tubb, joined British American Tobacco as a non-executive director in 2013 and that the tobacco industry is now instrumental in developing a vaccine for corona. More about that here at Politico, you can also find it elsewhere.

    So many professionals coming out against the shutdowns. And yet they keep marching forward with this here in Germany, what a bizarre situation.

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    I really, really hope there is justice.
    For this reason I also hope there is a HELL where these demons go, but NOT for their pleasure.
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    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
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    Yes the top dogs of medical professionals are often the most cynical. I don’t know how to tell you how bad they can be even to their own colleagues.

    It’s due to these people many truths never get out of hospitals and medical communities, labs etc. before it’s too late.
    There are countless localised epidemics around hospitals and medical centres where people concentrate and that despite the best disinfection efforts.
    Some hospitals are straight recipes for disasters, surgical wards for example. The amount of sepsis passed from one patient to another is hardly under control so far.

    “They” have been lying to people a lot about many things for very long now.

    That’s to say there are countless priceless doctors and nurses with golden hearts but there is a system dumping on their heads and holding their hands at all times now,


    I hope we will hear some of these truths coming out and the call to address the situation better,
    compared to it this Covid 19 is insignificant, truly. There is constant biological war we are against now, just realise it’s the part of natural fight and selection process here even while it can be “enhanced” and triggered by human activity,
    intentionally or not.

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    One of the big problems, alluded to above rather graphically (!), is that most people won't accept the fact that we're being played. If they could see that there's a big organ that Someone(s) are playing on that makes us move or not move, then maybe they'd manage to panic less and plan better.

    I said something to that effect to a guy at the market yesterday, in regard to the toilet paper fiasco. He glanced at me and his smile faded and he looked like I was about to attack him. Maybe I was, belief systems wise.

    Virus or no virus doesn't change this fact of being played. It--either way--only aggrandizes it. Maybe we have to resign ourselves to the idea that most won't accept it.

    The question is--what is the Real virus ?

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    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    I'm still on the fence with this. On the one hand, considering the low fatality numbers compared to other diseases it seems that what makes this whole corona shebang so real are the political shutdowns of public life and the resulting mass hysteria. On the other hand, I don't wanna be irresponsible in face of a virus that does have severe health effects and does kill people, even though it's not on a mass scale (yet).

    This thread is meant to collect information from researchers and medical experts who argue that the panic is overblown from a medical point of view and that we should be more concerned with the negative consequences for civil liberties.

    Brilliant post, christian... This is what I put my money on February 26th.

    We'll see. I have made losing bets before.

    ...and won a few, too.
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    Another contrarian voice in the wilderness, statistician William Briggs.

    Quote Two years ago was twice as bad as this year’s horrible numbers. But I don’t recall a panic then, and there isn’t one now, either. About the flu. Importantly, there weren’t any travel restrictions or extraordinary measures taken to contain the flu then or now, yet the flu each year, as it does, burned itself out for all the reasons you already know (it gets warmer, people go outside, etc.).
    Briggs really does know his advanced mathematics and it shows. These posts can be heavy going for those not so inclined, but stick with it...

    Original post: https://wmbriggs.com/post/29117/

    He makes the important point that
    Quote It cannot be that the number of new cases and deaths will increase without limit exponentially. When the panic/concern started a week or so back, I saw some projections of 1,178,144 deaths by 21 February using these kinds of exponential models.
    He also shoots down Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding's tweet that
    Quote Whoa- the rate of increase ***outside of China*** is steeper than inside of China or Wuhan! Figure 1A. From: @TheLancet ‘Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of 2019-nCoV http://bit.ly/2GF6gZP’)
    With

    Quote Well of course it is. Being a novel virus to a new, uninfected area, and the rate of increase necessarily is higher than in an area where is it extant. The rate of increase on the price a new widget, previously non-existent, is infinite.

    I never did hear back from Fiegl-Ding (what a fun name!).
    Am I wrong in sensing that some want this to be worse than it seems to be?
    And the follow-ups:

    https://wmbriggs.com/post/29186/
    https://wmbriggs.com/post/29469/
    https://wmbriggs.com/post/29761/
    https://wmbriggs.com/post/29566/

    Just an update to say how much I love one of the comments:

    Quote Remember when an epidemic was more than a tiny portion of the population and the death rate well over 50%. Seems we managed to wipe out all the big scary diseases, so now we have to exaggerate and wring hands over everything. A measles epidemic is less than 100 people in a country of 330 million. We are terrified of tiny insects, having defeated the giants.
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    Have a look at John McAfee's recent twitter threads, most certainly contrarian. Very irreverant. And funny as s**t


    https://twitter.com/officialmcafee?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Here's one:

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    At the risk of sounding neutral, I don't really see a contraction between the alarmists and the contrarians... Is this not two sides of the same coin? I have little doubt this a colossal psyop waged against the people, one that was carefully planned and released, by design. The timing seems especially suspect after the failed coup attempt to remove the rogue Administration of POTUS. To be clear I am not suggesting the PTB are merely "exploiting" a good crisis to advance their agenda (who among us really believes in convienent coincidences?) I'm suggesting they created it... Thus far it would seem we plebs are filing right in line and are reacting exactly per the outcome generated by their AI models. That is, the very nature of this virus attacks by design to facilitate the global orchestration of hysteria, fear, lockdown, and eventually ultimate revolution, NWO, and a boot stamping on a human face forever. All said the progenitors of this psyop/attack have deployed a weapon that actually does kill people and which was designed to kill people in such a way to collapse the health systems of the various nation states of the world and the global economy as we know it. In short, it's very real. And it's all a psyop.

    To wit:

    If I were orchestrating a weapon to deploy against the world population--one that had potential to do all that--what would be the perfect bioweapon? It surely wouldn't be a virus so lethal that the ensuing counter measures would stop it in its tracks well before its masterminds could evoke the global panic necessary to usher in whatever horrendous agenda they had in store. The Georgia Guidestones end game of 500m population comes to mind to me; I'm only speculating here--who the hell knows what the end game agenda is? It could be anything, mandatory vaccinations, chipping the population, etc., but whatever it is, it is clear to me it requires the full submission of the global population to the ruling elite and PTB--such that we chattel are stripped of all our civil liberties and freedoms, and my guess is said agenda is nothing good for us.

    To be clear, I'm not suggesting the coronavirus is anywhere near deadly enough to reduce the world population by 90%, but my guess is it is just nasty enough to make a lot of people sick enough to require a hospital bed and just deadly enough to create the panic and fear necessary for the masses of the world to happily submit to whatever draconian system of governance that we empower with the authority to eventually deploy other methods and measures to reduce the world population by 90%. Covid-19 is merely the catalyst.

    So... in sum, if I were I tasked to develop such a catalyst I would engineer a rather benign virus, one much more contagious than viruses we humans typically deal with in our everyday environment, say one that lives on surfaces 10x longer than normal, one whose incubation period is 4x the normal incubation period, etc., but one that is only 2x as lethal as a nasty flu virus--say one the vast majority of us would survive without issue. In a few words, I would engineer a virus that facilitates just enough panic and fear to create the very psyop the contrarians are pointing out.

    Of course I am only speculating here based on my limited understanding of the varying agendas at play among the power circles that control the world; I could be well off target and hope I am. However, if I'm even remotely on target, I don't know exactly what response We the People should invoke. It seems clear to me we are under attack. How do we defend against this?
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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Have a look at John McAfee's recent twitter threads, most certainly contrarian. Very irreverant. And funny as s**t
    In this tweet he compares the deaths from flu in a year (with a rather high estimate) with the deaths from corona in a couple of months. Besides, the world population is approaching 8 billion. I agree with the orchestrated hysteria part though.


    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    [M]y guess is it is just nasty enough to make a lot of people sick enough to require a hospital bed and just deadly enough to create the panic and fear necessary for the masses of the world to happily submit to whatever draconian system of governance that we empower with the authority to eventually deploy other methods and measures to reduce the world population by 90%. Covid-19 is merely the catalyst. […]

    In a few words, I would engineer a virus that facilitates just enough panic and fear to create the very psyop the contrarians are pointing out.
    My hunch is that you're on the money. As for your question how do we defend against this, I think by embodying exactly the type of energies that you want to see in this world, by anchoring the qualities that you believe will make this world a better place. This psyop is a wave meant to shake us off our feet, pull us in and make us beg for their help. But it's a not so subtle move, which hints at desperation on their side. I believe that, in all of this, standing our ground means winning.
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    That German pulmonologist Dr Wolfgang Wodarg (post #1) is qualified to talk about his specialist area in a way that others are not. He is a primary source of information when alternative media personalities are merely secondary sources whose disagreements are of secondary importance. Dr Wodarg makes some interesting points and supplies a few interesting statistics. One interesting point: viruses, he reminds us, HAVE TO MUTATE to survive. My comment – notice, no conspiracies required: conspirators are themselves viral in their behaviour, but here they are surplus to requirements. Viral behaviours mutate in every way possible: e.g. when computers first came on the scene, they soon started catching a string of “viruses”, in the first instance entirely by passing through the brains of human programmers, even though strictly speaking they are mindless. As we know, the inefficacy of vaccines is likely due to vaccinating against last year’s strain. Global conspiracies are the same, and no amount of vaccination seems to work as they keep one step ahead.

    The doctor’s stats: the annual “flu” phenomenon always includes a cluster of up to 100 viruses, and coronaviruses invariably account for 7-15% of the mix: nothing new there. Individual patients may have several, so if they die, it is not obvious which virus killed them. Also the background rate of “flu” sufferers is 8-10%, who have a death rate of 1 per 1000.

    Here is a personal statistic based on the tiny local sample of just one medical practice. Our doctor said the other day that he had had only 5 flu patients all winter. This would not mean that the background rate has suddenly dropped, but more likely that the severity level dropped: people would still be feeling symptoms, but mild enough not to bother the doctor, knowing in any case that he is not going to be able to do much. The drop in severity would have a double cause: the mild winter we have had and as a result stronger organisms, both making it harder for the virus to do much damage. So here we have a shortage of flu cases, and elsewhere coronavirus cases are being counted separately. It would make sense therefore to see Covid-19 as the flavour of the season and all the stay-at-home cases are likely very mild sufferers not worth reporting themselves. But even if that is not universally applicable, we need to see that flu epidemics, for example, can be reduced on a business-as-usual basis, without actually taking any particular precautions. We know that flu epidemics kill huge numbers, but we don’t know things like on which day the figures rose steeply or began to drop. We might do well to improve our baseline response instead of panicking when things take an unusual turn.

    What is happening is that by and large we are getting more sensitive to less stimulus. To understand this, take smoking. We used to bear with smokers everywhere; nowadays people can be indisposed by others in no-smoke areas merely wearing clothes that smell of tobacco. Or take crime: crime is dropping, but reported crime and crime reporting are going up. It seems we have become hypersensitized to winter viruses although they are doing less damage. I really don’t need to hear of each new case worldwide in realtime, unless I work for the WHO. If you do, then you would be like a formerly heavy smoker gasping for a whiff of tobacco.

    All the above, and notably the disagreement among alternative media personalities, has relevance to the close context of this forum inasmuch it participates in the epidemic of hearsay, likes and mindless retweets that is drowning us on social media. In defence of his backing of the official story, Bill Ryan has described certain members as being “in DENIAL”, and called out one particular member, a medical doctor by profession, as totally irresponsible. Fortunately, contrarians are allowed to disagree… This is fair enough as a vigorous stance being taken by a responsible forum owner, but problematical when seen in light of a possible enactment of the so-called Anglo-Saxon mission, of which we ordinary folk only have third- or rather fourth-hand information, through an anonymous whistle-blower speaking to Bill Ryan after allegedly overhearing some minor plotters talking about something they allegedly knew about. Remember, Project Avalon is the forum that gave the world “Charles”, Pete Peterson with David Wilcock in tow, and the infamous Corey Goode; a well-meaning site, maybe, but with not the best track record, it must be admitted. Another problematic stance is defending Brexit, which as I have pointed out elsewhere, is clearly an operation staged by the same UK conservatives who were allegedly plotting the Anglo-Saxon mission back whenever, and as such they would be the hidden hand behind this “pandemic” if any such were needed – beyond straightforward incompetent government (I’ll come back to this). Brexit was already a case of self-isolation, by a nation, from a perceived virus, namely Europe. Will it work? It looks highly unlikely.

    Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman. I would suggest that anyone plotting against the good of humanity is suffering from some type of viral infection of the brain. This is possibly what was originally meant by the religious concept of original sin. The story of Adam and Eve is a fable of viral infection: Eve is first infected then infects Adam, and together they go on to infect the rest of humanity. The fruit or apple is simply a magnification of this invisible particle being passed around. With the tree of the knowledge of good and evil bearing this forbidden fruit, the knowledge was not forbidden; it was the knowledge that while we are all one, there is this one exception that does not belong and needs to be kept at a distance. Adam and Eve failed to understand the danger. We seem to have reached the stage where enough ignorance of this has put humanity as a whole on the danger list.

    This virus is contagious, threatens anyone getting too close, which is why understandably the majority treat conspiracy theory like the plague it is. The problem is that something has to be done about a situation that is only getting worse, notably because many of those tackling it are getting contaminated. If it is a disease to which all are exposed then there is no point criminalizing victims and victims of victims. We need to find a vaccine and a cure, better still become immunized. Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease. Something needs to be done about our leadership, not because they are evil human beings, but because they are infected, which is why they have become increasingly incompetent (see article “The incompetence pandemic”).
    This incompetent leadership is something that has been worsening for a long time now, with every succeeding administration more useless than the outgoing one. It is not so much that bad people are rising to the top as that the top has been definitively infected, and good people rising to the top are inevitably contaminated. Hence not only do ordinary people steer well clear of conspiracy theory, they also give a wide berth to positions of authority, thereby creating a vacuum between us and them which only makes matters worse by disempowering those selfsame people. Until this situation changes, the leadership issue will never be solved.

    Understandably then, this inhuman virus is stopping us doing everything we humans need to be doing: living and having a good time together, kissing and shaking hands, looking after our old folks, joining crowds, enjoying sports, entertainment etc. etc. All this is going out of the window until we become immune and get back to the real stuff – or vice versa. Not to be too callous about this, but the people who are dying, mostly very old, maybe it is just that their time had come. We always want to prolong a life, so when we bow to the inevitable it always seems too soon. That is not necessarily so: many old people disagree, to the point of requesting euthanasia. One problem with a pandemic is that even people who would not normally do so are taking an overly negative view of death, when the death rate is 100%, as it has always been, and longevity has never been higher. A little more awareness would reconcile us to the idea that we have a little more control over these things. That is the good that is going to come out of all this. Take the medieval saying “Finis coronat opus” (the end crowns the work): it’s not over until it’s over; so, rather than resigning yourself to an imminent Armageddon, you keep doing whatever you can. No confinement can halt that process.


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    Just sharing some thoughts...
    So what if this was a biological weapon?
    Implemented in strategic places for maximum effect; China (at Chinese New Year, peak period for incoming/outgoing visitors to China) Italy (during half term when the majority of U.K. and European schools and avid skiers decent on Northern Italy) Iran (needs no explanation!)
    The initial people exposed to high, potentially airborne doses get hit hard. High mortality rates. The people they pass it onto also highly exposed. From there down the chain it gets milder.
    Some air travel spreads the initial hit of the virus. Meanwhile everyone around the globe with ‘normal’ seasonal flu who is tested with the kit, flags up as a positive. How reliable are the kits...could they just be flagging up any trace of any strain of corona?

    China’s economy crashes, shortly followed by the EU.

    Worldwide medical martial law is imposed for months, causing further financial turmoil and isolating families and instills fear everywhere. Health services buckle under the strain of having to admit anyone with a cough, leaving the elderly and infirm to die quietly at home as it’s now survival of the fittest in the eyes of the health service priority list. Anyone over 70 is no longer allowed out their homes anyway.

    Implement mandatory vaccination, roll in cashless society and so on.

    In the meantime the US has deployed a further 20,000 fully kitted out soldiers to join the 10,000 already in Europe, to take part in a ‘war game’ (Red Dawn anyone?!)

    The rest we know plays out like a bad Hollywood script, Tom Hanks won’t be staring in it though as he’s self isolated himself and tweeting updates for probably what is a much higher salary than his usual acting jobs.

    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Is this a drill or the real thing? Is there anything we can actually do other than sit and wait for it to roll out in real time?
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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman.
    Maybe viruses were alien to humans at some point.
    By now they're an essential part of our genome—and not necessarily a bad part.

    Our DNA contains roughly 100,000 pieces of viral DNA. Altogether, they make up about 8 percent of the human genome. And scientists are only starting to figure out what this viral DNA is doing to us. […]

    Some of our ancient viruses may be protecting us from disease; others may be raising our risks for cancer, among other conditions. “It’s not an either-or—are these things good or bad? It’s a lot more complicated than that,” Dr. Katzourakis said in an interview. “We’re barely at the beginning of this research.”


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