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    I hope she does. I too would like to hear more!

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    Like many here on Avalon that have an interest in the Tuatha De Danann, in particularly the Angel’s initial thread. I’m sure we are all eager to read more. I do hope she comes back and can fill in the big gap on the Tuatha De Danann.

    Tuatha De Danann and current interest and connections:

    Angel got me triggered again after all those years to explore further this unique civilisation. Even research I carried out back in the 1990s I wasn’t aware at the time the possible connection of the Tuatha De Danann with the Round Towers. There were nearly 100 Round Towers recorded in the Ancient Annals. 57 were destroyed in the 5th century AD due to an earthquake. I remember another researcher back in the 1990s whom told me that he had enough information to suggest there were 300 Round Towers. I did ponder on why such a high density of Round Towers. Dark Journalist has had two or three shows that go into the Tuatha De Danann. The insights of Gigi Young and the research of Walter Bosley of last year are indicators that there is some intriguing material to take note of.

    Tuatha De Danann existence is real with evidence:

    In order to understand the existence of Tuatha De Danann, it’s important to analyse in what context was there real existence. In order to put it in perspective we have to look at the affect early Christianity had in Ireland and its relation to previous tribes. Most ancient Christian material leaves the reality of an established civilisation evolving into a mythology, that is sponged out the existence of previous pagan tribes. Tribes that are a lessor civilisation are inferior to the invading victors. The victors can rewrite history, by obliterating material or discolouring what came before. I believe this is the case with the present pre Christian history in Ireland. It makes sense if you want to convert the existing pagan tribes after arriving.

    A similar situation arose when England invaded Ireland back in the middle ages. Once the established victors got there land the history books changed sponging out the Irish people and their country. Similarly like the early Christian monks, The British created many examples of manipulating history. Two good examples is the famine in the 1840s. This was only acknowledged in 1996 as a genocide when the British prime minister apologised to the President of Ireland for this atrocity of wiping out 3 million of the population.
    The recent Northern Ireland war and the propaganda presented, with a history unknown to the British public was actually an Apartheid state under the British Crown. Similar to South Africa, so it’s no surprise this exploded into violence in such modern times.

    I starting researching the Spanish Phoenician historical material in order to put a framework of understanding of known pre Christian history in Spain, but more particularly the Spanish migrations to Ireland by the Phoenicians. Who are the Tuatha De Danann in relation to the Phoenicians. Once we can understand the Phoenician occupancy of Ireland then we are in a position to explore further who are Tuatha De Danann. I read a rare out of print book that is nearly 200 years old. Here were the details of each tribe that invaded Ireland over many centuries. This has been an important book to understand the many cultures over time.

    PHOENICIAN IRELAND

    by Auctore Doctore Joachimo Laurentio Villanueva.

    Publisher: London, Longman & Co. Dublin, R. M. Timms 1833. 430 pages ( rare, out of print)

    Villanueva published Phoenician Ireland, in an attempt to prove an ancient Phoenician colonization and civilisation of the country.

    Villanueva was a Spanish historian who came to Ireland 1822 to spend 10 years researching for the evidence the Phoenicians were in Ireland. He had proven in Spain there had been colonies of Ancient Phoenicians in Spain. What he found in Spain strongly indicated that through language and other artefacts that the Phoenicians had travelled to Ireland. He had written and spoken Hebrew language, of which the Phoenician was a dialect, and applied the Iberno- Celtic, or rather Iberno Sanskrit, or Ancient Irish to extract information of different tribes of Phoenicians from their travels.. This enabled him to find extensive evidence that many tribes of Phoenicians over 1800 years were established in Ireland.

    Villanueva discovered that the Phoenicians were a fractured race of people with a range of subcultures.

    There specialisation was the transportation, with indispensable skills as navigators, and the power with which they commanded the dominion of the seas, this had the direct effect to civilizing the some of the human race, which was true in as far as they joined up by interlinking their shipping with the different parts of the world.
    They merely touched at Spain on their way to Ireland from Scythia, keeping up, however, a friendly intercourse with the Spaniards after their arrival in Ireland, for the hospitable accommodation which they had experienced on their coasts.

    They retained their name, Scythi, Scoti, or Scythians, until the eleventh century, when they resigned it to the Scots, a colony of their own from Ireland, and resumed, instead, one of the more ancient names of the country, viz. Ire, with the affix, land making the compound " Ireland."

    The earliest race of Milesians were part of the Phoenicians tribes, were a mixed Scythian colony, implicit followers of Zoroaster and but not native Spaniards, as Villanueva admitted being—as a nation—lovers of literature, they cultivated, on the contrary, a profession—that of arms—which affected to scorn them as an effeminate luxury.

    Villanueva had worked with O’Brien (Historian Scholar) on researching another race established in Ireland that were not Phoenician. This race were unique with knowledge and artefacts that suggested were far superior to the Phoenicians in science, technology, medicine and engineering. According to O’Brien they were around from 1800 BC to 1500 BC and left. O’Brien was a native Gaelic speaker and had studied Ancient Gaelic, Hebrew, Greek, Phoenician, Indian and Chinese languages. O’Brien discovered through the many ancient Annals of Ireland and the many scriptures of Asia Minor and the East that this civilisation did not fit in with any others in there research. These were known as the Tuatha De Danann.

    It was 3 years later that O’Brien further researched and wrote a 600 page treatise about the Tuatha De Danann.

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    I wonder whether the castle that Angel says she was born in was Dunluce? It backs onto the sea near Portbalintrae. It was the seat of the McDonnell clan I believe. It could also be that this was built on a more ancient site.

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    I'm calling you out Angel. Baloney.

    Present your evidence which I expect to be solid otherwise I'll show mine.

    I believe this is yet another attempt to create another "makkee uppee" peoples of the past and sow division within a stable indigenous culture. Separation of spirit and mind.

    . . . and you have "authority" . . . bs

    Bring it on, the Forum is "interested" and so am I.

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    I think you may be right Justplain that Dunluce was built on a more ancient site. It has the right characteristics as Angel describes.

    However, there are other possible locations in the North West of Ireland that describes similar coastal sites.

    Coastal castles like Dunseverick Castle is situated in County Antrim, near the small village of Dunseverick and the Giant's Causeway. Saint Patrick is recorded as having visited Dunseverick castle in the 5th century AD. So this structure may have existed back to BC. There may have existed a previous structure going back into BC.
    Other possible coastal castles are Kinbane Castle, Rathlin Castle, Audley Castle, that can all be traced back to 5th century AD. Again early structures may have been built upon existing ones into BC.

    These coastal castles were built later, in particular mediaval times or later, Ballyshannon Castle, Carrickabraghy Castle, Doe Castle/Caisleán na dTuath. Again its possible to have previous structures built upon back in 5th century AD or earlier.

    Existing structures at present were commonly built upon by previous inhabitants. The sites were of strategic importance. Coastal sites were common to use by other invaders. Besides the Phoenicians in much earlier centuries, later centuries you have the Vikings and there settlements.

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    I recently studied both the original book of 1834 and the later edition of 1898. (see below) These books are out of print and rare. Both books are big and I have tried to summarise mainly the new edition. Parts of the original book were censored at the time because it introduced the esoteric dynamics of Freemasonry, Sabaism and Budhism.

    It demonstrates that the Tuath De Danaan were sophisticated magicians that could apply there skills on a macro scale as a collective community. These skills were of an advanced nature that suggests they may have cultivated there skills from the East. This eventually came down to the Druids in a diluted form when the Tuath-De-Danaan had existed. There are rare modern equivalents of macro scale magic applied in the eco war in Bougainvillea during the 1990s.

    The Round Towers of Ireland, or the History of the Tuath-De-Danaans; O'BRIEN, Henry. London: W. & Thacker and Co., 1898. New Edition. 551 pp.

    The original edition of 1834 which was published under the same title: "The Round Towers of Ireland Or, The Mysteries of Freemasonry, of Sabaism, and of Budhism for the First Time Unveiled." The author, Henry O'Brien (1808–1835) was an Irish classicist who presents his theory that the round towers of ancient Ireland were created by a phallic cult among the Tuatha Dé Danann (the main deities of pre-Christian Gaelic Ireland). O'Brien then sought to trace the origins of the towers, tracing connections between ancient Ireland and such unexpected places as Egypt, Persia, and India, and religions such as Bon,Buddhism, Hinduism, Mithraism, and various forms of phallic worship.

    Tuath-De-Danaan is simply a translation or extended rendering of the latter—Tuath being a
    modification of Budh, and also signifying magic; De, the vernacular term for the Deity; and Danaan signifying Almoners—the whole thus meaning Magician-god-almoners, or the Almoner-magicians of the Deity.

    The Tuath-De-Danaans, or at least a portion of them (cf. p. 443), fled westward, and after many vicissitudes reached Europe, where traces of them are found in parts of Greece, Italy, and Spain; and from the country last named (by help of the Phœnicians, who were the great sea-carriers of those days), they made their way to Ireland. It is remarkable that a parallel account appears in Hindu records of the severance which took place between the Lingajas and the Yonijas on a precisely similar question’

    A better clue is found in the name of the place whereon was fought the first decisive battle between the Tuath-De-Danaan invaders and the Celtic (Firbolg) inhabitants, which gave the supremacy of the island to the former. From the number of commemorative towers erected there by the conquerors, this came to be known as Moytura (in Irish, Moye-tureadh, i.e. “the field of the towers”); and as the date of the second battle, fought centuries later, is approximately b.c. 600 (p. 449), there is reason for assigning the erection of round towers to a period long preceding that of Christianity. The ascription of these towers to the Tuath-De-Danaans is in a degree warranted by the fact that the word “Tuathan-Tower” is a well-known Irish expression, and that there seems to be no other word in the language which conveys the same idea.

    These proofs of an adventitious civilisation bearing the marks, not of gradual growth, but of full development, point to the colonisation of the island by a highly-cultured race, such as were the ancient people of Iran (Persia). The round towers, for instance, could not well have been the work of the Phœnicians, who were a maritime and mercantile race, by no means prone to arts and letters, and in none of whose admitted settlements is any trace of similar buildings to be found. Neither the Firbolgs (or Celtic inhabitants of Ireland), nor the Fomorians, nor the Scythians, Scoto-Milesians, nor Danish invaders, were at all given to the refinements of civilisation, and simply regarded the construction of permanent buildings as unworthy of a race of warriors. Everything, in fact, goes to show that the Tuath-De-Danaan settlers alone could have erected these towers, introduced the Boreadan ceremonial, and given to the country of their adoption a name taken from that of their native land.

    Upon historical evidence, the date of this invasion is fixed at b.c. 1002; while it is agreed on all hands that the Tuath-De-Danaans had landed about two hundred years before, or b.c. 1202, which latter date exactly corresponds with that given by most Oriental authorities for the exodus of the Buddhists from India. About this time, indeed, Ireland seems to have borne the character of an Oriental asylum—a circumstance to which may be attributed the Eastern costumes and aspect of the figures depicted in its ancient sculptures, the Eastern character of traditional religious and ceremonial usages, and the national reverence for the shamrock, corresponding with that shown to the trefoil (or trisula) in Persia (Iran).

    The duration of Tuath-De-Danaan supremacy may have been some six centuries, dating from the first battle of Moytura, in b.c. 1202 (p. 435), to the second battle, in or about b.c. 600, between the Firbolgs, or Celts (who had been gradually reasserting themselves), and a reinforcement of Tuath-De-Danaans, coming this time, not from Persia, but from India, where they had been expelled by the Brahmins (p. 443).

    The relics of Tuath-De-Danaan occupation, which exist in the shape of gigantic crosses, and of sculptured ornamentation in which cross-symbolism is prominent, point to a mystery far more esoteric than that involved in the Christian emblem.

    Serpent-worship is perhaps the most significant form of Sabaism, involving, as it does, the expression of its source. For in the sacred language of Iran, whereof Irish is the leading type, the word Sabh (the root of Sabaism) has three distinct, yet connected, meanings—(1) Voluptuousness, or the Yoni; (2) a Snake, or sinuosity; (3) Death. Through all these runs the central idea of sexual relation, which, as the most elementary part of social life, has been symbolised all over the world in connection with religion. O'Brien disposes of the argument in favour of the Christian origin of these towers, which is based upon the assumption that remains of Christian churches are invariably found in their vicinity, by adducing an instance to the contrary (at Giant’s Ring, County Down).

    In my field research of some of the round towers I found that there were Sheela na gigs at the entrance. The sexual nature of Sheela na gig connection would be one of fertility. In a previous post on the field work with Prof. Phil Callaghan, we measured a 2000 Hz frequency. This frequency is tuned to the anesthetic line. However, that frequency was strong at the interior top of the tower. We theorized that this may be a special chamber supporting the numbing in the labour process. The frequency within this resonant cavity of the tower was consistent for such a process to take place.

    We also analysed the soil at different points radially displaced from the tower outwards. We measured high frequencies close to the tower and low frequencies as we measured further out. We observed that the grass was bigger near the tower than as you walked away from it.

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    MYTHS and MAGIC of the Tuatha de Danaans:

    In history, it makes sense why we know so little about the Tuatha de Danaans. It was because those who took down the legends from the mouths of the bards and annalists, or those who subsequently transcribed them, were Christian missionaries, whose object was to obliterate every vestige of the ancient forms of faith. The distortion of truth about these singular, foreign people makes it so difficult to understand who or what they were; to us they seem always enveloped in a sort of Druidic fog, so that we may class them with men, heroic demi-gods, or gods themselves, according to our fancy. The archaeologists thereby can’t entertain the notion that these were real historical times when some civilisations were using magic on a collective scale.

    For example, according to the Book of Invasions from the Irish ANNALS OF THE FOUR MASTERS (12th Century) about the description of the Tuatha de Danaans, one can understand the powers they had when confronting there enemies.

    p. 113

    "By the force of potent spells and wicked magic
    And conjurations horrible to hear,
    Could set the ministry of hell at work,
    And raise a slaughtered army from the earth,
    And make them live, and breathe, and fight again.
    Few could their arts withstand, or charms unbind."
    supernatural race who held marvellous powers and skills.

    The Tuatha Dé Danann were the defenders of the woods, and the keepers of its deepest secrets.
    Their skills of camouflage, ambushes and sneaking are legendary thus making their enemies think twice before entering the darkness of Tuathan woods. Ref: Irish ‘Annals of the Four Masters’

    Tuatha's power refuses to use fire due to its chaotic and destructive properties, anathema to the forests they have sworn to protect.

    LOST CONNECTION WITH NATURE

    Because people have lost the true connection with nature, in particular, unaware of the power they have with using co creative tools in their lives they have to see this kind of life through fiction. What is displayed as fiction in books, education, TV, cinema, etc are an exaggerated form of dynamics. Miracles by initiates in some of the religious scriptures may be treated by many as god like figures where the witnesses don’t have the where for all to apply these methods. This has been demonstrated so often historically through myths and legends with the intentional objective to obliterate every vestige of the ancient forms of magic. This is particular so with the early Christianity. This disempowers people usurping the consciousnesses into a belief that is not natural. This has resulted in today’s circumstances on Earth. Tuatha Dé Danann may be back in ancient times, but there are modern day pockets of these versions of this power.

    (see PA. Avatar 2 and Bougainvillea Eco war, Part 3)

    RESPONSIBILITY OF USING ‘POWER’

    Tuatha Dé Danann had a responsibility and discipline using there ‘powers’. This is a perception by others as witnessing these ‘powers’. It would appear to be a what we define as power, but actually its there developed education and knowledge of using the university of nature. The partnership with nature provided the potential of supporting not only them as a race but also the Earth as a balanced system. This is the potential to connect with nature by every human being on Earth.

    One has to be very careful and clear what initiative and responsibility you take with applying different tools for change because you may be at the mercy of what’s out there. What unknowns are going to manifest, etc. If you don’t have a clear definition, a clear direction and a clear purpose in its intent it may have the aspirations of what you desire but not the right intents. It opens up to wide range of manifestations that are similar in principle too when dealing with paranormal events but now on a macro scale.

    Because the mechanistic approach doesn’t entertain within the equation of nature’s inherent characteristics of being in balance, it will create manifestations that are not what humans are expecting.

    Their isn’t the education and therefore understanding in our civilisation of how to balance this process. Nature knows nothing but balance. Humans may not be balanced when applying initiatives of this nature to changing the dynamics, which can create other manifestations that are ‘out of whack’.

    (see PA. Avatar 2 and Bougainvillea Eco war, Part 3)
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    It explains the responsibility of using dynamics and tools in modern times. It also explains how to apply them in modern times.

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    Quote Posted by aoibhghaire (here)
    PHOENICIAN IRELAND

    by Auctore Doctore Joachimo Laurentio Villanueva.

    Publisher: London, Longman & Co. Dublin, R. M. Timms 1833. 430 pages ( rare, out of print)
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    Aoibhghaire, your information is very interesting. Of particular interest is the referencing of the migration of the Tuath de Daan in the Vedic records. However, in some of the Dark Journalist discussions on the Tuath DeDaan, he seems to believe that they are a surviving clan from Atlantis. He thinks that this is the same clan as the Israeli tribe that spawned Sampson, indicating the use of magic in Sampson's adventures. Daniel Leist, DJ, suggested that Sampson's tribe lived on boats and did not continue on as tribe of Israel because they wouldn't embrace the 'one God' and abandon magic.

    Now this may all fit into a timeline where the Tuath de Daan left Atlantis at the fall and migrated to India.

    It would be fascinating to hear Angel's take on all this.

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    Quote Posted by aoibhghaire (here)
    MYTHS and MAGIC of the Tuatha de Danaans:


    For example, according to the Book of Invasions from the Irish ANNALS OF THE FOUR MASTERS (12th Century) about the description of the Tuatha de Danaans, one can understand the powers they had when confronting there enemies.

    p. 113

    "By the force of potent spells and wicked magic
    And conjurations horrible to hear,
    Could set the ministry of hell at work,
    And raise a slaughtered army from the earth,
    And make them live, and breathe, and fight again.
    Few could their arts withstand, or charms unbind."
    supernatural race who held marvellous powers and skills.

    The Tuatha Dé Danann were the defenders of the woods, and the keepers of its deepest secrets.
    Their skills of camouflage, ambushes and sneaking are legendary thus making their enemies think twice before entering the darkness of Tuathan woods. Ref: Irish ‘Annals of the Four Masters’

    Tuatha's power refuses to use fire due to its chaotic and destructive properties, anathema to the forests they have sworn to protect.
    Many thanks for sharing your research and knowledge aoibhghaire, it is very much appreciated.
    I read a book many years ago titled Sun and Cross, by Jakob Streit where he writes about the development from megalithic culture to early Christianity in Ireland.

    He says when the Romans reached Ireland in 300AD + to convert the natives to Christianity, the Romans were surprised to see a long established Celtic Christianity already existed. Even more surprising were the Egyptian Christian priests who lived amongst the Celtic Priests. priests had the choice to marry if they wished, there were also Christian priestesses.
    They lived in stone built communities and yes they liked their stone towers.
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    A question.
    Do you think the Druids are descended from the Tuatha de Danaans?

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    Gord: Thank you for the links to other old material relating to inward races and migration of the
    Phœnicians. Although my focus is on the Tuatha De Danaans, I have had to explore for other material that may support this civilisation from other scripts translated from Phœnician.

    Justplain: The two characteristics that support this Tuatha De Danaans civilisation are the application of super magic powers as a collective. I discovered from my adventures in Bougaineville that modern day community tribe of this nature do carry out what we attribute to super magic as a collective. (See thread Avatar 2 and Bougaineville Eco war Part 3)

    The transmissions of this collective magic are not told to journalist, archaeologists, curiosity seekers, tourists, etc. They are not ready to 'hear' or be interested following through to investigate due to the problem of integrating this reality. If you haven’t a wide experiential of a larger reality in your life, then this is not for you. Its rather like people that are curious meeting a spiritual avatar but not ready to open up to an integrated experience that may change and highly benefit there life. It can be uncomfortable to make a change in your life.

    To truly understand the BRA in part 3 of the thread Avatar 2 and Bougaineville Eco war, you would have had to gift the tribe and link in with them in an effort to genuinely help them. The level they operate at is at a resonant frequency that can differentiate what your agenda is. Hence most organisations had the wrong agenda, not understanding the real agenda of the BRA, BRA denied any substantial bribes that came there way.

    The high knowledge as compared to other civilisations at the time in western Europe suggests that they attained this knowledge from some other ancient civilisation. Its possible that this may have evolved from Atlantis then India and pockets of the middle East.

    Billy:

    I think the Druids may have descended from the Tuatha De Danaans. The previous civilisation before the Tuatha De Danaans arrived were unaware of the application of sophisticated use of magic. When the Tuatha De Danaan disappeared there were possibly some descendants over time making use of magic. I suspect it wasn’t on the macro scale as there ancestors. The Druids had similar characteristics as their predecessors. Guardian’s of the forest, the oak trees which were growing throughout Ireland and the use of the coded Ogham language.

    This was recognised by the Greek scriptures. There students were sent to Ireland to train in the art of magic. The Romans were aware about the magic of the Druids from the Greeks. The Romans had a token settlement on the Irish coast for only trade purposes. The Romans may have been concerned not to invade Ireland due to the power of the Druids The Romans had learnt a lot from the Druidic practices in Gaul in their previous invasions.

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    My grandmother on my mother's side was a proud O'Neill of northern Ireland. She talked of stories told to her about the days of old when women spent most of their days brewing herbs, and potions many of which when ingested brought on desired 'effects' and these could be any number of things. Grandmother told of tales of men having problems with other men and offering great amounts of money to the local witch to cast a spell to make the person yield to do whatever, sell them the land they wanted or the sheep or you know it could be anything. Often times this was simply knowing what to use to achieve and end. Say oh, what to put in the well water to poison the well so the land is no longer good for the sheep so the person is now motivated to sell the land and then of course the new owner who thinks he got the land for a deal since it had bad water now comes back to the witch wanting the water restored. No problem at all, for a price! So grandmother said it was very common for the witches to be both loved and hated in all communities just because of this behavior and it was this behavior of being paid for using their knowing for bad things that got them into trouble. This is where the practice of "Black Magic" comes from. The same art is practiced in the stories in the bible by Abraham on Pharaoh. Sarah was taught in the same things as others of her people from an early age and would have known exactly what to put into the food to make people ill. They would know exactly what to put in water to turn it red and their knowledge of the stars and astrology and astronomy would allow them to know and see and predict larger cycles of events like locust swarms, seasonal floods and more. Not so much magic as just knowing something others don't commonly know. A lot of it is simple chemistry.

    All the women in my family on my mother's side all have Jackdaws or birds of some sort. They all have these 'relationships' with birds no one else has. My sister Tina in particular. I mean wild birds have been known to just land on her shoulder and stuff like this. Plus she has one always. And it's smart! Oh my! Our most famous ancestor is Molly Leigh who died 357 years ago. On my father's side his family tree goes way back to a long list of occultists going back to the Magi of the biblical types and in courts all through Europe into Russia. We originally stem from the Milesians which is best explained in the genealogy of the Geoghegan clan, which takes the Magogites from Adam to the Milesian clans in Ireland of recent centuries. Appendix 1 of this series is extremely helpful in understanding their history. Stemming from earlier lines settled after the flood according to grandmother and the inheritance of Japheth was thus all of Europe and the Asian mainland north of the mouth of the River Don and what is America today also if grandmother was correct. She said so. It was probably true.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Theres a similar tower on Scotland -the pencil at Largs


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    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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