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    I'm not sure if this the right place for this thread, mods can move it elsewhere if not, but right now, it's certainly extremely important to stay calm. I was writing my own experiences on another threat where I was referring to the interview David Icke did. This is what I was writing:

    I realized after seeing the interview that I've been living in a state of fear for a long time because of this outbreak. I had a flu for at least two weeks which started roughly week before the outbreak, which did not help at all, and just now starting to feel better. Not sure if it was this Wuhuu or not because our government suggested people simply to stay home and deal with it. Unless there's emergency of course (now that I think of it, very wise decision), so it was not tested. Some people seem to have fewer symptoms, I had only a little bit of fever, shortness of breath and sore throat without cough or runny nose etc. Common cold I think, but you can't help but think.

    So yesterday was the worst. Panic attacks, sweating palms, heart racing, even considered suicide without any reason at all for a while and couldn't get over it for couple of minutes. Another thing I realized is that I didn't know my body any more. So that's another thing I have to come familiar with. After 5 hellish days I'm starting to feel little better. Not sure if I still have to stay home or not, but 6 days forced in isolation without human contact is not fun at all. Lucky there's still phone and internet of course. The funny thing is that my fellow Finns seem to be quite loose. You can actually meet other people if you have no fever. As far as I know I'm allowed to meet other people as long as I keep at least 1-2 meters distance. So I was thinking maybe calling one of my neighbors if he was interested in some activity at least.

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    Oh no! That's terrible! How awful for you! I don't know what to suggest other than distraction. Watch a good movie, play games, stay in touch with people who are thinking about other things. If you have a "what if" mind, try to redirect it by taking creative scenarios about other subjects and write short stories?

    It's hard. I had a terrible time around a full moon early last summer. Just unbelievable. I felt like I wasn't me anymore and I was filled with anxiety and dread and I wasn't even sure what it was all about, but felt it might have something to do with the supernatural,or aliens, or something like that. It was ghastly. It passed after about a week. Then I came on to the forum and found out all sorts of people were having a hard time at the same time.

    Just know that you are not alone and that your chances of catching this are still fairly low,if you are taking precautions. And if you are young and healthy you will likely be okay if you should get it.

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    Buy the book on amazon titled, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker. Then you'll have a better grasp of it.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    Thanks for the thread. We need to be especially tolerant and understanding on Avalon, too, recognizing that various people are going through the sequence of adapting to the new reality.

    It's all in stages, a spectrum from Denial to Acceptance. But it can be a bumpy ride in between. Some can adapt in hours or days. Others, for all kinds of good reasons, may take weeks or even months.

    Whatever the new reality is! For some, it's about not going to work, staying at home, having to cancel vacations (or even parties), and so on. And in some cases, caring for others (or oneself!) getting sick. Or just worrying about money. Or friends in other countries. So all that contributes to a high level of stress.

    And people need to express that. When they do, in all kinds of ways, we need to listen and understand. Some members here might have a bad day now and then, and our collective role is always to support if we can.


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    The only advice I can give is cut off the external data completely if you can't or don't have the capacity to widen it.

    We here on this forum have been going through a frenzy of bunker prepper energy projection. That's not Bill's fault, he's a bunker prepper. So is Mike Adams. Bunker prepping is for bunker preppers and that's all good, they are going their own path. For the vast majority of us, we need a very different energy. An in the think of it energy that's got a positive overlay and an intelligent underbelly of logical safety.

    If you can't find much of that here yet, switch off and listen to your favorite music or whatever will help you to reset your fear condition. Fear is not 'real' but danger is.
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    I have to admit I was emotional wreck before all this began so it doesn't surprise me I reacted like I did. I was not ready to handle this now. Speaking out loud really seems to help.

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    muxfolder, I really appreciate you being so candid. To be very sick and then to have to deal with the angst and fear alone must have been unbearable. I had a sort of meltdown for a couple of days and I felt like I was going to make myself get sick because I was stressing my body out along with my mind.

    I quit reading and even tried not to think about this whole virus thing and all the other implications for over a day. I am seeing how challenging it is to maintain a balance. It seems to come and go. I feel like I have it figured out and then I fall back. If we break it up into smaller chunks like days, hours or even minutes it is easier to do.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    muxfolder, I really appreciate you being so candid. To be very sick and then to have to deal with the angst and fear alone must have been unbearable. I had a sort of meltdown for a couple of days and I felt like I was going to make myself get sick because I was stressing my body out along with my mind.

    I quit reading and even tried not to think about this whole virus thing and all the other implications for over a day. I am seeing how challenging it is to maintain a balance. It seems to come and go. I feel like I have it figured out and then I fall back. If we break it up into smaller chunks like days, hours or even minutes it is easier to do.
    Yes.

    In his recent videos, Chris Martenson has been recommending starting a garden. (Or, enlarging it if you already have one!) The key thing there is to do things with your hands to balance all the intensive head stuff. That can make more of a difference than one might ever imagine.

    I spend many hours a day at my desk, but yesterday I balanced that by doing some 'yard work' (I don't really have a 'yard'! But I was mending some fences with large, heavy wooden poles), and every day almost without fail I go out for a half-hour uphill one-mile-round-trip hike with my dog — when the sun's shining, if at all possible, and I can be out in just a T-shirt. (Vitamin D! )

    There's always something to do that can get us out of our heads for a while, extroverting our attention out on to the 'real', physical world. Even if it's sewing, or mending something small, or creating an interesting, experimental new meal.

    This might all seem small and trivial. But — besides expressing ourselves openly here on the forum and elsewhere — these kinds of 'real world' activities can really really help.


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    Muxfolder,

    Go watch some really really positive videos with people who encourage your strength and your resilience and your Spritual indomitability.

    It's okay to be afraid. It's a vibration that's all. And there are higher vibrations you can tune into. Keep reaching for those, whether an angelic channeled video or a little walk outside or affirmations or prayers or just sitting in the silence.

    We are so much larger than this. And whether we live or die (inevitable eventually) we are eternal and nothing can harm who we really are.

    Sending you a strong hand.

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    Default Re: Dealing with fear and panic

    Quote Posted by muxfolder (here)
    I have to admit I was emotional wreck before all this began so it doesn't surprise me I reacted like I did. I was not ready to handle this now. Speaking out loud really seems to help.
    Glad that you did because as we all know in the vast majority of cases it's good to talk and you are amongst friends here. When there is a perceived problem it's magnitude is often halved when shared.

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    There's always something to do that can get us out of our heads for a while, extroverting our attention out on to the 'real', physical world. Even if it's sewing, or mending something small, or creating an interesting, experimental new meal.
    Or simply make use of the excellent threads on the forum, unrelated specifically to the current crisis, that are full of positive intention, wisdom, humour and knowledge, that challenge one's growth.

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Just know that you are not alone and that your chances of catching this are still fairly low,if you are taking precautions. And if you are young and healthy you will likely be okay if you should get it.
    And the above I think is an important reminder to retain balance and worth reiterating.

    Despite the magnitude of the problem we really don't need to buy into the collective consciousness aspect of it which in the main will be fear driven and a major objective of the crisis. A pragmatic awareness will suffice.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    I might suggest EFT to help in these trying times.

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    Mux,

    Am relieved for you that you are feeling a little better and that all the advice has been helpful. I think Bill Ryan's advice is the best, to get out and do something with your hands and failing that to do something indoors with your hands.

    Sinking your hands into the soil with a spirit of atonement, feeling the mycelial networks 'speaking' directly to your skin is the most beautiful experience. Walking barefoot in grass or newly churned soil is literally grounding and gets right to your heart in a soothing way, too.

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    On top of corona virus problem, this morning we had 5,4 earthquake here in Zagreb, Croatia..

    A powerful earthquake has struck Zagreb today on 6:25 Am CET, damaging buildings, burying vehicles in rubble and causing several fires. Only one girl is in critical condition.
    What else will happen next..


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    Quote Posted by Isserley (here)
    On top of corona virus problem, this morning we had 5,4 earthquake here in Zagreb, Croatia..

    A powerful earthquake has struck Zagreb today on 6:25 Am CET, damaging buildings, burying vehicles in rubble and causing several fires. Only one girl is in critical condition.
    What else will happen next..

    That's just awful. We're really lucky here because we don't even have earthquakes. Hope you'll be ok.

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    Quote Posted by muxfolder (here)
    I'm not sure if this the right place for this thread, mods can move it elsewhere if not, but right now, it's certainly extremely important to stay calm. I was writing my own experiences on another threat where I was referring to the interview David Icke did. This is what I was writing:

    I realized after seeing the interview that I've been living in a state of fear for a long time because of this outbreak. I had a flu for at least two weeks which started roughly week before the outbreak, which did not help at all, and just now starting to feel better. Not sure if it was this Wuhuu or not because our government suggested people simply to stay home and deal with it. Unless there's emergency of course (now that I think of it, very wise decision), so it was not tested. Some people seem to have fewer symptoms, I had only a little bit of fever, shortness of breath and sore throat without cough or runny nose etc. Common cold I think, but you can't help but think.

    So yesterday was the worst. Panic attacks, sweating palms, heart racing, even considered suicide without any reason at all for a while and couldn't get over it for couple of minutes. Another thing I realized is that I didn't know my body any more. So that's another thing I have to come familiar with. After 5 hellish days I'm starting to feel little better. Not sure if I still have to stay home or not, but 6 days forced in isolation without human contact is not fun at all. Lucky there's still phone and internet of course. The funny thing is that my fellow Finns seem to be quite loose. You can actually meet other people if you have no fever. As far as I know I'm allowed to meet other people as long as I keep at least 1-2 meters distance. So I was thinking maybe calling one of my neighbors if he was interested in some activity at least.
    I've not felt any fear of this outbreak, but 2 or 3 times in the last few days, I've felt a panic coming on that I knew was not mine, it was "in the air." And I had physical symptoms, which quickly left when I realized it was not my panic. You might be an empath.
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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)

    I've felt any fear of this outbreak, but 2 or 3 times in the last few days, I've felt a panic coming on that I knew was not mine, it was "in the air." And I had physical symptoms, which quickly left when I realized it was not my panic. You might be an empath.
    And that is probably a perfect example of the collective consciousness as it is presently functioning. What you have realised there is critical, which is the discrimination that there exists the opportunity for non-identification which isn't denial but a state of being presently aware of choices, ownership and authenticity. Some may refer to this as a question of sovereignty.

    The collective consciousness is an extremely persuasive energy, powerful and real only to the extent that we individually validate it. If we can stand outside of it, grounded and integrated for the most part, we change its composition, it's potency and its power to affect. We starve it of the nutrition it requires and it weakens through attrition.

    It starts with each and every individual, that is the battleground of the current scenario and without wishing to belittle the nature of the challenge, which is very real, it presents ultimately as a crisis of opportunity.

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    Quote Posted by muxfolder (here)
    I'm not sure if this the right place for this thread, mods can move it elsewhere if not, but right now, it's certainly extremely important to stay calm. I was writing my own experiences on another threat where I was referring to the interview David Icke did. This is what I was writing:

    I realized after seeing the interview that I've been living in a state of fear for a long time because of this outbreak. I had a flu for at least two weeks which started roughly week before the outbreak, which did not help at all, and just now starting to feel better. Not sure if it was this Wuhuu or not because our government suggested people simply to stay home and deal with it. Unless there's emergency of course (now that I think of it, very wise decision), so it was not tested. Some people seem to have fewer symptoms, I had only a little bit of fever, shortness of breath and sore throat without cough or runny nose etc. Common cold I think, but you can't help but think.

    So yesterday was the worst. Panic attacks, sweating palms, heart racing, even considered suicide without any reason at all for a while and couldn't get over it for couple of minutes. Another thing I realized is that I didn't know my body any more. So that's another thing I have to come familiar with. After 5 hellish days I'm starting to feel little better. Not sure if I still have to stay home or not, but 6 days forced in isolation without human contact is not fun at all. Lucky there's still phone and internet of course. The funny thing is that my fellow Finns seem to be quite loose. You can actually meet other people if you have no fever. As far as I know I'm allowed to meet other people as long as I keep at least 1-2 meters distance. So I was thinking maybe calling one of my neighbors if he was interested in some activity at least.
    I've felt any fear of this outbreak, but 2 or 3 times in the last few days, I've felt a panic coming on that I knew was not mine, it was "in the air." And I had physical symptoms, which quickly left when I realized it was not my panic. You might be an empath.
    Those suicidal thoughts were strange indeed. They were very strong and compulsory like someone was trying to make me do something to myself I did not want to do. After that there was a panic attack and then I was suddenly fine. I've never even considered suicide myself.

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    Those suicidal thoughts were strange indeed. They were very strong and compulsory like someone was trying to make me do something to myself I did not want to do. After that there was a panic attack and then I was suddenly fine. I've never even considered suicide myself.
    If you're wading in the ocean and a big wave is coming, you dive into it to be safe, rather than let it break on you and sweep you off your feet. Same with feelings that come from outside you, trying to become yours. You charge into the feeling, fully explore it until it dissolves. You relish it, like "isn't this great, feeling these powerful feelings!" You admire it and just thoroughly inspect it. And it will go find someone else to bother.

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    Default Meditation in an Emergency

    I found the following 22 minute long podcast to be profoundly insightful and helpful. It offers some excellent advice to help one stay calm and centered. Meditation is a great tool to have. I sincerely hope that you find it equally helpful in these trying times. Please give this a listen. I promise you won't be disappointed.

    https://samharris.org/podcasts/193-m...ion-emergency/

    Be safe and smart.
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    Default Re: Dealing with fear and panic

    You're not alone, brother. We will get through this and it will lead to something better.

    I hope these will help anyone dealing with fear and anxiety.

    "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

    ~ Frank Herbert, Dune


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    Deep peace - Reassuring words

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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