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    BREAKING: EXPERTS DRASTICALLY ALTER COURSE ON CORONAVIRUS[/B]
    11am 3/27/20
    Breaking news hours before tonight’s White House press conference, The HighWire with Del Bigtree brought you the astounding ‘adjustment’ made to Covid-19 mortality predictions by the lead expert."
    THe expert was the epidemiologist from the Imperial College of London, Neil Ferguson.
    Estimate of 500,000 goes to under 20,000 deaths in the UK, more than half of whom would have died in any case due to old age and other illness.
    Looks like that new flu shot they're working on won't be such a huge money maker after all...
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    Yet we are still being asked to stay locked down? How is RUSSIA handling this? Was this just another disinformation ploy to weaken every other country? They sure are being quiet over there..

    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.

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    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.
    "never let a crisis go to waste" - tyrants everywhere

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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.
    "never let a crisis go to waste" - tyrants everywhere

    so true.... you just made me laugh out loud

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    Del Bigtree kind of jumped the gun. They are playing word games.
    See: https://www.dailywire.com/news/epide...7pgtr-bwCcp_tA
    "Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who created the highly-cited Imperial College London coronavirus model, which has been cited by organizations like The New York Times and has been instrumental in governmental policy decision-making, offered a massively downgraded projection of the potential deathtoll on Wednesday.

    Ferguson’s model projected 2.2 million dead people in the United States and 500,000 in the U.K. from COVID-19 if no action were taken to slow the virus and blunt its curve. The model predicted far fewer deaths if lockdown measures — measures such as those taken by the British and American governments — were undertaken.

    After just one day of ordered lockdowns in the U.K., Ferguson is presenting drastically downgraded estimates, crediting lockdown measures, but also revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured.

    Ferguson explained, “I should admit, we’ve always been sensitive in the analysis in the modeling to a variety of levels or values to those quantities. What we’ve been seeing, though, in Europe in the last week or two is a rate of growth of the epidemic which was faster than we expected from early data in China. And so we are revising our quotes, our central best estimate of the reproduction… something more, a little bit above of the order of three or a little bit above rather than about 2.5.” He added, “the current values are still within the wide range of values which modeling groups [unintelligible] we should have been looking at previously.”

    A higher rate of transmission than expected means that more people have the virus than previously expected; when the number of those with coronavirus is divided by the number of deaths, therefore, the mortality rate for the disease drops.

    Based on both those revised estimates and the lockdown measures taken by the British government, the epidemiologist predicts, hospitals will be just fine taking on COVID-19 patients and estimates 20,000 or far fewer people will die from the virus itself or from its agitation of other ailments, as reported by New Scientist Wednesday.

    Ferguson’s change of tune comes days after Oxford epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta criticized the professor’s model.

    “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” Gupta said, according to the Financial Times.

    Professor Gupta led a team of researchers at Oxford in a modeling study which suggests that the virus has been invisibly spreading for at least a month earlier than suspected, concluding that as many as half of the people in the United Kingdom have already been infected by COVID-19.

    If her model is accurate, fewer than one in a thousand who’ve been infected with COVID-19 become sick enough to need hospitalization, leaving the vast majority with mild cases or free of symptoms.

    Ferguson did continue to argue that the Oxford model is too optimistic about death rates.

    UPDATE: Amid widespread reporting on his new death rate estimates — including by White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who cited his 20,000 estimate during a press conference Thursday — Ferguson issued a statement on social media Thursday to “clear up confusion” about his revised estimates:

    I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19. This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged. My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place. Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand).


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    1/4 - I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID19.

    Correction: The original title of this article incorrectly suggested that Neil Ferguson stated his initial model was wrong. The article has been revised to make clear that he provided a downgraded projection given the new data and current mitigation steps. This article has also been updated to include Ferguson’s clarifying statement posted on Twitter on Thursday.

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    BREAKING: EXPERTS DRASTICALLY ALTER COURSE ON CORONAVIRUS[/B]
    11am 3/27/20
    Breaking news hours before tonight’s White House press conference, The HighWire with Del Bigtree brought you the astounding ‘adjustment’ made to Covid-19 mortality predictions by the lead expert."
    THe expert was the epidemiologist from the Imperial College of London, Neil Ferguson.
    Estimate of 500,000 goes to under 20,000 deaths in the UK, more than half of whom would have died in any case due to old age and other illness.
    Looks like that new flu shot they're working on won't be such a huge money maker after all...
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    Yet we are still being asked to stay locked down? How is RUSSIA handling this? Was this just another disinformation ploy to weaken every other country? They sure are being quiet over there..

    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.

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    ... we are still being asked to stay locked down? How is RUSSIA handling this? Was this just another disinformation ploy to weaken every other country? They sure are being quiet over there..

    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...c5hZmNULlAP7Zc
    I have no idea what Russia is actually doing, and what Putin's personal agenda really consists of - but, I'd bet my Nesara check that the Wall Street Journal (the source of the "article") is simply piling on the neoliberal/neocon spin, keeping Russia in the "evil axis" category to justify further demonization of a nation that doesn't help prop-up Wall Street. The Wall Street journal is even worse than just being "mainstream media" - it's mainstream media from the perspective of the Global Corporate Network.


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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    ... we are still being asked to stay locked down? How is RUSSIA handling this? Was this just another disinformation ploy to weaken every other country? They sure are being quiet over there..

    Oh wait .. they're trying to centralize power during the crisis.. UGH.. Same story, different nation. Go figure.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...c5hZmNULlAP7Zc
    I have no idea what Russia is actually doing, and what Putin's personal agenda really consists of - but, I'd bet my Nesara check that the Wall Street Journal (the source of the "article") is simply piling on the neoliberal/neocon spin, keeping Russia in the "evil axis" category to justify further demonization of a nation that doesn't help prop-up Wall Street. The Wall Street journal is even worse than just being "mainstream media" - it's mainstream media from the perspective of the Global Corporate Network.
    THANK YOU DENNIS!

    I have been wondering what Russia was up to all along... There wasn't much in the MSM about them.. I thought surely they were sitting back laughing, as the world collapsed under a flu epidemic like weak children on the playground.. I was not surprised to see, that "of course" they would be painted as trying to pin down their own public like bad guys, just as we are believing our own "representatives" have been doing to us and the rest of the world..

    Normalize subversion, suppression, and and exercise of unnecessary power and control over the masses, so that we believe the entire world lives this way..

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    The New Scientist

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...pert-predicts/
    UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts

    Health 25 March 2020

    By David Adam
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    There are a limited number of ICU beds in the UK

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    The UK should now be able to cope with the spread of the covid-19 virus, according to one of the epidemiologists advising the government.

    Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London gave evidence today to the UK’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology as part of an inquiry into the nation’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.

    The need for intensive care beds will get very close to capacity in some areas, but won’t be breached at a national level, said Ferguson. The projections are based on computer simulations of the virus spreading, which take into account the properties of the virus, the reduced transmission between people asked to stay at home and the capacity of hospitals, particularly intensive care units.
    Read more: We’re beginning to understand the biology of the covid-19 virus

    The Imperial model has played a key role in informing the UK’s coronavirus strategy, but this approach has been criticised by some. “To be fair, the Imperial people are the some of the best infectious disease modellers on the planet,” Paul Hunter at the University of East Anglia, UK, told New Scientist last week. “But it is risky to put all your eggs in a single basket.”

    Ferguson said the current strategy was intended to keep transmission of the virus at low levels until a vaccine was available. Experts say that could take 12 to 18 months and Ferguson acknowledged it was impractical to keep the UK in lockdown for so long, especially because of the impact on the economy. “We’ll be paying for this year for decades to come,” he said.

    The UK government is aiming to relax restrictions on people’s movements only when the country has the ability to test more people for the virus, said Ferguson. Some have criticised the UK for not following the advice of the World Health Organization to “test, test, test”. But Ferguson said community testing and contact tracing wasn’t included as a possible strategy in the original modelling because not enough tests were available.

    He said the UK should have the testing capacity “within a few weeks” to copy what South Korea has done and aggressively test and trace the general population.
    Read more: How soon will we have a coronavirus vaccine? The race against covid-19

    New data from the rest of Europe suggests that the outbreak is running faster than expected, said Ferguson. As a result, epidemiologists have revised their estimate of the reproduction number (R0) of the virus. This measure of how many other people a carrier usually infects is now believed to be just over three, he said, up from 2.5. “That adds more evidence to support the more intensive social distancing measures,” he said.

    His comments come as a team at the University of Oxford released provisional findings of a different model that they say shows that up to half the UK population could already have been infected. The model is based on different assumptions to those of Ferguson and others involved in advising the UK government.

    Most importantly, it assumes that most people who contract the virus don’t show symptoms and that very few need to go to hospital. “I don’t think that’s consistent with the observed data,” Ferguson told the committee.

    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz6Hv654k8D


    Cant help but think that he has been advised to toe the official line.
    Whatever his estimated of 20.000 deaths is some what lower than originally forecast and now the NHS should be able to cope.
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    They have updated the way they report information now including deaths in UK
    759 so far and this day 181
    That will have to increase some what to make twenty thousand in several months as far as I can see.

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    Some thoughts in these times, from my perspective to say in another way that I love the world!

    1. Embrace your love for your fellow human beings and urge the greatest act of transferring your good experiences to others in a truly innovative form that saves the good and the beautiful. The beautiful person stands a second away from our own understanding, our understanding becomes beautiful when we truly love. The man next to you is for a reason there, ask him how he feels, hug him, prove to him first that you can leave everything aside, that you can understand it even in its own mistakes. Do not seek your salvation in his suffering, offer him the choice to get rid of suffering, pass this on the agenda of your mission all the calendar of his life and his need for love. Communicate. Love. Give. There is no sacrifice.

    2. Develop the earthly existence through "man is the measure of all things" and at the same time make it count as only you know how to offer love, every moment you spend on your journey where you see the landscape of your existence and others, make it count from the source of your own human nature, make the proverb with which you were born humankind sound: "Man sanctifies the place through love."
    Experiencing pure emotions and stimulating people's easy access to your knowledge and gift of knowledge, you can store tons of positive emotions that rock and build the whole suite of your determination to be happier and to make others happy.

    3. Discover the significance of each mind and the correlation factors in the need to assign your right to divinity by accessing your wave of freedom from your soul library in the perspective of stored quantum perception. The correlation mechanism connects the unseen and misunderstood faces of the clairvoyance that has enshrined you in your individual awakening, making them count in the surrounding reality.

    Just offer unconditional love!
    Every human is a question asked to the Spirit of the Universe,again and again,because every human is an endless row of humans and in all humans together dwelling the Great Human Spirit.

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    Are you prepared to kill the enemy before they kill you and your loved ones? Are you prepared to die trying to kill the enemy before they kill you and your loved ones? Do you have what it takes to stand up to evil? Think about that folks. I’m very tired of talk. Action is what counts, not talk.

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    Thanks for starting this brilliant thread Denise!


    At an individual level, this is what we can do...

    1. Stop partaking of all caffeinated food - caffeine is a neurotoxin - this includes all chocolate, coffee, energy drinks
    2. Do what you love to do rather than what you think you have to do
    3. Exercise at your level of fitness
    4. Get adequate sleep. 7- 8 hours at a minimum
    5. Take cat naps
    6. Meditate, or learn to if you don't know how.
    7. Work daily on your gifts, talents and skills
    8. Eat high quality foods - Raw, organic, unprocessed, vegan
    9. Abstain from alcohol. It is a neurotoxin and disrupts sleep
    10. Ground yourself - watch the "Grounded documentary" to find out how.
    11. Throw away your T.V. It only promotes fear and keeps you sedentary
    12. Keep a dream journal. It is a rich way of understanding life.
    13. Read only highly inspirational books eg. Jordan Petersons book, "12 rules for life"
    14. Watch only highly inspiring videos, remember, Input = Output
    15. Be in good company and if you can't be in good company, it is better to spend time alone.
    16. Do a good deed for someone. It feels good to do good.
    17. Saturate yourself in gratitude for all that you have, have had and will have
    18. Listen to music that lifts your soul
    19. Spend as much time as you can in nature.
    20. Share everything you know and understand with others
    21. Get all your chores and duties done at an intuitive pace
    22. Share everything that you have with others.
    23. Learn how to breathe properly.
    24. Work towards overcoming adversity, loss and challenge
    25. Be a witness to other peoples good deeds
    26. Learn how to connect with all your intuitions
    27. Seek to tap into the spiritual side of life
    28. Stop wearing your smartphone and keep it on airplane mode
    29. If you are with someone, hug them as much as you can
    30. BE, DO and then tell if necessary
    31. Let someone know that you love them every day.


    At a collective level...


    This talk by Brian Gerard Schaefer came about before the pandemic was in full swing and before we were placed into lockdown but essentially what Brian was saying was that the antidote to what humanity is facing was to come together for the common truth (or common purpose) with a two-pronged approach - the first being at a community level and the second being at an organisational level. He suggested that we form the equivalent of WHO or NATO.

    There was also talk about bringing the best of the best speakers who were expert troubleshooters, problem solvers and people with the answers representing all sectors of society, all facets of community and all aspects of our being, all in the same place. The speakers would be providing answers for the individual, the collective and the all. (it would now have to be all on one website or social media platform.)
    What we do to help the individual is very different to how we help the collective and the all, so it would have to be at levels that help people with each stage.

    I cannot do this video justice with this short Précis so best to listen and make your own mind up.



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    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
    At an individual level, this is what we can do...

    1. Stop partaking of all caffeinated food - caffeine is a neurotoxin - this includes all chocolate, coffee, energy drinks
    2. Do what you love to do rather than what you think you have to do
    3. Exercise at your level of fitness
    4. Get adequate sleep. 7- 8 hours at a minimum
    5. Take cat naps
    6. Meditate, or learn to if you don't know how.
    7. Work daily on your gifts, talents and skills
    8. Eat high quality foods - Raw, organic, unprocessed, vegan
    9. Abstain from alcohol. It is a neurotoxin and disrupts sleep
    10. Ground yourself - watch the "Grounded documentary" to find out how.
    ...

    Constance that's a really good list overall.

    However, one of my greatest pleasures in life is chocolate!

    I have had a chocolate fix of some sort or another almost every day for most of my life and that won't be changing for me.

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    Ahhh she hit the chocolate, I knew that was coming, I too love chocolate.. and coffee.. dang it.

    But as always she gives beautiful advice!

    Thank You Constance!

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    I get it DaveToo

    I have zero expectations that anyone will take any of what I've said to heart but you have to know that I had to try!



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    Ahhh she hit the chocolate, I knew that was coming, I too love chocolate.. and coffee.. dang it.

    But as always she gives beautiful advice!

    Thank You Constance!
    Well Denise, I've always liked how intuitive you are.

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