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    Five months on, what scientists now know about the coronavirus

    The Guardian Robin McKie Science Editor,The Guardian

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-month...054034424.html



    Photograph: NEXU Science Communication/Reuters

    Coronaviruses have been causing problems for humanity for a long time. Several versions are known to trigger common colds and more recently two types have set off outbreaks of deadly illnesses: severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers).

    But their impact has been mild compared with the global havoc unleashed by the coronavirus that is causing the Covid-19 pandemic. In only a few months it has triggered lockdowns in dozens of nations and claimed more than 100,000 lives. And the disease continues to spread.

    That is an extraordinary achievement for a spiky ball of genetic material coated in fatty chemicals called lipids, and which measures an 80-billionth of a metre in diameter. Humanity has been brought low by a very humble assailant.

    On the other hand, our knowledge about the Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is also remarkable. This was an organism unknown to science five months ago. Today it is the subject of study on an unprecedented scale. Vaccines projects proliferate, antiviral drug trials have been launched and new diagnostic tests are appearing.

    The questions are therefore straightforward: what have we learned over the past five months and how might that knowledge put an end to this pandemic?
    Where did it come from and how did it first infect humans?

    The Sars-CoV-2 virus almost certainly originated in bats, which have evolved fierce immune responses to viruses, researchers have discovered. These defences drive viruses to replicate faster so that they can get past bats’ immune defences. In turn, that transforms the bat into a reservoir of rapidly reproducing and highly transmissible viruses. Then when these bat viruses move into other mammals, creatures that lack a fast-response immune system, the viruses quickly spread into their new hosts. Most evidence suggests that Sars-CoV-2 started infecting humans via an intermediary species, such as pangolins.

    “This virus probably jumped from a bat into another animal, and that other animal was probably near a human, maybe in a market,” says virologist Professor Edward Holmes of Sydney University. “And so if that wildlife animal has a virus it’s picked up from a bat and we’re interacting with it, there’s a good chance that the virus will then spread to the person handling the animal. Then that person will go home and spread it to someone else and we have an outbreak.”

    As to the transmission of Sars-CoV-2, that occurs when droplets of water containing the virus are expelled by an infected person in a cough or sneeze.
    Health officials inspect bats to be confiscated in the wake of coronavirus outbreak at a live animal market in Solo, Central Java, Indonesia.
    Health officials inspect bats to be confiscated in the wake of a coronavirus outbreak at a live animal market in Solo, Central Java, Indonesia. Photograph: AP
    How does the virus spread and how does it affect people?

    Virus-ridden particles are inhaled by others and come into contact with cells lining the throat and larynx. These cells have large numbers of receptors – known as Ace-2 receptors – on their surfaces. (Cell receptors play a key role in passing chemicals into cells and in triggering signals between cells.) “This virus has a surface protein that is primed to lock on that receptor and slip its RNA into the cell,” says virologist Professor Jonathan Ball of Nottingham University.

    Once inside, that RNA inserts itself into the cell’s own replication machinery and makes multiple copies of the virus. These burst out of the cell, and the infection spreads. Antibodies generated by the body’s immune system eventually target the virus and in most cases halt its progress.

    “A Covid-19 infection is generally mild, and that really is the secret of the virus’s success,” adds Ball. “Many people don’t even notice they have got an infection and so go around their work, homes and supermarkets infecting others.”

    By contrast, Sars – which is also caused by a coronavirus – makes patients much sicker and kills about one in 10 of those infected. In most cases, these patients are hospitalised and that stops them infecting others – by cutting the transmission chain. Milder Covid-19 avoids that issue.
    Why does the virus sometimes cause death?

    Occasionally, however, the virus can cause severe problems. This happens when it moves down the respiratory tract and infects the lungs, which are even richer in cells with Ace-2 receptors. Many of these cells are destroyed, and lungs become congested with bits of broken cell. In these cases, patients will require treatment in intensive care.

    Even worse, in some cases, a person’s immune system goes into overdrive, attracting cells to the lungs in order to attack the virus, resulting in inflammation. This process can run out of control, more immune cells pour in, and the inflammation gets worse. This is known as a cytokine storm. (In Greek, “cyto” means cell and “kino” means movement.) In some cases, this can kill the patient.

    Just why cytokine storms occur in some patients but not in the vast majority is unclear. One possibility is that some people have versions of Ace-2 receptors that are slightly more vulnerable to attacks from the coronavirus than are those of most people.
    Are we protected for life if we get infected?

    Doctors examining patients recovering from a Covid-19 infection are finding fairly high levels of neutralising antibodies in their blood. These antibodies are made by the immune system, and they coat an invading virus at specific points, blocking its ability to break into cells.

    “It is clear that immune responses are being mounted against Covid-19 in infected people,” says virologist Mike Skinner of Imperial College London. “And the antibodies created by that response will provide protection against future infections – but we should note that it is unlikely this protection will be for life.”

    Instead, most virologists believe that immunity against Covid-19 will last only a year or two. “That is in line with other coronaviruses that infect humans,” says Skinner. “That means that even if most people do eventually become exposed to the virus, it is still likely to become endemic – which means we would see seasonal peaks of infection of this disease. We will have reached a steady state with regard to Covid-19.”

    The virus will be with us for some time, in short. But could it change its virulence? Some researchers have suggested that it could become less deadly. Others have argued that it could mutate to become more lethal. Skinner is doubtful. “We have got to consider this pandemic from the virus’s perspective,” he says. “It is spreading round the world very nicely. It is doing OK. So why should it change?”

    In the end, it will be the development and roll-out of an effective vaccine that will free us from the threat of Covid-19, Skinner says.
    When will we get a vaccine?

    On Friday, the journal Nature reported that 78 vaccine projects had been launched round the globe – with a further 37 in development. Among the projects that are under way is a vaccine programme that is now in phase-one trials at Oxford University, two others at US biotechnology corporations and three more at Chinese scientific groups. Many other vaccine developers say they plan to start human testing this year.
    A woman holds a small bottle labeled with a “Vaccine COVID-19” sticker.
    Around the globe, there are 78 vaccine projects. Photograph: Dado Ruvić/Reuters

    This remarkable response raises hopes that a Covid-19 vaccine could be developed in a fairly short time. However, vaccines require large-scale safety and efficacy studies. Thousands of people would receive either the vaccine itself or a placebo to determine if the former were effective at preventing infection from the virus which they would have encountered naturally. That, inevitably, is a lengthy process.

    As a result, some scientists have proposed a way to speed up the process – by deliberately exposing volunteers to the virus to determine a vaccine’s efficacy. “This approach is not without risks but has the potential to expedite candidate vaccine testing by many months,” says Nir Eyal, a professor of bioethics at Rutgers University.

    Volunteers would have to be young and healthy, he stresses: “Their health would also be closely monitored, and they would have access to intensive care and any available medicines.” The result could be a vaccine that would save millions of lives by being ready for use in a much shorter time than one that went through standard phase three trials.

    But deliberately infecting people – in particular volunteers who would be given a placebo vaccine as part of the trial – is controversial. “This will have to be thought through very carefully,” says Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University. “Young people might jump at the opportunity to join such a trial but this is a virus that does kill the odd young person. We don’t know why yet. However, phase-three trials are still some way off, so we have time to consider the idea carefully.”
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    An interesting day today. If anyone doesn't know what the very remarkable Naadi Prophecies are, do read this thread.
    In this video (and a previous longer one), the coronavirus is described in detail, together with our efforts to combat it. The prophecies were made thousands of years ago, written on palm leaves and very carefully preserved. They look like this:



    Here's the very interesting recent video:


    Summary of the 19 minute video above:
    • There'll be a recognized Covid-19 "cure" by 12 April — i.e. today. They prophecies are that precise.
    • There'll be more lockdowns and public unrest, and possible uprisings. But step by step, the restrictions will be lifted at the end of May.
    • By the beginning of summer, life will be normal again. There'll be another outbreak in September, but not as bad as the current (first) outbreak.
    • To help yourself, strengthen your personal immune system. Avoid negativity and fear, eat green vegetables (freshly picked if possible), take tulsi (an Indian herb), basil (dark green is best), drink hot water regularly, and make sure your food is always fully cooked.
    ~~~

    The prospect of a "cure" dated today implies that something may be publicly recognized or acknowledged. It seems to suggest that something will prominently change, or 'tip". Of course, it's not clear whether "today" refers to the time zone in Tamil Nadu (southern India), and maybe the "cure" will be acknowledged in India only. (Or maybe only in a scientific paper published today, to be widely recognized later.)

    So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see ).
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    A conversation with Dr. Paul Cottrell and a nurse.


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    Just throwing stuff out there. This page Crucial Facts About Covid-19 is pretty interesting. Have a look at the spread sheet: (Source Data)
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    Crucial Facts About Covid-19
    By James D. Agresti
    March 31, 2020
    Updated 4/11/20



    Given the spread of misinformation about Covid-19, Just Facts is providing a trove of rigorously documented facts about this disease and its impacts. These include some vital facts that have been absent or misreported in much of the media’s coverage of this issue.

    This research also includes a groundbreaking study to determine the lethality of Covid-19 based on the most comprehensive available measure: the total years of life that it will rob from all people. This accords with the CDC’s tenet that “the allocation of health resources must consider not only the number of deaths by cause but also” the “years of potential life lost.”

    The CDC emphasizes that the Covid-19 pandemic “is a rapidly evolving situation,” and as such, this article will be updated each weekday as the CDC publishes new data.

    On one hand, the facts show that:
    • the death rate for people who contract Covid-19 is uncertain but is probably closer to that of the seasonal flu than figures commonly reported by the press.
    • the average years of life lost from each Covid-19 death are significantly fewer than from common causes of untimely death like accidents and suicides.
    • the virus that causes Covid-19 is “very vulnerable to antibody neutralization” and has limited ability to mutate, which means it is very unlikely to take masses of lives year after year like the flu and other recurring scourges.
    • if 240,000 Covid-19 deaths ultimately occur in the United States, the virus will rob about 2.9 million years of life from all Americans who were alive at the outset of 2020, while the flu will rob them of about 35 million years, suicides will rob them of 132 million years, and accidents will rob them of 409 million years.

    On the other hand, elderly people and those with chronic ailments are extremely vulnerable to Covid-19. Furthermore, the disease is highly transmissible, which means it could spread like wildfire and overwhelm hospitals without extraordinary measures to contain it. This would greatly increase its death toll.

    However, such precautionary measures often have economic and other impacts that can cost lives, and overreacting can ultimately kill more people than are saved.

    Likelihood of Exposure

    Per the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a total of 492,416 people in the United States have been diagnosed with Covid-19 as of 4:00 PM EST on April 10, 2020. The U.S. population is 329 million people, which means that one out of every 669 people has been diagnosed with Covid-19. The disease is not equally dispersed throughout the nation, so this figure is much higher in some areas and much lower in others.

    Reported cases don’t include people who may have Covid-19 but have not yet been diagnosed. Because its incubation period is 2–14 days, the number of people who have been infected could substantially exceed the number who have been diagnosed.

    Also, the vast majority of people who contract Covid-19 experience only mild or no symptoms, and many of them may never be diagnosed. This means that the count of reported cases further understates the actual number of people who have been infected. A February 2020 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association based on data from China found that 81% of reported Covid-19 cases are “mild.” The true portion of such cases is even higher than this, for as the paper explains, there are “inherent difficulties in identifying and counting mild and asymptomatic cases.”

    A rare case in which asymptomatic cases can be counted is the Diamond Princess cruise ship, since all passengers were tested for Covid-19. Among those who tested positive, 51% didn’t have symptoms when they were tested. The number of these people who later developed symptoms is currently unavailable.

    Conversely, the number of people who have ever been infected may greatly exceed the number who are still infected. Growing numbers of people who were once diagnosed with Covid-19 have recovered, and the count of those who were unknowingly infected and had fast recoveries could be enormous. A March 2020 paper in the journal Microbes and Infection notes that “most infected individuals … appear to be able to recover with little to no medical intervention.”

    Moreover, a March 2020 paper in the Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal states: “Preliminary evidence suggests children are just as likely as adults” to contract Covid-19, but they are “less likely to be symptomatic,” and even those with diagnosed infections typically “recover 1–2 weeks after the onset of symptoms.”

    The upshot of all this is that the number of people who are actively infected and contagious is lower than the total of reported and undiagnosed cases.

    A March 2020 paper in the journal Science condenses the factors above into a single number. It estimates that 86% of all Covid-19 infections in Wuhan, China “were undocumented” before the government implemented travel restrictions. This means that the number of people who were infected was six times the number of documented infections. This figure declines as social distancing measures are adopted and as diagnoses and recoveries rise as time passes.

    Under that worst-case scenario from Wuhan, if the number of people with contagious Covid-19 infections in the U.S. is actually six times the number of people who have been diagnosed with it, the average American would have to come in contact with 112 people to be exposed to one person who has it.

    Numbers of Deaths

    A total of 18,559 U.S. residents have died from Covid-19 as of 4:00 PM on April 10, 2020. To put this figure in perspective:
    In other words, deaths from Covid-19 are now 8.9% of the annual fatalities from the flu and accidents. Although Covid-19 is a new disease and took its first reported life in the U.S. during late February, this comparison may substantially overstate the relative deadliness of Covid-19 because fatalities from accidents and the flu occur in droves every year, and this is unlikely for Covid-19.

    The primary reason why the flu takes tens of thousands of lives every year is because the viruses that cause it mutate in ways that prevent people from becoming immune to them. Per the Journal of Infectious Diseases, “All viruses mutate, but influenza remains highly unusual among infectious diseases” because it mutates very rapidly, and thus, “new vaccines are needed almost every year” to protect against it. While much remains to be seen about the mutations of the virus that causes Covid-19, the early indications are that it will not mutate rapidly and become an ongoing scourge.

    As detailed in a March 2020 paper in a molecular biology journal that cites Michael Farzan, co‐chair of the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research, once a vaccine for Covid-19 is developed, it “would not need regular updates, unlike seasonal influenza vaccines” because the part of the virus that the vaccine targets “is protected against mutation” by a feature of its genetic material, or RNA.

    The same point applies to naturally acquired immunity. People who get Covid-19 develop natural antibodies that protect against future infections of it. The physiology textbook The Human Body in Health and Illness explains that such immunity, which is called “active immunity,” is “generally long lasting.” The same applies to diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, and polio. If someone contracts these diseases, they rarely get them again, and furthermore, they are very unlikely to transmit them to others. Thus, these people become firewalls against the spread of these contagions.

    Media outlets like The Atlantic, Vox, and Forbes have turned the truth of this matter on its head by confusing the general nature of coronaviruses with that of Covid-19. The habit of calling Covid-19 “the coronavirus” can be very misleading because there are different types of coronaviruses, and Covid-19 is caused by just one of them. Coronaviruses are a family of RNA viruses that includes some common cold viruses. These viruses tend to mutate rapidly, but Covid-19 does not share that trait. Per the same March 2020 paper cited just above, the virus that causes Covid-19 “does not mutate rapidly for an RNA virus because, unusually for this category, it has a proof‐reading function” in its genetics.

    Likewise, a February 19th editorial in the British Medical Journal about Covid-19 reports that the “genome data available so far show no unexpected mutation rate or signs of adaptation….”

    Put simply, Covid-19 does not mutate nearly as much as the flu, and thus, it is far less likely to take lives regardless of acquired immunity and vaccines. If this proves true in the long run, as current evidence suggests it will, the lifetime risk of dying from Covid-19 is greatly overstated by comparing its ultimate death toll to yearly fatalities from the flu, accidents, suicides, and other frequent causes of death.

    Years of Lost Life

    Beyond raw numbers of deaths, another crucial factor in measuring the deadliness of a public health threat is the ages of its victims. In the words of the CDC, “the allocation of health resources must consider not only the number of deaths by cause but also by age.” Hence, the “years of potential life lost” has “become a mainstay in the evaluation of the impact of injuries on public health.”

    In this respect, Covid-19 is much less lethal than common causes of untimely death, such as accidents. The precise average age of death for Covid-19 fatalities is still unknown, but the vast majority of victims are elderly or have one or more chronic illnesses, as is the case with deaths from the flu and pneumonia.

    Based on the CDC’s latest data for the age distribution of deaths, the average age of death for accidents is about 53.3 years, while for the flu and pneumonia, it is about 77.4 years. Using flu and pneumonia as a rough proxy for Covid-19, this disease robs an average of 12.0 years of life from each of its victims, as compared to 30.6 years of lost life for each accident. And again, accidents kill around 170,000 Americans per year, while Covid-19 is unlikely to have an ongoing high death toll because of its limited prospects for mutation.

    In a March 29th comment that generated headlines in virtually every major media outlet, renowned immunologist Anthony Fauci told CNN’s Jake Tapper that “looking at what we’re seeing now, I would say between 100,000 and 200,000” Americans will die from Covid-19, but “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target that you can so easily be wrong and mislead people.” The next day, Dr. Fauci emphasized that those figures are based on a model, and “a model is as good as the assumptions that you put into” it.

    A day later at a White House press conference, Dr. Deborah Birx, another world-renowned immunologist, presented a slide of model results based upon “five or six international and domestic modelers from Harvard, from Columbia, from Northeastern, from Imperial who helped us tremendously.” The model projects that 100,000 to 240,000 deaths will occur if Americans follow social distancing and hygiene guidelines. She added that “we really believe and hope every day that we can do a lot better than that because that’s not assuming 100% of every American does everything that they’re supposed to be doing, but I think that’s possible.”

    If the high-end of that range comes to pass, and 240,000 U.S. residents die from Covid-19, this disease will rob 2.9 million years of life from all Americans who were alive at the outset of 2020. In comparison, the flu will rob them of about 35 million years, suicides will rob them of 132 million years, and accidents will rob them of 409 million years.

    These figures reveal that accidents are about 140 times more lethal to Americans than this worst-case scenario for Covid-19 given mitigation. Likewise, the flu is 12 times as lethal as Covid-19, and suicides are about 45 times. This is a substantially more comprehensive measure of deadliness than the tally of lives lost during a year—or any other random unit of time—because it accounts for the entirety of people’s lives and the total years of life that they lose.

    While not diminishing the value of any life, these facts speak to the efforts that society takes to save some lives versus others.

    Death Rates

    Initial media reports of a 2–3% mortality rate for Covid-19 are inflated, and the actual figure may be closer to that of the flu, which has averaged about 0.15% over the past nine years in the United States. A large degree of uncertainty surrounds this issue due to the same factor that prevents accurate counts of infections: unreported cases.

    As explained by Dr. Brett Giroir—who has authored nearly 100 peer-reviewed scientific publications and serves as the Assistant Secretary for Health at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services—the Covid-19 death rate is “lower than you heard probably in many reports” because the bulk of people who contract coronavirus don’t get seriously ill, and thus, many of them never get tested.

    Giroir calls this a “denominator problem” because if you’re “not very ill, as most people are not, they do not get tested. They do not get counted in the denominator.” Giroir’s best estimate is that the mortality rate is probably “somewhere between 0.1% and 1%.” This “is likely more severe in its mortality rate than the typical flu” rate of 0.1% to 0.15%, “but it’s certainly within the range.”

    Giroir’s estimate accords with a February 2020 commentary in the New England Journal of Medicine by Fauci and others:
    If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.
    A prime example of how journalists misreport on this issue is a March 12th article in Business Insider by Andy Kiersz. In this piece, he compares the “death rates” of Covid-19 from the South Korean CDC to that of the flu from the United States CDC. Based on these numbers, he reports that “South Korea—which has reported some of the lowest coronavirus death rates of any country—still has a COVID-19 death rate more than eight times higher than that of the flu.”

    What Kiersz and his editors fail to understand is that the denominator for the Korean rate is the number of “confirmed cases,” while the denominator for the U.S. rate is based on a “mathematical model.” The CDC clarifies how the model works by citing a study on swine flu, which multiplies “43,677 laboratory-confirmed cases” of the disease by 41 to 131 times to calculate the denominator for the death rate. In the authors’ words, they do this because confirmed cases are:
    likely a substantial underestimate of the true number. Correcting for under-ascertainment using a multiplier model, we estimate that 1.8 million–5.7 million cases occurred, including 9,000–21,000 hospitalizations.
    Put simply, Covid-19 death rates that are based upon reported or confirmed infections grossly undercount the number of people with the disease. This, in turn, makes the death rate seem substantially higher than reality.

    Social Media Amplification

    The famous maxim that “there are six degrees of separation between everyone in the world” has changed in recent years due to social media. A 2014 paper in the journal Computers in Human Behavior finds that the “average number of acquaintances separating any two people” has declined from six to 3.9.

    A 2011 paper in the American Journal of Sociology estimates that each American knows an average of 550 people. If 150 of these are mutual connections who already know each other, each American has about 220,000 friends of friends—and 88 million friends of friends of friends.

    Thus, if everyone is sharing on social media about people they know who have been infected or killed by Covid-19, it can seem like the world is coming to an end. Yet, if people did the same for other deaths, each person would hear every year about an average of:
    • 1,905 deaths among their friends of friends, and 761,844 deaths among their friends of friends of friends.
    • 38 deaths from the flu and pneumonia among their friends of friends, and 15,075 such deaths among their friends of friends of friends.
    • 6 deaths of people under the age of 65 from the flu and pneumonia among their friends of friends, and 2,385 such deaths among their friends of friends of friends.
    In addition to social media, the press acts as another megaphone of Covid-19’s impacts. Because the U.S. is the third-most populous nation in the world, it is easy for journalists to create misleading impressions by focusing on certain events and ignoring the broader context of facts that surround them. This kind of crucial context is missing from much of the media’s coverage of Covid-19 and practically every other public policy issue.

    Transmissibility

    Another important factor in weighing the risks posed by Covid-19 is its transmissibility, or how contagious it is. In this respect, Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the seasonal flu because it spreads very quickly and can overwhelm hospitals.

    Scientists measure the contagiousness of diseases with a basic reproduction number, which is the average number of people who tend to catch a disease from each person who has it. This measure is an innate characteristic of the disease because it doesn’t account for actions that people take to prevent it. A February 2020 paper published in the Journal of Travel Medicine explains that any disease with a basic reproduction number above 1.0 is likely to multiply over time.

    The same paper evaluates 12 studies of the basic reproduction number of Covid-19 in various nations and finds that they “ranged from 1.4 to 6.49,” with an average of 3.28 and a median of 2.79. Based on their analysis of these studies, the authors conclude that the basic reproduction number of Covid-19 will likely prove to be “around 2–3” after “more data are accumulated.”

    In contrast, a 2014 paper in the journal BMC Infectious Diseases analyzes 24 studies of the seasonal flu and finds that the median result for the basic reproduction number is 1.28. The authors stress that the seemingly small difference between 1.28 and higher figures like 1.80 “represent the difference between epidemics that are controllable and cause moderate illness and those causing a significant number of illnesses and requiring intensive mitigation strategies to control.”

    In other words, if the transmissibility of Covid-19 is as high as currently estimated, the aggressive measures that some governments, organizations, and individuals have taken to limit large gatherings and travel from areas with outbreaks will save many more lives than doing the same for common diseases like the flu. Because Covid-19 spreads so quickly, it can easily overwhelm hospitals and thereby prevent people from getting the care they would otherwise receive under normal circumstances.

    Overreactions

    There are, however, mortal dangers in overreacting because measures to limit the spread of Covid-19 often have economic impacts that can cost lives. As detailed in the textbook Macroeconomics for Today, countries with low economic growth “are less able to satisfy basic needs for food, shelter, clothing, education, and health.” These hazards can manifest quickly and over extended periods of time.

    If certain industries adopted the social distancing extremes that many people have embraced, this would shut down food production and distribution, health care, utilities, and other life-sustaining services. Even under far more moderate scenarios where people who are not in these industries shun work, all of those necessities and many more aspects of modern life depend on the general strength of the economy. Thus, overreacting can ultimately kill more people than are saved.

    The same applies to people who are flooding supermarkets to stockpile food, toilet paper, and other supplies. In doing so, they have often stood in close proximity to each other and touched the same items, which opens avenues to spread the disease. Panic buying also creates shortages that deprive typical consumers of provisions.

    Likewise, panic can fuel suicides, which snuff out about 47,000 lives per year in the U.S. at an average age of 46 years old. Over a lifetime, that amounts to 132 million lost years of life—or 46 times the loss from Covid-19 if it ultimately kills 240,000 people.

    The implications of overreacting to Covid-19 or any other potential hazard are aptly summarized in a teaching guide published by the American Society for Microbiology. This book explains why “the factors driving your concept of risk—emotion or fact—may or may not seem particularly important to you, yet they are” because “there are risks in misperceiving risks.”

    The Path Forward

    Aggressive social distancing can extend the timeframe over which Covid-19 patients are infected and hospitalized, but it cannot by itself reduce those outcomes in the long run. This is because Covid-19 is so contagious that another outbreak will begin and quickly proliferate as soon as the distancing measures cease.

    Hence, the Imperial College’s March 16th report on Covid-19 states that in order to “avoid a rebound in transmission,” policies of “population-wide social distancing combined with home isolation of cases and school and university closure” must “be maintained until large stocks of vaccine are available to immunize the population—which could be 18 months or more.”

    Moreover, the report notes that the “more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity.” A 2012 paper in the journal PLoS One about “Immunity in Society” underscores the importance of that point by noting that:
    when a sufficiently high proportion of individuals within a population becomes immune (either through prior exposure or through mass vaccination), community or “herd” immunity emerges, whereby individuals that are poorly immunized are protected by the collective “immune firewall” provided by immunized neighbors. In humans and other vertebrate communities … responses to a previously encountered pathogen are faster and stronger than those to a novel pathogen, and thus individuals are better at blocking its spread. [Emphasis in original.]
    Equally, if very few people are immune to a disease, they can transmit it to others instead of blocking it. Without a vaccine, the only way people can become immune to Covid-19 is by catching it and recovering. This means that too much social distancing may cause more deaths because young, healthy people—who would otherwise catch the disease, recover quickly, and become firewalls—remain as potential carriers.

    However, social distancing can keep hospitalizations at reasonable levels so that victims receive proper care, and it can also buy time to discover and mass-produce effective treatments. This is a distinct possibility in the short term, for as Michael Farzan, co‐chair of the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research, has stated, the same physical feature of the virus that makes it so contagious also makes it:
    very vulnerable to antibody neutralization, and thus it is a relatively easy virus to protect against. I refer to it as “stupid” on a spectrum where HIV, which lives in the face of an active immune system for years, is a “genius.”
    President Trump has touted a small French study showing that treatment with a combination of two drugs, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, “is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients….” The study was published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, and the 18 scholars who authored it wrote that the “results are promising” and “we recommend that Covid-19 patients be treated with” these drugs “to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people.” Nonetheless, media outlets have covered this matter by reporting that Trump “is not a doctor” and that he shouldn’t hype “unproven” and “untested” treatments or give people “false hope.”

    Theatrics aside, the FDA has issued an Emergency Use Authorization that allows doctors to treat certain hospitalized Covid-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine “when a clinical trial is not available or feasible.” The authors of the French study make clear that their “study has some limitations including a small sample size, limited long-term outcome follow-up, and dropout of six patients from the study, however in the current context, we believe that our results should be shared with the scientific community.”

    During a March 14th press conference, U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams asserted that “this situation will last longer, and more people will be hurt” if “we are complacent, selfish, uninformed,” and if “we spread fear, distrust, and misinformation.” Conversely, he said that “we will overcome this situation” if we “pitch in” and “share the facts.”

    The vital facts above confirm the wisdom of his words.

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    So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see ).
    Wim Hof is on live today with Brian Rose. Brian Rose has been interviewing a wide spectrum of "alt thinkers" who appreciate the science/spirit connection. I can't summarize the video but the theme is that we are all already kings and queens and we crown ourselves by acting like ourselves. Breathing is the way we charge the body with life force and the technique he uses shuts down the inflammatory response.

    Paraphrase.... "The life force itself... if we get control of it is innate capacity. If we spike it up, we crown ourselves"


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    Well gord thats some read.
    May be wrong but what I got out of it is that its not as deadly ie death rate as seasonal flu.
    That the current measures may actually lead to more deaths for a variety of causes.
    Many other causes of death have a higher rate than this virus.
    Happy to be corrected if I miss read it which, is possible as itsa long, long read for me.
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    • Listening to Alex Jones
    • Listening to Mike Adams
    • Listening to David Icke
    • Listening to Dr Chris Martenson
    • Listening to Dr Roger Seheult
    • Listening to Dr Francis Boyle
    • Listening to Dr Shiva Ayyadurai
    • Listening to Dr Anthony Fauci (not recommended!)
    • It's a bioweapon
    • It was accidentally released
    • It was deliberately released
    • It came form China
    • It came from the US
    • It came from the seafood market
    • The virus doesn't exist at all
    • It'll come back in a second wave later in the year
    • We'll all be immune pretty soon, when herd immunity is reached
    • It's airborne
    • It's not airborne
    • It's only a collection of 5G symptoms, nothing more
    • (...and much, much, much else).

    So "thoroughly debunks most everything you've been told about covid-19" may not be all that helpful!
    .........
    We are in an age when having discovered probability waves, we find that they simply refuse to collapse.
    Bill summarized a great number of ideas that some people at least find convincing. Is this not amazing in itself that the "real time" media extravaganza cannot hang together? The event cannot keep its story "straight".

    Content of what we believe has shaped our whole lives. I have read terms like "Spector", the Octopus and others for an "umbrella" that covers all the influencers. There IS OBVIOUSLY an agenda to maintain the glamour of a collective paradigm over riding any "common sense" of what benefits humans and other living creatures. Listen to the first very small portion of this video as a statement.



    So, we have influencers and we agree in a sense by believing. Media broadcast has permeated every place. This may be relevant... TOO MUCH INFORMATION? The numbers of us to support the consensus seems to have broken some how? IMO the probability waves of the artificial creation (which David Icke said a long time ago "was hacked" from the organic) have ALL COLLAPSED at once. The whole facade has fallen over and the result is shattering.

    Bill's list and the confounded inability to "see the same POV" regarding viruses for example, is evidence of the total fracture of the matrix. Fractally every piece is "the same" but "different" and crazy making.

    A residual common reaction is a grasping attempt by many to shut us down into small manageable pieces. People will actually willingly accept a police state take over in reaction to this confused picture.



    This is the time we must actually be ready to do something drastic. I think it is to use our skills for reality creation. "Simple techniques" to reconnect with our inner power exist and just need practice.

    The faux matrix that was placed as a filter over the "organic matrix" needed our attention. (Organic matrix is the illusion we perceive of the earth experience in nature and SO PERFECT it HAD to be designed deliberately). Now it is our responsibility to claim OUR desired POV. That needs us to acknowledge how we do create reality by perception based on belief and that we are not passive recipients. IMO whatever we deeply THINK will happen to us... YES it will case by case one by one and "in time".
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    An interesting day today. If anyone doesn't know what the very remarkable Naadi Prophecies are, do read this thread.
    In this video (and a previous longer one), the coronavirus is described in detail, together with our efforts to combat it. The prophecies were made thousands of years ago, written on palm leaves and very carefully preserved. They look like this:



    Here's the very interesting recent video:


    Summary of the 19 minute video above:
    • There'll be a recognized Covid-19 "cure" by 12 April — i.e. today. They prophecies are that precise.
    • There'll be more lockdowns and public unrest, and possible uprisings. But step by step, the restrictions will be lifted at the end of May.
    • By the beginning of summer, life will be normal again. There'll be another outbreak in September, but not as bad as the current (first) outbreak.
    • To help yourself, strengthen your personal immune system. Avoid negativity and fear, eat green vegetables (freshly picked if possible), take tulsi (an Indian herb), basil (dark green is best), drink hot water regularly, and make sure your food is always fully cooked.
    ~~~

    The prospect of a "cure" dated today implies that something may be publicly recognized or acknowledged. It seems to suggest that something will prominently change, or 'tip". Of course, it's not clear whether "today" refers to the time zone in Tamil Nadu (southern India), and maybe the "cure" will be acknowledged in India only. (Or maybe only in a scientific paper published today, to be widely recognized later.)

    So do please report any relevant news articles you happen to see. It's very tempting to guess that this may be some high-profile endorsement of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine + zinc (currently being slammed in the American anti-Trump media, which itself is fascinating to see ).

    I hope there is a cure found today (even if it's not announced today). I don't have any hydroxychloroquine, but I have been taking zinc. I'll definitely get some Tulsi tea.

    I'm currently watching Mystic Trip To India on Amazon Prime, a documentary about Craig Hamilton Parker's trip to India to meet the Naadi oracles.
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    READER: This reply was moved from the 'we don't trust the statistics' thread along with the post I was asking to be moved. That's why it reads out of place here.

    MODS: I am so so grateful you moved the Gord post of purely MSM statistics from the 'we don't trust the statistics' thread. Moving this request for it too might be very confusing to a reader of this thread, you can leave it, but you have my permission to delete this reply for good since you so kindly did move that post to the correct thread and it's a moot point here and totally irrelevant to this thread. THANK YOU.

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    Quote Posted by gord (here)
    Just throwing stuff out there. This page....Crucial Facts About Covid-19[/URL] is pretty interesting....
    Crucial Facts About Covid-19
    Gord, the only thing not in the least 'pretty interesting' is why you rudely posted a gigantic summary of everything this thread has debunked as a gigantic fraud that the perps of the downfall of civilization as we knew it are trying to fool everyone into thinking.

    What do you think this thread title means, Gord? Have you read a thing on it? Could you state what the strongest arguments so far presented are that completely demolish this sickening recap of the narrative that the most evil, parasitic organizations in human history want people to bow down, believe and self destruct their lives over?

    I think I can speak for the participants of this thread who agree with the topic, respect the topic and would say your bloated article of lies this thread has clearly already debunked or is working hard to, that...

    ...your posted article should really be renamed:
    CRUCIAL LIES ABOUT COVID-19 by JUST LIES, a fake non-profit organization fronting for parasites



    *****BILL/MODS... PLEASE MOVE THIS GARBAGE 1000% INAPPROPRIATE TO THIS THREAD TO THE 'TRUST' THE STATISTICS THREAD




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    Happy Easter all, keep the spirits up. im going to my sons girlfriend Katherins parents house for dinner. Last week a family relative , Joe , at 63 died on Friday.
    Joe was healthy, came down with a fever, went really high, had hallucinations so went to the hospital, and in no time inturbation and dead all in 5 days.

    no funeral, body disposed of I guess.

    meanwhile, an update on my sister with HIV and kidney failure, doing fine, but never got Covid test results back, phone no was disconnected. not sure why.
    regardless ,as of today, she feels good.

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    Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    A grim prospect: "Jensen told me: Take a Medicare patient who is diagnosed with simple non-COVID pneumonia. The hospital would receive a one-time Medicare lump-sum payout of $4600.

    However, if that Medicare patient is diagnosed with COVID-19 pneumonia, the Medicare coverage is a one-time $13,000 payment. And if the hospital puts that COVID-19 pneumonia patient on a ventilator, the one-time payment is $39,000. NOTE: It doesn’t matter how long these patients stay in hospital—there is only going to be one lump-sum insurance payment.

    So, I infer, there are several types of financial incentives for hospitals—

    ONE: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19.

    TWO: Diagnose as many people as possible with COVID-19 who have light symptoms—making it easy to move them out of the hospital quickly.

    THREE: Put as many COVID patients as possible on ventilators for as short a time as possible."
    More on this from J. Rappoport here: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...d-19-patients/

    Quote Posted by NewParadigmGuy (here)
    A blogger named "libertymavenstock" published this a few days ago. I don't know anything about this person, or his/her credentials, but I found it most interesting.

    Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

    Apr 5 · 8 min read

    In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

    There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required…

    The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

    Source:

    https://archive.is/ONUmi
    Each breath a gift...
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    THREE: Put as many COVID patients as possible on ventilators for as short a time as possible."
    More on this from J. Rappoport here: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...d-19-patients/
    About the ventilators in France. I listened to a contrarian doctor who explains that only 1 in 8 of the old patients will survive being put on ventilation. From the percentage that survives the greatest number will have life incapacitating consequences from this respiratory intervention. If patients would be honestly informed about what to expect many would accept their fate and prefer to go home to die. A significant number of beds in ICU would simply not be occupied.
    Sorry not to give any preciser data or references. I just repeat from memory and inform because it is important to look through the fraud we are being subjected to.
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Content of what we believe has shaped our whole lives. I have read terms like "Spector", the Octopus and others for an "umbrella" that covers all the influencers. There IS OBVIOUSLY an agenda to maintain the glamour of a collective paradigm over riding any "common sense" of what benefits humans and other living creatures. Listen to the first very small portion of this video as a statement.

    (...)

    So, we have influencers and we agree in a sense by believing. Media broadcast has permeated every place. This may be relevant... TOO MUCH INFORMATION? The numbers of us to support the consensus seems to have broken some how? IMO the probability waves of the artificial creation (which David Icke said a long time ago "was hacked" from the organic) have ALL COLLAPSED at once. The whole facade has fallen over and the result is shattering.

    Bill's list and the confounded inability to "see the same POV" regarding viruses for example, is evidence of the total fracture of the matrix. Fractally every piece is "the same" but "different" and crazy making.

    A residual common reaction is a grasping attempt by many to shut us down into small manageable pieces. People will actually willingly accept a police state take over in reaction to this confused picture.



    This is the time we must actually be ready to do something drastic. I think it is to use our skills for reality creation. "Simple techniques" to reconnect with our inner power exist and just need practice.

    The faux matrix that was placed as a filter over the "organic matrix" needed our attention. (Organic matrix is the illusion we perceive of the earth experience in nature and SO PERFECT it HAD to be designed deliberately). Now it is our responsibility to claim OUR desired POV. That needs us to acknowledge how we do create reality by perception based on belief and that we are not passive recipients. IMO whatever we deeply THINK will happen to us... YES it will case by case one by one and "in time".
    “Too much information?” YES.

    I do not accept this notion of being stuck in an artificial matrix, at least not as it is often presented. To live in the “matrix” is to reify a state of mind, turn it into a thing. It is likely getting frustrated with a fiendishly difficult puzzle and deciding that not only it cannot be solved, it is not a real, fair puzzle at all. The frustration is a mere possibly passing state: with a little more practice, you in the future might find the solution. Or you may have made a mistake much earlier and would need to start again almost from scratch. Or you may need a little help.

    The objective reality is that we ARE faced with a fiendishly difficult puzzle. We marvel at creatures surviving in extreme conditions on earth, but we need to realize that living as matter among matter in a universe made up of only 4% matter, this whole rocky planet is set in extreme conditions, “where the sun don’t shine”. Some get by in Siberian winters and tropical summers, but most crowd up in temperate regions that are relatively easier, except for the… overcrowding. Over eons, we have built up a huge amount of frustration that has been massively reified, but that reified frustration we call the matrix remains a subjective state of mind that can be overcome. We know we are close to despair when we proclaim that the entire universe is the work of the devil and there is nowhere to go. This feeling says nothing about the real nature of said universe. We have to work on the basis, i.e. accept Pascal’s wager, that it is a bona fide puzzle we can ultimately crack. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post117607

    It would be like seeing a bottle of fine wine from the standpoint of the dregs in the bottom. Using this metaphor, the great art historian Warburg saw the same issue in a much more positive light, as “das Nachleben der Antike” (the survival of the ancient). The dregs are only a negative/evil thing when viewed as a matrix, namely a reified form of a negative feeling that is cut off from the major reality, which is a bottle of fine wine. When you see the entire system, not as different things but as a process, and a positive process, then the dregs are an integral part of that refining process; meaning that the quality of the dregs defines the quality of the wine. The dregs are the reification of that process, its matrix if you will, a vital ingredient but which will ultimately be decanted off.

    Therein lies the twist: we act materialistically as though “objective reality” is the prize and the subjective state of mind something that gets in the way. The real prize is “subjective reality” with an enlarged subject (consciousness) where this “objective reality” is something to get out of the way. To change the analogy slightly, this makes sense if we think that we are keeping the place clean by clearing the sewers. Shifting sewage is a vital but thankless task, the dark side of running a beautiful city, and if we get stuck we may begin to feel like part of the sewage and that the sewer is all there is. Since the right state of mind is everything, focussing on the reality of the sewage is the wrong state of mind. My wife was telling me only yesterday how minor operations under hypnosis work: you are told to visualize something pleasant and faraway, like a Caribbean beach. 95% illusion (not delusion), but it gets the job done.

    “Too much information?” YES. This is where anything positive being done in this direction has outgrown its usefulness: enough people have enough information to know they are dealing with sewage. More encouragement is needed. Being happy is the correct response to wanting to be very afraid and disgusted, the magical but also the logical solution. Happiness is a state of mind that can be reified by doing happy things. Purify your sewage into top quality dregs, which is ultimately no dregs at all. Nihilism is no shortcut to that goal.


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    It looks like we can attribute our Trojan horse gift to a gathering of Biogen officers in Boston, who got together to celebrate how much money was coming from their new Alzheimer's drug earlier this year.

    "...the virus was already silently spreading among Biogen’s senior executives, who did not know they had been infected days earlier at the company’s annual leadership meeting.

    Biogen employees, most feeling healthy, boarded planes full of passengers. They drove home to their families. And they carried the virus to at least six states, the District of Columbia and three countries, outstripping the ability of local public health officials to trace the spread...The official count of those sickened— 99, including employees and their contacts, according to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health — includes only those who live in that state. The true number across the United States is certainly higher. The first two cases in Indiana were Biogen executives. So was the first known case in Tennessee, and six of the earliest cases in North Carolina."

    From the company, no one died, all recovered. Back in the nursing homes, according to what AP was able to piece together--since no one is exactly tracking it--"The latest count of at least 3,621 deaths is up from about 450 deaths just 10 days ago."

    There were only a couple of outbreaks before this distribution, which must be an important, if not the main, way it spread so far so fast.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

    It appears much has been aired in the public domain about the hospital stay of Boris Johnson, due to Covid-19. It is an impressive recovery for a man, like himself; overweight; middle aged; male; to go from the Intensive Care Unit, to home, all within a timeframe of 72 hours. In times like this (in the middle of a pandemic) the criteria to determine an appropriate admission to ICU/ITU would suggest he was very ill at the time of his admission to the unit; which makes the idea of him going to hospital “just for tests” two days previously, a bit odd! He appears now not to be exhibiting breathlessness or cough, and striding purposefully. It is a remarkable recovery, to say the least.

    Having worked in healthcare, with exposure to acute and intensive care settings, I (personally) haven’t seen a post-ICU patient appearing so well!

    Indeed, he is the PM and he will have special care; but that still does not explain the ICU admission—where there would be a far greater risk for contracting the virus—and now he appears as fresh as a daisy! To me, it does not add up.


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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Boris Johnson's recorded message after release from hospital:

    The entire video is Boris thanking the doctors and nurses by name without mention of his treatment.

    Does anyone know if it has or will be made public?

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    From the Dutch news site today:


    WHO: Seventy possible corona vaccines in the making, three tested on humans
    April 13, 2020 11:28 AM
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    Scientists worldwide are working on a total of seventy candidate vaccines against COVID-19, according to an overview by the world health organization WHO. Three of the corona vaccines are already being tested on humans.

    Researchers do their best to develop a vaccine in the shortest possible time. Normally this takes about fifteen years due to the extensive safety tests. Several governments have expressed the hope that a vaccine will be available in one to two years, but this is anything but certain.

    Three companies are now testing their candidate vaccines on humans. The most advanced is Hong Kong manufacturer CanSino. The company uses technology developed during research into a vaccine for Ebola. The other two companies are American.

    Moderna, one of the two American companies, was given permission last week to test directly on humans and skip animal testing. Incidentally, the company has never marketed a product. The other American company, Inovio, started testing people's own candidate vaccine last week.

    Currently, vaccines or effective medical treatments against the effects of the virus are probably the best way out of the corona crisis. Current measures such as social distancing and lockdowns slow down the spread enough to relieve care, but are not expected to eradicate the virus.

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    Apr 10, 2020 (10:27)
    This doctor is on fire! We need more like him.

    St Louis Doctor has had enough

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    Quote Having worked in healthcare, with exposure to acute and intensive care settings, I (personally) haven’t seen a post-ICU patient appearing so well!
    Hydroxychloroquine no? Duhh... what’s that? Anecdotal evidence and bad side effects - death possibly? No?! Orange man bad!!!!

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