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    Major London park to be closed after 3,000 'sunbathers' ignore lockdown rules

    Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-lockdow...212057376.html

    A London council has been forced to close one of the city’s largest parks after 3,000 “sunbathers” ignored the strict coronavirus lockdown measures.

    Lambeth Council tweeted on Saturday that Brockwell Park in Herne Hill, south London would be shut from Sunday onwards.

    Speaking on Sunday morning, health secretary Matt Hancock told Sophy Ridge on Sky News that people should not flout the coronavirus lockdown rules despite the warm weather.

    “Sunbathing is against the rules that have been set out for important public health reasons,” he said, adding that it was “unbelievable frankly to see some people are not following that advice”.

    “I say this to the very small minority of people who are choosing to flout the guidance you are putting other’s lives at risk and you are putting yourself in harm’s way.”

    He added that the “vast majority of the public” were following guidance to stay at home unless they are going to buy essentials such as food or medicine, seeking medical care, going to work, or exercising.

    Lambeth Council claimed around 3,000 visitors descended on the park on Saturday, many of whom were “sunbathing or in large groups”.
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    The council announced the news on Twitter, describing the revellers' behaviour as "unacceptable."

    “Despite clear advice, over 3000 people spent today in Brockwell Park, many of them sunbathing or in large groups,” a Lambeth council spokesperson tweeted.

    "This is unacceptable. Unfortunately, the actions of a minority now means that, following police advice, Brockwell Park will be closed tomorrow. #StayHome."

    Images posted on Twitter on Saturday showed crowds of people in London Fields and Battersea Park in the capital, with some seen sunbathing and others on hire bikes.

    In the North East, surfers were pictured on the beach at Tynemouth.

    Speaking at the daily Downing Street press conference, Cabinet secretary Michael Gove urged people to consider the current pressure on the NHS, and to ask themselves: “How am I helping in this shared national effort?”

    He added: “I know that lockdown is challenging, I know it’s very difficult, particularly for families with children.

    “But people must at every stage respect these guidelines because that is the only way of making sure we restrict the spread of the disease.
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    Here's a piece written in The Guardian by the Spanish leader:


    Europe's future is at stake in this war against coronavirus

    Pedro Sánchez

    April 5th

    Our citizens are dying and our hospitals overwhelmed. Either we respond with unwavering solidarity or our union fails, writes the Spanish prime minister


    Europe is enduring its worst crisis since the second world war. Our citizens are dying, or fighting for their lives in hospitals that are overwhelmed by a pandemic which represents the greatest threat to public health since the 1918 flu pandemic.

    The European Union is facing a different war from those we have successfully averted over the past 70 years: a war against an invisible enemy that is putting the future of the European project to the test.

    The circumstances are exceptional and call for unwavering positions: either we rise to this challenge or we will fail as a union. We have reached a critical juncture at which even the most fervently pro-European countries and governments, as is Spain’s case, need real proof of commitment. We need unwavering solidarity.

    Solidarity between Europeans is a key principle of the EU treaties. And it is shown at times like this. Without solidarity there can be no cohesion, without cohesion there will be disaffection and the credibility of the European project will be severely damaged.

    We welcome a number of significant measures that have been announced over the past few weeks, including the European Central Bank’s new temporary emergency purchase programme and the European commission’s SURE plan for those who have lost their jobs. But these measures are not enough on their own. We must go further.

    Europe must build a wartime economy and promote European resistance, reconstruction and recovery. It must start doing so as soon as possible with measures to support the public debt that many states, including Spain, are taking on. And it must continue to do so when this health emergency is over, to rebuild the continent’s economies by mobilising significant resources through a plan we are calling the new Marshall plan and which will require the backing of all of the EU’s common institutions.

    Europe was born out of the ashes of destruction and conflict. It learned the lessons of history and understood something very simple: if we don’t all win, in the end, we all lose.

    We can turn this crisis into an opportunity to rebuild a much stronger European Union. But to do so, we need to implement ambitious measures. If we continue to think small, we will fail.

    The United States responded to the recession of 2008 with a stimulus package, while Europe responded with austerity. We all know the outcome. Today, when we are on the brink of a global economic crisis of an even greater magnitude than that of 2008, the US has implemented the greatest mobilisation of public resources in its history.

    Is Europe willing to be left behind?

    It is time to break with old, national dogmas. We have entered a new era and we need new responses. Let us hold on to our positive values and reinvent the rest.

    In the coming months, the EU member states will inevitably take on greater volumes of debt to deal with the consequences of what is not just a health crisis, but an economic and social crisis. That is why the response cannot be the same as that envisaged for asymmetric economic shocks, such as a financial or banking crisis in a single state or group of states. If the virus does not respect borders, then nor should financing mechanisms.

    Provided that it is universal and not subject to conditions, the European Stability Mechanism may be useful in the initial stages to inject liquidity into EU economies through a line of credit. But this is not going to be sufficient in the medium term.

    The challenge we face is extraordinary and unprecedented. It calls for a single, united, radical and ambitious response to preserve our economic and social system and protect our citizens.

    The Spanish have always protected and defended the European project. It is time for reciprocity. With us, with Italy and with each and every one of the 27 countries of the union.

    It is time to act with solidarity in creating a new debt mutualisation mechanism, acting as a single bloc for the purchase of essential medical supplies, establishing coordinated cybersecurity strategies, and preparing a major emergency plan to ensure that the continent’s recovery is rapid and robust.

    This solidarity has to ensure that there are no gaps between north and south, that we leave no one behind.

    These are very challenging times which require bold decisions. Millions of Europeans believe in the European Union. We must not abandon them. We must give them reasons to keep believing. And we must act now or never, because, right at this moment, Europe itself is at stake.



    Pedro Sánchez is the prime minister of Spain


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    Coronavirus: Daily COVID-19 deaths in Spain, France and Italy continue to fall
    Sky News Philip Whiteside, international news reporter,Sky News

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    The number of coronavirus deaths in Spain has fallen for the third day in a row - a glimmer of hope in the hard-hit country where more than 12,400 have died.

    The fall is part of a pattern seen in other European countries which imposed a stringent lockdown several weeks ago, with France and Italy also seeing falls in the number of daily deaths.

    France on Saturday saw its daily death toll fall to 441 from 588 on Friday.

    Italy, on the same day, registered 681 deaths having reported 766 deaths the day before.

    Sky's Alex Rossi, in Madrid, said there was "muted optimism" as a result of the Spanish figures.

    Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez told the nation on Saturday: "We are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel."

    The number who have died in Spain now has reached 12,418. The number reported as having died in Italy on Saturday was 15,362 with 7,560 in France.

    Despite the lockdown appearing to reduce the number of daily deaths, authorities have made it clear they have no immediate intention of lifting the restrictions.

    Mr Sanchez said on Saturday he would ask parliament to extend his country's lockdown by 15 days until 26 April.

    He added a team of experts was also studying how restrictions could be gradual loosened to reactive the country's economy.

    Meanwhile, Italy's virus-ravaged Lombardy region is now requiring residents to wear a protective mask when they go outside.

    It follows similar orders in recent days in two other northern regions, hard-hit Veneto and Alto Adige, which require protective masks for residents if they go shopping in stores and markets.

    All of Italy is under a nationwide lockdown and Lombardy has passed particularly tight restrictions on movement and business operations.

    It comes amid a growing appreciation that the official death toll may be masking the true number dying.

    Interviews by Reuters with families, doctors and nurses in Lombardy indicate that scores are dying at home as symptoms go unchecked and medical professionals are unable to visit the sick before they pass away.

    In Bergamo province, where Sky News witnessed horrific scenes in the main hospital and where the mayor told Stuart Ramsay he was convinced the death toll was higher than that being reported, a recent study of death records found the true number could be more than double the official tally of 2,060, which only tracks hospital fatalities.

    In France, the centralised state has allowed authorities to take extraordinary measures in an attempt to save lives.

    Europe's biggest food market, in Rungis, south of Paris, is being transformed into a morgue.

    The country's high-speed train network has been whooshing critically ill COVID-19 patients and the breathing machines to which they are attached to locations where they can be looked after better.

    TGV trains are just one part of France's nationwide mobilisation of public transport, helicopters, jets and even a warship, to relieve congested hospitals.

    Nearly 7,000 patients are in intensive care in France, pushing hospitals to their limit and beyond.

    In Germany, which has been reporting a lower fatality rate than other European countries, the official toll rose by 184 to 1,342.

    But, health authorities reported that the number of new infections rose by 5,936 in the past 24 hours to 91,714 on Sunday, the third straight drop in the daily rate of new cases.
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    Chris, this may be the issue here.

    Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
    Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
    Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.
    I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

    It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

    But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.
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    There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.
    Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

    The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
    There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

    Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?
    No, not an over-reaction. An early reaction.

    Look at the shape of the exponential graph in my post immediately above. The numbers are super-low in India right now — of course. But if it grabs hold and spreads fast, there's a huge disaster there waiting to happen. So the Indian government is trying to slow that down, if at all possible, simply to give them time to cope.

    I've traveled in India several times. Back in 1981, when I was first there, 10,000 homeless, desperately poor people slept every night in Calcutta main railway station (now renamed Kolkata), and trucks would come every morning to take away the dead bodies.

    It's better now, but there are still huge slums, widespread poverty, and extremely crowded cities. It's not nearly as wealthy and organized as China is. My personal opinion is that the government has an almost impossible challenge to contain the thing there. I'm very worried about it, and I'm certain the government is, too.
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    More here about Ecuador which (unfortunately!) is getting a bad rap in all news, mainstream and otherwise.

    Note the honesty in this report. I don't think any other governments have admitted: "The pandemic has created a great deal of confusion and fear among all of the country’s institutions."~~~

    Vice President Otto Sonnenholzner announced Saturday new government assistance to help Guayaquil weather the coronavirus outbreak. “As of Monday, we are sending 1,500 hospital beds to the city as well as large deliveries of personal protective gear, hospital equipment and medicine,” he said. In addition, he said “a large number” of public health doctors and nurses are being reassigned to Guayaquil and Guayas Province.


    Vice President Otto Sonnenholzner


    “Guayaquil needs our help and the government will provide it to the best of our ability,” the vice president said. Of Ecuador’s 3,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases, 2,402 were in Guayas Province as of Saturday afternoon.

    Sonnenholnzer offered an apology to the people of Guayaquil for the government’s late response, saying the pandemic has created a great deal of confusion and fear among all of the country’s institution. “In particular, I apologize to those who have lost family members and friends to the virus as well as other causes in recent days and I regret the pain and humiliation many have experienced by the difficulty in transporting the bodies of the dead to funeral homes and cemeteries,” he said. “That situation has greatly improved since early in the week and we are working hard to avoid a repeat of it.”

    Sonnenholnzer also regretted the “deterioration” of Ecuador’s reputation due to international news reports of the Guayaquil epidemic. Such media at the Guardian, CNN and the Washington Post have posted articles about bodies on the sidewalks of Guayaquil due to the lack of funeral home services. “The images are very troubling for all of us and I can’t imagine the pain they bring to the families of the diseased,” he said.

    Repeating criticism of the news media lodged Friday by Foreign Minister José Valencia, Sonnenholnzer said the number of uncollected bodies in Guayaquil has been greatly exaggerated. “From a dozen cases, the newspapers and TV channels turned it into hundreds, which is dishonest and unfair,” he said, adding that now is not the time to fight a public relations war. “Sensationalism always carries the day with the media and there is little we can do about it.”

    Guayas Province Governor Pedro Pablo Duart offered what he called “clarification” to Guayaquil’s body crisis. “It is important to understand that what happened would not have been news, even in Ecuador, under normal circumstances,” he said. “The city’s death rate has increased 20 to 25 percent over the past 10 days, which could have been handled easily by the funeral homes. During the health emergency, however, more than 80 percent of the funeral businesses in Guayas Province are not operating, which has forced us to ask the military to assume the job of removing, storing and burying bodies.”

    Duart added that the health ministry estimates that about 20 percent of recent deaths in Guayaquil are the result of Covid-19 infections, despite the fact that few of the dead have been tested.

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    Here's a piece written in The Guardian by the Spanish leader:


    Europe's future is at stake in this war against coronavirus

    Pedro Sánchez

    April 5th

    We can turn this crisis into an opportunity to rebuild a much stronger European Union. But to do so, we need to implement ambitious measures. If we continue to think small, we will fail.​

    ...The United States responded to the recession of 2008 with a stimulus package, while Europe responded with austerity. We all know the outcome. Today, when we are on the brink of a global economic crisis of an even greater magnitude than that of 2008, the US has implemented the greatest mobilisation of public resources in its history.​
    Pedro Sánchez is the prime minister of Spain​


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    Re: Pedro Sánchez.

    What the United States did in 2008/2009, was send every American a check for a few hundred measly dollars, while "printing" trillions to save the very Wall Street bankers that caused the crash in the first place. Millions lost their homes, while the perps ran off with the loot and soon continued on with their merry ways.

    Don't let the subsequent skyrocketing stock market here fool anyone. While the rich got richer, wages remained stagnant, consumer prices rose, forcing many Americans to work their fingers to the bone just to keep their heads above water.

    That's what "Hope and Change" Barack Obama did for us, and this was "before things changed"...

    Fast forward to last month. Once again the average person on the street will get some table scraps as they slowly drown, while the sky is now the limit for large corporations and Wall Street like never before. To help the average person on the street the question always arises "how are you going to pay for it", while to help Wall Street the only question is "how much do we need to 'print'?"

    From March 20th:

    Quote WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Reserve moved with unprecedented force and speed Friday to pump huge amounts of cash into the financial system to ease disruptions that have escalated since the viral outbreak.

    The New York Federal Reserve Bank said it will offer $1 trillion of overnight loans a day through the end of this month to large banks. That is in addition to $1 trillion in 14-day loans it is offering every week. Banks, so far, have not borrowed nearly as much as the New York Fed is offering, and the loans are quickly repaid. None of the funding is from taxpayer dollars. Wall Street analysts say the huge number is intended to calm markets by demonstrating that the Fed’s ability to lend short-term is nearly unlimited.

    The Fed is also buying Treasury bonds at a furious pace, and will soon run through the $500 billion in purchases it announced on Sunday. It is also accelerating its purchases of mortgage-backed securities. Most analysts expect they will buy more.

    “The Fed has just worked with unprecedented speed,” said Steven Friedman, a former economist at the New York Fed and senior macroeconomist at MacKay Shields, an asset manager. “I think there will be no hesitation on their part about buying as many Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities as necessary.”...
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...to-large-banks

    What happens when half of Main Street goes belly up this time, while large corporations are flush with freshly injected cash? Bye bye mom and pop businesses, hello large national chains buying them up for pennies on the dollar and replacing them.

    What happens as millions lose their homes, again? Hello large banks swooping in to scoop them up for pennies on the dollar.

    That's what "Make America Great Again" Donald Trump is doing for us. Looks rather familiar, doesn't it?

    This is only one slice of the proverbial pie that's going on here. Of course the overall picture is much larger.

    What's the old saying? "Who benefits?"

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    Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

    Greybeard? Heard anything of this?


    Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
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    Several cell towers in Birmingham, Liverpool and Melling were set on fire Friday night, the BBC reports. The arson follows the spread of fake online news, in which a link is made between 5G radiation and the corona virus. It is not clear what the damage to the masts is.

    Last week, unsubstantiated messages were shared linking 5G to the coronavirus. The British Ministry of Digital Affairs, Culture, Media and Sport has warned on Twitter about the fake news reports about a link between 5G and the corona virus. Minister for Cabinet Affairs Michael Gove previously called the reports "dangerous nonsense".

    New transmission masts will be installed for the roll-out of the 5G network. Critics are concerned that the radiation from the masts may cause damage to health, although research has shown that the radiation remains below the recommended limit of the European Union.

    The police and fire brigade are still investigating the fires. It is not clear whether they are actually 5G radio masts that have been set on fire. The emergency services in the various cities were only able to confirm that they are telephone masts.

    In the Netherlands, there is also resistance to the new transmission masts for the 5G network. In February it emerged that telecom providers KPN, T-Mobile and Vodafone are experiencing problems with the installation of cell towers. Concerned citizens are increasingly taking legal action, as a result of which the placement of the antennas is delayed.

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    Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

    Greybeard? Heard anything of this?

    Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
    Yes, see this thread:

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    I just want to cross-refer this post, by our very own Mashika.
    Her 47-year old cousin "had issues breathing, was taken to the hospital, and never came out."

    We don't know that was Covid-19, but it sure matches the symptoms. This is real. It can hit anyone you know.

    Anyone reading this is well aware how to take good care of themselves. But first one has to acknowledge there's really a problem.

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    New transmission masts will be installed for the roll-out of the 5G network. Critics are concerned that the radiation from the masts may cause damage to health, although research has shown that the radiation remains below the recommended limit of the European Union.
    Time and time again, organizations just change the "recommended limit" to make their product appear to fit within the guidelines.

    It happens so often it has it's own chapter in "10 easy Steps to Writing a Business Plan".

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    THE GOVERNMENT ARE USING CORONAVIRUS TO DESTROY BUSINESSES: David Icke's Hunger Game Society

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    Another one in the Dutch newspapers:

    Greybeard? Heard anything of this?

    Radio masts in United Kingdom set on fire for fear of coronavirus
    Yes, see this thread:
    There is no denying that there is a problem Bill.
    Its a question for me-- did the degree of the effects of this virus on human health require the shutting down of virtually all self employed buisness -- the confining of vulnerable people who are bi-polar and need face to face human contact -- same with self help groups who have millions of attendees throughout the world,?

    We honestly cant tell at the moment how many lives will be saved --how many will face being jobless, how many will see split up of families, loss of homes, due to lack of income.
    We dont know if Sweden will come out worse than those with lock down.

    Bill I have no doubt that you honestly believe that this virus is the most serious since -- whatever.

    I honestly dont know but I have my doubts, as you have noticed.

    I dont have to be right -- im just posting what I find that is perhaps showing a less severe virus than touted by the media, but I believe its a very severe threat to freedom and personal livelihood and therefore global economy.

    I hope im wrong about personal livelihood as said my sons may well lose everything that they have worked for all their lives and they are far from being alone in this terrible situation.
    The self employed suffer -- all suffer the loss of freedom that an income provides

    With respect
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    Coronavirus: Michael Gove blasts 5G conspiracy theories as ‘dangerous nonsense’

    Yahoo News UK George Martin,Yahoo News UK 6

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...092659356.html

    Michael Gove has dismissed a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus crisis may have been caused by 5G networks as “dangerous nonsense”.

    Speaking at a Downing Street briefing on Saturday NHS England Professor Steve Powis also described the theories as “utter rubbish” after videos showing masts on fire were posted on social media.

    Mobile UK, the trade body which represents network providers, said key workers had been abused and infrastructure threatened as a result of the claims.

    On Thursday evening, West Midlands Fire Service said eight firefighters attended an incident involving a 70ft tower on a telecommunications site in the Sparkhill area of Birmingham, although the cause of the fire was not determined.
    In this image made available by British government because no media allowed into 10 Downing Street because of the coronavirus pandemic, showing British lawmaker Michael Gove holding a Digital Press Conference on COVID-19, in 10 Downing Street, London, Friday March 27, 2020. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for the COVID-19 coronavirus Friday along with other members of the government, and has self isolated. (Pippa Fowles / No 10 Downing Street via AP)
    Michael Gove holding a Digital Press Conference at 10 Downing Street on Friday night. (AP)

    Professor Powis said: “I’m absolutely outraged, absolutely disgusted, that people would be taking action against the very infrastructure that we need to respond to this health emergency.

    “It is absolute and utter rubbish.”

    Cabinet Secretary Michael Gove added: “That’s just nonsense, dangerous nonsense as well.”
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    Prof Brendan Wren, professor of microbial pathogenesis, at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said a connection between the phone masts and the virus would be “both a physical and biological impossibility”.

    Celebrities who are “fanning the flames” of the conspiracy theories should be ashamed, another scientist said.
    National Medical Director at NHS England Stephen Powis speaks during the daily press conference giving the latest update on the Coronavirus pandemic, at Downing Street in London, Saturday March 21, 2020.. For some people the COVID-19 coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, but for others it causes severe illness. (Jonathan Brady / Pool via AP)
    National Medical Director at NHS England Stephen Powis also condemned the conspiracy theories. (AP)

    Cheers actor Woody Harrelson and former Dancing on Ice judge Jason Gardiner are among stars who have shared theories.

    Dr Michael Head, senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton, said: “Conspiracy theorists are a public health danger who once read a Facebook page.

    “Here, we also see similar groups of people keen to show their ignorance on a topic where they have no helpful expertise, nor any inclination to post useful public health messages.

    “The celebrities fanning the flames of these conspiracy theorists should be ashamed.”

    Mobile UK, the trade body which represents network providers, said it is “concerning that certain groups are using the Covid-19 pandemic to spread false rumours and theories about the safety of 5G technologies”.

    “More worryingly some people are also abusing our key workers and making threats to damage infrastructure under the pretence of claims about 5G,” a statement said.

    “This is not acceptable and only impacts on our ability as an industry to maintain the resilience and operational capacity of the networks to support mass home working and critical connectivity to the emergency services, vulnerable consumers and hospitals.”

    It continued: “The theories that are being spread about 5G on social media are baseless and are not grounded in accepted scientific theory.

    “Research into the safety of radio signals including 5G, which has been conducted for more than 50 years, has led to the establishment of human exposure standards including safety factors that protect against all established health risks.”

    In a statement on Twitter, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport said: “We are aware of inaccurate information being shared online about 5G.

    “There is absolutely no credible evidence of a link between 5G and coronavirus.”
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    Chris, this may be the issue here.

    Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
    Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
    Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.
    I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

    It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

    But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.
    I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
    But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
    That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.
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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
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    Chris, this may be the issue here.

    Bill, why post a graph with half the data?
    Today is Apr 4, 2020. We have data up until today.
    Italy's deaths for example have been in steady decline for almost two weeks, having also imposed quarantine restrictions.
    I was merely showing the shape of an exponential graph, and the concept of how fast it takes off, taking everyone by surprise. That's all. The numbers didn't matter. I took the graph off the net.

    It was a response to greybeard/Chris's post that the UK numbers were low. That's only because they've not got really high yet.

    But because of exponential growth (and the steepness of the graph depends on how well it's been 'flattened' by NPIs/non-pharmaceutical interventions), it's inevitable that they will.
    I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
    But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
    That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.
    ~~~

    I just grabbed an image from the net that showed the shape of a simple exponential curve. I didn't even look at the numbers or the dates.

    Of course, if you want to post any kind of graph yourself, please do so!

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    There are similar problems in many other developing countries, so it's serious — and it'll get much worse before it gets better. I really fear for Africa and India, where there are disasters lying in wait to happen just a few weeks from now.
    Bill wouldn't you agree that what is taking place by the government of India is absolutely ludicrous?

    The country has a population of 1.3 billion.
    There have been 3588 Covid-19 cases so far and a whopping 99 deaths!

    Possibly a slight over-reaction on the part of the government?
    DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

    But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.

    Have you ever researched the living conditions of the population of India ? Obviously not.

    I have been to India many many times. Unlike western families, the beautiful Indian families look after each other until the end of their lives.
    Which means that one household will consist of great grandchildren, grandchildren, sons and daughters, mother's and father's, grandmother's and grandfather's all living together under one roof. With only one bedroom.

    Therefore, Social distancing is impossible. And that is just one household, multiply that by hundreds of thousands with an uncontrollable virus, you have a disaster waiting to happen

    Here is just one example a slum just outside Mumbai. Population 1 million. I am sure even you can see what a dangerous situation those good souls are in if the virus takes hold in just one slum. It would spread like wildfire, then quickly spread to all those living in comfortable skyscrapers next to them.
    Africa is in the same situation.

    Like I said. Informative scepticism is welcome. I say no more.
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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    I had a feeling that that was the point you were trying to make.
    But why not find an up-to-date graph (or make one) that shows the graph has peaked as is now in decline (for countries such as Italy and Spain, etc. etc.)?
    That would make two points; your first one, and also the much more important one, that deaths are in decline, and the U.S. will likely follow the others' trends.
    Hi DaveToo. Bill's a busy guy here, much of it behind the scenes that I never would have imagined before working with his team. He often goes to great time and lengths to be explicitly clear in his posts, more so than most (including me), so can we cut him a bit of slack for making his point in a bit of "shorthand" from time to time?

    His general point was made, isn't that the important thing?

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    I just grabbed an image from the net that showed the shape of a simple exponential curve. I didn't even look at the numbers or the dates.

    Of course, if you want to post any kind of graph yourself, please do so! [/QUOTE]

    OK, here's the Italy chart that I've been graphing on a daily basis.
    It seems that they may have peaked a couple of weeks ago.
    Of course that's subject to change.

    Red = cases
    Blue = deaths

    [IMG][/IMG]

    Data Source: European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
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    Quote DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

    But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.

    Have you ever researched the living conditions of the population of India ? Obviously not.

    I have been to India many many times. Unlike western families, the beautiful Indian families look after each other until the end of their lives.
    Which means that one household will consist of great grandchildren, grandchildren, sons and daughters, mother's and father's, grandmother's and grandfather's all living together under one roof. With only one bedroom.

    Therefore, Social distancing is impossible. And that is just one household, multiply that by hundreds of thousands with an uncontrollable virus, you have a disaster waiting to happen

    Here is just one example a slum just outside Mumbai. Population 1 million. I am sure even you can see what a dangerous situation those good souls are in if the virus takes hold in just one slum. It would spread like wildfire, then quickly spread to all those living in comfortable skyscrapers next to them.
    Africa is in the same situation.

    Like I said. Informative scepticism is welcome. I say no more.
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    I entirely agree with this assessment. I have been pondering the potential proliferation of this virus in India, as of recent! If this thing gets a foothold there—drawing upon Italy for example—the outcome, to put it mildly, would be utter devastation for the Indian people. I will be following carefully what is going on there, as I have an uncomfortable 'sense' of how things, might, play out there. USA, also is not looking promising. High population density centres is an obvious indication—though China is pulling a fast one, in my respectful opinion.

    Update 11th April 2020,

    India sees sharpest ever single-day spike in Covid-19 cases as nationwide total nears 7,500


    https://on.rt.com/aeno
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    DaveToo, I am sorry to say but the only absolutely ludicrous thing I see here is your comment. It is one thing being totally sceptical, which is fine, informative scepticism is always welcome.

    But to say that the Indian Government is overreacting with an early shut down to try and slow down the virus spreading fast and furious amongst the 1.3 billion population is absurd.
    A few days ago, Russia took a similar decision. Just saying.

    Quote Putin Tells Russian Security Council That Month-Long Quarantine Vital to Stem COVID-19

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian President Vladimir Putin told the members of the Security Council on Friday that the introduction of quarantine measures until May was necessary to contain the spread of coronavirus in the country.
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