Covid19: Cui Bono? What's the real agenda?

[pueblo]

Posted by graciousb (here)

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
You cannot argue the numbers. Masks slow the rate of infection, they do nothing to stop the number that will be infected. How many will be infected?...12%.

And of those 12% infected............a tiny fraction of one percent will die. Far less than those by the seasonal flu, by almost a full order of magnitude!

That's the facts. The rest is hysteria and sensationalism.

Not to be argumentative at all... whatever really is, IS. I prefer that it turns out as you suggest.

Where did that number 12% infected come from?

That number applied to the state of California, as of a few days ago. Close to the percentage a nurse I saw for a test shared with me re: testing an entire company of 400 people. Their rate of exposure was 12.5% (antibodies or active).

Re: Antibodies it is interesting to see the WHO pushing the narrative that antibodies don't imply immunity from reinfection (which may or may not be the case), however at this stage I am more likely to believe the truth to be the exact opposite of what the WHO says.

WHO: 'No Evidence' That COVID-19 Antibodies Protect From Potential Re-infection

(Bloomberg) — Catching COVID-19 once may not protect you from getting it again, according to the World Health Organization, a finding that could jeopardize efforts to allow people to return to work after recovering from the virus.

“There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” the United Nations agency said in an April 24 statement.

https://time.com/5827450/who-coronav...s-reinfection/

[Maia Gabrial]

So, with the possibility of having "mandatory" vaccinations in our futures, many of us should know that we can just REFUSE them.

I came across this website that should prove very interesting to everyone who hasn't seen it or even know about this stuff. For your own benefit, make yourselves familiar with this information. They cover a few other situations, too; like refusing smart meters, being harrassed by the utility company, how to get out a speeding ticket and even how to deal with census workers.... IF the need arrives, it'll be good to know how to handle the situation without difficulty....

I had planned to refuse the vaccination as soon as they started talking about them....

The website is called

https://www.freedomtaker.com/

[Bluegreen]

That will happen over my dead body

[greybeard]

Born free and every intention of dying free.
Some vaccines are without doubt beneficial -- however by the time they have one it will be out of date for this particular event -- assuming there really is a definable virus at the moment.
People should be free that is without emotional blackmail to not have or to have as they choose.
No repercussions of any kind for saying no or yes.
Chris

[DaveToo]

The time to 'bully' us into getting vaccines was just after the Covid-19 panic started a couple of months ago when the public was itching to roll up their sleeves and do almost anything their governments told them to do.

There's just a couple of problems.

First, they didn't have a vaccine then (and still don't).

Now given all that has taken place since then, what would be the point of getting a vaccine now?

Many government/medical estimates have half the population already infected by the virus.

We know that of those who have been tested positive for the virus, more than 90% show either no or only mild symptoms.
We also know that those who have been allegedly hit hardest by the 'virus', have been:
a) in hospitals with other medical complications
b) elderly

So just who would this 'mandated' virus be for exactly?

If half the population already has the virus, what good would a vaccine be for them?
If 90% of the other half of the population will do just fine thank you, without a vaccine,
why give a vaccine to them, just to cover less than 10% of them?

And now that we have the numbers to prove the virus is no more deadly than the seasonal flu, why make the Covid-19 vaccine mandatory and not the seasonal flu virus?

I'm sorry, but they are going to have a very hard time selling this one.
The cat's out of the bag.
We are much smarter now than we were a couple of months ago.

[onawah]

That is not been proven. From what I have been able to determine, it is not true at all, and there are plenty of reasons to arrive at the opposite view, that they are all without a doubt NOT beneficial.

Posted by greybeard (here)
Some vaccines are without doubt beneficial --

[onawah]

See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1353269

Posted by DaveToo (here)
The time to 'bully' us into getting vaccines was just after the Covid-19 panic started a couple of months ago when the public was itching to roll up their sleeves and do almost anything their governments told them to do.

There's just a couple of problems.

First, they didn't have a vaccine then (and still don't).

Now given all that has taken place since then, what would be the point of getting a vaccine now?

Many government/medical estimates have half the population already infected by the virus.

We know that of those who have been tested positive for the virus, more than 90% show either no or only mild symptoms.
We also know that those who have been allegedly hit hardest by the 'virus', have been:
a) in hospitals with other medical complications
b) elderly

So just who would this 'mandated' virus be for exactly?

If half the population already has the virus, what good would a vaccine be for them?
If 90% of the other half of the population will do just fine thank you, without a vaccine,
why give a vaccine to them, just to cover less than 10% of them?

And now that we have the numbers to prove the virus is no more deadly than the seasonal flu, why make the Covid-19 vaccine mandatory and not the seasonal flu virus?

I'm sorry, but they are going to have a very hard time selling this one.
The cat's out of the bag.
We are much smarter now than we were a couple of months ago.

[greybeard]

onawah not disagreeing as I have not done the research- I was thinking primarily of the Polio one--- has TB got one?

I dont have a spleen and that is a defence against !! but I am not going to be vaccinated,
A true funny story.
We took our son Graham to be vaccinated pre school many years ago.
He said "Ive had one I did not like it im not having one now"
The wisdom of youth. We did not insist.
Smiled at the Dr put on voice --"Now Graham this is for your benefit etc"
Graham now thirty has had perfect health his older brother who had the shots,s has asthma and various other illnesses have cropped up. Who took the right decision !!
Anyway people should be free to make up their own minds.
Chris

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
The time to 'bully' us into getting vaccines was just after the Covid-19 panic started a couple of months ago when the public was itching to roll up their sleeves and do almost anything their governments told them to do.

There's just a couple of problems.

First, they didn't have a vaccine then (and still don't).

Now given all that has taken place since then, what would be the point of getting a vaccine now?

Many government/medical estimates have half the population already infected by the virus.

We know that of those who have been tested positive for the virus, more than 90% show either no or only mild symptoms.
We also know that those who have been allegedly hit hardest by the 'virus', have been:
a) in hospitals with other medical complications
b) elderly

So just who would this 'mandated' virus be for exactly?

If half the population already has the virus, what good would a vaccine be for them?
If 90% of the other half of the population will do just fine thank you, without a vaccine,
why give a vaccine to them, just to cover less than 10% of them?

And now that we have the numbers to prove the virus is no more deadly than the seasonal flu, why make the Covid-19 vaccine mandatory and not the seasonal flu virus?

I'm sorry, but they are going to have a very hard time selling this one.
The cat's out of the bag.
We are much smarter now than we were a couple of months ago.

Add to that DaveToo:
Most of the stated deaths are due to manipulated findings and or corruption.
If you already have a bad health condition then get a cold/ Cough, then you will be tested positive somehow.

[pueblo]

....and now the ever reliable WHO walk back their fear mongering statement on antibodies not conferring immunity?

WHO clarifies 'immunity passport' advice

The World Health Organization (WHO) has sought to clarify the advice it published on Saturday about so-called “immunity passports”, which could be issued to people who have recovered from Covid-19 on the assumption that they would be immune to reinfection.

The WHO alarmed some in the scientific community when it said, in a briefing note published on Saturday, that “there is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from Covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection”.

Late last night, the Geneva-based body walked back its statement, saying: “We expect that most people who are infected with #COVID19 will develop an antibody response that will provide some level of protection.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rity-live-news

[silvanelf]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
From Science--What was Charles Lieber up to?

More recently, Lieber’s Harvard lab has shifted gears to integrate nanowires with biology. In 2017, for example, he reported creating soft, flexible 3D nanowire mesh that could be injected into the brains or retina of animals, unfurl and wrap around neurons, and eavesdrop on the electrical communication between cells.

Other research groups have adopted Lieber’s nanowire growth methods to fabricate nanomaterials useful in making batteries. But that’s never been the focus of Lieber’s research. Which begs the question of why his supposed collaboration in Wuhan was focused on a line of research outside of his specialt.

Doesn't appear to have much to do with the coronavirus. Plus, I don't think that nanotech is rna virus small yet.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ttery-research

Furthermore, the "Wuhan Institute of Virology" has nothing to do with the "Wuhan University of Technology (WUT)". The Wuhan University of Technology is conducting research "... in the areas of new materials and building materials, transportation and logistics, mechatronics and automobile, information technology, new energy, resources and environmental technology as well as Public Safety and Emergency Management." (source; http://english.whut.edu.cn/scientficr/)

In short, Lieber "forgot" to tell the DOJ (or the IRS) about various payments from the Wuhan University of Technology -- emphasis mine:

On January 28,2020, prosecutors charged Lieber with lying about participating in China’s Thousand Talents Plan, which aims to attract research specialists working overseas.

A press statement by the Department of Justice(DoJ) on this case is visible here .

According to the DOJ, “Unbeknownst to Harvard University beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China and was a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from in or about 2012 to 2017.”

In exchange for various payments (salaries and grants), Lieber provided services for the Thousand Talents Program for WUT. Lieber was accused of lying about his involvement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN21P292

[greybeard]

There is a big deal about Residential Home elderly deaths at the moment in Scotland -- the biggest %.
Yes BUT!!!
The elderly have not been referred to hospital for their "normal" ailments, and not easy to see a Dr.
Some with illness were discharged from hospital care.
Family not allowed to visit.
Normally retired entertainers would come in to uplift the residents -- not now.
No release from stress, permitted.
No wonder a relativly high death rate.
Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is an agenda here, and the virus is just the vehicle to its implementation.

As the world starts to realize that maybe this virus is not so lethal, the propaganda machine has cranked up its misinformation delivery.

Now the fact that one has antibodies to the virus suddenly does not necessarily confer immunity. Of course for any highly mutable virus the same is true.

Also, the fact that the medical establishment has never quarantined the healthy is a really telling feature of this disaster. And the fact that every possible healing modality is being shot down as fake news makes dealing effectively with the infected impossible. Almost like they want to wring every death they can out of this.

All I can do is restate the facts:
The Wuhan Virus is less lethal than the flu!
Its infection rate is a mere 10 - 15%.
The death rate is 1/10th that of the seasonal flu at .01%!

There is nothing to fear.

[Hermoor]

There's nothing big to see here. It's in the sense of adding a little more historical context. Baby Bush talking and Fauci has a front row seat funnily enough.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uSDC5L7qYUc

[Ernie Nemeth]

The way the vaccine will be sold is the same way they got us to do social distancing and wearing masks - through fear and the withholding of critical data.

Neither mask nor distance will stop this thing, it is a ruse.

No vaccine is safe. And the only one that is effective, the polio vaccine, was discovered by accident.

No, the mark of the beast is what this is all about. They want to surveil (why is this not a word to spellcheck?, I has to physically look it up in a book) us 24/7. The mark of the beast will remove the last of our freedom and make privacy a quaint idea long ago forfeit.

Just another happy step along the route of the Totalitarian Tiptoe.

[Tomkoyote]

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He started releasing the series on the 22nd. I watched the 4th episode yesterday.
If you want to know all about vaccines this is it. The research behind it is very thorough.

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[Cardillac]

oooh, God, there are soo many doctors out there who are aware that vaccines (because of all of their contents) are warning against vaccines but my GP is totally unaware of this (goes through life with blinders)- and he's totally convinced that the Corona statistics have not been manipulated-

I try to avoid all doctors except my dentist; she's of the same opinion that vaccines can be very detrimental because her husband got the vaccine for FMSE (a type of meningitis transferred through tick bites- ticks in my area of SW Germany near the Rhine are nothing to fool around with- add Lyme disease to that): he was violently ill for almost 4 months; and, no, he had no tick bite- nor Corona-

just wanted to share-

Larry/Germany

[greybeard]

Scientists Are Really Trying To Tell Us The Truth

David Icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-2WVy0v96dY

[shaberon]

Posted by silvanelf (here)

Furthermore, the "Wuhan Institute of Virology" has nothing to do with the "Wuhan University of Technology (WUT)". The Wuhan University of Technology is conducting research "... in the areas of new materials and building materials, transportation and logistics, mechatronics and automobile, information technology, new energy, resources and environmental technology as well as Public Safety and Emergency Management." (source; http://english.whut.edu.cn/scientficr/)

In short, Lieber "forgot" to tell the DOJ (or the IRS) about various payments from the Wuhan University of Technology -- emphasis mine:

Lieber is one case, but the closest related viral research took place between UNC's Ralph Baric and BSL-4 lab in Wuhan at the Wuhan Institute for Science and Technology. A 2015 Nature article mentions all the researchers and Wuhan Institute of Virology. I am not clear about the names of the Chinese schools, but the UNC research appears much more closely related than what was going on at Harvard.

The Chinese seem to believe only "some" of the first cases can be tied to Wuhan market, without going into where else it may have been found.

I cannot say this proves the virus emerged from the lab, but it is what they were doing.

[Terry777]

I've heard from friends that there are doctors that will falsify records so their children can still go to school, so there are doctors that know how dangerous vaccines really are.

My brother fainted after getting a Swine Flu shot back in the 1980s. There were a lot of people that were injured by that vaccine, and many that never recovered.

Being semiretired I really don't have to worry about such things, it's the people that work for large corporations and go to school that could be held hostage.