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    Default Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Dear Friends,

    This post is simply to start this new thread. Please see my detailed explanation here.

    As the title suggests, this thread is to discuss the possibility (or likelihood!) of an agenda or agendas behind the current Covid19 scenario. There are three other new threads to discuss other specific angles and aspects of the current situation.
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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    To start off the discussion, here's a near-copy of my post of 25 March on my personal Q&A thread.

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    Quote Posted by Parsi-X (here)
    Hi Bill, Long time fan of PA and PC.. Really appreciate what you and KC have done..really woke me out of the sheeple slumber and made me question the bubble we live in.
    What are your thoughts on the whole issue going on right now? Do you think that COVID is a cover for mass arrests of the Cabal?
    Thanks, and welcome!

    Well, it's a real virus, dangerous simply because of how fast and easily it can spread undetected. Despite a relatively low fatality rate (i.e. compared with SARS, MERS and other very lethal viruses), but much higher than seasonal flu, it can devastate healthcare systems, as we've already seen in some countries.

    That's simply because those who are hospitalized (maybe 20% of reported cases) often need 2-3 weeks of intensive care, whether they recover or not.

    That alone can collapse any system, especially with shortages of beds and specialized equipment (let alone simple things like masks and gloves). And once healthcare workers themselves become infected then the problems are compounded much further.

    As I've posted on the main coronavirus thread, even if the fatality rate was zero, and no-one died at all, hospitals would still collapse under the load of keeping people alive.

    That's one thing that many people don't fully understand — the other being that the numbers right now are relatively tiny. (That's to say, 'tiny' compared with how large they're headed to become.) It's the exponential rate in which it's all growing that's the issue.

    The problems are only just starting now. It'll become a true crisis in a few weeks.

    Given the societal factors in play, the US is only marginally better off than Africa and South America. I'm extremely concerned we'll see some very very bad things happen there. This has only just started.

    And I'm not a Trump-hater by any means, but with all this he's is alarmingly out of touch with reality. Thus far, he's been a very poor leader indeed.

    Other points: Yes, it's a bioweapon. I'm certain. I don't feel I know for sure how or why it was released, but I suspect a US-based agency, highly compartmentalized. Many in the standard intel agencies might not even be aware at all, though I suspect that the word is spreading behind the scenes.

    Increasingly, the chaos and incompetence in the US in particular looks covertly engineered. And so many people in the US are deeply unhealthy already (age isn't the prime factor: it's health that counts), tens of millions will become affected by this in one way or another.

    Very few people in the US in any leadership or management position have any idea what's in store. The lack of awareness and understanding is hard to believe in some places. (And in some European countries, it's similar.)

    While all this is happening, there's a real danger that many freedoms may be taken away from us. That's the cui bono? question, of course. I think someone designed all this, and it's been very carefully wargamed out already, like a slow-motion 9/11.

    'Mass arrests' are a fantasy. (Like Nesara! It's always going to happen 'next week'.) And Qanon can be disregarded. It seems self-evident that there's no 'plan' to trust. If there ever was one, there's no plan now!

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Bill I have a question.

    Do you think this whole Covid-19 thing is related to what you were talking about in the videos of the anglo-saxon mission where there was a point where it was said that "China would catch a cold"?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    My reasons for feeling sure this is a bioweapon. Three of the points I've mentioned before, but not #4.

    1) The Anglo-Saxon Mission. Some things don't fit, but other parts do.


    2) More significant, I feel, is the "Lock Step" section on page 18 of this 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document. This details an astonishingly near-identical virus-release scenario to what's happening now.

    3)
    The conversation Elainie had with her ex-CIA friend, who was "shaken up" and intending to head for the hills if she could, before Sept/October. She (Elaine's friend) said it was 100% a bioweapon. I know Elainie, and whatever she reports can be totally relied on.


    4) Here's what I've not previously reported: a recent (21 March) video from Dr Steven Greer. He focuses largely on collective meditation to handle the serious problem.

    But from about 21:50, he says he consulted with a contact of his in military biowarfare about the virus, and was told that "there are two, possibly three, strains circulating".

    About 10 mins later, he's asked a question about origins of the virus. He's extremely cagey, saying that if he revealed everything he knew about this he'd be "banned from YouTube".

    He's very clearly implying he knows, or has been told, that it's a bioweapon.

    At 55:00 he again says he'll "not speak about the origins of the virus on this platform".

    At 1:04:30, he says (very carefully!): "Whether this is a crisis that's completely natural, or partially natural and partially augmented, doesn't matter."
    (His stance is that we just have to make the best of "the hand of cards we've been dealt".)


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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Quote Posted by Molope (here)
    Bill I have a question.

    Do you think this whole Covid-19 thing is related to what you were talking about in the videos of the anglo-saxon mission where there was a point where it was said that "China would catch a cold"?
    Yes, I do suspect that. It's not an exact fit at all, but we all know that these plans and strategies often change and are amended over time.

    But having said that, I know about as much else (about whether there's a connection or not!) as you do.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Thank you for your post,

    How do you know this to be true?
    Very few people in the US in any leadership or management position have any idea what's in store

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    Quote Posted by lunaflare (here)
    Thank you for your post,

    How do you know this to be true?
    Very few people in the US in any leadership or management position have any idea what's in store
    Ha. I don't have a crystal ball or a time machine!

    But (in my opinion) they sure seem to be acting that way, or definitely were when I first made the post on 25 March.

    In my strong opinion, the response in the US has been shambolic, uncoordinated, chaotic, inconsistent, and very very late.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    If there wasn't an agenda before the outbreak started...there is now.

    With that out of the way I wanted to say that I haven't posted here in several years, primarily because I became frustrated with the (seemingly) large number of members who would lash out at not just myself, but at anyone who tried to bring critical thinking skills to bear on almost any topic. I am wading back in now because I felt the urge to see what the community was discussing and was alarmed to see topics discussing variously: Don't trust the numbers, don't trust motives, 5G makes it worse, it's not really serious, and a host of other things that could frankly get some of you killed.

    I don't trust the numbers either, but not simply because of the source (Here's looking at you China) but because of the way they are presented. I decided to look at the numbers in a different way and thought I would share in the event that this helps keep somebody safe. Almost every statistic you will see in some way derives ultimately from the numbers of people tested as a denominator and the number of hospitalizations or deaths as a numerator. This can be wildly misleading for a whole number of interrelated reasons that have been beat to death (pun intended) all over the media, both Alt and MSM.

    So how to think about this in another way? Firstly, I believe the numbers for the dead are reasonably accurate, we can quibble over whether or not an underlying condition was the ultimate cause or not, but the reality is that someone with asthma, diabetes, cancer, or some other morbidity wasn't statistically much more likely to die yesterday than in any other day this year. Numbers do rise in the winter and drop off in the summer...marginally.

    Secondly, the panic evident in the vast numbers of public officials that are dealing with this who could not possibility be part of the "plan" or what have you tells me that they genuinely believe this to be serious. I've got friends working in ER's. They sure as heck are taking it seriously. So with that out of the way, some numbers:

    On any given day in the US about 7,700 people die of all of the usual things (cancer, heart disease, violence, accidents, etc.)
    There are about 327 million Americans today
    There are 8.62 million people living in NYC
    This is about 2.6% of the US population
    This makes the normal number of deaths in NYC about 203 on any given day
    On March 31st, there were 180 deaths in NYC from Covid.

    Let's draw some conclusions. On the bare surface of it Covid almost doubled the daily death rate. That's bad, but wait, some of those folks would have died anyway (see above about underlying conditions). And then there are still people who would have died from other causes anyway. Let's assume that there were fewer traffic and industrial accidents. My point is that there is so much chaos right now that it's going to be years before historians come to some sort of consensus about all of this and what the real numbers are, but the takeaway is that THERE IS A STATISTICALLY HUGE bump in the death rate and it's most likely not even peaked yet. A 2X increase in daily deaths is likely to persist for at least a month in even the most favorable scenarios.

    In the meantime we have to get from here to the future. Which brings me to the question at hand: Who Benefits?

    Lots of people are going to suffer, and those living in cramped 3rd world shantytowns are going to suffer the worst. Many of these people are going to rise up, some will even be successful in forcing change, but most will simply be screaming in the wind as the usual kleptocrats and strongmen profit from the misery of their fellow countrymen. From a global perspective, this is mostly noise (horrible, horrific noise) in the grand scheme of things with the exception of a few supply chains for rare and valuable resources found only in certain locales.

    In the developed world, one of the primary casualties will be what little faith in government people still held on to before this. What makes government's dangerous? Fear of their own populace, that's what. What do scared people and scared government do? They overreact. That right there is the crux of the problem.

    So who is the bad guy here? Mostly it's just people and institutions doing what they think is best for themselves. However, there are opportunists, and they will prey on fear. What kind of opportunists you ask? I have no interest in going down the list but I'll leave you with a train of thought that may help you to focus.

    Remember the underwear bomber? I was travelling a bunch for work then and I can tell you with certainty that full body scanners started replacing simple metal detectors within DAYS of that happening.

    Those scanners were already sitting in warehouses, built, tested, and ready to ship. Just waiting for an excuse.

    So who benefits? The types of folks who built and sold those things and the politicians who were too afraid to roll them out until they had an excuse. They didn't focus on the underlying problem, they just wanted to make some (a lot of) bucks.

    We can't do anything about some real or perceived group of sinister beings operating from the shadows of some doomsday bunker, but we can all shine bright lights on those who would ask us to give up freedoms in the name of security. We've been living that story for a long time already.

    I hope to be able to benefit from this myself. I'm not sure what that will look like, or even if it involves making a single red cent. What I hope to do is help create a better community around me. Maybe you can benefit too.


    Stay safe out there, and focus your intentions and actions where you can make a positive impact, most especially on the people around you...errrr... 6 feet away from you.
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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    There must be an agenda.

    If it is a bio weapon, which seems like the consensus, why has it taken so long to move from China to everywhere else?

    Perhaps something was released in China. Then in Europe.

    Some of the spread makes sense when you apply the 5g element to it. Some does not. But 5g is certainly an agenda.

    With all of the travelling in and out of China, the west coast of North America should have been infected heavily with the virus in February by my understanding.

    Am I missing something? Probably a lot.

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    Quote Posted by Patient (here)
    There must be an agenda.

    If it is a bio weapon, which seems like the consensus, why has it taken so long to move from China to everywhere else?

    Perhaps something was released in China. Then in Europe.

    Some of the spread makes sense when you apply the 5g element to it. Some does not. But 5g is certainly an agenda.

    With all of the travelling in and out of China, the west coast of North America should have been infected heavily with the virus in February by my understanding.

    Am I missing something? Probably a lot.
    Well, it might not have been released in China, or only in China.

    This was published a couple of days ago in Ecuador: (this is a translation)

    From https://cuencahighlife.com/stay-off-...r-the-homeless

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    The Universidad de San Francisco de Quito has sequenced a strain of COVID-19 which was taken from a Dutch tourist, the first patient in Quito. Researchers can learn about the aggressiveness of this strain which is circulating in Ecuador, is older than, and with fewer mutations than the original in China. It is also different from the strains in Italy and Spain. The strain has been named “hCoV19/Ecuador/HEE_01/2020.”

    Do read that carefully! It means at least one strain of the coronavirus in Ecuador (and/or the Netherlands/Europe) never originally came from China. The importance of this is hard to overstate.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My reasons for feeling sure this is a bioweapon. Three of the points I've mentioned before, but not #4.

    1) The Anglo-Saxon Mission. Some things don't fit, but other parts do.


    2) More significant, I feel, is the "Lock Step" section on page 18 of this 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document. This details an astonishingly near-identical virus-release scenario to what's happening now.

    3)
    The conversation Elainie had with her ex-CIA friend, who was "shaken up" and intending to head for the hills if she could, before Sept/October. She (Elaine's friend) said it was 100% a bioweapon. I know Elainie, and whatever she reports can be totally relied on.


    4) Here's what I've not previously reported: a recent (21 March) video from Dr Steven Greer. He focuses largely on collective meditation to handle the serious problem.

    But from about 21:50, he says he consulted with a contact of his in military biowarfare about the virus, and was told that "there are two, possibly three, strains circulating".

    About 10 mins later, he's asked a question about origins of the virus. He's extremely cagey, saying that if he revealed everything he knew about this he'd be "banned from YouTube".

    He's very clearly implying he knows, or has been told, that it's a bioweapon.

    At 55:00 he again says he'll "not speak about the origins of the virus on this platform".

    At 1:04:30, he says (very carefully!): "Whether this is a crisis that's completely natural, or partially natural and partially augmented, doesn't matter."
    (His stance is that we just have to make the best of "the hand of cards we've been dealt".)



    I want to add my friend is still with a three letter agency, I am just not sure which one (nor can she ever tell me until she no longer works for them) she has already been CIA and FBI, so is it NSA? DoD? I do not know. I do know she works counter terrorism.
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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Very little makes sense to me but for sure the fear and anxiety are being used and harvested. I'm currently in an area hardly affected at all yet people lately are oozing fear and distress if they are out. I'm in area where people tend to be super healthy and fit, and younger. In the desert where I spend time also, the opposite. Highly elderly MSM consuming population. My guidance told me a couple years ago that something was coming whose main purpose was to instill fear, and whatever it was or looked like, to remain fearless. In the state of mind many people are in, the existence or virulence of lack of, of the virus is almost a moot point. People are primed for all kinds of illness and immune failures being very long in this condition.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    My guess would be DOD, Elainie.
    Mine too but I don't dare ask!

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    There's something that i've been thinking about posting for the last few weeks, but haven't felt able to until now. This thread seems appropriate.


    I had what would be considered by some a download (i've had a few now), where I was told, quite clearly, that there is a battle raging in the universe, between good and evil, and that it's centred here on Earth. And that the outcome of this battle will affect all of reality throughout the entirety of the universe(s).


    Make of that what you will.


    I guess, in relation to this thread title, that can be seen as an agenda of sorts.. Espescially depending on who, on this planet, ascribes to that, and what powers they may have in terms of acting upon it, both dark and light.


    I really feel that there is a much higher 'game' at play here, that goes far beyond this dense physical world, and we each and every one of us has an integral part to play.


    I'm also thinking about Bill's advice in the Anglo-American thread, about remembering who we are, and why each one of us came here (paraphrasing slightly).


    This is of utmost importance at this moment, in my humble opinion.


    I've really tuned in to, in these past weeks, the inner knowledge that I chose to come here for THIS fight. The just fight.



    And i've been ruefully laughing at myself for that
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    Quote Posted by Ben Macdonald (here)
    There's something that i've been thinking about posting for the last few weeks, but haven't felt able to until now. This thread seems appropriate.


    I had what would be considered by some a download (i've had a few now), where I was told, quite clearly, that there is a battle raging in the universe, between good and evil, and that it's centred here on Earth. And that the outcome of this battle will affect all of reality throughout the entirety of the universe(s).


    Make of that what you will.


    I guess, in relation to this thread title, that can be seen as an agenda of sorts.. Espescially depending on who, on this planet, ascribes to that, and what powers they may have in terms of acting upon it, both dark and light.


    I really feel that there is a much higher 'game' at play here, that goes far beyond this dense physical world, and we each and every one of us has an integral part to play.
    I also had a very strange experience in January. It did not involve me hearing any info, but it felt very purposeful. Along with many other strange things that have happened to me throughout my life, I would really like to know what is really going on around us.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

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    Quote Posted by Patient (here)
    There must be an agenda.

    If it is a bio weapon, which seems like the consensus, why has it taken so long to move from China to everywhere else?

    Perhaps something was released in China. Then in Europe.

    Some of the spread makes sense when you apply the 5g element to it. Some does not. But 5g is certainly an agenda.

    With all of the travelling in and out of China, the west coast of North America should have been infected heavily with the virus in February by my understanding.

    Am I missing something? Probably a lot.
    Well, it might not have been released in China, or only in China.

    This was published a couple of days ago in Ecuador: (this is a translation)

    From https://cuencahighlife.com/stay-off-...r-the-homeless

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    The Universidad de San Francisco de Quito has sequenced a strain of COVID-19 which was taken from a Dutch tourist, the first patient in Quito. Researchers can learn about the aggressiveness of this strain which is circulating in Ecuador, is older than, and with fewer mutations than the original in China. It is also different from the strains in Italy and Spain. The strain has been named “hCoV19/Ecuador/HEE_01/2020.”

    Do read that carefully! It means at least one strain of the coronavirus in Ecuador (and/or the Netherlands/Europe) never originally came from China. The importance of this is hard to overstate.
    It does seem that different strains have been released in different places. Probably more to come. Because even if you consider the original strain mutating, that just doesn't make the pace of this virus make sense.

    I guess the worker bees are going to get very busy very soon.

    As for the title of this thread, it does seem that there is an agenda - it is just that although I can connect the dots and see it, I just don't want to.

    The question becomes; What to do about it?
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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Some of the possible (or probable!) agendas are fairly obvious.
    • Vaccinations
    • Personal monitoring of movement
    • Controlled demolition of the global economy into a second Great Depression (poor people are easier to control)
    • (possibly) Some kind of ID chipping (or a step in that direction)
    • (possibly) A step in the direction of removing cash, by making cash feel 'dangerous' or 'uncool'
    • (possibly) Global food shortages, which if severe result in famine, further deaths and measurable population reduction. (However, that's longer-term.)
    But I'm increasingly concerned that there may [also] be an agenda to destroy small businesses.

    In the US, it sure looks like that. It's becoming rapidly clear that the small business loans are really hard to get — which is either even more naive, administrative incompetence, or part of a co-ordinated Machiavellian plan to take out Middle America.

    As a standalone item, this hasn't been mentioned all that much. But it will be in the days and weeks to come, and quickly, too. Watch the political storm in the US heat up, fast. There are going to be some open shouting matches on prime time news TV.

    All this is because paradoxically and nonsensically, if you don't already have a loan with a bank, you're ineligible. Go figure. It almost makes zero sense whatsoever unless there was a deliberate sabotage effort to make it near-impossible.

    The more I stare at this slow-motion catastrophe, the more I see very bad times ahead indeed. The gathering clouds really are becoming very dark.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Cui Bono? Is there an agenda?

    Have to mention this excellent talk by Gigi Young on the virus and the opportunity for martial law and forced vaccinations.


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