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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Quote Posted by Goba (here)
    Quote Of course, letting the thing burn freely (like an uncontained forest fire) would also work. Ir's just a particularly brutal way of dealing with those who get sick: Many would simply receive no care at all. Many weaker people would just die unassisted.
    The guy has an "Adams Family" touch - so yes, from the outside he is not extremely likeable BUT what he says is mostly sound.

    what you forget and what is rarely if ever discussed is: how many death by suicide/depression and general suffering will this shutdown cause in the end.

    he is a very practical guy and I think his approach is the only one working in the grand scheme of things. If Chloroquine was distributed to everyone freely this "pandemic" would likely result in VERY FEW deaths, way fewer than the flu.

    There are different kinds of compassion, one based is new-age feel good and one based in wisdom. I suspect his compassion is the latter. I also guess he would have chosen a different occupation being without any compassion, e.g. join the heroic military LOL.
    Again someone who is using new age as some sort of bad thing. New age is a whole wide variety of knowledge. There are alot of mystery schools included in New Age from which Rudolph Steiners teachings is one. To discard all of New Age as some sort of bad thing seems very weird to me.

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    Quote Posted by Billy, on behalf of Hervé (here)
    Right now, go to www.thenhf.com/Rally Congress to direct your public servants to obey the Constitution and to sign the Pledge against mandatory chipping and vaccinations.
    Link not working -- getting error 404
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    From Bill: fixed the broken link. It's
    https://national-health-federation.r...s-deadly-final
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    NO MANDATORY CHIPPING AND NO MANDATORY VACCINES!

    As bad as the COVID-19 disease is, we all should be more frightened by the political response to COVID-19 than the virus itself. As Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics stated so well, “This is an intentional economic destruction that is being carried out for an undisclosed purpose.” Or, perhaps they know something about the virus that they are not telling us?

    In the meantime, we all need to strongly oppose the current lockdown and destruction of our livelihoods and our lives. We need to actually laugh at the political and medical buffoons who have over-reacted and, by over-reacting, destroyed millions of lives and livelihood.

    The facts show that the virus will, at most, kill fewer of us than those diseases we have seen around us for our entire lives; but if the political plans that are being put in place on the back of this fictitious coronavirus “crisis” are allowed to continue to completion, then all of us will suffer from a far less healthy and more restrictive future.

    There is one thing that you can count upon: Just as COVID-19 was preceded by the Zika, Ebola, Swine flu, Bird flu, and other “End of the World” viruses, COVID-19 will itself be followed by yet another, as-yet-unnamed virus. Indeed, are we surprised to hear already, while still well in the trenches of the current lockdown, about the inevitable next pandemic? In an opinion written by two deans at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and published by the establishment magazine Fortune, these two spokeswomen for the Elite state that the global outbreak of COVID-19 is in no way an anomaly and that it is only a matter of time before the next pandemic strikes. Of course.

    This next virus will be proclaimed to be even deadlier than COVID-19; and tyrannical measures put in place, all in the name of “public safety,” will exponentially exceed the measures put in place now. No doubt a mandatory vaccination will be demanded of all citizens and residents, plus mandatory chipping of people so as to serve as proof of having been vaccinated. These are Bill Gates’ plans for our future.

    So, how we, as freedom-loving people, respond to the current power grab will dictate how many of our freedoms will be left for us and our children in the near future. We all must loudly and persistently say “No.”

    Tell the politicians and our public servants right now to “Don’t Even Think About It!” No mandatory chipping and no mandatory vaccines. Write them today and Make them sign the Pledge!

    Also, to access and print out the Pledge and the "Don't Even Think About It!" flyer, click here and here.

    SEEMS It only possible to us USA postcode.
    UK and other Countries could do with similar
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Quote Posted by mypos (here)
    On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.
    Either you or Dr. Thomas Cowan in his interview are confusing an (alleged) quote from Steiner ("a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell") with another quote from Arthur Firstenberg -- emphasis mine:

    Quote we fast forward to 1918 when the United States entered World War One, and Marconi had sold the world that you could make use of radio waves, and demonstrated one of the first transmissions of 20 years before but when the United States entered World War One, we made intensive use of radio technology for the first time as part of our war effort. And after World War One is when the development of commercial radio began. I make the case in the book that the Spanish influenza epidemic was caused by the sudden change in the Earth’s electromagnetic environment by the worldwide use of radios.
    https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenber...one-radiation/

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    Dr. Vuong explains the death rate of covid-19. He slays the myth that the fatality rate is the same as flu. BTW, we don't have more immediate deaths because most countries are acting to flatten the curve. In other words, lockdowns and masks may not alter the death rate but it will spread hospitalizations and fatalities over a longer timeline so hospitals can keep up.
    It is beyond nerve wracking that Bill Ryan has to explain this over and over and over.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJzPZCEW4I

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    There are significant numbers of people who have died but whose death hasn’t been attributed to the coronavirus because they died at home or in a nursing home and so they weren’t swabbed,” said Giorgio Gori, mayor of the town of Bergamo.

    Gori said there had been 164 deaths in his town in the first two weeks of March this year, of which 31 were attributed to the coronavirus. That compares with 56 deaths over the same period last year.

    Even adding the 31 coronavirus deaths to that total would leave 77 additional deaths, an increase that suggests the virus may have caused significantly more deaths than officially recorded.

    Emilio Tanzi, director of Cremona Solidale, a 460-bed residence in the northern town of Cremona, said nursing homes were on the front lines of a crisis that predominantly affected the elderly, who nevertheless have not had adequate support.

    He said there had been a significant and “anomalous” increase in deaths since about March 2, when the spread of the epidemic began to gather pace in Italy.

    But there was no way of knowing for sure whether they were due to COVID-19, the disease associated with the coronavirus, he added.

    Tanzi declined to give full numbers, but said on just one day last week there had been 18 deaths at his facility of patients with respiratory difficulties - symptoms associated with the coronavirus.

    “We don’t know if there have been coronavirus deaths because the swabs haven’t been done,” he said. “We’ve certainly seen high fevers and breathing difficulties.”

    “If we’d been in a position to know, we could have isolated these patients properly and avoided the epidemic.”
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    Sorry to have to break the news to you folks but...

    The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
    Along with the reports of Italy's Covid-19 deaths and Spain's, and France's and Germany's and UK's etc...

    The number of cases and deaths are embarrassingly low.
    Actually they are pathetically low!

    Right smack dab in the middle of the numbers we get for the yearly seasonal flu. No more, no less.

    Are you trying to tell me that this deadly, killer virus that was supposed to take out much of the world's population is no more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you.

    Check out the Covid-19 charts for these bellwether countries. (click on image to enlarge)
    How are your analytical skills?
    Do you see a pattern? Do you see a trend?

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    Do you see astronomical numbers?

    Do you see numbers that would justify the take-down of the world's economies?

    Do you see numbers that would justify the MSM plastering wall-to-wall 24/7 Covid-19 news coverage on their media?

    Do you see numbers that would justify the fear-mongering that has been going on the past couple of months?

    Do you see numbers that would justify the Draconian measures that have been used to take away the rights of half the world's population?

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Thanks to Herve and Billy.
    I have highlighted part -- accepting that this article was written some time ago
    Chris
    Mortality Rate?

    In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.
    Truth is we dont know what the current death rate is. nor what the rate will be when a full check can be done perhaps a year from now.
    Its in the interest of the PTB to inflate the figures to generate fear - so I would be inclined to believe it is less than currently hyped up to be --also some of the projections are so high -- it just looks like another reason to take away our liberty.
    I would remind people that millions died during the wars to enable freedom to be taken almost for granted.
    Now what have we got -- emotional blackmail and fear projections --facts --I dont think so.

    I would like to believe the death rateis no higher than seasonal flu -- however its not over by a long stretch.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Thanks to Herve and Billy.
    I have highlighted part -- accepting that this article was written some time ago
    Chris
    Mortality Rate?

    In February 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) – never known for its accuracy or consistency – declared a “Pandemic” for the coronavirus and claimed that the mortality rate for the novel coronavirus disease now designated as COVID-19 was 3.4%, while that for the seasonal flu was 0.1%. Of course, the news media ran with those numbers and splashed scary headlines across the World stating how much more deadly this new virus was than the seasonal flu. The problem with WHO’s statement, however, was that they applied two different formulas for the two viruses. For the COVID-19 disease, for example, they simply didn’t count any of the mild cases of COVID-19 that resolved themselves; yet, they did with the seasonal flu. If WHO were to apply the same formula to seasonal flu cases as it did with COVID-19 cases, then the seasonal flu is revealed more truthfully as being twice as deadly as the COVID-19 virus.
    Truth is we dont know what the current death rate is. nor what the rate will be when a full check can be done perhaps a year from now.
    Its in the interest of the PTB to inflate the figures to generate fear - so I would be inclined to believe it is less than currently hyped up to be --also some of the projections are so high -- it just looks like another reason to take away our liberty.
    I would remind people that millions died during the wars to enable freedom to be taken almost for granted.
    Now what have we got -- emotional blackmail and fear projections --facts --I dont think so.

    I would like to believe the death rateis no higher than seasonal flu -- however its not over by a long stretch.
    The seasonal flu has already killed upwards of 130,000 people world wide while COVID19 is hovering at 87,000 plus. The democrats have to push this to the election time to get the rule changes to the voting so they can more easily cheat! Therefore they will continue to lie about the death rate and about actual cases by simply saying all deaths are COVID19. With the control they have of the media they expect this to be a cake walk.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/...80994821509121


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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Sorry to have to break the news to you folks but...

    The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
    Along with the reports of Italy's Covid-19 deaths and Spain's, and France's and Germany's and UK's etc...

    The number of cases and deaths are embarrassingly low.
    Actually they are pathetically low!

    Right smack dab in the middle of the numbers we get for the yearly seasonal flu. No more, no less.

    Are you trying to tell me that this deadly, killer virus that was supposed to take out much of the world's population is no more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you.

    Check out the Covid-19 charts for these bellweather countries. (click on image to enlarge)
    How are your analytical skills?
    Do you see a pattern? Do you see a trend?

    [IMG]http://[/IMG]
    [IMG]http://[/IMG]
    [IMG][/IMG]
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    Bill I don't see why you found it justifiable to move the above post that I had made to the Covid-19 News section, to this section?
    I have posted News.

    It may not be the kind of News that you like to see or hear, but it is still news.

    I have done a lot of work today to create all of the above charts, which are based on NEW numbers that have just come out from the Data from European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC). So , yes this IS NEWS!

    Most of the public and members here are not given the opportunity to see charts such as the ones I posted above.
    The MSM certainly does not publish them.

    I am not making up these numbers. These are new, fresh data coming from the following countries:
    • Italy
    • Spain
    • Germany
    • Iran
    • Norway
    • Pakistan
    • Ecuador

    They warrant to be posted in the Covid-19 News section, not here.

    Mod note from Bill:
    No, this isn't "Global Reports, News and Updates". If it was, everything would be "Global Reports, News and Updates".

    That's how come the original main news thread got into such a disorganized mess. As "librarians", we have to keep these discussions separated out, or else no-one will ever be able to find anything they're interested in. That's our prime purpose here in having different threads. Exactly like having different library shelves, or different folders on your computer.

    It's possible it might better be in the Cui Bono? thread, and if so I can move it there — or you're welcome to copy it there yourself.
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    "Mod note from Bill: No, this isn't "Global Reports, News and Updates". If it was, everything would be "Global Reports, News and Updates".

    That's how come the original main news thread got into such a disorganized mess. As "librarians", we have to keep these discussions separated out, or else no-one will ever be able to find anything they're interested in. That's our prime purpose here in having different threads. Exactly like having different library shelves, or different folders on your computer.

    It's possible it might better be in the Cui Bono? thread, and if so I can move it there — or you're welcome to copy it there yourself."

    Well I disagree.

    I did not post an opinion piece. I did not post who benefits from this.
    I did not say Don't Trust the Statistics, and so it should not be posted in the "Don't Trust the Statistics" section.

    The nuts and bolts of my post consists of 7 graphs.
    They contain fresh data that was just released.

    I am using the statistics that the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has published.

    In this case, I am actually saying YES, trust this data, trust these statistics!

    Because the data paints a completely different picture than what the MSM is currently saying.

    This is the reason I made my post in the News section. Because it is news.

    I do feel that this data SHOULD BE TRUSTED.
    Why would I post this in the Don't Trust the Statistics section?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/...80994821509121

    Yesterday I was wearing a mask. Today, no longer. I don't believe in the fiat science that creates bureaucratic "truths" like global warming, HIV causes AIDS or Covid-19. Dr. Fauci is an old hand at this. People may or may not have died in Wuhan, but it wasn't a flu that killed them. There is a nasty flu going around, but it's just the seasonal flu. Since before Covid supposedly hit North America, I've been successfully fighting a flu. I'll get a symptom, take oregano oil, and it's gone for a week or two, until the next time, over and over. If I didn't take oregano oil and came down with the flu, they would say I had covid-19. Whenever anyone dies, it is said they died of covid-19. I'm done with the mainstream media coverage of covid. I'm more interested in what they're doing while the population is in fear and under house arrest. But I'm not likely to ever find that out from mainstream sources. Maybe on Avalon...

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    Local Charlotte's Webb fame CBD oil dies, tested negative for COVID yet they are labeling her death as COVID.

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...184800396.html

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/...80994821509121

    Yesterday I was wearing a mask. Today, no longer. I don't believe in the fiat science that creates bureaucratic "truths" like global warming, HIV causes AIDS or Covid-19. Dr. Fauci is an old hand at this. People may or may not have died in Wuhan, but it wasn't a flu that killed them. There is a nasty flu going around, but it's just the seasonal flu. Since before Covid supposedly hit North America, I've been successfully fighting a flu. I'll get a symptom, take oregano oil, and it's gone for a week or two, until the next time, over and over. If I didn't take oregano oil and came down with the flu, they would say I had covid-19. Whenever anyone dies, it is said they died of covid-19. I'm done with the mainstream media coverage of covid. I'm more interested in what they're doing while the population is in fear and under house arrest. But I'm not likely to ever find that out from mainstream sources. Maybe on Avalon...

    There is something for sure weird going on, see my new post on this thread. Death counts and causes are being skewed, many people are not trusting the media or COVID data.

    Edited to add, just yesterday we heard from a friend that had gone to Italy and Israel in November, got it and was quarantined, he is overweight and pulled through luckily, a functional wellness MD here has been testing people for antobodies (we go on Tuesday) and people who were sick here in Colorado in November are testing positive for antibodies, the office explained this is not a made in China test and very accurate, I believe there is a COVID but there are many agenda's playing out at once and COVID has been circulating in the USA for longer than we have been told.
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    Quote Posted by Elainie (here)
    I believe there is a COVID but there are many agenda's playing out at once and COVID has been circulating in the USA for longer than we have been told.
    If so, then I had it last winter, Jan of 2019. It went to severe bronchitis and almost went to pneumonia --- took months to be completely rid of it.

    A tip for anyone trying to sleep when their lungs are wheezing -- ear buds and a rain storm mp3.

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    I’m beginning to see a strong correlation between those who took a long time feeling mild symptoms for roughly like 1-2 weeks, then heading to a clinic or hospital, taking the test, and then collapsing into complete ICU status after taking the test. I also read of contaminated test kits preloaded with the virus on them. Do you see the correlation here? Might be better to avoid the swab test, especially if the kit originated from China - because you know, there’s a cold war going on....

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    I’m beginning to see a strong correlation between those who took a long time feeling mild symptoms for roughly like 1-2 weeks, then heading to a clinic or hospital, taking the test, and then collapsing into complete ICU status after taking the test. I also read of contaminated test kits preloaded with the virus on them. Do you see the correlation here? Might be better to avoid the swab test, especially if the kit originated from China - because you know, there’s a cold war going on....
    GOOD THINKING!! Both your conjectures absolutely make sense. Of course there's more to the (already proven not possibly yet valid) test than what it's being sold as for, I only got as far as suspecting it being a DNA gathering ruse.

    Much appreciation for contributing that.



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    Scottish test numbers: 9 April 2020

    A total of 27,518 people in Scotland have been tested. Of these:

    22,561 tests were confirmed negative
    4,957 tests were positive
    447 patients who tested positive have died

    Now that does not give much value to the idea that this virus is highly contagious.
    Of course the Government will claim that social distancing is working -- well if you are being tested there cant be social distance between you and the tester who has tested many -- some of who will have the virus.
    Testing would seem a way of spreading the virus through close contact -- no matter how well the tester is kept safe
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    Dr. Fauci has done what he did with HIV=AIDS. He has taken correlation=causation to its highest level. It's the same as they did with humans=global warming. Correlation=causation: done with media in lockstep, testimony from govt-funded "experts." They say covid will be a permanent thing. The body always responds the same way to all corona virus infections, so nobody can say otherwise. So they've hijacked the seasonal flu. Any time someone dies, they say it was covid. Martial law, whenever they feel like it. And the DO feel like it!

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    Watching the Canadian news this morning - the health organization is talking as if this will continue through to the summer of 2021. They said that Canada is only at the early stage still - horse crap.

    It appears that they are grouping all flu/cold viruses into the covid-19 lump.

    ...and social distancing is now 2 metres?

    I am a very patient person, but the bull**** is getting on my nerves. More stores closing and reading that tech and hardware are being moved into the non-essential items?

    Seeing more restrictions being imposed every time I have gone to the grocery store - I expect that it won't be long before you are escorted through the store and your time in there is strictly limited.

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