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    yup numbers are being fudged
    While Iím seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think thereís a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

    Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

    Isnít it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? Iím pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.

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    yup numbers are being fudged
    While Iím seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think thereís a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

    Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

    Isnít it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? Iím pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.
    I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end ó at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

    Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer ó who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) ó would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

    Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

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    yup numbers are being fudged
    While Iím seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think thereís a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

    Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

    Isnít it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? Iím pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.
    I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end ó at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

    Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer ó who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) ó would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

    Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.
    I agree and we can't forget that their weakened systems perhaps brought this virus on more readily. Here we have the catch 22 though as it's hard to say here if the virus killed them or the weakened state due to their current health status killed them. It really is a judgement call for the doctor.
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    Iíve yet to see Covid related deaths in the US being defined as anything but being related to a preexisting underlying health condition.

    Now where I have seen the traffic accident scenario used, and used quite often, is in deaths attributed to any given hurricane. Such as, man falls off ladder and is killed while boarding up his second story windows with plywood.

    Even here though, falling off the ladder can arguably be categorized into the overall storm death tally, as the man likely would never had been boarding up his windows had it not been for the hurricane in the first place.

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    Quote Posted by Joe (here)
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    yup numbers are being fudged
    While Iím seldom seen in defense of any federal official or spokesman, I DO think thereís a valid argument to be made on behalf of attributing deaths of Covid patients with underlying conditions, to Covid itself.

    Seems logical to me anyway. Would this person with say a heart problem, asthma, or a compromised immune system, still be alive today had they not contracted the virus?

    Isnít it the same with how we count flu deaths every winter? Iím pretty darn sure that a very small percentage of them are ever strapping young strong and healthy individuals.
    I strongly suspect it depends what actually brought their life to an end ó at least in many (but maybe not all) cases.

    Someone with diabetes, or a heart condition, or even with advanced cancer ó who would not have died that day if they'd not have contracted Covod-19 (assuming they did) ó would have Covid-19 as the cause of their death on the certificate.

    Same as with a car accident. If you died in a highway pile-up on your way to hospital for emergency cancer surgery, the car accident would be the stated cause of death, even if your chances of surviving the surgery for more than a few days or weeks were slim.
    I agree and we can't forget that their weakened systems perhaps brought this virus on more readily. Here we have the catch 22 though as it's hard to say here if the virus killed them or the weakened state due to their current health status killed them. It really is a judgement call for the doctor.
    According to the article, it is not a judgement call of the doctor, that judgement call is apparently being taken away? So to use Billís example, if someone tests positive for Covid, then dies in an automobile accident on the way to the hospital, then that could be counted as a Covid death. I donít know if that kind of insanity will actually take place, but that is what she said in the video.

    Quote The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someoneís life.

    Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-c...c45os-UIrMCtTU
    Right and according to David Icke the test for Covid 19 shows everybody with any kind of illness (or for instance cell poisoning trough elektromagnetic radiation) as positive for Covid 19. I allready got this meme with a pic of Ron Burgundy that said: It is now being reported that everybody who ever died, probably died of Covid 19.

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    On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.
    Either you or Dr. Thomas Cowan in his interview are confusing an (alleged) quote from Steiner ("a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell") with another quote from Arthur Firstenberg -- emphasis mine:

    Quote we fast forward to 1918 when the United States entered World War One, and Marconi had sold the world that you could make use of radio waves, and demonstrated one of the first transmissions of 20 years before but when the United States entered World War One, we made intensive use of radio technology for the first time as part of our war effort. And after World War One is when the development of commercial radio began. I make the case in the book that the Spanish influenza epidemic was caused by the sudden change in the Earthís electromagnetic environment by the worldwide use of radios.
    https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenber...one-radiation/
    That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You have a very weird way of discussing....
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    I read a "joke" Surgeon said the only way we can cure your chickenpox is to cut off your left leg. Surgery carried out.
    A few weeks later the chicken pox has gone. Surgeon said Told you I could cure it.
    Bit like lock down creating economic meltdown.
    The statistics in the UK so far do not warrant this "cure"

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    That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You are a very weird way of discussing....
    You are grasping at straws. You should try to find an original quote from Steiner to support your claim, instead of relying on secondary sources like Dr. Thomas Cowan. Hint: you won't find anything in this regard.

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    ΝYC-ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients-like High Altitude Sickness
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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
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    That Firstenberg also made this claim does not mean that Steiner not also made this statement? You are a very weird way of discussing....
    You are grasping at straws. You should try to find an original quote from Steiner to support your claim, instead of relying on secondary sources like Dr. Thomas Cowan. Hint: you won't find anything in this regard.
    The whole grasping at straws line you make here shows you are discussing to win an argument. Im not here to win arguments. Im here to seek the truth. The earlier statement you made in which you also said Steiner didnt make this statement which you backup with other statements from Steiner actually made the point stronger that Steiner actually did say the statement Cowan made. Because they were all along the same line.

    That its hard to find a statement said in the early 1900s on google doesnt mean that its false...

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Comment from Alana Jacobs on Restore Liability For The Vaccine Makers' FB page:

    https://facebook.com/groups/restorel...30094814010815

    "My concern with this is that IF (this is only a speculation) IF this that we are seeing could possibly be chemicals that are coming with the rain due to cloud seeding. My reason for questioning is because I did do a bit of research on cloud seeding & I have found that the chemicals commonly used in cloud seeding are liquid propane, silver iodide, potassium iodide, and carbon dioxide (aka dry ice). The effects that these chemicals have on the human body are very similar & they all involve often severe respiratory distress because they displace oxygen!"
    https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...53&oe=5EB607A9/" data-width="700">
    https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...53&oe=5EB607A9/">https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...53&oe=5EB607A9/">


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/rest...0094814010815/

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    [ARTICLE] Facts about Covid-19

    Jon Rappoport cites a Swiss Propaganda Research article, updated from its original publication, dated April 7th in a recent blog post

    There's a pretty good summary of a lot of data here dating back to mid-March. Disappointingly whilst creating the PDF (now in the library here) the many links to source articles haven't been mirrored; these can be found by sourcing the article from the SPR site here.

    This is 34 pages long though, and hopefully will embed successfully:

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    Medical Doctor Blows C-Vi-Rus Scamdemic Wide Open - Andrew Kaufman M.D.

    WTF!?!! CDC Posted THIS 2 Months BEFORE CV Was Announced!!!
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    Thanks for this video. It is amazingly informative and from my point of view, a must watch. I learned so much, such as about exosomes and even the 1918 flu pandemic. I had never heard of those 3 experiments proving that transmission was not occurring 100% of the time even when a healthy person was intentionally caused to inhale material from a person suffering from the disease. Crazy stuff. I really wish more people watch this as it is an eye opener.
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    Very interesting, some good comments. What is truth?

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    Mike Adams tackles David Icke for denying Covid-19 SEE PREVIOUS POSTS

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-...irus-hoax.html

    What on earth are we talking about?
    WHAT TESTS ARE USED AND WHICH ARE FAULTY AND WHICH CAN BE TRUSTED?

    - A faulty test exists that identifies an exosome and calls it erroneously the virus
    - A highly contagious virus exists and I suppose can be identified correctly
    - Tests with a throat swap are done and there is suspicion that these kits come from China and can be contagious
    - Etcetera...

    The confusion is complete and reputations of well meaning opinion leaders are getting hits for lack of information and false data.

    Adams utterly takes down Icke in this article. But because he does not indicate the huge manipulations against liberty in this health crisis, he is also responsible for incomplete information.
    EDIT: Meanwhile Adams has caught up with a new article =>
    We must all demand a sensible end to the coronavirus lockdowns, or we will lose our liberties forever
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-...s-forever.html
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    I have a tendency to get the flu just hearing about it going around. Twice I've gotten the flu from an entity I psychically perceived. Germ theory needs a lot of work.

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