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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    I didn't really get what all the controversy about ventilators in NY had to do with this so called 'flu'.

    If this is really a genuine hearted NY ER ICU Doctor, he poses an urgent explanation regarding the tie to 5g that we have been suspecting. The 60hz wave causes deadly oxygen depletion in the body similar to high altitude sickness.

    Discerning people are believing him, just seems so dangerous to do full face, I also wonder if it's an agenda 'reveal' and/or another diversion so to speak from an agenda that at it's core is really targeted or mass murder by numerous means.





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    Interesting article...wait and see.

    https://johnbwellsnews.com/prepare-f...ulls-this-off/

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    The immune system is our main protection against colds and flues, it needs upgrading by being exposed to the latest infection.
    No one wants to go through the misery of any virus but its natures way of strengthening us in preparation for the next bug.
    So those who have caught this current virus are not lepers, many have survived this and will therefore be all the more immune from the next episode --when ever that comes.
    Loads of people are immune to the current virus -- look at the numbers checked who are negative.

    All the Draconian measures are designed to promote what?
    What exactly is the agenda?
    You tell me.

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    This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post.


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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post.
    But one thing that is very different from earlier vaccinations and vaccinations now is that the way it is being done now is totally different. Nowadays they shoot stuff right into the blood vessel and the method in earlier days was completely different. What happens is that you completely bypass all the safety measures of your body by injecting it right in the blood vessel. Also Big Pharma nowadays is like Mafia, not to be trusted at all. Look at all the things that happened in the last decades with side effects from vaccines.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Total UK COVID-19 Cases Update

    Data as of Saturday 4th April 2020

    UK Cumulative Totals
    41,903 cases
    4,313 deaths

    Now Im not good at percentages but the numbers actually dying is relativly low from 41,903 cases.
    Thats just the number of known cases
    Many have it off the record and that is accepted by the Government advisors.
    If many off the record have had it then it lowers the ratio greatly of death to those who have or have had it.
    If you want to promote fear by distorting figures surely you would up the number of deaths.
    I actually think this data is fairly accurate.
    Here are the links.

    Chris

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...0b19484dd4bb14

    https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    This is a global study of Influenza.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

    I think the world is being subverted into over-reacting...

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    Quote Posted by Mark Tuahmen (here)
    This man be a stupid idiot with no real knowledge of biology and virus! Don't believe!
    Actually, he's completely correct. This is perhaps the best scientific exploration of why by a Medical Doctor and why we need to understand the science of exosomes in order to understand the true nature of viruses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Wq-alAXQY&t=670s

    If you want the really deep and technical science, this presentation by an eminent PhD is well worth looking at:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRVxTBuvChU&t=3509s

    There are actually two caveats to this, not just the vaccination issue. Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, who is a Medical Doctor of nearly 40 years had a leaked document sent to him from a lab in China showing that COVID - 19 actually has bacterial gene sequencing in it. This is why people have made such remarkable recoveries using a combination of Hydroxy Chloroquine, Azithromycin (an antibiotic) and zinc.

    Dr Klinghardt is a living genius and true angel on this earth. I was treated by one of his physicians in a German clinic in 2016 when I was barely able to walk or lift a kettle for many months and his protocol enabled my recovery and brought me to a place where I could do yoga every day.

    I'd strong recommend everyone listen to his presentation here which was given a few days ago. It's an absolute goldmine of information concerning every level of treatment strategy for COVID-19:

    http://www.sophiaeducate.com/virus-u...ch-klinghardt/
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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    This guy says a virus is not transmissible, but he ends with one exception: vaccination. If a virus is transmissible by vaccination, then it is transmissible. This is not an exception, it is a blatant contradiction. He is also wrong on the subject of vaccination, which is about injecting immunity while seeking close to zero risk of transmitting the actual virus. So his claim that modern medicine has no idea is obviously nonsense. And even if it wasn’t, he could not explain how the Chinese, centuries ago, understood the smallpox virus enough to come up with a safe vaccine. See this post.
    The Chinese were so smart about smallpox yet, today, they have virtually no refrigeration nor soap (even in hospitals), little to no environmental controls (so terrible pollution) and wet markets where, again, NO oversight or controls and a huge breeding ground for viruses and bacteria, and everything just poured down the sewers with little treatment? And we wonder why these viruses keep coming from China.
    Let’s be clear here. A vaccine DID NOT stop smallpox. Or polio. Or ANY other infectious disease. There is not one shred of credible evidence to support such a claim. Every single infectious disease for which there was or is a vaccine was almost eliminated BEFORE the introduction of said vaccine.
    Most importantly, NOT ONE double blind inert placebo study has ever been conducted on even a single vaccine. Ever. And the longer term vaccinated vs unvaccinated study? Also, NEVER been done.
    You’ve also obviously not read of the shedding that takes place in vaccinated individuals.
    Fear is simply a consequence of a lack of information.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    THERE IS NO 5G IN ECUADOR, AND NEIGHTER IN WUHAN

    Thanks Bill for the handy tool to see where there is 5G coverage worldwide: http://nperf.com.
    Next thing is of course to immediately check if there is 5G in Wuhan. If this tool is trustworthy there is no 5G in Wuhan.That insight would have helped weeks ago. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere on the long Covid 19 Wuhan thread? But one better knows not the use this argument against 5G with public authorities, press or contacts or you loose face . (See print screen below for the 5G in Wuhan).

    Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in Wuhan - nPerf com(3).png (561.6 KB)

    No idea with what technology work the 10.000 antennas in Wuhan for the advanced Chinese tracking and social credit system.
    Even if they are only 4G LTE based, the electronic smog of millions of Chinese with smartphones must be tremendous.
    But why is Huawei, the champion of 5G, delayed with that roll-out in its homeland China ? One could start developing wild theories about that.

    Report about the 5G situation in China :
    https://www.lifewire.com/china-5g-4178852

    Meanwhile foremost in the USA and UK towers with military grade pulsed ray capacity are raised with priority . And the majority of their population is looking for protection with mouth masks. A weird war-game of attack and defence.(See print screen below for the 5G in New York).

    Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in USA - nPerf com(1).png (1.32 MB)

    MODS I can not get the screenshots of Wuhan and New York in the right place . Sorry

    Over here the council of my local town-district has issued Friday a rare press release wherein they exclude any 5G in the territory without prior public debate. We keep up with the protest and coordination throughout the lock-down.
    Remember "Think globally,ACT locally"
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    Quote Posted by Philippe (here)
    THERE IS NO 5G IN ECUADOR, AND NEIGHTER IN WUHAN

    Thanks Bill for the handy tool to see where there is 5G coverage worldwide: http://nperf.com.
    Next thing is of course to immediately check if there is 5G in Wuhan. If this tool is trustworthy there is no 5G in Wuhan.That insight would have helped weeks ago. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere on the long Covid 19 Wuhan thread? But one better knows not the use this argument against 5G with public authorities, press or contacts or you loose face . (See print screen below for the 5G in Wuhan).

    Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in Wuhan - nPerf com(3).png (561.6 KB)

    No idea with what technology work the 10.000 antennas in Wuhan for the advanced Chinese tracking and social credit system.
    Even if they are only 4G LTE based, the electronic smog of millions of Chinese with smartphones must be tremendous.
    But why is Huawei, the champion of 5G, delayed with that roll-out in its homeland China ? One could start developing wild theories about that.

    Report about the 5G situation in China :
    https://www.lifewire.com/china-5g-4178852

    Meanwhile foremost in the USA and UK towers with military grade pulsed ray capacity are raised with priority . And the majority of their population is looking for protection with mouth masks. A weird war-game of attack and defence.(See print screen below for the 5G in New York).

    Screenshot_2020-04-04 3G 4G 5G coverage in USA - nPerf com(1).png (1.32 MB)

    MODS I can not get the screenshots of Wuhan and New York in the right place . Sorry

    Over here the council of my local town-district has issued Friday a rare press release wherein they exclude any 5G in the territory without prior public debate. We keep up with the protest and coordination throughout the lock-down.
    Remember "Think globally,ACT locally"
    I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    I just want to cross-refer this post, by our very own Mashika.
    Her 47-year old cousin "had issues breathing, was taken to the hospital, and never came out."

    We don't know that was Covid-19, but it sure matches the symptoms. This is real. It can hit anyone you know.

    Anyone reading this is well aware how to take good care of themselves. But first one has to acknowledge there's really a problem.

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    I didn't really get what all the controversy about ventilators in NY had to do with this so called 'flu'.

    If this is really a genuine hearted NY ER ICU Doctor, he poses an urgent explanation regarding the tie to 5g that we have been suspecting. The 60hz wave causes deadly oxygen depletion in the body similar to high altitude sickness.

    Discerning people are believing him, just seems so dangerous to do full face, I also wonder if it's an agenda 'reveal' and/or another diversion so to speak from an agenda that at it's core is really targeted or mass murder by numerous means.






    He is a real MD at Maimonides hospital.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    As a natural born contrarian and non koolaid drinker, I actually do believe this thing is real, very contagious and highly dangerous to some. That said, all restraints against domestic propaganda were removed in the renewal of patriot act in 2012, including with the Broadcasting Board of Governors. Excuse at the time was to battle Al Qaeda, the threat is gone but have they reinstated Smith-Mundt? (1948 law banning domestic propaganda in US). DoD spends many millions if not billions managing narratives. By their own admission. And the CDC although a private company is gov't sanctioned arm of it. So by their own lights, we can't trust them. And there is genuine confusion and contradictory information in all quarters, even without the manipulation factor. The tribes have closed their casinos, which as they are sovereign on their own lands, says a lot.

    (To find sources on what I saw above about propaganda look up "Smith Mundt modernization law of 2012'')

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    Quote Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, who is a Medical Doctor of nearly 40 years had a leaked document sent to him from a lab in China showing that COVID - 19 actually has bacterial gene sequencing in it. This is why people have made such remarkable recoveries using a combination of Hydroxy Chloroquine, Azithromycin (an antibiotic) and zinc.
    Actually to my knowledge bacteria do NOT have coding RNA, they have one DNA string (in loop shape) and the RNA present is functional RNA (mostly combined with proteins) so this paper is either a fake or Klinghardt made it up.

    Also: The function of the Zinc/Chloroquine and how this disables certain virus RNA copying mechanisms is known, it has nothing to do with DNA or bacteria.
    However in the later stage of a severe infection, particularly in a hospital environment, the patient is also exposed to bacteria that enhance the lung problems. These bacteria may have been present before the infection with Covid19 but may not have had a chance to overrun the immune system, Azithromycin takes care of them. In the final stage, close to death, it is the overreaction of the immune response combined with the inefficient disposal of sputum that actually kills.

    Another issue I kind of miss in this discussion is:
    As the virus makes its way thru the population (in spite of all measures to keep it contained) a HUGE number of people get infected that will never be tested.
    However this pool of infected will influence the death rate, naturally as a dead body is easy to count.
    So with time favoring ever bigger numbers of infected the number of TESTED does not nearly catch up which MUST lead to a more and more gruesome looking death rate which has no basis in fact but is an artifact of the missing tests.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Quote Posted by Goba (here)
    ....

    Another issue I kind of miss in this discussion is:
    As the virus makes its way thru the population (in spite of all measures to keep it contained) a HUGE number of people get infected that will never be tested.
    However this pool of infected will influence the death rate, naturally as a dead body is easy to count.
    So with time favoring ever bigger numbers of infected the number of TESTED does not nearly catch up which MUST lead to a more and more gruesome looking death rate which has no basis in fact but is an artifact of the missing tests.
    Thank you for your comments regarding Zinc/Chloroquine but you won't find discussion of the 'issues you miss' here.

    As the thread title states, this is a thread where no one believes the the test is yet valid or any of the 'spreading' statistics of any report are believable as characterized.

    You'l find at least 10 other threads where your questions based on believing the reported 'death rates' or 'numbers of tested' (as if valid) are welcome.

    Thank you for taking them elsewhere.


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    Quote Posted by Mypos (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Mypos,

    Many people are wary of 5G and vaccines. But there is no well researched evidence that has been carefully vetted ( Jon Rappoport is not a credible source) that will work as solid evidence that they have anything to do with corona virus. Conflating this virus with 5G and vaccines is a mere distraction.

    Don't let your own rightful suspicion of 5G and vaccines be used by crackpots trying to leverage it to make money on YouTube. One physical virus is bad enough. YouTube scammers and fantasy prone individuals have created several more mind viruses.
    I dont think Rudolph Steiner and Bruce Lipton are crackpots on youtube who want to make money....

    If you look at the hotspots Wuhan and Lombaria you see 5G and mandatory vaccins. That is no evidence but what is evidence these days? Nothing is too be trusted. And its very suspicious that in the hotspots of Covid 19 we have these things, dont you think?
    Quote Posted by mypos (here)
    On the one hand we have statements from Rudolph Steiner (one of the most wise in terms of Mystery School material) who claims that a virus is a cleansing of the poisened cell and also that the Spanish Flu was not a contagious virus but the elektrification of the earth in terms of radiowaves.
    Sorry, but your alleged quote of Rudolf Steiner is nothing more than New Age garbage, because it clearly contradicts the general viewpoint of Steiner.

    Paraphrasing Steiner's view about illnesses and epidemics:
    • Illness always has an origin at soul level
    • Bacteria and viruses are real, but they are just a side-effect of an illness and not the cause. In other words: the materialistic medicine confuses causation and correlation.
    • Epidemics are a result (not the cause!) of widespread fear on a collective level.

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Questioning Conventional Wisdom in the COVID-19 Crisis, with Dr. Jay BhattacharyaRecorded on March 27, 2020

    Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of medicine at Stanford University. He is a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and a senior fellow at both the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and the Stanford Freeman Spogli Institute. His March 24, 2020, article in the Wall Street Journal questions the premise that “coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines.” In the article he suggests that “there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.” In this edition of Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson we asked Dr. Bhattacharya to defend that statement and describe to us how he arrived at this conclusion. We get into the details of his research, which used data collected from hotspots around the world and his background as a doctor, a medical researcher, and an economist. It’s not popular right now to question conventional wisdom on sheltering in place, but Dr. Bhattacharya makes a strong case for challenging it, based in economics and science.

    For further information:
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    Ps I think this presentation is very honest.
    The death rate can not be determined at this moment-- however the Dr says, in his opinion, its much lower than the media is putting out.
    He also concerned about the effect on the health of people long term by crashing the economy.
    Many more can die from a recession than from this virus. Dying due to a depression is a documented fact.
    Comes back to is the cure worse than the disease?
    Are draconian measure proportional to the dangers of the virus?
    The elderly and vulnerable are most at risk but people with a good immune system will only get mild symptoms if any.
    So its dangerous but no more so than the former episodes experienced at this time of year.
    Chris
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

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    I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Because its pretty obvious there IS 5G in Wuhan. This is even admitted by official sources. So i dont think this tool is very trustworthy.
    If you can find other sources that clearly prove there is 5G in Wuhan it would be helpful. So much faulty thinking can occur with lack of true statistics and data. Conclusions are revised every hour in this crisis and many disturbing truths are coming to the surface.

    Official sources that say there is 5G can also be pure propaganda. The word 5G is now used for marketing . It sounds oh so good and smart ! And to sell their projects in a non suspicious way the telecom companies are now speaking about " 5G Light". They are adapting the marketing against the growing opposition and questioning. Once the light version is installed nobody has any democratic insight how the hidden and treacherous IT collaborators can program the grid to increase the power. It is that bad.

    Hopefully you are an activist in your community. But it is risky in discussions to use an argument like 5G is in full operation in Wuhan if there is no solid proof.
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