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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

    Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

    If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

    To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

    In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Death toll is lower than the FLU. (PERIOD)

    CALIFORNIA DOCTOR DELIVERS CHILLING MESSAGE ABOUT COVID-19 FULL VIDEO

    Full 4/22/2020 press conference in Bakersfield California with Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/WLp53rpJ2B7i/

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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    There is no test for Wuhan virus specifically. The cases and deaths are over, not under, reported. The reason this is so is because everything is attributed to the virus right now. You could jump off a bridge and the cause of death would be the virus, no exaggeration.

    Consider, if someone comes in with a simple case of the flu, develops complications, and dies. Will they test for influenza A or B specifically? Or will the symptoms determine the cause without testing? Put another way, do you think they have all the tests lined up and testing for everything? Or do they right now only test for Wuhan virus? And with a test that cannot test for that virus specifically?

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    This is a video two California medical doctors (immunologists) who presented their data concerning COVID-19. Because their findings conflicted with the globalist narrative, YouTube censors banned it.

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    Dr Andrew Kaufman comments on the validity/invalidity of the methods used by those who have 'isolated the virus'.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    I'm a little mistrustful of official figures of any kind and tend not to put too much stock in them.

    Much hinges on a correct diagnosis for Covid-19 presented in the figures. Given that this has been circulating for many months longer than recorded figures attest may even mean possible exhumations to determine the presence of this, for potentially hundreds if not thousands of fatalities over the winter months, with revised causes of death.

    In the meantime I did a quick bit of simple math for the UK figures shared by the Government today - hoping I've got this fairly accurate. Here's what I tweeted earlier:
    UK Covid-19 deaths = 20732 div by # of hospitals (1257) then = avg 460 deaths per day (# 45 days) since Mar 13th = 0.36 people per hospital per day. (Assuming a correct diagnosis.) [for Covid-19]

    Are my sums right????? (It's late, I could have goofed.)
    Your final number 0.36 people per hospital per day is correct if we assume that deaths are split evenly among all 1257 hospitals.

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    There is no test for Wuhan virus specifically. The cases and deaths are over, not under, reported. The reason this is so is because everything is attributed to the virus right now. You could jump off a bridge and the cause of death would be the virus, no exaggeration.

    Consider, if someone comes in with a simple case of the flu, develops complications, and dies. Will they test for influenza A or B specifically? Or will the symptoms determine the cause without testing? Put another way, do you think they have all the tests lined up and testing for everything? Or do they right now only test for Wuhan virus? And with a test that cannot test for that virus specifically?
    I just finished reading the official WHO testing protocols.
    They don't even test a lot of the time!
    If someone presents with symptoms and later dies, it's counted as Covid. No need for testing!
    So yes, the numbers are greatly over-inflated.

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    The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

    Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

    If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

    To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

    In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



    https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c
    I haven't studied Europe yet, but this past week I did study the U.S. numbers.
    I compared the overall fatalities in the U.S. for the last seven years, up until the middle of April 2020.
    There is NO spike of any sort for the Covid-19 period!
    Numbers are the same as usual.

    So basically, they are taking deaths, and instead of labeling the cause of death as it should be, they are just putting them in another category (Covid-19). But the total deaths stay the same.

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    Well said norman, you made me laughe ,hehhe, iI dont know any longer how to spell, who cares :D.
    My posts doesnt track, sorry if you are confused
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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

    Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

    If the same level of under-reporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

    To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

    In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls. The accuracy of official death statistics from the virus is limited by how effectively a country is testing people to confirm cases. Some countries, including China, have retrospectively revised up their death tolls from the disease. 



    https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c
    I haven't studied Europe yet, but this past week I did study the U.S. numbers.
    I compared the overall fatalities in the U.S. for the last seven years, up until the middle of April 2020.
    There is NO spike of any sort for the Covid-19 period!
    Numbers are the same as usual.

    So basically, they are taking deaths, and instead of labeling the cause of death as it should be, they are just putting them in another category (Covid-19). But the total deaths stay the same.
    Federal data released this week shows that the number of deaths recorded in the U.S. this year is higher than normal, outpacing deaths attributed to COVID-19 in states that have been hit hardest by the virus.

    The data provides the first look at death trends this year across the country and offers more evidence that the official tally of coronavirus deaths is low.

    The phenomenon is pronounced in states with some of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks. From March 22 to April 11, New York saw 14,403 more deaths than the average of the previous six years, according to data maintained by the National Center for Health Statistics at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. New Jersey saw an additional 4,439 deaths and Michigan an additional 1,572.

    The "excess deaths" surpassed COVID-19 fatalities in those states by a combined 4,563 people. Experts suspect that unconfirmed coronavirus cases could be responsible for some of those deaths, but it might also be related to a shift in other causes of death. For example, some doctors speculate people might be dying from illnesses from which they would normally recover because the pandemic has changed access to health care.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/i...ta/3048381001/
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    Ignoring the cause, if most of us can agree that a dead body is what it is, then the numbers of these in "hard hit" areas is significant. For the 3/22-4/11, from the Times, the apparent ratios and unusual amounts of the dead, which do have a spike at least in "flu-like illnesses", explodes to:

    New York City 325% 11,900
    New Jersey 172% 5,200
    New York (excluding N.Y.C.) 142% 4,200
    Michigan 121% 2,000
    Illinois 113% 1,400
    Massachusetts 120% 1,200
    Maryland 115% 700
    Colorado 116% 600

    Outside of these areas, averages are actually said to have dropped six per cent. Of course, there are fewer highway fatalities and so forth.

    The CDC does not put simple things like that in an easy to find place, but, they say:

    In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more deaths than in 2017.

    Hmm, well, if it's just 25,000, it's just a statistic no one pays any attention to.

    According to the Post, over 120 days, there have been more than 17,000 excess deaths in New York City alone, 10,000 more in New York state and nearly 8,000 in New Jersey. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia and Massachusetts all suffered more than 2,000 excess deaths. It is a year's total of 66,000 and they say since January 2017, death rate has only ever spiked twice: beginning of 2018 (flu) and now.

    West Virginia, which has reported just 40 coronavirus deaths, nevertheless has suffered 2,182 excess deaths so far this year, according to the new data.

    It is rather strange that I can't get a solid number about death totals in a certain state in, say, April 2019, but there is a lot of chirping about what it means and how statistics and guesses work. I would think numbers of deaths are pretty easy to work with, but the information in the certificates is debatable anyway. So far we seem to be seeing that the removal of highway fatalities and air pollution is quite beneficial, but, I am sure we really all want to replace it as heavily and quickly as possible.

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    The Covid vaccine: simple facts staring us in the face
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    May 1, 2020
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...s-in-the-face/

    "I’ve written much about the extreme dangers of a COVID vaccine. Here I want to present simple basic facts, which apply to all vaccines and all recipients.

    Public health agencies readily admit that people with weakened immune systems should not be vaccinated.

    But the language they use is dodgy and incomplete. The CDC states: “A vaccine should not be administered when a contraindication is present; for example, MMR vaccine should not be administered to severely immunocompromised persons…Severely immunocompromised persons generally should not receive live vaccines…”

    No word about killed-virus vaccines. No word about the dangers of vaccine components, such as aluminum and formaldehyde.

    But there are more issues. According to conventional vaccine theory, the injection of a germ stimulates the immune system to mount a response—and this is an effective rehearsal, preparing the immune system to react quickly, later, when the real disease comes along.

    But if the recipient of the vaccine has an immune system that is already impaired, how can the “experts” believe the rehearsal will go smoothly? The recipient’s antibody scouts would respond sluggishly. The immune killer cells would fail to carry out their mission of wiping out the germ-invaders in the vaccine.

    To use a mechanical analogy, vaccinating people with compromised immune systems is like pumping more efficient fuel into a car to improve its performance, when in fact the car’s engine is already disabled.

    Worse yet, vaccinating a person whose immune system is weak would overwhelm his body’s defenses with injected chemicals and germs, creating dire levels of illness. The rehearsal would be the real thing—and the body would take the punishment.

    All right. Now imagine a few billion people receiving a new COVID vaccine. Do you seriously think doctors are going to spend time sorting out all these people, to discover whose immune systems are already weak, and shunting them off into the do-not-vaccinate category? Of course they won’t.

    No mass vaccination campaign (for example, in Africa) has separated the weak from the strong—and none of those campaigns approached the numbers envisioned for the COVID vaccine.

    In a COVID campaign, people are going to be dropping like flies. And when they do, public health authorities will employ the time-honored strategy of calling them “sudden deaths owing to COVID disease.”

    Furthermore, I’m talking about a conventional vaccine. Two new technologies are in the COVID testing pipeline as we speak: DNA and RNA vaccines. They have never been released for public use. DNA technology is actually gene therapy. Genes are injected into the body, and they permanently alter the genetic makeup of the recipient in unknown ways. RNA vaccines would carry the danger of triggering autoimmune reactions, meaning the body basically goes to war against itself.

    Pro-vaccine religionists are enthusiastic and militant about bringing a COVID vaccine into play, and they want to see it mandated. In their wet dream, a vaccinated person would receive an immunity certificate, enabling him to go back out into the world, from lockdown. The unvaccinated would face a more murky future.

    In this sense, the entire “COVID pandemic” is an operation designed for the use of a vaccine. Politically, it is offered up as a forked road into favored status, or a shameful lower-class outlier category, resembling Church excommunication.

    “Shun the unclean, the demons and the witches, the unvaccinated. Shun them in all ways. Only through the priests (the men in white coats) will you find rescue and salvation…”

    The tactic is as old as the hills. Then and now, the people running it are the ones selling superstition."

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    Thoughts from Max Igan in Australia.

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    Interesting report here from the CDC with a total number of deaths by COVID19 being listed as of yesterday @ 37,308 deaths. The news figures are interestingly about double this figure. CDC deaths
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    Default Re: Covid19: Don't trust the statistics (or the science re the tests/the cause of the sickness)

    Don't trust the stats because they are obviously manipulated.

    It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.

    People are far too afraid to go to the hospital right now unless it is a life threatening episode. I bet I could go to the local hospital right now and there would be no one there.

    Also, with no one on the roads there is less traffic deaths, and that is a biggy.

    A telling stat would be one that shows deaths broken down according to the primary cause. That would show whether the stats are being manipulated. It would show the regular deaths expected by the major killers and the excess deaths related to covid. It would be impossible to refute. These partial stats mean nothing because they can hide the truth without directly lying.

    More deaths than other years would mean that this covid thing is far more virulent than it is.

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Don't trust the stats because they are obviously manipulated.

    It is impossible that the reported deaths are more this year than previous years.
    You got everything backwards: if the facts contradict my preconceived opinion, then the facts must be wrong: "It is impossible..." Duh.

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    Its a case of context
    Like has to be compared to like and its too early to have an accurate comparison of this "epidemic" and previous years.
    Medical opinion at least some of it, seems to indicate its no worse than a bad seasonal flu.

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    Stats are not synonymous with facts but I am open to persuasion.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Ignoring the cause, if most of us can agree that a dead body is what it is, then the numbers of these in "hard hit" areas is significant. For the 3/22-4/11, from the Times, the apparent ratios and unusual amounts of the dead, which do have a spike at least in "flu-like illnesses", explodes to:

    New York City 325% 11,900
    New Jersey 172% 5,200
    New York (excluding N.Y.C.) 142% 4,200
    Michigan 121% 2,000
    Illinois 113% 1,400
    Massachusetts 120% 1,200
    Maryland 115% 700
    Colorado 116% 600

    Outside of these areas, averages are actually said to have dropped six per cent. Of course, there are fewer highway fatalities and so forth.

    The CDC does not put simple things like that in an easy to find place, but, they say:

    In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more deaths than in 2017.

    Hmm, well, if it's just 25,000, it's just a statistic no one pays any attention to.

    According to the Post, over 120 days, there have been more than 17,000 excess deaths in New York City alone, 10,000 more in New York state and nearly 8,000 in New Jersey. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia and Massachusetts all suffered more than 2,000 excess deaths. It is a year's total of 66,000 and they say since January 2017, death rate has only ever spiked twice: beginning of 2018 (flu) and now.

    West Virginia, which has reported just 40 coronavirus deaths, nevertheless has suffered 2,182 excess deaths so far this year, according to the new data.

    It is rather strange that I can't get a solid number about death totals in a certain state in, say, April 2019, but there is a lot of chirping about what it means and how statistics and guesses work. I would think numbers of deaths are pretty easy to work with, but the information in the certificates is debatable anyway. So far we seem to be seeing that the removal of highway fatalities and air pollution is quite beneficial, but, I am sure we really all want to replace it as heavily and quickly as possible.
    My daughter works in local ICU and hospice facilities, our deaths here in Colorado at least where we are located have been in long term care facilities of patients who were older etc. The local ICU has not had any hospitalizations due to covid in over 2 weeks. The facilities she works in have not had any covid, but before this was all publicized there was a spike in deaths in Nov/Dec and experts are now thinking these people had covid. The local CU epi here, Matt M says covid has been here locally since September although if one recalls my story about Great Dane breeder, he had it mid August.

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