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    Very interesting video regarding the difference between non lockdown vs Lockdown countries.

    https://www.davidicke.com/article/56...inite-lockdown

    1. Non lockdown countries have significantly less reported deaths, and open economies
    A two country focus group:
    Quite similar nordic countries, Sweden 10 million people, Finland with 5.5 million.

    Sweden, non-lockdown 887 dead
    Finland, lockdown 48 dead

    It really isn't the case that you state here. Sweden, a non-lockdown country having 10x more deaths, taking into consideration the difference in population sizes.
    Yes. Also look at Belarus and Brazil. I don't have time to dig out the stats just this moment, but I think you'll find they tell a similar story.

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    Default Re: David Icke on 5G and Covid-19

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    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
    Very interesting video regarding the difference between non lockdown vs Lockdown countries.

    https://www.davidicke.com/article/56...inite-lockdown

    1. Non lockdown countries have significantly less reported deaths, and open economies
    A two country focus group:
    Quite similar nordic countries, Sweden 10 million people, Finland with 5.5 million.

    Sweden, non-lockdown 887 dead
    Finland, lockdown 48 dead

    It really isn't the case that you state here. Sweden, a non-lockdown country having 10x more deaths, taking into consideration the difference in population sizes.
    Yes. Also look at Belarus and Brazil. I don't have time to dig out the stats just this moment, but I think you'll find they tell a similar story.
    But you could equally argue that the non lockdown countries are peaking earlier with whatever death stats they can squeeze out of this. I don't know, but only at some kind of end stage will we see the totals.
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    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
    Very interesting video regarding the difference between non lockdown vs Lockdown countries.


    https://www.davidicke.com/article/56...inite-lockdown


    1. Non lockdown countries have significantly less reported deaths, and open economies
    A two country focus group:
    Quite similar nordic countries, Sweden 10 million people, Finland with 5.5 million.

    Sweden, non-lockdown 887 dead
    Finland, lockdown 48 dead

    It really isn't the case that you state here. Sweden, a non-lockdown country having 10x more deaths, taking into consideration the difference in population sizes.

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    Hello BR and UT,

    So I did some fact checking, the graph used in the video shows 7 countries in lockdown and 7 countries not in lockdown using CDC statistics to highlight deaths per million people in each country.

    I have done the math using todays CDC statistics and the statement is definitely validated by the numbers using a 14 country sample.

    I was also stunned by how low numbers actually are in those non-locked down countries. I am hoping someone can find out the 5 G status in the countries not on lock down used in this study -they are:

    Sweden
    Iceland
    Mexico
    Belarus
    Japan
    South Korea
    Taiwan

    Let me know if anyone is interested in seeing those statistics laid out in a chart format with actual numbers visable. I am also planning to match those numbers up against the most recent 5 G rollout status

    Conclusion: Of the 14 country sample: 7 locked down and 7 not locked down: there are significantly less deaths in the 7 non locked down countries.

    Blessings Luke
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    Default Re: David Icke on 5G and Covid-19

    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
    Very interesting video regarding the difference between non lockdown vs Lockdown countries.


    https://www.davidicke.com/article/56...inite-lockdown


    1. Non lockdown countries have significantly less reported deaths, and open economies
    A two country focus group:
    Quite similar nordic countries, Sweden 10 million people, Finland with 5.5 million.

    Sweden, non-lockdown 887 dead
    Finland, lockdown 48 dead

    It really isn't the case that you state here. Sweden, a non-lockdown country having 10x more deaths, taking into consideration the difference in population sizes.

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    Hello BR and UT,

    So I did some fact checking, the graph used in the video shows 7 countries in lockdown and 7 countries not in lockdown using CDC statistics to highlight deaths per million people in each country.

    I have done the math using todays CDC statistics and the statement is definitely validated by the numbers using a 14 country sample.

    I was also stunned by how low numbers actually are in those non-locked down countries. I am hoping someone can find out the 5 G status in the countries not on lock down used in this study -they are:

    Sweden
    Iceland
    Mexico
    Belarus
    Japan
    South Korea
    Taiwan

    Let me know if anyone is interested in seeing those statistics laid out in a chart format with actual numbers visable. I am also planning to match those numbers up against the most recent 5 G rollout status

    Conclusion: Of the 14 country sample: 7 locked down and 7 not locked down: there are significantly less deaths in the 7 non locked down countries.

    Blessings Luke
    5g is not on yet in Sweden. It has been partially tested at a small area in Stockholm. Thats the official version anyway.

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    5g is not on yet in Sweden. It has been partially tested at a small area in Stockholm. Thats the official version anyway.
    One can check operational 5G coverage (and 4G, and 3G) in any region or city of the world, using this site: http://nperf.com.

    (Or, simply search with this term: [site:nperf.com stockholm] — etc)

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    Ok, I hope this will add some clarity.


    Attatched is the table with all of numbers in a clean format


    Personally, I found it very clear from these statistics, in this 14 country sample size:

    1. Being in lockdown has no statistical significance on the number of deaths and it does not lower the death rate. In fact, in this study, those in lockdown had an overall remarkably higher death rates and numbers.

    The number of deaths per million really makes the case very clear for the non statistician.


    2. There is a correlation between the concentration of 5G and the number of deaths.

    3. Obviously more testing needs to be done to firmly establish causation, looking at all countries to form definitive conclusions



    Please share this with others so that they can make educated conclusions.


    Please add to this work so that we can compile a worldwide list



    Be well

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    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
    Ok, I hope this will add some clarity.


    Attatched is the table with all of numbers in a clean format


    The number of deaths per million really makes the case very clear for the non statistician.

    Personally, I found it very clear from these statistics, that in this 14 country sample size:

    1. Being in lockdown has no statistical significance on the number of deaths and it does not lower the death rate. In fact, in this study, those in lockdown had an overall remarkably higher death rates and numbers.

    2. There is a correlation between the concentration of 5G and the number of deaths.

    3. Obviously more testing needs to be done to firmly establish causation.

    The last attatchment is the one with all of the data, I am not sure how remove the first two




    Be well

    Luke

    The point I would argue is to NOT to make it very clear for the non statistician with a limited hand picked sample. Countries should be sampled altogether and take into consideration the timelines of the lockdown, the demographics etc.
    You include Japan in non-lockdown list – which to my understanding it is not. There has been a strict quarantines, travel bans and closings of schools, a very logical containment of the disease.

    If you take a look at the timeline of Italy lockdown, you will notice that the lockdown is in reaction to an exponential rise in covid cases. Not the other way around.

    Should you incorporate into your statistics lockdown-countries like Finland, Australia and China, you will notice that the general logic that you are suggesting breaks down completely.
    You make a claim that 5G has a strong correlation with deaths. Checking the data from a 5G map (https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map) one can take notice that Lombardia region in Italy has 3 5G networks available, two of which in Milan. In Finland our most locked-down area alone, we have 10. No correlation there to speak of.
    Switzerland on the other hand has deployed 801 5G networks. It has a population of 8,5 million, with about 1000 deaths, having a death percentage of 0,01%. They, after having gone to lockdown mid-march, should by your logic be in a desperate place by now. This is however not the case.

    South Korea (which you have included in your stats) has deployed 174 5G networks, is not in lockdown and has been able to plateau their new covid cases – with extensive testing and quarantining of tens of thousands of people who have been exposed to confirmed cases. They have in fact created a highly efficient targeted lockdown -system.
    My point being:

    I suggest the matter is very far from simple and should not be presented as such with cherry picked data. We should definitely not be suggesting causation where even the correlations between lockdown, non-lockdown, timelines of the lockdowns and the relationship of 5G have not been established at all.

    My best guess is that in this discussion we most probably are not addressing at all the complexity of covid and the statistical factors in fine enough resolution that have to do with it.

    I suggest that we should not be looking out for easy solutions to ease our feelings of uncertainty regarding the situation and even less present them as close-and-shut -cases.

    I further suggest that WYSIATI-heuristic by Daniel Kahnemann is a fine tool to take a look at this: wysiati (as many of you probably know) stands for what you see is all there is -fallacy.

    This wysiati-fallacy, combined with the need to reduce uncertainty, is a tempting way to end up making overconfident claims with very limited data, not really knowing the unknowns one has.

    Top that off with sunk cost fallacy - investing a great deal of effort and perhaps published opinions, and we a have a great soup stirring up. At other times this would result in a which hunt, lynching or warfare, at this point it seems to be heading to the direction of burning up 5G masts at a stake.

    On the other hand the lockdown has granted people a rare opportunity (in some countries/surroundings) to experience life at lower velocity and compare the way this feels to the way the usual work life feels like. This is something that we globally can now experience with possibly the "safest" method of delivery – pandemic instead of some cataclysmic event. This is societally very interesting and may have some repercussions to make the world a more sane place.

    UT
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    Just watched this Icke interview again and I have to say it hit me harder this time. What he has to say here is persuasive to say the least and like a good movie, you pick up more--and make more connections for yourself and in your own mind--with a second view and listen.

    If you're short on time watch the last 40 or so minutes. It's like a refreshing dive into cold water. Very uplifting. After all this time researching the ugliest parts of humanity (and maybe non-humanity) he still retains not only hope but expectation of a brilliant outcome. Puts a smile on your face.


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    For the research UT gives this site : (https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map)

    And Bill Ryan gave : "One can check operational 5G coverage (and 4G, and 3G) in any region or city of the world, using this site: http://nperf.com."


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    You make a claim that 5G has a strong correlation with deaths. Checking the data from a 5G map (https://www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map) one can take notice that Lombardia region in Italy has 3 5G networks available, two of which in Milan. In Finland our most locked-down area alone, we have 10. No correlation there to speak of.
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    Indeed these are counter indications to establish a correlation. Although Helsinki seems to have only 3 5G stations with limited antennas along Mannerheimintie street. That against 2 large networks in Milan . On the contrary disaster area Bergamo is not showing 5G.

    Notice that these proposed sites for checking 5G in real time are incomplete or not up to date.

    www.speedtest.net/ookla-5g-map gives no data for France while 5G is in Paris.

    And the site: http://nperf.com. shows no 5G in Wuhan what is certainly untrue. I have also not established what 4G* in comparison to 4G stands for . Maybe this is the 4G LE.

    I suspect these sites are from persons from the same 5G industries and also used as publicity. Therefore to be studied with caution !
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Rappoport is playing on your suspicions of mainstream media, pharmeceutical industry, government, etc...We have every right to be suspicious. The problem is he is trying to clear the slate and insert his own alternate reality....and that is exactly what it is. This is a money making venture for him. Please try not to be jerked around by shysters.

    I can tell you from personal experience that I ignore 5g whenever I see anything about it now and that is because the information about it has been tarnished by association.

    If there is a 'master plan' might it be to inject questionable information (along with valid info) into the alt right community and have them run with it, exaggerate it, and then extrude the whole mess through their imaginations, while calling it solid logic? What does this accomplish? It turns people OFF. It doesn't wake them up AT ALL.
    If you are talking about the academic material you may have a point ( I wouldn't know, I hardly ever read it ), but if you're talking about the people watching kinda common sense, you are missing the board, never mind the bulls eye.

    Try who's doing what, instead of who's saying what, just for a day or two. You might find it cerebrally liberating in a successful enough way to never want to go back to the old stuff again.

    The luxury of ignoring 5G won't last much longer by the way. You better be right.

    My non academic brain does struggle with pairing mm waves with parts of the body that are at least a thousand times smaller than that, but when I hear someone mention a so called scientific paper that explains how mm waves can stop the absorption of oxygen, that sure gets my attention. If that could be true, I'm completely on board with an absolute all out war against 5G.


    if you're talking about the people watching kinda common sense, you are missing the board, never mind the bulls eye
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    I am actually very worried about the technocracy and 5G. I stay away from discussions about it because they segue into complete nonsense. Do certain individuals have a lot to gain from it? Yes. Are they evil monsters engaged in an intentional plan to subvert humanity? Not likely. They are more likely products of tech themselves and enthralled by it. Their intentions may be positive, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    Here is my hypothesis, just in case you think I am not weird enough for this forum. And it is just a very loose theory I pulled out of my ass. I wonder if at the top of all this, including the pandemic, there is some silicon based alien intelligence that is waiting for us to build out the infrastructure so they can more easily finesse something like a parasitic control of the planet. They want to reduce the population and the virus may be part of that.

    Not saying, I believe it. It's just a thought I entertain. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Rappoport is playing on your suspicions of mainstream media, pharmeceutical industry, government, etc...We have every right to be suspicious. The problem is he is trying to clear the slate and insert his own alternate reality....and that is exactly what it is. This is a money making venture for him. Please try not to be jerked around by shysters.

    I can tell you from personal experience that I ignore 5g whenever I see anything about it now and that is because the information about it has been tarnished by association.

    If there is a 'master plan' might it be to inject questionable information (along with valid info) into the alt right community and have them run with it, exaggerate it, and then extrude the whole mess through their imaginations, while calling it solid logic? What does this accomplish? It turns people OFF. It doesn't wake them up AT ALL.
    If you are talking about the academic material you may have a point ( I wouldn't know, I hardly ever read it ), but if you're talking about the people watching kinda common sense, you are missing the board, never mind the bulls eye.

    Try who's doing what, instead of who's saying what, just for a day or two. You might find it cerebrally liberating in a successful enough way to never want to go back to the old stuff again.

    The luxury of ignoring 5G won't last much longer by the way. You better be right.

    My non academic brain does struggle with pairing mm waves with parts of the body that are at least a thousand times smaller than that, but when I hear someone mention a so called scientific paper that explains how mm waves can stop the absorption of oxygen, that sure gets my attention. If that could be true, I'm completely on board with an absolute all out war against 5G.


    if you're talking about the people watching kinda common sense, you are missing the board, never mind the bulls eye
    .
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    I am actually very worried about the technocracy and 5G. I stay away from discussions about it because they segue into complete nonsense. Do certain individuals have a lot to gain from it? Yes. Are they evil monsters engaged in an intentional plan to subvert humanity? Not likely. They are more likely products of tech themselves and enthralled by it. Their intentions may be positive, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    Here is my hypothesis, just in case you think I am not weird enough for this forum. And it is just a very loose theory I pulled out of my ass. I wonder if at the top of all this, including the pandemic, there is some silicon based alien intelligence that is waiting for us to build out the infrastructure so they can more easily finesse something like a parasitic control of the planet. They want to reduce the population and the virus may be part of that.

    Not saying, I believe it. It's just a thought I entertain. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
    … Whomever, whatever is ultimately behind it - is not human....at least not by my definition of what constitutes a human being
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