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    I have been scouring the internet looking for information to try to figure out what is truly going on... This is NOT another COVID-19 thread, but those threads sparked this one...

    There are so many that believe they know what this COVID "operation" is,... Yet I don't believe that hype.. So many are believing that the "Cabal" is being taken down, That we're all going to die from some pandemic, that their precious savings are going to disappear.. and the list goes on and on.. From 5G taking us out, to every government in the world being in on some conspiracy to enslave the entire population of the planet.. News flash .. we have been enslaving ourselves from the start... and as a result of that, there have been many levels of inequality in this world..

    We have the time to face this now and rectify it.. But first we need awareness..

    Rather than address THAT, we are picking apart our own levels of suffering, and focusing our attention on those things... I suggest we are strong and should dig DEEPER.. If you need a cause I will show you many.. And I think that when we all come back "Online" in our societies that we address these issues, as if we do not, they will never change.. And the guilt for living our "Civilized ways" will be on our shoulders... And throwing money at them, will not help.. We need true changes.. Not "paper bandaids.."

    While we have been throwing money at these problems, I want to believe that those that have the power to stop it are finally in a position to do so, so they stepped up.. Whereas those before them just let it continue as they threw hush money at the problem.

    The REAL vulnerable people in this world? Are those starving, those being enslaved... We have been so fortunate to never have to see this part of humanity, in our little ivory towers.. So let's take a real look at the real world..



    First I will address the jokers online that suggest there are no "Mole Children".... They're poking fun at those suggestions calling others "crazy" for suggesting such things.. These are the ones stuck in mines in Columbia.. Let us hope those ventilators are for them.. And that they survive... Perhaps the malaria medications for them or for those that were in other third world countries......

    I will be posting other things, things rarely found in numbers in comparison to the "Superstars" of our community. The superstars are those that are stepping up to work to fix these things.. Not those hoping their youtube channel gets the most clicks...

    Trump is making suggestions that there is light at the end of the "Tunnel".. Whether mines or the tunnels of sex traffickers.. I DO hope they're clearing them all... I HOPE this is what he meant, and I would stay home for years, or the rest of my life if it took that, to put life on hold to bring these kids into a world of promise rather than what they are living as a result of our neglect.

    I am staying at home so those trying to help others can do just that.. No vehicle accidents, no work injuries, so the military and medical personnel can help those that truly need it.. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution.
    The fear porn has to stop.. The real work has to be done.. And it looks like each country is doing their part, in rotations to help... That's what I am seeing.. Or what I hope it is anyway.. Many of us do not have the necessary skills to help these people so we are being asked to get out of the way...

    Pointing fingers at this point isn't going to save a life... They're addressing those that looked the other way... And I have to believe that Bill Gates was offering people birth control so their children didn't have to face this.. Not that he was deliberately killing off people in third world countries.. But protecting them from their own neglect. I have to believe that he has been trying to help all along..

    Let's hope....

    Feel free to add other causes here.. Things that will raise awareness to what TRUE hardship is. What true enslavement is.. and the repercussions...

    Right now there are videos going viral with children sitting on tons of face masks, making more, on the floors of their tiny homes, in filth and squalor.. and all people can say is, "Those aren't clean".. That's the point, these people need HELP, not our judgements...

    How "Enlightened" are you? Truly?

    This is not me calling anyone out, but rather me telling others, we have had our ideas jaded, obfuscated, and redirected for far too long. It's time we face the truth .. And fix it before ever calling ourselves enlightened and intelligent. It is a time to grow, as a community, worldwide. And growth can be painful.
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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    Just adding another well made video...



    This video is just a lead in to the Child Trafficking situation the world is facing... Not to mention children and adults as well getting stuck in sex trafficking.. Perhaps people are not ready for this, but we really need to stop it..

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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    The "real world" that you speak of here is indeed real, but we don't want to acknowledge it exists. We, the people, if we are lucky, inhabit a world where we enjoy the heat and comfort our dwellings but will not to consider how the coal that heats it got out of the earth and into their oven. We consume and enjoy the animal products, but don’t want to know about factory farming and slaughterhouse conditions. We love to buy designer clothes and think about the glamourous people whose name is on the designer label and not the people who worked in the factories that made the fabric and sewed the garment together.

    Many of my mothers ancestors were coal miners in the Ruhr Valley of Germany. Her father’s family emigrated to Germany around 1900 - they were farmers in Poland and the opportunity of working in a coal mine enticed them to move hundreds of miles away to a country that spoke a different language. If you worked in a mine, you were given a home to live in - a row house with 2 floors. You had a nice big garden in back where you could grow your own vegetables and have chickens. If someone died in a mining accident, their widow was allowed to live in the house for the rest of her life and also received enough free coal to heat the home. In spite of the fact that they were coal miners, they could occasionally attend the theater and opera and enjoy some of the cosmopolitan pleasures of the city. They were in many ways like many of the middle class city/suburban people of their time, except they had jobs that were more dangerous and unhealthy than other people, and they did not urge their children to go into the same profession. My grandfather became a construction worker, which was a good choice, because when World War II came along he was needed to clear away rubble and rebuild bridges and did not have to serve in the military. Some of his brother’s did continue as coal miners and one of them died in the late 1950's, despite extensive efforts to save him.

    It is hard to believe that in a world where we have more sophisticated technology and an overall higher standing of living, that the working conditions of coal miners have gone steeply downhill in a century, with children expected to spend their childhood digging in mines, and that those who get sick and will not have the money to be cared for. We can blame the parents, although they do not know how else to feed their families; we can blame the mine owners, although they might not be able to produce coal at a competitive price if they opt to pay their workers more. We can blame the government officials who don’t create and enforce regulations against this economic brutality, but I think we have to look a lot further. There have been many efforts to create a more just and equitable way of living in South American, and many efforts to thwart them, including Operation Condor, backed by the United States and the CIA, to keep right wing dictators in power along with a repressive economic system to keep people, like the ones we see here, in poverty, while producing an abundance of goods for the rest of us. And if you think Operation Condor was a thing of the past, it isn’t. Under the previous US government, the Obama Administration under Sec. of State Hilary Clinton, used military force to over throw the nation of Libya, which had a system that was both very equitable, giving it’s citizens a high standard of living, and had no income taxes, meanwhile the administration was completely unresponsive to a right wing junta in Honduras that ousted a popular elected president. And with the current Trump administration, the democratically elected president of Bolivia has been ousted, and the Sec. Of State Pompeo has responded similarly - his silence aids and abets these right wing leaders who create the same kind of working conditions that leads young children to work in coal mines. So we can blame our leaders, here in the NATO countries, but we should also blame our selves, our addiction of buying into the narrative of the knock ‘em sock ‘em left/right politics that presents itself to us through the main stream media.

    There are many ways that each of us have failed to question how we are contributing to the misery of the world. We need to look deeper, and instead of blaming ourselves and each other, we need to do something about it.

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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    Agreed..

    Given the lack of replies on this thread, I do not think I should post the other things I was going to post. They're a bit shocking.. And perhaps people can't stomach them.. I am not so certain that those who believe they are really wanting real positive change, are really aware how bad things are outside of their own bubbles... As a species it is all of our problem.

    I planted one seed. I can continue to water it, but if I add too many seeds.. of too many different "Problems", it will just make everyone feel overwhelmed.

    Funny. I am the last person to run away from someone who manipulates others. Its just wrong on any level.. And while I wanted to grab these kids and help them all, truth is there is plenty of this manipulation happening all around us. So long as we all stand up and confront it when it happens, in whatever capacity we can.

    Once one stands up to it, others will step in, if they are strong and feel it is the right thing to do. Especially if they feel a support network. Baby Steps. One issue here, one there.

    Many in my family offered their lives, trying to change this world.. I suppose I feel a sense of duty when I see someone trying to harm another for any reason.

    I cannot fault those that are not aware of what life is like in other places.. Bringing awareness to such things? Surely can help them feel a sense of duty to fix the things they do notice.. Even if tiny in comparison... And once we all begin to truly do that, rather than look the other way, or turn our back because it "Doesn't concern us".. things can change.
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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    I think we might have tried to do the same kind of thing Dizi, with our threads. The inertia is suffocating.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1349711
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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    Yes Denise, you’re quite right. The numbers of people in various desperate circumstances and situations worldwide are staggering and grossly overlooked and helping those who can’t fend for themselves should be our primary goal and target.

    Same here in India and no this isn’t “another Covid link”:

    The children struggling to survive coronavirus lockdown

    The article merely admits estimated numbers of kids who sleep alone in the streets and have to “take care of themselves” during the day. It says 70 thousand of them only in Delhi but the number is much bigger if we count in families living in slams, without proper sanitation or access to drinking water, mostly cared by single parent( with many kids since the other died from accident or one of the diseases without proper care, even if medical care is received how can you recover in such environments evades my reasoning also).
    Now if anyone tells me that all those children are somehow “subsidiary” cause to the current epidemics not requiring the fastest and best possible response and rescue,
    they’re lying 😢

    The article complains about some Charity groups not being able to get through to them “right now” because of the lockdown and how they keep texting them messages with information to keep them safe. That’s kind I guess, the phone providers themselves do it already.
    But my heart stops beating each time at the very sight of this inhumanity, globally : since those same people including children are helpless everywhere around the world and no one pays attention ?

    What are their chances of survival without nurturing environment and decent education ? Close to nil unless they hope like we all sometimes did in mercy from a stranger. Some get “a chance” and end up in someone’s good hands but is that a solution?
    It’s quite treacherous these days and always was I’d say, begging for help from foreigners, strangers, people who can set you on long trip to where you never wanted to be in the first place.

    So I think this should be each countries and governments first responsibility from now on to address and rapidly facilitate situations of those suffering from extreme poverty, hunger and abuse.
    If you are a child alone in the streets the amount of unspoken abuse you receive about everyday is beyond limit. Walking between cars of the rich and middle class fast running with windows mostly closed not giving a blink to this all.

    Living in fear for their life from everybody including the authorities.

    How is their situation better than the hundred thousand coronavirus victims of recent ? How can their case wait a bit longer ? How are they not worth the funds?

    The same kids are often the most tolerant, grateful and humane to others if they don’t die, they’re fast and gifted learners who can study and benefit the society the most if they are allowed to grow up, they are the real gift of Mother Nature.



    I pray their situations in total is noticed and improved almost immediately before everyone else’s situations 🙏🌟🙏


    This all depends on the level of consciousness and conscience, rising to where reality and interconnectedness of our lives meet, it can not happen by individual efforts alone, more so from strangers offering a lull of “another life”.

    Strangers often do not know “what are you about” really, can not appreciate your real gifts.

    It’s important for our governments to notice these situations are far more severe and dangerous to lives than coronavirus pandemics.
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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Given the lack of replies on this thread, I do not think I should post the other things I was going to post. They're a bit shocking.. And perhaps people can't stomach them..
    Oh, not. I really think you started a very important thread here, and I hope you will continue. If people can't handle the truth, then let them go back to their somnolence and watch the Kardashians. No one has to click on this thread if they don't want to. But if you really wake up one person, I think it will also be worthwhile. Don't just look at the number of people who visited in the last few days, these threads are up for years.

    Which worries you more: that someone will be offended and unnerved by the truth of what these children experience in the coal mines of Columbia, or that these children should continue to live the same lives, that these villages should perpetuate the cycle of poverty while continuing to work hard for the benefit of those far away and reaping very little reward for their back breaking efforts?

    There isn't a whole lot we can do right now during the quarantine, but developing this thread that you started could be helpful to a world that desperately needs to wake up. While the entire world quibbles about political personalities who foibles and quirks are amplified by the media and by the pettiness of people who get sucked into this drama, it's great that we have people trying to understand the real vast human suffering that is being enacted out there and asking what the real reason why this is happening and what can end it.

    I was going to say "what we can do to end it" but first we have to understand the problem better and that is something you can help us to do Denise. Please don't feel deterred by people who find the dark secrets of of human suffering distasteful, please don't be deterred by the lack of numbers. You have started one of the most important threads here on Avalon.

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    Default Re: The Real World, and what we SHOULD BE devoting our attention to..

    Why are we, as the people of empire, okay with our own living in squalor? Why is it alright that our 'inner cities' are run by gangs? Why do we step over the homeless on our way to work? Why is there even one child in an orphanage here in the heart of our empire?

    Why does the plight of the conquered bother us but not that of our own under-privileged?

    Answer these questions and you have the way forward...

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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Agreed..

    Given the lack of replies on this thread, I do not think I should post the other things I was going to post. They're a bit shocking.. And perhaps people can't stomach them.. I am not so certain that those who believe they are really wanting real positive change, are really aware how bad things are outside of their own bubbles... As a species it is all of our problem.
    I'm inclined to say - post away Denise.

    I have a lot of trouble with the concept that merely informing someone of atrocities another is actually enduring,
    is somehow too traumatic for some poor snowflakes to handle.

    If there is a clean-up operation happening, where some would say the worst of it will never be made public, my question would be - Why not?

    Why not lay it bare for all to see, to absorb and to mourn? Only then can we take ownership of our part in allowing things to get to this state.

    If to define a problem is to half solve it, then let's get it done - so we can move past the problem toward solutions.

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    I do hope that is what is going on, and by all the time I have spent researching such things, there has been a push to stop "Trafficking" in my area.. They're posting it on the news sites as "finds of drug stashes" and such, but humans are trafficked in the same ways.

    It would be logical that the things they're asking for, the specific medications, and ventilators would indeed serve a useful purpose in such an endeavor. The hospitals and Dr.s are sending people home that have symptoms of the "Virus".. So they're looking for something particular. For the people to be sweeping tunnels for merely drugs when supposedly there is a deadly contagious virus going around? Doesn't add up for me. So I do think this is much deeper than just what were being told. The "invisible" virus, the underside of our civilizations.

    Let's hope.. I will spend some time sifting through the links I had intended to share, and determine what I feel would be appropriate. waking people up and panicking them, are two different things. Not only that I must remember that there are many people here from many other countries, and I do not just want to focus in my area alone.

    I do appreciate those that are reading this thread, and I will keep it open and add to it.. Thank You for showing me that others are ready to hear about it. And acknowledge it, and that I am not the only one who "Thinks it's time". It means everything.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    You have started one of the most important threads here on Avalon.

    I agree totally , to much focus is else where , keep up the great posting Dizi .
    cheers

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    Denise,

    I'm not really posting anything anymore, I've rather lost interest, for some of the reasons you mention above. But I can feel your passion here and I wanted to say...something.

    The Bill Gates thing caught my eye since I've been reading about him today. I don't think RFK Jr. would have posted what he did about Gates without full knowledge and proof of what he's up to. Not sure why you "have to believe" he's actually trying to do good, but then, maybe in his mind...I don't know. No one gets to decide for little girls that they be sterilized or that they be paralyzed or just decimated. There are other ways of benevolently handling overpopulation, if that's truly an issue. All I can say is I'm glad people are beginning to see what he's really about. Maybe you're trying to take a broader view but this is not a person who truly cares about suffering humanity. That needle he wields is one of power and control and anti-humanity.

    But the other thing that came into my mind reading what you've written is Yemen. Half the world is under a lockdown of varying degrees for a virus that's supposedly killed 108,000 odd people. But we know the # is a lie, it's obvious now. I just read tonight that millions of people are at risk to die in Yemen from famine. Caused by merciless bombing campaigns from Saudi Arabia, supported by weapons and dollars coming from... yes, the U.S.A. And other countries. Meanwhile sanctions on Iran and Venezuela just got tightened. Yes, now. You see, this caring about people that they claim to do...and then to take such actions. It doesn't make sense. But most of them really don't care about people. Look back at Vietnam.

    And people here are wrapped up in something that seems, at this point, to be on the level of a serious influenza year.

    So, I hear you. But I don't know what to do about it. What can we do to make them see? Nothing, if they don't want to see.
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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Denise,

    I'm not really posting anything anymore, I've rather lost interest, for some of the reasons you mention above. But I can feel your passion here and I wanted to say...something.

    The Bill Gates thing caught my eye since I've been reading about him today. I don't think RFK Jr. would have posted what he did about Gates without full knowledge and proof of what he's up to. Not sure why you "have to believe" he's actually trying to do good, but then, maybe in his mind...I don't know. No one gets to decide for little girls that they be sterilized or that they be paralyzed or just decimated. There are other ways of benevolently handling overpopulation, if that's truly an issue. All I can say is I'm glad people are beginning to see what he's really about. Maybe you're trying to take a broader view but this is not a person who truly cares about suffering humanity. That needle he wields is one of power and control and anti-humanity.

    But the other thing that came into my mind reading what you've written is Yemen. Half the world is under a lockdown of varying degrees for a virus that's supposedly killed 108,000 odd people. But we know the # is a lie, it's obvious now. I just read tonight that millions of people are at risk to die in Yemen from famine. Caused by merciless bombing campaigns from Saudi Arabia, supported by weapons and dollars coming from... yes, the U.S.A. And other countries. Meanwhile sanctions on Iran and Venezuela just got tightened. Yes, now. You see, this caring about people that they claim to do...and then to take such actions. It doesn't make sense. But most of them really don't care about people. Look back at Vietnam.

    And people here are wrapped up in something that seems, at this point, to be on the level of a serious influenza year.

    So, I hear you. But I don't know what to do about it. What can we do to make them see? Nothing, if they don't want to see.
    Caliban.. THANK YOU, thank you for first, deciding to post on this thread, as you suggest you have really not been posting.. So that gives me hope that sharing some true tragic situations may indeed wake up the public.. The meme's, the infighting, all of that, another distraction. The best way to stop your opposition is to neutralize them, give them something to "Fight", and at some point they lose focus on real issues..

    While "Q" and "Patriots" all around the world are embarking on campaigns to give others "hope" that the corruption will end, those following such information are no longer able to see anything but those things, "mission accomplished" as they infight and such. And right now we have some BIG NAMES stepping up to distract us... Yet no one is giving proof of any of their statements.. When they do? I will listen, until then I will research.. Look for my own truth of what I believe I am seeing.

    So many times people post "Don't worry about the messenger, listen to the message" yet these folks don't even comprehend that. They have been trained and told to argue about everything, not actually fix anything.. And no where else is this more evident than on twitter at the moment. But if you know where to look you can find information that is truly something worth watching, and learn something that can help those truly suffering..

    Do you have the time to post links about the things that are important to you here? Yemen and such? I would truly appreciate that. While I have some things, I think first I must change the way people see things... Then, and only then, will they look at what I have to share in the context in which I am sharing it, as it is very important..

    Having said that, I want to write this...

    FOR CLARIFICATION, and perhaps another way to see a situation... My "Healthy" stance on "Bill Gates" at the moment.. Subject to change given the direction of my own research.. I do hope people read this and understand I am not championing him, but I am exercizing restraint and looking for the TRUTH before I vilify the man... And this is why I am so hesitant to just decide the man is "EVIL" when he may be anything BUT

    My stance towards Bill Gates at the moment is complex... and incomplete at best. And that is me being completely honest with both you and myself... I believe that Bill Gates himself is not the one producing the vaccines.. He is funding it.. And yes the story and scope of the damage being caused around the world is HUGE... But before I accept that Bill Gates, and his organization are the ones causing the damage, I would have to believe that America is not only engaging in mass genocide, but they're also promoting it..

    But I think that in order for us to get the full picture we must have ALL OF THE INFORMATION, and we have scarcely any of it... . Without that information we are left to only draw conclusions based upon what the people "Assume"... And I could see why narratives are sometimes altered to prevent panic.

    Let's say that "someone" taints the water supply in America with a disease causing agent.. And everyone starts appearing with this new disease.. So an agency like the Gates Foundation gets involved. and they try to fix it. In doing so, they protect the rest of the population.. But no one ever speaks about the "Source" of the original contamination.. WHY?

    Because in doing so, it would alarm and panic the masses that their water supply can easily be contaminated.. So we only see that people suddenly had vaccines forced upon them, and then a rash of diseases began to appear in that community. No one ever the wiser that the vaccines stopped the spread of a bioweapon. YES their would be people affected negatively.. But not from the Vaccines.. Yet it certainly would appear that way upon reflection wouldn't it? And the vaccines would indeed have the markers of the things they were trying to fix!!!... Yet the "Popular Opinions " would be that "Bill Gates rolled into town with his vaccines, and suddenly everyone is paralyzed, etc.. "

    What do I know about Mr. Gates?

    Bill Gates was a "Coder".. He wrote computer programs. And when he progressed, he hired the best and brightest in the field.. And he realized that our genetics are also codes, one's that can now be "Cut and Pasted" to create all kinds of genetic issues and diseases, just as easily as they can help fight against them.. Who would be the best person to get involved if new "Designer DNA diseases" began to appear?

    I think the fear of being tracked, as well as other things that are being "lumped together", are muddying the waters of the possible truth of what could be going on. And the elites aren't doing it, intelligence agencies are...and we are helping them because in our own ignorance, we spread the "Cover stories".. And this has to be a BIG issue, or those a the top wouldn't be so involved in it.. People forget, elites don't stay "elites" if they kill off everyone..

    Look at it this way... If someone attacked your nation, your nation would never want to admit it both to the public or the enemy.. Nor would they want to report the extent of that damage to either party. For obvious reasons.. So this is why we never hear about such things.. It would create mass panic. AND tell the enemy their "Campaign" was "Effective"...

    And NOWHERE is this proven more effective than when the Japanese were sending bombs over to America via the jet stream during WW2.. They never spoke about it, as they wanted Japan to think they never "Landed" so they would stop sending them, and they didn't want to panic the citizens of this nation..

    https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...on-bombs-fu-go

    What I am saying is, that there are good reasons to hide some things, even from a society that you want to protect. We NEVER get all of the details, and sometimes for good reasons. I am a researcher not a follower. And having said that? I can't believe the "hype.." I feel I must look into the facts that I can find.. And even then I would never claim to say I know all of the answers, much less lead a revolution against someone or some agency.. To do so would be irresponsible..

    For example, if someone was deliberately adding disease to the water supply, food supply or air supply of a nation, having nothing to do with Bill Gates.. And we are not aware of this, and Bill Gates and his foundation were trying to fix such things.. We just wouldn't know, by design. And to aid in the efforts of "keep us from knowing", perhaps he steps up to keep the conspiracy going, also helping to redirect the masses..

    So he goes out into the public and makes a video that suggests he wants to vaccinate everyone, and the populations assume it is to make them sterile.. As that nation was facing a weapon that did just that...

    Doing so, redirects focus from the real work he is doing, and the tragedy of what those people faced.. Our media IS highly controlled.. Sometimes for good reasons.. In the intelligence community, on must first express the ability to remain intelligent.. Right now, people are showing they're not.. Rather than looking for truth? They're looking for support of their beliefs that someone is a bad actor.. Taking the "Bait" as it is low hanging fruit... Rather than putting information together that they know about said people, and forming their own conclusions.

    I don't buy the hype.. That is all I am saying.. The verdict is still out for me when it comes to Gates. He would have to know what he is doing, and be a strong man to step out and allow others to believe such negative things about him. Yet, If he was guilty, I think he would have been taken down long ago. People fail to recognize that. If he was doing the evil things people suggest, someone in a position of power would have stopped him long ago. I have to believe that. So that alone, makes me rethink the hype.

    What we do know, is that he is suggesting that we should have a population reduction. And that seems nefarious. But when you see the children in certain areas starving, dying of basic issues that we have overcome, what is the thing that would first come to mind? STOP HAVING KIDS if this is how they're going to live their lives. Clean things up and then bring children into THAT world. That is an obvious observation.. it doesn't mean he is sterilizing them.. But he is saying something that would play on the opinions of many.. I doubt that Bill Gates or ANY of the elite that want to help this world, want the reputation of being a cold blooded killer.. So why are they doing these videos and "talks" where they can be heard suggesting such things? They see a larger good in those things in the efforts of redirection. Sleeping well at night knowing they did their part to help humanity.

    AGAIN. I have not formed a conclusion about the man, but it is leaning towards the side of GOOD, not a bad actor.. But I have yet to form my ultimate opinion. And even then it is just an "Opinion"

    What I am saying is this.. People tend to react before they act. Touch on a sensitive issue, and then you have the ability to affect the minds of the masses as their emotions get involved.. And right now they're doing this is mass. orchestrating other things for us to focus on, while they do something very important.. We just don't know what that is.. But I have an idea..

    Here are some "Facts" about some of the REAL things that are happening in my corner of the world... We ARE fighting a virus in California.. One most never see, making it "Invisible" in this society as many are so blind as to see it.. I am finding information like this all over the internet like this, in every state in the world, and for THIS, I am more than happy to set aside my own needs while the resources of my state fight this "Disease". I am willing to forgo enjoying public places risking a possible vehicle accident taking them away from their real efforts right now.. Trying to be a part of the solution.

    https://www.dailynews.com/2020/02/05...plus-arrested/

    An operation to fight human trafficking in California resulted in the arrests of over 500 people last week.

    Agencies from Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties participated in the effort, formally known as “Operation Reclaim and Rebuild,” which was conducted between Jan. 26 and Feb. 1.

    The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said the operation focused on rescuing victims of human trafficking, and providing them with services. The operation also went after people suspected of doing the trafficking, as well as customers of prostitution and human trafficking.

    “Don’t do business in Los Angeles County or the State of California,” Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said. “We will find you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law.”

    Villanueva said there were 518 arrests statewide for various crimes. Among those arrested were 27 suspected “human traffickers and exploiters” and 266 customers.

    Investigators rescued 76 adults and 11 children from the human traffickers, Villanueva said. Federal, state and local agencies participated in the operation.

    The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said as part of the operation it arrested 106 people on suspicion of violations associated with prostitution and other crimes.

    “Operations were conducted throughout the county and specifically within the cities of San Bernardino, Loma Linda, Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, Redlands, Hesperia and Victorville,” the Sheriff’s Department said in a press release on Tuesday.

    Pomona police noted that officers from its Sexual Exploitation and Trafficking Team and officers from the Azusa Police Department worked together and arrested four women and three men on suspicion of prostitution-related crimes.

    The operation stretched across Southern California, and the Corona Police Department was among the participating agencies. The Corona Police operation was conducted on Jan. 28 at a local motel. Nine men and three women were arrested on suspicion of solicitation of prostitution, with everyone transported to the Riverside County Jail afterwards.

    The Riverside County Sheriff’s Department said it arrested over 70 people on suspicion of prostitution-related crimes. The arrests were made in Temecula, Hemet, Corona, Moreno Valley and Palm Desert. Those arrested were between 19- and 66-years-old.

    The Huntington Beach Police Department said its Special Investigation Bureau participated in the operation and arrested one man on suspicion of pimping and pandering.

    “Detectives also identified and provided assistance to multiple victims of commercial sex trafficking,” Huntington Beach police said.

    Authorities said the operation was planned in Los Angeles, with detectives from over 200 federal, state and municipal law enforcement agencies in attendance.

    Victims that were found by law enforcement were taken to various victim service providers in each county.
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    Here is a more "Tame" version of human trafficking.. And how those that trafficked them, preyed upon them..



    I fear the minute I post really graphic stuff the thread will have to be shut down for the content.. So I am walking a very fine line here.

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    My grandfather was a coalminer, so that puts me just two generations out of this pit. Thank you so much for this. It tells me of the personal stake I have in a thread of my own which I hadn’t thought about. The end of this post applies here too.

    It also reminds me of the Annunaki legends as recounted by Zechariah Sitchin, whereby the human race was literally concocted to work the gold mines of South Africa and South America.

    It also makes me wonder about modern legends about the “deep state” literally digging into the earth to create underground cities and worldwide transport. Of course they do it with state-of-the-art tools that give you sore fingers like after a day on the iphone.

    And then, they give me hope that the couple of generations that has got me to where I am now will get these kids way beyond that in half the time. They don’t mind genuine hard work and they know the value of a little education. They deserve as much education as they can take.

    And finally, these people are at the wrong end of the climate change debate. But this debate needs to be turned on its head. The CO2 issue to me is like wanting to smash the thermometer or otherwise remove the symptoms. The main issue with coal is saving the miners. This planet is 70% under water. We have technology for harvesting wave energy. We prefer to talk about anything else, wind, solar, you name it. There has been research done into the “fourth state of water”, with more energy to be released. Let’s do that too, and ship water at little cost into our deserts. Then we can have a sensible debate about rising sea levels – and leave all this coal in the ground.


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    Thank You aurucaria,

    This type of conversation is much more likely to accomplish many things.. One- it shows that we, the human race, have not succumbed to the brainwashing thus far.. Two-That we have been doing some homework into "true solutions" to some much larger problems..

    Another thing we could be addressing is the methods in which MSM has been overtaken and utilized to give us rather leading information.. All of them,getting their information from ONE source. People are addressing that front already... But many have no idea this is happening still..

    Right now we have an opportunity to show them we are not all falling into the "slumber" they wish to believe they have accomplished. Sadly most online are still presenting their arguments in the same way the MSM is presenting them.. As arguments, and not intelligent conversation based upon actual facts.

    I do not like when people mislead others.. To me that is evil at it's finest.. And I will put myself in harms way to prevent it if I can. I believe in transparency.. But to get to that stage, we must be able to handle the truth... We need to prove that to those who want to give us truth... So they are not alone in their fight again the ones who are happy we are content sheep...

    What it takes however is a village, those willing to stand up and protect those trying to make a positive impact upon this world, even if only one action at a time.. And I can tell you from personal experience, that you have support like no other here on Avalon. So use this venue responsibly.. Less we lose it.

    AGAIN THANK YOU BILL and everyone that keeps Avalon up and running!

    We have gotten to the point where we do not even recognize a good thing when we see it... When I first came to Avalon, there was so much infighting.. I was stunned.. But times are changing.. And as such, we really need to thank them for those changes, and make sure that we treat the environment with some respect and responsibility.

    Please feel free to share information Auracaria.. As you have..
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    I know who I AM.. So I was stunned to come across this today..

    For those asking how they can be a part of helping the issues we face on this planet, I think this video will be profound. Knowing your part in the bigger, surely empowers everyone.. Once you figure out who you are, it frees you up to do that which will affect the whole, in whatever way possible.


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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    I know who I AM.. So I was stunned to come across this today..

    For those asking how they can be a part of helping the issues we face on this planet, I think this video will be profound. Knowing your part in the bigger, surely empowers everyone.. Once you figure out who you are, it frees you up to do that which will affect the whole, in whatever way possible.

    Thanks for sharing that Denise. This doco is very profound and well worth a watch however, it is currently locked up behind a paywall with Gaia.
    All for one and one for all

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    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    I know who I AM.. So I was stunned to come across this today..

    For those asking how they can be a part of helping the issues we face on this planet, I think this video will be profound. Knowing your part in the bigger picture, surely empowers everyone.. Once you figure out who you are, it frees you up to do that which will affect the whole, in whatever way possible. Remaining true to who you are as a person..

    Thanks for sharing that Denise. This doco is very profound and well worth a watch however, it is currently locked up behind a paywall with Gaia.
    Thank You Constance.. I was quite stunned to see someone even did this documentary. I discovered the "I AM" in an entirely different way than watching a documentary, so when I came across this, I thought WOW, what a great way to say what I never could... Not only that I was thrilled to learn someone else even knew what "I AM" meant!

    When I went looking for the entire documentary, I too, found it locked behind some sort of paywall here and there. To say I was disappointed was an understatement. I posted the trailer, and intend to continue to look for it more, until I find some way for it to be shared freely.. I sure hope I find it somewhere, so everyone can see it without having to pay for it.

    If finding this documentary for free is possible. I will do it. And hopefully it will be as profound as my own experience with this concept. Sadly when I tried to reach out to them via their fb page, they stopped posting there in 2014. I won't give up.

    UPDATE

    I went ahead and bought the movie via Amazon Prime.. I am not sure if it is possible to share it, as I now own a legal copy of it.. But if someone can tell me how to do such a thing? I will happily share my copy of the documentary..
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    And for the last five plus years I won't give Microsoft $6.95 to get my own files back, a million plus words! Go figure.

    Never been to Amazon or Ebay. Never visited instagram or twitter. I thought they were the evil we are trying to rid ourselves of.

    I quit Gaia and won't even watch for free. I refuse to use facebook.

    I often feel guilty when I watch utube.

    But I got Netflix.

    I think I am a hypocrite.

    I feel like an anachronism - out of touch for all the wrong reasons.

    I thought I had my priorities straight...maybe I'll pay the extortion and get my files back

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