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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    As a part of the greater citizen pushback to restrictions on peoples' freedoms and certain inalienable rights it may be possible that all governments that propose to mandate mask wearing and vaccinations are breaching the Nuremberg Code of 1947.

    Here's a link to that: http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/

    Permissible Medical Experiments
    The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

    1.The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

    2.The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

    3.The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.

    4.The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

    5.No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

    6.The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

    7.Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.

    8.The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

    9.During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

    10.During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
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    There's also this: http://avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Univer...e_Page%2074%5D

    Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

    Item 36 on Page 74 of the pdf (appears on the 80th page of the document)
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

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    As a part of the greater citizen pushback to restrictions on peoples' freedoms and certain inalienable rights it may be possible that all governments that propose to mandate mask wearing and vaccinations are breaching the Nuremberg Code of 1947.
    Seeing as no country has ratified the code in law I wouldn't hold much hope of any government recognising or acting to remedy any breach of this code, though most of the world's governments are indeed imo, in breach of the code.

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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    The code refers to medical experiments. It is a specific doctrine addressing a specific issue -- that medical "experiments" were done by the Nazis on their incarcerated concentration camp internees as a form of torture.

    The code is from international humanitarian law -- which is the law of war, and applies during armed conflict. Only.

    The government requiring wearing masks and requiring vaccinations is neither something occurring in a state of war nor an experiment. The prohibition of medical experiments, in its modern and binding form, is in the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, and has nothing to do with measures taken in peacetime on uninterned people during a pandemic.

    As a medical, I can put a mask with oxygen on you and perform CPR on you without your consent if you are unconscious because of a life-threatening situation. I can do that fully within the law, regardless of Nuremberg or any other international convention.

    Public health authorities have the power to enforce quarantines and always have. It is not an abrogation of your civil rights, it is an acknowledgement that your "civil rights" do not allow you to threaten the lives of others -- in this case by willfully spreading a potentially lethal disease.

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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    As a part of the greater citizen pushback to restrictions on peoples' freedoms and certain inalienable rights...[...]
    Well, if I understand what Greg Hallett uncovered recently, the people of the UK haven't been citizens nor subjects but chatttel since 1688... and I suspect similar loopholes are buried under tons of dust for other European countries.
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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    100's of people in Kansas gathering with no Masks

    PUSHBACK IS GATHERING


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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    I might add to what I posted earlier. At an event, we were called to a scene where a young child had a headache. The thing is, young children don't usually get headaches, excepting from getting hit in the head. The highest ranking of us there, and therefore in charge of the scene, immediately put an N-95 on the child and backed everyone away. He did so quite legally, without the consent to treat from the child's parents, or worrying about any bystander's, healthcare worker or otherwise, right to freedom of movement, or any other authority except public health. The child was then asked if she could touch her chin to her chest. On passing that test, we then moved forward to ask for consent and then treat the child.

    The point is, meningitis is sufficiently dangerous, and sufficiently communicable, and is of sufficiently high risk as a cause of a childhood headache, that the public health outweighed any other rights or protocols until it was established.

    It's a true story, some identifying information has been altered or omitted on purpose to allow it to be told.

    Public health can easily override any other medical protocols and can also easily override other so called rights, for the duration of an emergency. Just like being a danger to oneself or others can be grounds for putting someone in a locked ward for evaluation, some diseases all the time -- meningitis, tuberculosis -- and some temporarily, can become public health emergencies during which everything up to and including quarantine are quite legal and in the public good.

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