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    One more thing.

    When the secret police raid your house in the middle of the night, beat you and take you and your family to a concentration camp and torture or kill you, then you can compare it to a Nazi take over. Imbeciles.

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    Quote Evidence from all across the globe shows uncontrolled, high infection, and mortality rates in places that were not prepared or choose to ignore the warnings of honest, qualified, medical specialists.
    High infection rate = yes, high morbidity = no for those who have not taken the previous injections. HCQ will deal with it immediately.

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    When people begin calling others "imbeciles", I realize they are coming from an emotionally programed space, not dealing with critical thinking and respectful discourse. Avalon has been an oasis in a sea of emotional hyperbole. I hope it remains a sanctuary for those us seeking the truth who understand we come from many perspectives. Peace.

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    Evidence from all across the globe shows uncontrolled, high infection, and mortality rates in places that were not prepared or choose to ignore the warnings of honest, qualified, medical specialists. Not everyone is part of the dark state trying to kill you. I feel for the frontline workers that will inevitably have to take care of these "freedumb" fighters when the time comes.

    I'm not trying to upset anyone here, just calling it as I see it. Surely i can't be the only person on avalon thinking this?!
    Well it is both high and low; for some reason it gives unequal treatment. That is why I am not a big fan of statistical averages. I can believe that Iran for example went from zero to swamped in about forty-eight hours and many places are like that. Here, it is just not happening that way. So the degree of emergency should be a local decision.

    This week's huge mass of about 150 protestors around here was met by about...150 police.

    It is mostly just some people standing there, nothing I would call a revolt.

    As far as I can tell, southern states are soonishly getting re-opened and so there is little to protest on that account; as for the so-called permanent changes and other issues, there will probably be plenty to object to.

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    When people begin calling others "imbeciles", I realize they are coming from an emotionally programed space, not dealing with critical thinking and respectful discourse. Avalon has been an oasis in a sea of emotional hyperbole. I hope it remains a sanctuary for those us seeking the truth who understand we come from many perspectives. Peace.

    On the other hand, my experience here on the PA forum is the opposite. I see a lot of fear porn that in fact makes me ill. I can get that stuff elsewhere if I want it. From January to mid-March PA forum did good. But things seemed to have gone downhill since then in terms of COVID posts from my point of view. Our forum IS a sanctuary. Don't get me wrong. I expected better from many members, though.

    My opinion about re-opening cities is that if that re-opening is demanded by the populace against medical advice, as in checking out of a hospital against medical advice, then fine, let the people have what they want. But any cost, financially and medically, is on their shoulders. Those who decide not to participate in re-opening can remain as they are, safe as they can make their homes in a sea of ignorance. When outbreaks occur and cannot be controlled then those who shun the best of the medical advice available should not become a burden on the hospitals. Turn them away. Maybe their guns will heal them.

    That is pretty much where we are at anyway - marginally safe in our green zones, surrounded by huge numbers of ignorant, scared, and frantic individuals who may or may not listen to advice. These folks should be doing their own research and education. I had a friend visit me from Seattle lately. He had all kinds of questions about the COVID situation and he wanted answers from me. I couldn't say much that would satisfy him. He hadn't done any reading on his own and was unlikely to do so in the future. Months ago all of the friends I have in Seattle received links to good sources of info from me (Martenson, John Campbell, and others that most members here are familiar with). Did any of them follow up? No. And they still insist that I answer all of their questions to make them feel better in a touchy-feely sort of way.

    Fact is, I'm well stocked an prepared, but I'm headed out today for even more supplies. I anticipate riots due to ignorance. People should be collaborating and sharing resources instead of acting out like little children. What is needed is leadership. Where will it come from? Obviously not from government or big business. EVERYONE is responsible for EVERYONE'S safety and well-being. Even in 'statistically' safe rural areas re-opening businesses and public places is very risky without planning and preperation. At least the seniors here in my little community will have extra food from the masses of stuff I've accumulated, if they need it. I also stocked oxygen and common prescription meds, anticipating that my neighbors would at some point not have access to the pharmacy.

    I especially liked the images this morning on zerohedge of militia waving guns while wearing masks. What an amusing incongruity.

    Humanity is being tested. It's that simple. And we seem to be failing at this point in time. Maybe we can learn and figure out how to pass the test. Enlightened, educated caring and collaboration is the key in my view.
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    I would like to disagree with the views from this thread that claims that coronavirus is a HOAX or it is like a FLU because I have already counted 7 people from my personal contact that have died from Covid-19 and this number is only rising here. I cannot recall in previous years to have lost 7 people from my network from Influenza, H1N1 or FLU. So FOLKS, This is not an ordinary FLU and no one here on this thread is able to determine if you contract coronavirus you will be assymptomatic, you will need Hospital or even if you will die in a few days.

    Coronavirus is not spreaded by 5G MASTS like DAVID ICKE claimed as well because in Brazil There is no single 5G MAST installed since the Government has not auctioned yet the frequencies to be used by 5G Technology here.

    So go on the streets at your own risk and due to your own Ignorance.

    Whether coronavirus was launched to destroy the economy is open for debate and will be only clear in the post world after the lockdown and the virus pandemic is over. , but you can always recover the economy, but you cannot rise from the dead a person that died from Coronavirus. So in my opinion Health is more important than economy.

    In Brazil the government measures to deal with coronavirus pandemic are: Monthly payment for 3 months for self- employed people that lost income. Help to micro, small and medium business total amount of help around R$400 billion reais. Central Bank will buy enterprise bonds. Help to rescue Medium Banks to avoid bankrupcy and financial system risk.

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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    This is "Following the Guidance" right?
    9th April, Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley, UK – clapping the NHS:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsb...al/ar-BB12qTdT

    Loads of people gathered to cheer the NHS – no masks, no distancing, “non-essential activity”, and the staff are clearly being stretched – dancing around outside… Another video of the same event:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/nTGY4ihnrkh3

    I’ve heard of more than a few reports of half-full hospitals and not-very-busy wards, including from my significant other (a clinical nurse specialist specialising in heart failure and palliative care). I guess this gives these people plenty of time to do the above.

    This flagrant exhibitionism and self-congratulatory virtue signalling makes my blood boil.
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    Quote Posted by prc (here)
    I would like to disagree with the views from this thread that claims that coronavirus is a HOAX or it is like a FLU because I have already counted 7 people from my personal contact that have died from Covid-19 and this number is only rising here. I cannot recall in previous years to have lost 7 people from my network from Influenza, H1N1 or FLU. So FOLKS, This is not an ordinary FLU and no one here on this thread is able to determine if you contract coronavirus you will be assymptomatic, you will need Hospital or even if you will die in a few days.
    prc I'm sorry to hear of the loss of lives of your personal contacts.

    You need to realize a few things.

    First you are an exception. I don't know of any other Avalon member who has lost 7 people they have known personally.

    Second, I have been charting the cases/deaths of more than 60 countries for weeks now.
    There is a distinct pattern that emerges in all countries.
    After 30-45 days a clear downward trend emerges for both the number of cases and deaths occurring in that country.

    There are now only a few countries worldwide that still haven't reached the peak of cases, the rest are clearly in decline now.

    This 30-45 day period of increase/peak/decrease of cases/deaths is not unique to Covid-19.
    It occurs with all pandemics (such as the seasonal flu). And most importantly, it occurs naturally, without measures taken to quarantine anyone.
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    So in my opinion Health is more important than economy.
    Many of us would like to think that way, but in most cases the world does not run that way. At the 2012 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro it was announced that almost every country has been going exactly backwards since the 1992 Earth Summit. Perhaps there is no such thing as an industry that actually is healthy. They cause their own problems at the same time as spreading disease internationally. If we have almost any kind of economy, risk and damage follow.

    Most of us are not saying there is no danger; I guess we would ask if Brazil's hospitals are all overloaded, or if any are.

    I am not too persuaded that masks, etc., are a great preventative, until we look at things like subways. But one thing I have seen is merchants covering public card terminals with plastic sheets so they can easily clean them. Cleaning this several times a day probably actually does block numerous diseases.

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    There is a very interesting video on this linked by a true expert.
    In a way it belongs here as valid information is needed to push back.
    Most people need a gentle introduction to what is really going on
    I have given a resume below
    Chris

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1352260


    Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:

    - UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
    - The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
    - This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
    - The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
    - The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
    - The paper was very much too pessimistic
    - Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
    - The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
    - The results will eventually be similar for all countries
    - Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
    - The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
    - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available]
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by lloyds (here)
    Surely i can't be the only person on avalon thinking this?!
    No, not the only person, but nearly the only person. I can clearly see the color of your parachute.
    Wear a mask and leave the rest of us alone; go try elsewhere.

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    I would like to disagree with the views from this thread that claims that coronavirus is a HOAX or it is like a FLU because I have already counted 7 people from my personal contact that have died from Covid-19 and this number is only rising here. I cannot recall in previous years to have lost 7 people from my network from Influenza, H1N1 or FLU. So FOLKS, This is not an ordinary FLU and no one here on this thread is able to determine if you contract coronavirus you will be assymptomatic, you will need Hospital or even if you will die in a few days.

    Coronavirus is not spreaded by 5G MASTS like DAVID ICKE claimed as well because in Brazil There is no single 5G MAST installed since the Government has not auctioned yet the frequencies to be used by 5G Technology here.

    So go on the streets at your own risk and due to your own Ignorance.

    Whether coronavirus was launched to destroy the economy is open for debate and will be only clear in the post world after the lockdown and the virus pandemic is over. , but you can always recover the economy, but you cannot rise from the dead a person that died from Coronavirus. So in my opinion Health is more important than economy.

    In Brazil the government measures to deal with coronavirus pandemic are: Monthly payment for 3 months for self- employed people that lost income. Help to micro, small and medium business total amount of help around R$400 billion reais. Central Bank will buy enterprise bonds. Help to rescue Medium Banks to avoid bankrupcy and financial system risk.
    Your post sums up the situation--the imbroglio--humanity is currently enduring. There are a lot of known knowns; there are a lot of known unknowns. Here's what we know:
    • Something is making people sick; some people are dying because of it. Or maybe not because of it
    • There is disease in our world; people are sickly and unwell; the environment is laden with toxins and people die all the time
    • Maybe more people are dying of COVID-19 (whatever it is) than they are of other seasonal illnesses, e.g, the flu, pneumonia, etc. But maybe not
    • Maybe this is a real pandemic; maybe not
    • Maybe SARS CoV-2 is causing people to get COVID-19 and die and maybe the crisis could collapse our health care system; but maybe not (a lot of empty hospital beds and unused ventilators in NYC)
    • Maybe a bioweapon is causing the sickness; but maybe not
    • Regardless how many people are getting sick or dying and from what, regardless of what may be or may not be, our leaders and technocrats are lying about it, covering up the truth, hyping it, inflating the number of cases and deaths, peddling fear, suppressing and banning cures and solutions, and employing propaganda (and even encouraging the spread of pandemic), whether real or promulgated, so to enact draconian measures to corral the people to advance an agenda, among other things we know not what (Of all the ambivalence above, of all we know or don't know about SARS CoV-2 and COVID-19, these observations in this one bullet point--if nothing more--we are 100% sure of)

    The question is, whatever is happening in our world right now, what can we do about it? Stay locked in our rooms forever or until society devolves to the hunger-games (or worse), whatever comes first? Because we are so afraid some of us might get sick or a very small number of us may die? In my view whether it's a hoax or not is truly irrelevant to the broader issue; the manner by which authoritarians and technocrats are managing the crisis, the solutions they are imposing on society, and the world they are fashioning for us on the "other side of this" pandemic (wherever that is) are 100% clear. The truth is, the way this narrative is playing out there is no "other side" of this crisis. By submitting to the narrative we are agreeing to enter a world of perpetual lockdown, in some form or another, from which there is no return. That is not because I believe the virus will stay with us forever (even though we are being subtly conditioned to accept this notion) or because I don't think we can reach herd immunity, but because that's the agenda driving the narrative.

    Regardless what's going on with SARS CoV-2, be it a bioweapon, a hoax, or genuine pandemic that risks the collapse of our health care resources, the agenda driving the narrative is clearest damn thing about this entire situation.

    The problem, then, I have with folks who subscribe to the measures we are taking for our collective safety isn't an issue of what's more important between our safety or the economy, it's an issue of the broader picture. I have to respectfully disagree with the assumption many who advocate for safety are making. That is, many assume at some point after we have all been "good citizens" for the sake of defeating the virus that we will suddenly move back into a "post world after lockdown when the virus pandemic is over."

    Given the current trajectory of this narrative, I can see no post world that resembles anything like our pre-COVID-19 world. Do you really believe the PTB are ever going to let us out of the pen once whatever this is passes?
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    Answering T Smith post, a microbiologist and Yale University PHD Brazillian Epidemiologist called Atila Iamarino gave an interview on Television and said that the world we used to have where we used to go by freely on the streets, go to cinemas, theathers, pubs, shows, football matches wihtout any consequence is over. According to him there is no such a thing as the world we had before because this world does not exist anymore until we get either a medicine or a vaccine that cures or prevent the virus. He said that even if the Government determine that we can go on the streets and go to huge gatherings, he himself will not go to football matches, cinemas, theatres because he does not want to risk to pass on the virus to his loved ones. Those with pulmornary diseases, heart diseases, diabetes, high blood pressure and other diseaseases that constitute a risk group, even if the Government says you can go wherever you want, will not risk their lives either.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    There is a very interesting video on this linked by a true expert.
    In a way it belongs here as valid information is needed to push back.
    Most people need a gentle introduction to what is really going on
    I have given a resume below
    Chris

    ...
    - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available]
    I have no doubt that this will indeed be the case.

    And if it is, does it make sense to force-vaccinate the entire population?

    If 50%+ of the population already had the virus, they obviously don't need a vaccine for it.
    The other 50%- of the population either were strong enough to resist the virus naturally if they encountered it, or if they didn't there are two possible outcomes.

    So let's take a closer look at the second group, the 50%-.
    Let's say half of them were strong enough to resist the virus naturally when they encountered it.

    That leaves around 25%- of the initial population.
    Let's say they haven't encountered the virus yet.

    These people if exposed to the virus in the future will react the same as the initial 50%+ did. Very well overall.

    So what would the point be for a vaccine, apart from lining the pockets of big F
    and pushing TPTB's world control agenda?

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    Answering T Smith post, a microbiologist and Yale University PHD Brazillian Epidemiologist called Atila Iamarino gave an interview on Television and said that the world we used to have where we used to go by freely on the streets, go to cinemas, theathers, pubs, shows, football matches wihtout any consequence is over. According to him there is no such a thing as the world we had before because this world does not exist anymore until we get either a medicine or a vaccine that cures or prevent the virus. He said that even if the Government determine that we can go on the streets and go to huge gatherings, he himself will not go to football matches, cinemas, theatres because he does not want to risk to pass on the virus to his loved ones....
    prc, please read my post #74.

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    Default Re: A World Pushing Back Against CV19 Lockdown: The Protests, The Revolts, The Non-Compliance

    Your own ignorance is in full view here, prc.
    NO one has said that 5G masts spread the virus. What is obvious is that 5G weakens peoples' resistance to viruses and other conditions, and add to that ever-increasing pollution in the air, food and water such as is being experienced in many places around the world, you have conditions ripe for a "perfect storm" of illness and death, but it cannot all be contributed to a virus that is causing no more deaths than the seasonal flu.
    I find it very hard to believe that you personally know 7 people who have died from the coronavirus.
    Most of the deaths reported as being due to the virus were actually due to pre-existing conditions.
    The test for the virus is not only faulty, but has been reported to be contaminated itself.
    Respirators are as much to blame for many deaths as much as anything else.
    Opinions--everyone has one, but it doesn't count for much if you haven't really done your research.
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    Coronavirus is not spreaded by 5G MASTS like DAVID ICKE claimed as well because in Brazil There is no single 5G MAST installed since the Government has not auctioned yet the frequencies to be used by 5G Technology here.

    So go on the streets at your own risk and due to your own Ignorance.
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    Answering T Smith post, a microbiologist and Yale University PHD Brazillian Epidemiologist called Atila Iamarino gave an interview on Television and said that the world we used to have where we used to go by freely on the streets, go to cinemas, theathers, pubs, shows, football matches wihtout any consequence is over. According to him there is no such a thing as the world we had before because this world does not exist anymore until we get either a medicine or a vaccine that cures or prevent the virus. He said that even if the Government determine that we can go on the streets and go to huge gatherings, he himself will not go to football matches, cinemas, theatres because he does not want to risk to pass on the virus to his loved ones. Those with pulmornary diseases, heart diseases, diabetes, high blood pressure and other diseaseases that constitute a risk group, even if the Government says you can go wherever you want, will not risk their lives either.
    He clearly sounds like a speaker hired by Gates to push his vaccine agenda.

    We need new media platforms to speak from - the main sites (you tube and facebook) are being controlled more every day.

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    PLEASE??

    There are 10+ other ACTIVE threads discussing the statistics legitimacy and veracity of CV19. Starting the same arguments here too is completely inappropriate to this thread topic and very intrusive.

    Things were going really well until lloyd and prc. I understand how those who valued and honored this thread would want to retort, but can we please get back to respecting the TOPIC OF THE THREAD - the WORLD PUSHING BACK OVER THE LOCKDOWN.

    Mods, could you please move the off topic sequences to the appropriate thread. It's getting out of hand and becoming another thread with the same arguments.

    THANK YOU.



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    I love this channel, Defending Utah Radio and TV. They're really doing a good job of laying out the Constitutional rights and practical legalities for us all.






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    Quote Posted by ahamkara (here)
    When people begin calling others "imbeciles", I realize they are coming from an emotionally programed space, not dealing with critical thinking and respectful discourse. Avalon has been an oasis in a sea of emotional hyperbole. I hope it remains a sanctuary for those us seeking the truth who understand we come from many perspectives. Peace.
    No, no emotional programed space. Just facts. A governor or state official using the professional data they are given by field experts and then implementing a legal course of action to protect the health and well being of the people they represent. If to you, this sounds like what the nazi's did. You are by definition, an imbecile.
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