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    Default Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    I hope you are all happy.

    You are getting your way.

    Looks like they are going to ban all immigration.

    POTUS is going to ban immigration under the guise of COVID.

    This will be something that starts under this pandemic but doesnt end like the patriot act.

    We all know that we have a white nationalism problem and now it is being codified in law.

    OH wait. it already was :

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/...ica-safe-again

    For those of you who do not know. That is a Fourteen letter title which is a reference to
    the fourteen words of the White Supremacist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    You do not belong in American any more than any other immigrant.

    Unless the US federal Gov has systematically attacked you and stolen your land(and recent tried to disinherent your landhttps://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/unconscionable-trump-moves-to-take-away-from-mashpee-tribe-whose-casino-plans-irked-presidents-special-interest-friends/) then you are an immigrant in the past.

    If you are from European descent and now dont want new immigrants. You are a hypocrite.

    If you are an Irish person that doesnt want new immigrants you are a hypocrite.

    If you are Italian and dont want immigrants, you are hypocrite.

    If you are american and dont want immigrants then you are a hypocrite.

    It is disgusting how much white nationalism is on this website and allowed.

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    MOD ADD 04/25/2020 @ 01:31GMT - here's the Tweet from Donald Trump announcing the temporary ban - Tintin Q:





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    Last edited by Tintin; 25th April 2020 at 00:32. Reason: Added Trump announcement on Twitter to OP

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    I always think of the Red Indians--They got a really bad deal.
    Everyone apart from Red Indians is in America down to immigration.
    Just be honest.
    Im not against immigration, fresh blood is needed in every country.
    That is what keeps a nation alive and thriving.
    Not an open door though there has to a commitment to the countries' ethos, way of doing things, its laws, a respect.
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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    who you callin' 'you people'

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    who you callin' 'you people'
    Exactly.... mirrors; mirrors everywhere, and those who shout loudest are blind to them.


    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)

    It is disgusting how much white nationalism is on this website and allowed.
    I think you're viewing things through a very skewed lens & why is it "white nationalism"....

    also, don't you feel just a bit racist saying "white" nationalism? (or at the very least, MSM programmed since that is one of their goto sound bites?)


    Your comments are disturbingly elitist sounding, like you feel that you someone how can reduce extremely complex topics to a few words, judge people for it; and feel superior.

    Your statements when viewed objectively seem very bigoted.



    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    This will be something that starts under this pandemic but doesnt end like the patriot act.
    That ended?
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Hi praxis, I know it’s not required, certainly an option, but I always wonder why members choose not to tell us where they live, as in your case. It might shed some light on your OP. wondering.

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Praxis, who exactly is "You people" ?
    I am not American, I have never been to America.
    This Forum is not an American forum.

    We have members from all around the world here on Avalon, all creeds, all colours, all cultures.

    Please take your brush tarring anti American racist attitude somewhere else.
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    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Billy,
    What is the name of this sub forum?

    I am talking to the people who are anti immigrant. There are many on this forum, especially given the name of the part of the forum i posted in.

    There are many people around the world that are anti immigrant, this is not just an american issue.

    History is the story of constant migration. The modern nation state is exactly that, modern.

    This is not brush tarring.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...er-coronavirus

    This is something that now directly affects me and my wife. This matters to me on a personal level now.

    My family is now in danger and I may be forced to leave my home country because of racists in America.

    If you are uncomfortable with what I am saying, then maybe you are a person that is anti human from other places.


    I like how you call me a racist. How exactly is MY opinion racist? Billy, I had thought more of you

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    who you callin' 'you people'
    I think maybe only Canadians and hockey fans are getting the secondary humour aspect in this? Or did that story get around?
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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Yellow Nationalism

    China Immigration – Eligibility Criteria for Permanent Residency. While anyone can visit China for a short duration of time, not everyone can get permanent residency in China. ... He or she should have been married to a Chinese citizen or an immigrant with permanent residency for at least 5 years.May 4, 2018

    www.immigrationworld.com › china › china-immigration..

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Praxis,
    I am not your enemy. I am not a White Nationalist and I am not in support of racism. Immigration policies are often a reflection of political agendas, and it is my own feeling that the average "small person" in any country has little, if any, effect on these policies. You find anger, intolerance, racism and hatred anywhere you look for it. Any country, any race.

    It has been my experience that this forum is open to a variety of opinions and beliefs. The stronger the argument, grounded in facts and logic, the more persuasive the position (in my view). Therefore, I am not threatened by those with racist, intolerant views, they seem childish and driven by immaturity- ineffective in swaying compassionate, critical thinkers.

    It seems as if you are trying to provoke the people of Avalon Forum. It is helpful to take a look at your own projections and emotional state- especially if you begin to perceive the world as being against you.

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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)
    I hope you are all happy.

    You are getting your way.

    Looks like they are going to ban all immigration.

    POTUS is going to ban immigration under the guise of COVID.

    This will be something that starts under this pandemic but doesnt end like the patriot act.

    We all know that we have a white nationalism problem and now it is being codified in law.

    OH wait. it already was :

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/...ica-safe-again

    For those of you who do not know. That is a Fourteen letter title which is a reference to
    the fourteen words of the White Supremacist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    You do not belong in American any more than any other immigrant.

    Unless the US federal Gov has systematically attacked you and stolen your land(and recent tried to disinherent your landhttps://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/unconscionable-trump-moves-to-take-away-from-mashpee-tribe-whose-casino-plans-irked-presidents-special-interest-friends/) then you are an immigrant in the past.

    If you are from European descent and now dont want new immigrants. You are a hypocrite.

    If you are an Irish person that doesnt want new immigrants you are a hypocrite.

    If you are Italian and dont want immigrants, you are hypocrite.

    If you are american and dont want immigrants then you are a hypocrite.

    It is disgusting how much white nationalism is on this website and allowed.
    "White nationalism" - what is that exactly? Define that statement and clearly and how, in your view, it relates in any way to what the forum aims are, and its mission

    You may not have remembered this from when you joined - please reread it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ome-to-Avalon-

    Quick question, followed by one or two more areas that I'd appreciate you at least thinking more carefully about Praxis:

    Why didn't you post your frustrations and concerns on the Racism thread?

    I assume the point of this brand new thread is to provoke, as opposed to inspire a grown up conversation, otherwise, what is the point of this brand new thread?

    You need to define and clarify your terminology? Branding anybody who is fair skinned and claims a European descent and then by more than just implying, by actually outrightly stating that they are 'white nationalists' according to your list of criteria - or, kindly, ill advised and not very bright pronouncements - only serves to provoke ire and pushback, thereby fuelling any prejudices you do seem, on the surface, to be already encumbered by.

    As Billy has rightly pointed out this is not an American forum; it is a forum, a community, that has zero prejudices and does invite intelligent, reasoned, thoughtful and well presented views from anyone anywhere in the world regardless of planet of origin, colour, creed, race, ethnicity, religious (or not) belief, or physical appearance (etc.).

    Were it not for the fact that I am peculiarly thick skinned, I would otherwise be mortified at what appear to be, at least on the surface, most peculiar accusations and a wilful prejudice on your part.
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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

    Agreed, Tintin!

    And by the way, love this. Most applicable

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    .. regardless of planet of origin...
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    Default Re: Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US

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    Why didn't you post your frustrations and concerns on the Racism thread?

    I assume the point of this brand new thread is to provoke, as opposed to inspire a grown up conversation, otherwise, what is the point of this brand new thread?
    You are assuming incorrectly. I am posting an immigration topic: The president is signing an order to suspend ALL immigration in the country. We do not yet know what this will look like but given that they are not currently processing green cards, of people currently in the country legally(my wife) or of people outside the country seeking to be in America legally. Since this is the Immigration subforum and my topic is about immigration is particular. I would suggest that I am in the right place to post and discuss this issue.

    I also take offence at you calling me a child here. Un called for.

    I think it is interesting that you think it should be posted in the Racism thread. Why would say that? Is something about banning all immigration racist in some way?

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    You need to define and clarify your terminology? Branding anybody who is fair skinned and claims a European descent and then by more than just implying, by actually outrightly stating that they are 'white nationalists' according to your list of criteria - or, kindly, ill advised and not very bright pronouncements - only serves to provoke ire and pushback, thereby fuelling any prejudices you do seem, on the surface, to be already encumbered by.

    I am very happy that you asked this. I would love to explain my terms and why I come to use them the way I do. Please be forewarned that there will be offensive language because I am about to discuss the past and how humans of a certain descent were treated by other humans who supposed themselves better than those aforementioned humans.

    In order to properly understand what I am about to talk about and to not be labelled a racist like many have already accused me of I am going to have to give you some history of Haiti, in particular the Haitian revolution.

    You may or may not know that Haiti used to be a colony of Anciene Regime France, which means the Bourbons who ruled the country for several hundred years before until the French revolution. I am sure you are aware of this event so i will not go into detail on that.

    What you may not know is that one of the consequences of the revolution was big changes in the colonies of the french Kingdom. The long and short of it was that a class system that had developed based the color of skin and heritage of person determined the set of rights they were to be afforded under both the Bourbons and then under the Republic. When the revolution happened, this system was re evaluated but not as drastically as many had wanted. In the past and even into the republican France period, they had terms like "White" "Colored" "Black" "Mulato" "Quadrune" and these terms would describe to what degree your ancestry had black or slaves in them(they even went to like 1/364 extent to name the level of color you were). So the these classifications of people based on culturally defined categories was very repressive and arbitrary and primarily was in place because of economic necessity; It was very hard work to grow, harvest, and process sugar cane.

    One of the most interesting parts of the Haitian revolution is how "the enemy of the my enemy" caused flip flops in circumstances as the turmoil of the French revolution devoured its children like Saturn. Envoys from one revolutionary government would be sent only to be overthrown and have new envoys sent to change the orders. As a result, freedom was granted to different groups and rescinded at different times. There were times when Coloreds and White would work together and then others where it was Coloreds and Blacks, only to have that devolve into civil war because the Coloreds were just replacing the old White in the same economic system. I very much recommend a Podcast Called Revolutions by Mike Duncan. He goes through this is excellent detail and it really made me appreciate the fight for liberty and equality that the people of Haiti went through.

    So once you understand these color terms that are being applied to people of the Haitian revolution it starts to become easier to see that maybe the term WHITE can be aggressive to people and maybe it should not exist in the same way that COLORED or BLACK or MULATO should not exist. They are offensive and repressive abstractions that are set in place by force by the dominant IN GROUP and are a relic of past regimes.

    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.

    I felt I need to spam and repeat that to avoid what I know many are going to say I am.

    To destroy WHITE is only to destroy an idea, a concept of oppression.
    It is removing the mental system of oppression that is built in to the term just like the slaves in Haiti throwing off the oppression of their WHITE masters( AGAIN this has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their french heritage). It does happen to overlap but they were terms of convenience that got codified(the census?) into the law by the repressive and oppressive regime of Bourbon and early republican france.

    To truly illustrate this I will return to my OP

    When they first arrived in America, many Irish and Italians were not considered to be WHITE. They experienced a lot of racism from the humans that were already in America who didnt like new humans coming.
    So they found a way to make them the out group by calling them not WHITE enough. It was only later that Irish and Italian are now considered WHITE(this again has nothing to do with the color of your skin or of your ancestry, it happens to be what the group with the monopoly on force calls the IN GROUP right now).

    Am I mis characterizing what Irish People and Italians People went through when they came to America? I do not feel so.


    Now, I posted this because I am very upset that this Immigration thing is happening and the Stephen Miller and Trump are finally getting truly what they wanted: no more immigrants coming AT ALL. We dont quite know the specifics but given the past track record of immigration policies from this Admin, I dont expect it to be favorable to people like my wife.

    I am quite unhappy with Tintin calling me both a racist and a child in this thread.

    I expect after this post an apology from them. How dare you say I am a bigot and a racist that is incapable of having "an adult conversation"

    EDIT**
    I will admit the title of the thread was poorly chosen and I was very agitated . I would be happy to have it changed to : "POTUS will sign order banning ALL immigration to the US"
    Last edited by Praxis; 21st April 2020 at 17:34.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)

    Why didn't you post your frustrations and concerns on the Racism thread?

    I assume the point of this brand new thread is to provoke, as opposed to inspire a grown up conversation, otherwise, what is the point of this brand new thread?
    You are assuming incorrectly. I am posting an immigration topic: The president is signing an order to suspend ALL immigration in the country. We do not yet know what this will look like but given that they are not currently processing green cards, of people currently in the country legally(my wife) or of people outside the country seeking to be in America legally. Since this is the Immigration subforum and my topic is about immigration is particular. I would suggest that I am in the right place to post and discuss this issue.

    I also take offence at you calling me a child here. Un called for.

    I think it is interesting that you think it should be posted in the Racism thread. Why would say that? Is something about banning all immigration racist in some way?

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)



    You need to define and clarify your terminology? Branding anybody who is fair skinned and claims a European descent and then by more than just implying, by actually outrightly stating that they are 'white nationalists' according to your list of criteria - or, kindly, ill advised and not very bright pronouncements - only serves to provoke ire and pushback, thereby fuelling any prejudices you do seem, on the surface, to be already encumbered by.

    I am very happy that you asked this. I would love to explain my terms and why I come to use them the way I do. Please be forewarned that there will be offensive language because I am about to discuss the past and how humans of a certain descent were treated by other humans who supposed themselves better than those aforementioned humans.

    In order to properly understand what I am about to talk about and to not be labelled a racist like many have already accused me of I am going to have to give you some history of Haiti, in particular the Haitian revolution.

    You may or may not know that Haiti used to be a colony of Anciene Regime France, which means the Bourbons who ruled the country for several hundred years before until the French revolution. I am sure you are aware of this event so i will not go into detail on that.

    What you may not know is that one of the consequences of the revolution was big changes in the colonies of the french Kingdom. The long and short of it was that a class system that had developed based the color of skin and heritage of person determined the set of rights they were to be afforded under both the Bourbons and then under the Republic. When the revolution happened, this system was re evaluated but not as drastically as many had wanted. In the past and even into the republican France period, they had terms like "White" "Colored" "Black" "Mulato" "Quadrune" and these terms would describe to what degree your ancestry had black or slaves in them(they even went to like 1/364 extent to name the level of color you were). So the these classifications of people based on culturally defined categories was very repressive and arbitrary and primarily was in place because of economic necessity; It was very hard work to grow, harvest, and process sugar cane.

    One of the most interesting parts of the Haitian revolution is how "the enemy of the my enemy" caused flip flops in circumstances as the turmoil of the French revolution devoured its children like Saturn. Envoys from one revolutionary government would be sent only to be overthrown and have new envoys sent to change the orders. As a result, freedom was granted to different groups and rescinded at different times. There were times when Coloreds and White would work together and then others where it was Coloreds and Blacks, only to have that devolve into civil war because the Coloreds were just replacing the old White in the same economic system. I very much recommend a Podcast Called Revolutions by Mike Duncan. He goes through this is excellent detail and it really made me appreciate the fight for liberty and equality that the people of Haiti went through.

    So once you understand these color terms that are being applied to people of the Haitian revolution it starts to become easier to see that maybe the term WHITE can be aggressive to people and maybe it should not exist in the same way that COLORED or BLACK or MULATO should not exist. They are offensive and repressive abstractions that are set in place by force by the dominant IN GROUP and are a relic of past regimes.

    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.
    This DOES NOT mean that any human that is from European Descent should be killed or have their ways of living and cultural heritage destroyed.

    I felt I need to spam and repeat that to avoid what I know many are going to say I am.

    To destroy WHITE is only to destroy an idea, a concept of oppression.
    It is removing the mental system of oppression that is built in to the term just like the slaves in Haiti throwing off the oppression of their WHITE masters( AGAIN this has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their french heritage). It does happen to overlap but they were terms of convenience that got codified(the census?) into the law by the repressive and oppressive regime of Bourbon and early republican france.

    To truly illustrate this I will return to my OP

    When they first arrived in America, many Irish and Italians were not considered to be WHITE. They experienced a lot of racism from the humans that were already in America who didnt like new humans coming.
    So they found a way to make them the out group by calling them not WHITE enough. It was only later that Irish and Italian are now considered WHITE(this again has nothing to do with the color of your skin or of your ancestry, it happens to be what the group with the monopoly on force calls the IN GROUP right now).

    Am I mis characterizing what Irish People and Italians People went through when they came to America? I do not feel so.


    Now, I posted this because I am very upset that this Immigration thing is happening and the Stephen Miller and Trump are finally getting truly what they wanted: no more immigrants coming AT ALL. We dont quite know the specifics but given the past track record of immigration policies from this Admin, I dont expect it to be favorable to people like my wife.

    I am quite unhappy with Tintin calling me both a racist and a child in this thread.

    I expect after this post an apology from them. How dare you say I am a bigot and a racist that is incapable of having "an adult conversation"

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    I will admit the title of the thread was poorly chosen and I was very agitated . I would be happy to have it changed to : "POTUS will sign order banning ALL immigration to the US"
    Well, no apologies from me are necessary here, because I said nothing of the sort.

    You implied these things from what you yourself wrote

    "I am unhappy with Tintin calling me both a racist and a child in this thread." - No I didn't. Re-read carefully what I wrote. You implied you were with what you yourself wrote.

    "I also take offence at you calling me a child here. Un called for." - No, I didn't Re-read again carefully what I wrote. At no point did I say that.

    "How dare you say I am a bigot and a racist that is incapable of having "an adult conversation" - No, I didn't Re-read again carefully what I wrote.

    At no point did I say that although that was my inference from what you wrote.

    And I wouldn't have been the only one who scratched their head and went: "What on earth is the dude talking about?!"

    You didn't present your argument in a mature way. That's a very different thing entirely. Thanks - and I mean that - for making some effort to expand on your OP; that's, genuinely, a lot more helpful.

    I made no assumptions; the content on the OP had racially agitated views which I thought would be best placed there for further discussion. Not a problem now that you have provided more information.

    A gentle word in support: please be a little more careful with what you type in the heat of the moment. Otherwise, what you've expanded upon here from the 'Haitian' viewpoint is in fact very interesting indeed.

    I will take up your suggestion for a thread title renaming - I think that is best, and more reflective of what you were trying to start a discussion about.

    I'll change it to: "Trump administration will sign order temporarily banning ALL immigration to the US." as I believe this to be the case.

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    It is disgusting how much white nationalism is on this website and allowed...
    What if I am just you in another form Praxis?
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    I doubt Trump is any more of a racist than Biden. In the 2016 race the Dems took umbrage at Trump's refusal to speak politically correctly, so they labelled him a racist. Then they took umbrage at his stand on immigration to label him a racist. He refused to be trapped into defending their mischaracterisation of himself, so they labelled him a racist for not denying it. His racist identity fully established in their own minds, they went on to label him a fascist.

    Now there are Dems running around with face masks shaming people into fearful compliance. And some, such as Biden, call for military on the streets. While others seek to prolong the "lockdown" indefinitely. While Trump advocates lifting it to get the economy going and the unemployed back to work. And for that unwillingness to act fascistically, he is labelled, of course, a fascist. By the real fascists. It's called doublespeak. 1984. Read the book.
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    Hello Praxis,

    I'm going to come at this from a different angle, for what it's worth. I agree with TomKat; this executive order (whether one condemns or condones) has nothing to do with racism, per se, or the current administration's disdain for people of color. That may be hard to see if this policy directly affects your personal circumstances; you may be too close to see things objectively. The racism card ascribed to Trump is fully contrived by Trump's opposition and played as a political tactic, over and over, without any serious underlying substance.

    That said, let's assume for sake of argument Trump's executive order is a pretext for some anti-immigration ulterior motive. Would that motive be because the POTUS is a White Nationalist and racist? No. That's just not plausible or consistent with what's going on. That narrative is consistent with what Trump's political enemies and the Ministry of Truth want you to believe.

    I'm not saying any of us have to like it, but the anti-immigration executive order has nothing to do with racism. If one doesn't believe the executive order on its face is to abate the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, then it's all about politics. Skin color, culture, or nationality have nothing to do with it; it has everything to do with blocking peoples from entering a voting bloc that would oppose Trump in the 2020 election and his populist/anti-socialist policies. So in a sense this is still an example of prejudice, but a prejudice against political preference, not a prejudice against race.

    I hope you don't infer from my comments that I am condoning any of this. Politics can be just as ugly and disgusting as racism. But let's understand what's really going on here. Both parties are using race and manipulating groups of people to serve their political agendas; if Republicans block immigration it is because immigrating groups do not vote Republican, they vote Democrat; as soon as the Rand Corporation or any other demographic authority states otherwise you will see the "racist card" radically shift. Until then, and for the time being, Democrats pretend to have the moral high ground and offer open arms to immigrating peoples (only to stab minorities in the back with their policies) because this demographic votes Democratic.

    My two cents. I hope everything works out for you and your wife and the immigration ban doesn't complicate your circumstances.

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    Actually, this forum is becoming more and more a platform for alt right. I don't blame them for being angry, if they are in the U.S. but their anger is being misdirected Many many excellent members have left due to this. I have mixed opinions about the entirety of Praxis' sentiments, but sympathize with where they are coming from. I am astonished at the over all slant here supported by many members.

    For those who can't see it. Step back from the forum for a while and then come back and read it. It's become a bit ugly.

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    Right and Left just don't mean what they used to mean.Trump may be using the plandemic as another means of controlling the borders, but there was plenty of reason for better policing of the borders before that.
    Just consider this one article from Judicial Watch, a very credible source, among many about how the borders have been overrun with criminal activity:
    APRIL 14, 2020
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    "Mexican drug smugglers are really getting bold. A cross-border tunnel recently discovered by U.S. authorities exits in a San Diego warehouse right next to a busy Customs and Border Protection (CBP) port of entry. It gets better. The southern California warehouse is manned by Illegal immigrants even though it is situated just a few hundred yards from a hectic border crossing staffed with federal agents around the clock.

    A Mexican national with legal residency has been arrested and charged in connection to the operation, federal prosecutors announced this month. His name is Rogelio Flores Guzman and he helped construct the tunnel, which runs 2,000 feet from a Tijuana warehouse to the south San Diego depot. The U.S. has charged the 31-year-old with trafficking fentanyl, methamphetamine, heroin, cocaine and marijuana via a subterranean tunnel stretching from Mexico to a warehouse in Otay Mesa. When authorities entered the tunnel, they found around 575 packages of drugs worth nearly $30 million, according to a bulletin issued by the Department of Justice (DOJ). This sets a record because it marks the first time that five different types of drugs are found in a tunnel, according to the feds.

    Agents from a special tunnel task force confiscated 394 packages containing 585 kilograms of cocaine; 133 packages containing 1,355 kilograms of marijuana; 40 packages containing 39.12 kilograms of methamphetamine; Seven packages containing 7.74 kilograms of heroin and one package containing 1.1 kilograms of fentanyl. “Cross-border tunnels always spark fascination, but in reality they are a very dangerous means for major drug dealers to move large quantities of narcotics with impunity until we intervene,” said the federal prosecutor in charge of the case, U.S. Attorney Robert Brewer. “We have seized this tunnel, confiscated almost $30 million in drugs and now we’ve charged one of the alleged crew members.”

    Guzman moved around quite a bit, prosecutors say. He lived in the southern California city of Victorville in San Bernardino County as well as Las Vegas and Otay Mesa. He was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport last week boarding a plane to Guadalajara, Mexico. At his arraignment via video due to the COVID-19 crisis the judge ordered Guzman held without bail after the government argued that he was a flight risk. His next court appearances are scheduled for April 23 and May 7. Guzman faces up to life in prison. “Despite the challenges we all face as we endure this pandemic, our federal agents and officers who make up the San Diego Tunnel Task Force, working alongside the U.S Attorney’s Office and local law enforcement, continue to investigate and serve justice to those involved with the construction and operation of this tunnel,” said Cardell T. Morant, acting Special Agent in Charge of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) San Diego.

    Agents involved in the operation estimate that the tunnel is several months old so there is no telling the number of drugs that made it through before it got shut down. The tunnel is sophisticated with reinforced walls, ventilation, lighting and an underground rail system to facilitate transporting goods. When federal agents conducted surveillance around the middle of March, they spotted Guzman leaving the Otay Mesa warehouse in a medium sized box truck with a separate cargo area accessible only from the back of the vehicle. In the truck were 10 people who the feds reveal “later self-identified as Mexican nationals who did not legally enter the United States.” The illegal immigrants evidently worked at the warehouse that received drug cargo from Tijuana.

    There was a significant increase in Mexican smuggling tunnels after President Donald Trump increased border security in 2017. One southern California news conglomerate reported that criminal organizations in Mexico were improving the tunnels they use to smuggle people and drugs under Trump’s border fence, making them smaller and maintaining a high level of sophistication that includes railways and electricity. “In San Diego, tunnels are usually sophisticated partly because of the highly organized criminal organization operating in Baja California – the Sinaloa Cartel – as well as the characteristics of Otay Mesa, a neighborhood that exists on both sides of the border,” the article states. “In the U.S. and in Mexico, Otay Mesa is crowded with warehouses, providing numerous spaces to hide tunnel entry and exit points.” Operating one right next to a U.S. border crossing packed with federal agents is quite brazen."
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    What does legal immigration have to do with tunneling Narcos, Onawah? I know it isn't intentional, on your part, but when your response to a post about suspending legal immigration indefinitely is about drug smuggling Mexicans, it supports Praxis' original point about racism. Mexicans are lovely people.

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