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    Andrew Kaufman interviews Dawn Lester and David Parker, authors of the book "What Really Makes You ILL". A very interesting relaxing interview.


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    Andrew Kaufman interviews Dawn Lester and David Parker, authors of the book "What Really Makes You ILL". A very interesting relaxing interview.

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    Here's The Demon in the Freezer, by Richard Preston. A terrifying and fascinating book, excellently written and researched, mainly about smallpox and how it's been weaponized. (Yes, viruses exist, and do cause disease... )

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    Back in 2002 in India I met a woman on the beach with Small Pox. She was begging for money and even lifted up her skirt to show all the pox on her legs. I gave her all the money in my pockets, and she didn't think it was enough for her condition, and she tossed the money back on the ground at my feet. I picked it back up and gave it to her again, and then turned my pocket inside out, showing it was all I had at the time. After the exchange I went to the ocean and washed up.

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    Back in 2002 in India I met a woman on the beach with Small Pox. She was begging for money and even lifted up her skirt to show all the pox on her legs. I gave her all the money in my pockets, and she didn't think it was enough for her condition, and she tossed the money back on the ground at my feet. I picked it back up and gave it to her again, and then turned my pocket inside out, showing it was all I had at the time. After the exchange I went to the ocean and washed up.
    Really!! That's very highly unlikely — we hope! — that it was smallpox. (And if it was, you were extremely lucky to have survived.)

    According to every informed source, it truly has been eradicated (except in the bioweapons labs), and an outbreak anywhere — even a single case! — would be huge, very bad news. The last known cases were back in the 1970s.

    If one even skims the book, one quickly sees what an unimaginably hellish thing this is. Start at page 10 of the PDF. (The initial section is about anthrax.) Smallpox is one of the most terrible diseases a human might ever suffer.

    Here's an analogy, about viruses and the body's defenses. Of course, some people are more susceptible than others. That's why one person might catch a cold (or flu, or Covid-19) and their best friend or partner won't, or won't develop any symptoms.

    Like a wooden log cabin, and another house next to it built only of bricks and concrete. The wooden house may be destroyed in a fire, while the concrete one will survive.

    But if a nuclear bomb is dropped (smallpox), neither has a chance.

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    Health, like life, is a process. The thing we are is a swirling mass of energetic particles, restricted and assisted by a web of proteins, to take on a cyclical structure. The structure is not in the solids of the body but in the cycle of energies through the pathways of the body, which moves the solids, liquids, and gases in a continuous cycle. The thing we are is a standing wave of probability that is never the same and always changing.

    Each pathway of the body, and each organ, is a subset of frequencies of the whole, relying on and strengthened by the other frequency domains that compose the entire organism. Free movement along these organs and pathways is the optimum of health, and of life.

    Blockages can occur for many reasons. Any blockage that restricts the natural flow of resources will constitute a state of disease. The reason for this is in the word itself - the state of disease. Illness is a state, a stasis condition in the midst of the process. Process and state cannot co-exist for long. It is these blockages that have been misnomered as the various illnesses. They are static interference within the process of life. Like an ice dam on a river, flotsam and debris pile up before the clog causing local damage, and when it bursts it can be explosive, literally.

    The energy of a lifeform must flow, just like the energy of a species flows from life to life.

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    Health, like life, is a process. The thing we are is a swirling mass of energetic particles, restricted and assisted by a web of proteins, to take on a cyclical structure. The structure is not in the solids of the body but in the cycle of energies through the pathways of the body, which moves the solids, liquids, and gases in a continuous cycle. The thing we are is a standing wave of probability that is never the same and always changing.

    Each pathway of the body, and each organ, is a subset of frequencies of the whole, relying on and strengthened by the other frequency domains that compose the entire organism. Free movement along these organs and pathways is the optimum of health, and of life.

    Blockages can occur for many reasons. Any blockage that restricts the natural flow of resources will constitute a state of disease. The reason for this is in the word itself - the state of disease. Illness is a state, a stasis condition in the midst of the process. Process and state cannot co-exist for long. It is these blockages that have been misnomered as the various illnesses. They are static interference within the process of life. Like an ice dam on a river, flotsam and debris pile up before the clog causing local damage, and when it bursts it can be explosive, literally.

    The energy of a lifeform must flow, just like the energy of a species flows from life to life.
    Yes to all that. But what that describes is the natural process of a gradually weakening and malfunctioning system like natural aging (or other internal malfunctions, like diabetes, heart or kidney disease, and so on).

    When an external pathogen comes along, it just takes advantage of those weaknesses, like any predator.

    In the case of smallpox, that predator is like a T Rex. It doesn't matter if you're weak or strong.

    If infected, there's nothing one can do but pray. (Not an exaggeration.) Doctors can't treat smallpox with anything. There's absolutely nothing they can do.

    Here's a very moving account. From p.19 of the PDF of The Demon in the Freezer.

    It's well-written (as is the whole book), and terrible to read. (Genuinely here: be warned. Smallpox is the stuff of nightmares.)

    But every single person who thinks that viruses don't really exist, or that disease is ONLY an energetic dysfunction of the body, should read this.

    Just do it early in the morning, not last thing at night. I mean it. If you read it carefully from beginning to end, you may never forget it.



    ~~~


    The Student Nurse
    JANUARY 22, 1970


    Eleven days after Peter Los arrived at St. Walberga Hospital, a young woman who had been sleeping on a cot in one of the bathrooms woke up with a backache. She was a nursing student, seventeen years old, and I will call her Barbara Birke. She was small, slender, and dark haired, with pale skin and delicate features. She was a quiet person whom nobody knew much about, for she had been working at the hospital for only two weeks, and had been living in the nursing school dormitory while she received her training.

    The previous year, Barbara had been a kitchen helper in a Catholic hospital in Duisburg, where she had converted to the Catholic faith (her family was Protestant), and she had set her sights on becoming a nurse. She had spent Christmas with her family and had told her parents that she intended to become a nun, but she wanted to finish nursing school before she made up her mind. The Sisters of Mercy had reserved a place for her in the cloister.

    Barbara Birke had never seen Los's face. She always worked on the third floor of the hospital, and she had been tending to a sick elderly man in Room 352, near the head of the stairwell that went down through the middle of the building. She had received both the German vaccine and the WHO vaccine a few days earlier.

    Birke told the doctors that she wasn't feeling well, and they saw that she had a slight temperature. They immediately gave her an intravenous dose of blood serum taken from a person who was immune to smallpox. Smallpox-immune serum is blood without red blood cells - a golden liquid-and it is full of antibodies that fight the virus. They put Birke inside a plastic bag, and she lay in the bag while an ambulance carried her on the winding road to Wimbern and through the fence to the isolation unit.

    Barbara Birke developed a worried, anxious look, while a reddening flush began to spread across her face, shoulders, and arms, and on her legs. Her fever went up, and her backache grew worse. Her skin remained smooth, and no pustules appeared, although the reddening deepened in color. When the doctors pressed their fingers on her skin, turned white under the pressure, but when they released their fingertips the blood came rushing back in a moment, filling under the skin. The doctors recognized this sign, and it was very bad.

    I don't know how much the doctors told Birke of what they understood was coming. The red flush across her face deepened until she looked as if she had a bad sunburn, and then it began to spread downward toward her torso. It was a centrifugal rash that had begun on the extremities. She developed a few smooth, scattered, red spots the size of freckles across her face and arms. More red spots began to appear closer to her middle, following the movement of the creeping flush. She was forbidden to have any visitors, and there were no telephones at Wimbern that the patients could use. She couldn't speak with her family.

    The red spots began to enlarge, and there were more and more of them. They began to join together, like raindrops falling on a dry sidewalk, gradually darkening the pavement: she was starting to flood with hemorrhages beneath the skin.

    Her back hurt, but the change in her skin was painless, and she prayed and tried to remain optimistic. Her skin was growing darker and soft and a little puffy. It was slightly wrinkled, like the skin of an told person.

    The red spots merged and flooded together, until much of her skin turned deep red, and her face turned purplish black. The skin became bbery and silky smooth to the touch, with a velvety, corrugated look, which is referred to as crepe-rubber skin. The whites of her eyes developed red spots, and her face swelled up as it darkened, and blood began to drip from her nose. It was smallpox blood, thick and dark. The nursing nuns, who were wearing masks and latex gloves, dabbed gently at her nose with paper wipes and helped her pray. Smallpox virus interacts with the victims' immune systems in different ways, and so it triggers different forms of disease in the human body. There is a mild type of smallpox called a varioloid rash.

    There is classical ordinary smallpox, which comes in two basic forms: the discrete type and the confluent type. In discrete ordinary smallpox, the pustules stand out on the skin as separate blisters, and the patient has a better chance of survival. In confluent-type ordinary smallpox, which Los had, the blisters merge into sheets, and it is typically fatal. Finally, there is hemorrhagic smallpox, in which bleeding occurs in the skin. Hemorrhagic smallpox is virtually one hundred percent fatal.

    The most extreme type is flat hemorrhagic smallpox, in which the skin does not blister but remains smooth. It darkens until it can look charred, and it can slip off the body in sheets. Doctors in the old days used to call it black pox. Hemorrhagic smallpox seems to occur in about three to twenty-five percent of the fatal cases, depending on how hot or virulent the strain of smallpox is. For some reason black pox is more common in teenagers.

    The rims of Barbara Birke's eyelids became wet with blood, while the whites of her eyes turned ruby red and swelled out in rings around the corneas. Dr. William Osler, in a study of black-pox cases at the Montreal General Hospital that he saw in 1875, noted that "the corneas appear sunk in dark red pits, giving to the patient a frightful appearance." The blood in the eyes of a smallpox patient deteriorates over time, and if the patient lives long enough the whites of the eyes will turn solid black.

    With flat hemorrhagic smallpox, the immune system goes into shock and cannot produce pus, while the virus amplifies with incredible speed and appears to sweep through the major organs of the body. Barbara Birke went into a condition known as disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), in which the blood begins to clot inside small vessels that leak blood at the same time. As the girl went into DIC, the membranes inside her mouth disintegrated. The nurses likely tried to get her to rinse the blood out of her mouth with sips of water.

    In hemorrhagic smallpox, there is usually heavy bleeding from the rectum and vagina. In his study, Osler reported that "haemorrhage from the urinary passages occurred in a large proportion of the cases, and was often profuse, the blood coagulating in the chamber pot." Yet there was rarely blood in the vomit, and somewhat to his surprise Osler noticed that some victims of hemorrhagic smallpox kept their appetites, and they continued to eat up to the last day of life. He autopsied a number of victims of flat hemorrhagic smallpox and found that, in some cases, the linings of the stomach and the upper intestine were speckled with blood blisters the size of beans, but the blisters did not rupture.

    At the biocontainment unit at Wimbern, the victim's deterioration occurred behind the chain-link fence, in a room out of sight. Dr. Paul Wehrle may have visited her (he thinks not), but there was nothing he could have said to her that would have helped, and nothing any doctor could do for her. He had seen hundreds of people dying of hemorrhagic smallpox, and he no longer felt there was any medical distinction among types and subtypes of the bloody form, that it was all an attempt by doctors to impose a scheme of order on something that was just a mess. By the time I spoke with him, the cases had flowed together in his mind, and he felt there was an inexorable sameness in the patients as the bleeding and shock came on. "It was perfectly horrifying," he said.

    Barbara Birke remained alert and conscious nearly up to the end, which came four days after the first signs of rash appeared on her body. For some reason, variola leaves its victims in a state of wakefulness. They see and feel everything that's happening. In the final twenty-four hours, people with hemorrhagic smallpox will develop a pattern of shallow, almost imperceptible breaths, followed by a deep intake and exhalation, then more shallow breaths.

    This is known as Cheyne-Stokes breathing, and it can indicate bleeding in the brain. She prayed, and the nuns stayed with her. The Benedictine priest, Father Kunibert, who had offered communion to Peter Los, ended up at Wimbern himself with a mild case of smallpox. He may have given Birke her last rites.

    As the end approaches, the smallpox victim can remain conscious, in a 'kind of frozen awareness' — "a peculiar state of apprehension and mental alertness that were said to be unlike the manifestations of any other disease," in the words of the Big Red Book. As the cytokine storm devolves into chaos, the breathing may end with a sigh. The exact cause of death in fatal smallpox is unknown to science.
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    Thanks Bill.

    I know about the smallpox virus but that was a vivid reminder.

    A virus is not a process. So it can be considered a state. A state evokes an immune response because the process has been compromised. The response attempts to restore balance to the process. This is done by harmonizing with the state in order to configure a contact or entry point or if possible to isolate the state in a resonant field. Until one of these two methods succeed there can be no effective counter-measure.

    These are the two main attack vectors of the body, the large cells that surround and consume and the antigens and specialty cells that fit to the virus like a lock in a key and then destroy it.

    A virus, which is not alive, can be considered a potential upgrade for the immune system...or it can be considered a poison, depending on the body's ability to adapt.

    Smallpox is a poison.

    It is the medical establishment that has blurred the distinction. That is on them.

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    Thanks for that informative extract, Bill. Small-pox is an absolute catastrophic disease of the human body. This extract is a powerful reminder of this disease, with impressive imagery. Though Covid-19 is mean, it has nothing on the beast that is Small-pox!
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    Chris Martenson addresses this directly in his most recent video, last night US time.

    Very wisely, Martenson states it's both — protecting against the predator pathogens (my anology), AND strengthening the immune system. Of course, he's right. It needs both.

    And the mainstream is irresponsibly, culpably, deliberately lapse in ignoring the importance of what we can easily do to be individually stronger.

    Start at 26:28:


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    Here is part 2 of the video interview with the authors:



    I realize that questioning "germ theory" is a very controversial, even on this forum, but I'm following what resonates... although, I'll admit that I was at first very resistant to investigating this--almost like "germ theory" was some sacred cow that I didn't want to question at all.

    I have purchased their book and I've also purchased "Virus Mania" and both have opened my eyes in ways I couldn't have imagined only 3 months ago. In a way, I have this "plandemic" to thank for this.

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    I too have this "planscamdemic" to thank for enlightening me. I had read about germ theory versus terrain theory years ago but had never followed it up, now we have a great chance to see the truth of what has been happening in the allopathic medical system.
    Nothing seems to have been proved, not the infection myth, not the virus myth. Much has been presumed and we all go along and believe it all, after all these are doctors who know everything.
    But over the years experiments have been carried out attempting to infect healthy people from sick people, by chatting and coughing in their faces and not one succumbed to an infection.
    No virus has been isolated and proved to have caused a disease.
    I believe now that we have all been lied to and made to believe this hoax and it has affected people all over the world.

    It makes me angry to see the affect this is having on everyone.

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    No virus has been isolated and proved to have caused a disease.
    Ahem! Not at all true. I know that you mean well, but it's just not.

    What you say may apply to the common cold (people can come down with a cold simply from being run down, because the common cold coronavirus is just everywhere), but not for more serious diseases.

    Do read about the history of smallpox (and also ebola, for instance), and the billions of dollars spent in biowarfare labs in the US, the old Soviet Union and present-day Russia, and almost certainly China and India. Those biowarfare engineers were never dummies working with placebos.

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    thank you Bill, I am no scientist so cannot debate with you. I read and listen to many doctors and like you, many believe the accepted narrative. The Germ theory is fairly new, Pasteur suggested it and then possibly rejected it around 1860. It has never been proved and in fact experiments have shown it not to be true. One thought I have is that virus the word could be changed to poison and then we'd understand what is going on better. It seems that a virus is formed when toxins are ejected from a cell, so it is made in a body not outside. What is happening in biowarfare I have no idea, apart from poisons produced to be unleashed somehow on us, from food, water the air. I don't know.

    Here is a video if you have time to watch that I found very informative and helpful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll__gWch99E&t=399s

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    No virus has been isolated and proved to have caused a disease.
    Ahem! Not at all true. I know that you mean well, but it's just not.

    What you say may apply to the common cold (people can come down with a cold simply from being run down, because the common cold coronavirus is just everywhere), but not for more serious diseases.

    Do read about the history of smallpox (and also ebola, for instance), and the billions of dollars spent in biowarfare labs in the US, the old Soviet Union and present-day Russia, and almost certainly China and India. Those biowarfare engineers were never dummies working with placebos.
    And I can say that, as a biotechnology graduate and having worked for a few years in the biotechnology industry, that Bill is 100% accurate.

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    Germ theory is similar to many other mainstream scientific narratives, close but no cigar.

    It reminds me of the Copernican model of the universe. With its cycles within cycles, epicycles, to explain the planet's retrograde motion. There are even physical models that reproduce the complex Ptolemaic patterns to agree with observation. It explains the motions of the planets exactly - but it was wrong.

    In other words, just because a model agrees with observation and can make predictions does not make it correct, it merely makes a case for itself - until it doesn't.

    One thing we can learn from the history of science is that theories and models come and go. And that when a model or theory begins to require more and more fudging, special case exceptions, it is probably incorrect and needs replacing.

    Not saying germ theory is in this category, but there are many examples and instances where the fine details seem to be in conflict with observation.

    The terrain model holds promise as an alternate method of viewing the dynamics of infection and disease. If it is accurate it may provide some insight into many intractable problems with modern medicine.

    As science in general and medicine in particular become ever more specialized, the working model is being stretched to its limits and far too much theoretical work is predicated upon assumptions never empirically tested. This is leading to increasing potential dangers as mistakes build up in the theories, while more assumptions are made to advance mostly technological advances and not basic observational experimentation.

    So although germ theory is the present theory of choice, as is the Big Bang theory and evolution, they are beginning to unravel at the ends...

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