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    Russia suffered the most and defeated the Germans, in the final analysis. If it hadn't been for their incredible strength, tough mindedness and ability to endure what would have psychologically destroyed many other nations, including Britain, Canada, and other allies, we would all be Nazis now.

    Allied countries practice revisionist history in a more thorough way than the Russians.

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)

    And NATO is a ridiculous thing, Russia asked to join and was refused
    From what I recall, it was not exactly a refusal...everyone just stared at the Russian blankly, and no one was able to speak.

    I still think the whole thing is mostly British.

    It would not have been, because Queen Victoria was madly in love with the Tsar, but their parents forbid the marriage.

    So you get Swiss-British backed Bolsheviks.

    Germany did not exist until 1871, and about as soon as it did, Britain realized it was an economic superpower, and everything has been done to clamp it down and prevent partnership with Russia.

    According to Aldous Huxley, WWII was already planned in the 1930s, which basically was to get France to stand down and capitulate. Then the Soviet Union was to be destroyed, or, at least, heavily damaged, at which point Germany would get obliterated from the apparently tame French direction. This was arranged privately between Paris, Berlin, London, and New York. Governments do not stand in their way, but obey. Whole thing is more or less a script. Just for the purpose of making Germany as a whole be "part of the system" instead of an independent power.

    I do not personally blame the German nation that much or see them as being much different from other countries, and most of the stuff that is said about it is grossly exaggerated. The one thing we can say that is true is that the central bank was kicked out and they made real German money, which is what rebounded them between wars.

    All of our criticisms about central banking mostly stem from Ezra Pound, who was an avowed Fascist, at least along these lines. General Patton said "looks like we fought on the wrong side", and he got run over, twice. That is because he was not very impressed by the Soviets and figured out something about business and finance which Germany, at least, purged.

    In terms of purging of dissident human beings, Stalin and Mao are about as high as you can get.

    In military terms, the German campaign against the Soviets was basically insane, and seems to have little purpose other than what Huxley described. The prevention of the whole war probably would not have been physical containment of the German military, but, rather, not having machinated against the country ever since it was born.

    At any rate, yes, most of the "victory" is due to the Soviets, but only the military surrendered. Nazi command never has.

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    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Hi Masha, I and anyone who is honest about the situation, realize that the victory in WW2 was in large part due to the incredible price the soviet people paid. It is totally unfair, and quite frankly incompetent, for someone assessing the outcome of that conflict not to understand this.

    And, yes, not allowing Russia to be atleast an associate member of NATO was also incompetent on NATO's part. This world should be disarming in the post cold war era, but instead the same old war mongers have control of public policy in the USA, China and Russia. Time to grow up folks!

    Now, in the name of fairness, and ignoring idiots who don't give credit where credit is due, we need to give the USA credit for its contributions in ww2 as well. I know having grown up in a former British colony, that the situation was very bleak for Britain in 1939 ± 40, especially after Dunkirk. The USA kept supplying Britain during those bleak days with essential war products and food. Britain might not have made it without it.

    Then, in the Pacific war against Japan, the USA was fundamentally on its own, and fought that war well against a tenacious opponent.

    And as I said in a previous post, the US air power is what finished off both Germany and Japan.

    Certainly, if Germany had not attacked the Soviets, Britain likely would have fallen. In that scenario, I can't see that peace would have lasted long betweent Germany and the USSR, and what would have been the outcome?

    I think the fair assessment here is that the allies all needed each other to win WW2, and thank God they did work together because I doubt civilization would have survived if they hadn't. Look at what a harm the Project Paperclip Nazis have caused.

    So, Masha, please try to forgive the embiciles who ignore the true facts of Victory Day. The truth is we needed everybody on board to win that fight, and thankfully we did.
    All nations involved need to be thanked for it, the US may have been a big part of war against Japan but they did not do it alone, that's what bothers me a bit, to claim "they did it on their on" when actually there were tons of countries providing the resources to achieve success. Without minerals, oil and all other resources, there would have been no planes, or boats, or guns enough to win anything at all, it was channeled through the US but the original contribution came from several other countries

    To be fair, all those countries should be named and honored as well

    Tired

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    The U.S. probably ranks first among nations for murdering dissident persons on its own soil, if there is a competition here.

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    The U.S. probably ranks first among nations for murdering dissident persons on its own soil, if there is a competition here.
    It is perhaps ironic they have attacked half the countries on that liberty victory poster.

    I might say it is first if you get what I mean by Soft Kill, which is the slow spooky side of the "bullet in the head" Hard Kill that took place in the east--otherwise I am not sure what it would be?

    Dissent is tolerated because it is pretty much stifled by the lack of any political process.

    The Japanese surrender has a lot to do with what we might call Anti-Communism, after General MacArthur and MacArthur II, for which, on the ground, they used Tibet and the China KMT relocated to Taiwan to prevaricate and harass the Chinese, while setting up the Golden Triangle and trying to subvert Vietnam. This is the camp of John Birch Society, American Security Council, Alex Jones, etc., thoroughly propagandized, or more specifically, disinformative.

    As to whether that happened, or if the military and CIA like each other, they don't. The CIA has the ability to work with the military and use some of their transport. Anyway from personal testimony from someone who served in the military in Laos, they were out wandering in the wilderness and found a hut. So they checked it out and there was one guy who was about seven feet tall and apparently a cannibal since the hut contained a lot of human remains. There was not much else in it except for one table where he was sitting, which was covered with a pile of heroin about two feet thick. The guy got up aggressively and so of course they killed him but, it was outrageous, they had to shoot him about eighteen times before he quit coming forward.

    Heroin is not something a wilderness cannibal usually has, so, he was believed to be an exchange point or something like that. Aside from me believing the incident, it is not enough to take anyone to court, so it doesn't help much.

    Agitating Japan by a fuel embargo and allowing it to scuttle a fleet which was all slated for repairs or decommission opened the door for some new connections to be made, at the very least. If MacArthur had his way, he wanted to drop multiple atomic bombs all across the border of the Korean peninsula so the whole connection to China would be nothing but destruction and fallout.

    Edit: I bothered to look at whatever embarrassing thing my official said, which is closely based in the Anti-Communist ethics.

    Pompeo said in a statement on Saturday: “75 years ago the United States and its allies stood together to rid the world of the Nazis and their hate-based ideology. Today, we face a grave threat to regional peace by another criminal system.”

    It colluded with French and German betrayers to beat Germany into submission and then gave the Nazis powerful jobs in its own ranks.

    The crime that he speaks of is the replacement of a regime installed by a CIA coup.

    “We call again on the international community to join us to stop the largest sponsor of Antisemitism.”

    Well, if he said Anti-Zionism, it would be true. The racism he implies is false because the actual Israelis have been living in Iran ever since they lost their homeland. In fact they have been completely happy and integrated in that general area.

    The Zionist diaspora and return he is favoring are Edomites, which, in the ritual sense of the religion, are no longer Jews. Semitic is not really the right word for any of it, but, we have to go down to his level to interpret it.


    Pompeo said that the Americans and the Middle East are in a safer situation after the United States withdrew from the nuclear agreement with Iran two years ago.

    If this even means anything, I have yet to find out.
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    24 June 1945 USSR:
    Victory Parade (1945) [Subtitled]
    (18:21 min.)
    "On 24 June 1945, a scant six weeks following the Fall of Berlin and the end of the Great Patriotic War, residents of the USSR’s capital city were treated to the spoils of victory – a massive military parade.

    Organized and undertaken on the direct orders of Stalin himself, the 1945 Victory Parade was (and remains) the largest ever held on Moscow’s Red Square. 40,000 soldiers, sailors, and other service personnel accompanied by 1,850 tanks, artillery pieces, and assorted equipment were mobilized for the occasion. (Alas, overcast skies and steady rain prevented a planned flyover by Red Air Force pilots).

    The most memorable moment of the two-hour long procession came as Soviet troops bearing the regimental standards of former Nazi units cast them to the ground in front of Lenin’s Mausoleum – while The Leader and his closest Party comrades gazed down from atop the edifice.

    The 1945 Victory Parade was, of course, preserved for posterity. The official version, compressed into less than twenty-minutes, but recorded in color (on film stock seized from German studios) was subsequently distributed throughout the country and, in time, the wider world. A version containing English subtitles accompanied by a terrible voice-over has been available for years on YouTube and across the Interwebs."


    12 January 1946 USA:
    U.S. WWII Victory Parade - New York - 1946
    (14:15 min.)
    "The 1946 New York City Victory Parade, held on January 12, 1946 to celebrate the victorious conclusion of the Second World War. The parade was led by 13,000 men of the 82nd Airborne Division under General James M. Gavin, followed by a detachment of Sherman tanks, jeeps, and self-propelled howitzers, and accompanied by a fly-by of glider towing C-47's. A ticker tape parade that was closely covered by the news, it began at Washington Square and marched up Fifth Avenue, and was reported to be four miles long. Present at the parade were New York Governor Thomas E. Dewey, New York City Mayor William O'Dwyer, and former New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia.

    Newsreels:
    1. "82nd Division in Victory Parade" [RKO-Pathe] (0:00)
    2. "New York Salutes Airborne Division Home From Europe" (3:25)
    3. "82nd Invades New York: 5th Avenue Victory Parade Thrills City" [Esso] (5:24)

    Marches:
    1. "On the Square" by Frank A. Panella (1916) (0:00)
    2. "U.S. Field Artillery March" by John Philip Sousa (1917) (3:00)
    3. "National Emblem" by Edwin Eugene Bagley (1906) (5:44)
    4. "Bravura" by Charles E. Duble (1918) (8:43)
    5. "American Legion" by Charles Wesley Parker (1920) (11:39)"


    8 June 1946 UK
    Victory Parade - London - 1946
    (10:04 min.)
    "Movietone is proud to present in two massive processions, mechanised and marching, the men and women whose part in victory made this day possible."
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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