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    This is a very relevant conversation and it has been done in a manner that is translatable to a wider audience outside of the UFO-Research Community.

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    Steven Greer, founder the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence has a virtual sitdown with Patrick Bet-David and discussed his new movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind

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    Excellent. Patrick Bet-David, an Iranian-American, is a good interviewer on a wide range of subjects, with a huge audience (2.34 million subscribers, many of whom won't know a thing about UFOs). So this is a major interview, with one foot straddling into the mainstream.

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    Bookmarked it for later viewing.

    I follow Greer's work for quite a while now and have seen this one and his latest movies too (Sirius Disclosure, Unackknowledged). However I did not find a lot of 'new' info in that latest one.

    All in all over the years, of course he did some really valuable disclosure work, especially with documenting all of the whistleblower's statements and the obtaining and publishing of formerly secret files. Started reading his book 'Unackknowledged' where there's much more in it, but not yet finished it.

    I also like how he always stresses that consciousness is involved in contacting ETs and in their existence that is not just physical, which still goes against the mainstream of ufologism who are still of the 'nuts-n-bolts' materialist type.

    I admit though I am sometimes skeptical of some of his claims or his antics before the camera (e.g. his crying that seemed a little too acted to me, but maybe I am doing him unjustice). Some of the shown lights in the sky (vids, photos) during his CE5 sessions are also not too convincing to me.

    Yet his CE5 protocol is interesting and I believe it works anyway. Actually I would like to test it myself with some like minded people one day. Difficult for me though since you hardly find like-minded people in the real world instead of social media / internet groups and also I'm quite an introverted person.


    But maybe the protocol also works when you do it alone?

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    Default Re: Classified Alien Encounters Revealed (important Steven Greer interview)

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    I admit though I am sometimes skeptical of some of his claims or his antics before the camera (e.g. his crying that seemed a little too acted to me, but maybe I am doing him unjustice).
    I can only offer an opinion that it looked and felt genuine to me, I would hope it wasn't contrived irrespective of whether the underlying conflict was survivors guilt or something equally difficult to communicate.

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    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs evil, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
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    Quote Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
    Bookmarked it for later viewing.

    I follow Greer's work for quite a while now and have seen this one and his latest movies too (Sirius Disclosure, Unackknowledged). However I did not find a lot of 'new' info in that latest one.

    All in all over the years, of course he did some really valuable disclosure work, especially with documenting all of the whistleblower's statements and the obtaining and publishing of formerly secret files. Started reading his book 'Unackknowledged' where there's much more in it, but not yet finished it.

    I also like how he always stresses that consciousness is involved in contacting ETs and in their existence that is not just physical, which still goes against the mainstream of ufologism who are still of the 'nuts-n-bolts' materialist type.

    I admit though I am sometimes skeptical of some of his claims or his antics before the camera (e.g. his crying that seemed a little too acted to me, but maybe I am doing him unjustice). Some of the shown lights in the sky (vids, photos) during his CE5 sessions are also not too convincing to me.

    Yet his CE5 protocol is interesting and I believe it works anyway. Actually I would like to test it myself with some like minded people one day. Difficult for me though since you hardly find like-minded people in the real world instead of social media / internet groups and also I'm quite an introverted person.


    But maybe the protocol also works when you do it alone?
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    Maybe it would be a good idea to do a google search for 'doing Greer CE5 protocols alone' before trying this? As far as 'Greer's Tears' go. it would make a great title for a tell-all book about an aging guru who infuses what could be true with what he hopes is true.

    Guru has to keep the narrative going until he retires to keep the money coming in, so he exaggerates and grandstands. He had great promise but quiet research wasn't for him. After his initial highly credible disclosure events his venture became a commercial enterprise--with all the associated problems.

    But....he is a smart guy and shouldn't be entirely dismissed. It's difficult to know what to take siriusly with him though!

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs bad, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
    For sure. But we do live in a world where we have to deal with polarity, like it or not. The question is whether that should define our relationship with interdimensional or physical beings from elsewhere. Maybe the values of victim oppressor, parasite host are extended throughout the physical universe?

    Thanks for introducing this topic. Its worth thinking about.

    Here is some polarity for you!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GTarvSkw3Y

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    I can only offer an opinion that it looked and felt genuine to me, I would hope it wasn't contrived irrespective of whether the underlying conflict was survivors guilt or something equally difficult to communicate.
    He did it twice and this was the 2nd time. I do not know where the first short crying fit was, maybe in a previous movie or any YT interview. It just each time felt a little awkward. He also himself mentioned the 'survivor's guilt' as a reason for his crying in that interview. I know he went through a lot of hard stuff and I like him, so I like giving him a benefit of the doubt. Still it is a kind of tears-on-command thing that seemed somewhat out-of-place for me, also the way he returned to normal in an instant again and went on talking, just as normal.

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    It's difficult to know what to take siriusly with him though!
    Haha, this pun made my day.

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    If I remember correctly, Greer gets into some gratuitous boo hoo hoo moments that don't fit the circumstances. In one of his films, he starts to cry about a collegue who died decades ago. I don't know anyone who has been widowed that long who tears up about their late husbands, wives. It's just odd. Most people, women included will stifle tears or request cameras stop rolling when they are emotionally overwhelmed.

    But...he can be hamming it up to make a more interesting dramatic film and be telling some truth at the same time. The two aren't mutually exclusive. He may have even been asked to cry by the director.

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    I actually posted about this when Unacknowledged first came out. Here's what I wrote almost exactly 3 years ago, in May 2017. The segment was cleverly edited, but maybe not quite cleverly enough.

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    Here we go again. People promoting themselves instead of their work.
    Yep. Go look at the short segment beginning at 46:28 (Paula/RunningDeer? ), where Greer is crying — apparently because he was asked to brief the CIA director back in the 1990s.

    That segment is faked. He's really crying, for sure, but if you look very carefully, you can see the way it's been very cleverly cut, and stitched together, when he's shedding tears he's talking about something else. (My guess: the death of a colleague, the rest of which was edited out.)

    He's 100% certainly not in tears because he had to brief the CIA director. But the PR impression deliberately given is that of an innocent man of honor who is emotionally devastated when he discovers the extent of the hall of mirrors.

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    That incident when Greer was actually crying might well have been in 2014.
    He wrote here: https://siriusdisclosure.com/special...from-dr-greer/
    ..."I would like to thank all of your for your support during the past year. 2014 was a year that saw many challenges, first with my dear friend Carol DeLuca being diagnosed with Stage 4 breast cancer and then in June my beloved wife Emily being stricken with Stage 4 Lymphoma."
    If I recall accurately, DeLuca died, and I think I recall Greer saying that he thought she had been targeted, no doubt because of the work she was doing with him.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I actually posted about this when Unacknowledged first came out. Here's what I wrote almost exactly 3 years ago, in May 2017. The segment was cleverly edited, but maybe not quite cleverly enough.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by CurEus (here)
    Here we go again. People promoting themselves instead of their work.
    Yep. Go look at the short segment beginning at 46:28 (Paula/RunningDeer? ), where Greer is crying — apparently because he was asked to brief the CIA director back in the 1990s.

    That segment is faked. He's really crying, for sure, but if you look very carefully, you can see the way it's been very cleverly cut, and stitched together, when he's shedding tears he's talking about something else. (My guess: the death of a colleague, the rest of which was edited out.)

    He's 100% certainly not in tears because he had to brief the CIA director. But the PR impression deliberately given is that of an innocent man of honor who is emotionally devastated when he discovers the extent of the hall of mirrors.
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    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs bad, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
    For sure. But we do live in a world where we have to deal with polarity, like it or not. The question is whether that should define our relationship with interdimensional or physical beings from elsewhere. Maybe the values of victim oppressor, parasite host are extended throughout the physical universe?

    Thanks for introducing this topic. Its worth thinking about.

    Here is some polarity for you!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GTarvSkw3Y
    It all depends on where one stands, his/her view point. The mind can only see polarities because it is its very nature to separate and divide. Even if you "meet" god and you are still identified with the mind, you will instantly debunk him and start categorizing pros and cons.

    The next step for humanity is functioning with the Heart as a center, because its nature is unifying instead of dividing. I'm not saying it in a new agey vague way. It's very practical. In the video I can see is a tiger being harassed by a loud motorbike, using her natural instincts and a couple of humans obviously running away. Where is the polarity coming from? The fear of conflict or death?

    Can the victim/aggressor concept be applied to examples like two galaxies merging and creating all kind of space havoc, a river crushing on rocks, a personal accident that made us rethink life and become more conscious?

    The key is to be open to the natural flow of evolution and change. The resistance to it, is called pain. The mind deals with it by calling it polarity.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound like a guru. I'm far from applying this in my life, but I can see that this is our path.

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    I think about it in the same lines ..human minds have been moulded, tested, pushed through countless conflicts shared with collective consciousnesses, passed from generation to generation.

    The only true liberation from those is “no human mind at all”.
    Some of the dedicated Zen teachers abbreviated it to “no mind”.
    But Buddha himself did not abbreviate, he had to talk and explain patiently for ages so that people got chance to grasp the meaning.

    “Human mind” being a chaos is taken for granted. A vulnerable collection of axioms, memories and habits. No matter how well we sort our “human mind” the Universe is bigger. There will always be another surprise and stress of decisioning waiting ahead of us.

    It’s true that in the current stage of mentally fast evolving humanity, Heart is the most important focal point. Heart too has it’s neurones and memory cells and intelligence to guide us. It’s very important to start paying attention to what it says.
    Broken hearts can historically speaking, result in personal sometimes collective tragedies. Sometimes people die or kill each other for the ethical principle being broken or their love taken away from them.
    Modern medicine may have to come in good terms with this quite yet.
    So far most of our modern medical systems are insufficient in the equation and can not make link between mind, body and the rest.


    Since no one can protect the truth of heart, we ourselves have to do. Shield it from other peoples minds and intrusions.

    It’s quite a sensitive matter and everyone have their unique choices.

    ETs and the communication with them depend on the Crown and whether this living intelligence in you that is beyond human mind is open or not.
    It’s easy for children and young people to connect while their chakras are still, naturally opened.

    Once and if “capped” by one of the human rituals of passage that occur everywhere from Universities, religious organisations and families alike, or by employment with powerful bosses,
    this frail cosmic centre closes and disconnects while keeping heads down “focusing on the work”.
    It’s a mean thing not many common people know about really and why they can’t connect to other worlds.

    It’s done precisely with that intent of “cutting possible interference” and subduing them so they feel “only human” and willing to perform automatic labour.

    I can quite imagine that without imposing heavy hierarchies and subjugating rituals we would have actually many more people roaming around freely, thinking freely ..talking to the Stars.

    There is whole higher yoga doctrine and disciplines behind that can help to fix the problem.
    But of course- the Crown chakra, centre functioning on Universal level is another “problem” to care about. It’s not on and off button thing, it’s certainly more like telescopic antenna apparatus or a dish that collects frequencies and messages from elsewhere then lets the brain to decipher them the same way computer processor does.
    The technical SETI just copied the system from us as living entities the same way planes and choppers were inspired by aerodynamics of flying insects.

    It’s a sensitive apparatus that operates beyond human “self” and its many needs.


    The paradox of our time is in the crude minds and violent traits throwing stones and deception against the “subtle”.
    People aren’t satisfied with sight of beautiful painting, they want to “own it” instead.

    But there is nothing we own really in the Universe unless we have created it with our own hands and the piece of “human space” we are entitled to.

    I don’t want to drift away from the topic.

    For most “well capped” humans not wishing to liberate themselves and/or go quite rogue and off topic dancing with the Universe ,
    heart is definitely the most important to cultivate since it holds keys to most of the mysteries, past and future.


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    This just makes sense, 5th kind is a must watch

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    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs bad, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
    For sure. But we do live in a world where we have to deal with polarity, like it or not. The question is whether that should define our relationship with interdimensional or physical beings from elsewhere. Maybe the values of victim oppressor, parasite host are extended throughout the physical universe?

    Thanks for introducing this topic. Its worth thinking about.

    Here is some polarity for you!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GTarvSkw3Y
    It all depends on where one stands, his/her view point. The mind can only see polarities because it is its very nature to separate and divide. Even if you "meet" god and you are still identified with the mind, you will instantly debunk him and start categorizing pros and cons.

    The next step for humanity is functioning with the Heart as a center, because its nature is unifying instead of dividing. I'm not saying it in a new agey vague way. It's very practical. In the video I can see is a tiger being harassed by a loud motorbike, using her natural instincts and a couple of humans obviously running away. Where is the polarity coming from? The fear of conflict or death?

    Can the victim/aggressor concept be applied to examples like two galaxies merging and creating all kind of space havoc, a river crushing on rocks, a personal accident that made us rethink life and become more conscious?

    The key is to be open to the natural flow of evolution and change. The resistance to it, is called pain. The mind deals with it by calling it polarity.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound like a guru. I'm far from applying this in my life, but I can see that this is our path.
    Here is something to consider, taking your idea here into consideration. All living entities do a very quick "friend or foe" analysis when encountering a novel animal vegetable or mineral. That covers the predator/prey dynamic. But here is where it gets hinkey. That quick reflexive and subconscious assessment doesn't work well with in the animal world when it comes to parasitism, as parasites can do an end run around it by hijacking the very organ responsible for this kind of analysis.

    Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease cause by the toxoplasma gondii parasite. The parasite has a complicated reproductive strategy that requires it to infect rodents, in such a way that they no longer fear predators, particularly cats. The cats kill and eat these friendly mice and the eggs of the parasite are then passed through the stool of the cat. I think I have this memorized correctly.

    Some researchers think this disease effects humans. If women are affected by the disease, in utero, they become promiscuous and overly trusting, according to some researchers.

    If you take it a step further, would they also be subject to spiritual and or religious ideas that make them more amenable to the idea that we have to get beyond polarity?

    If you take it a step further than that, could a highly advanced parasite, interdimensional or otherwise, arrange some kind of brain alteration, in ways we don't understand?

    Just a thought.

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    Default Re: Classified Alien Encounters Revealed (important Steven Greer interview)

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    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs bad, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
    For sure. But we do live in a world where we have to deal with polarity, like it or not. The question is whether that should define our relationship with interdimensional or physical beings from elsewhere. Maybe the values of victim oppressor, parasite host are extended throughout the physical universe?

    Thanks for introducing this topic. Its worth thinking about.

    Here is some polarity for you!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GTarvSkw3Y
    It all depends on where one stands, his/her view point. The mind can only see polarities because it is its very nature to separate and divide. Even if you "meet" god and you are still identified with the mind, you will instantly debunk him and start categorizing pros and cons.

    The next step for humanity is functioning with the Heart as a center, because its nature is unifying instead of dividing. I'm not saying it in a new agey vague way. It's very practical. In the video I can see is a tiger being harassed by a loud motorbike, using her natural instincts and a couple of humans obviously running away. Where is the polarity coming from? The fear of conflict or death?

    Can the victim/aggressor concept be applied to examples like two galaxies merging and creating all kind of space havoc, a river crushing on rocks, a personal accident that made us rethink life and become more conscious?

    The key is to be open to the natural flow of evolution and change. The resistance to it, is called pain. The mind deals with it by calling it polarity.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound like a guru. I'm far from applying this in my life, but I can see that this is our path.
    Here is something to consider, taking your idea here into consideration. All living entities do a very quick "friend or foe" analysis when encountering a novel animal vegetable or mineral. That covers the predator/prey dynamic. But here is where it gets hinkey. That quick reflexive and subconscious assessment doesn't work well with in the animal world when it comes to parasitism, as parasites can do an end run around it by hijacking the very organ responsible for this kind of analysis.

    Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease cause by the toxoplasma gondii parasite. The parasite has a complicated reproductive strategy that requires it to infect rodents, in such a way that they no longer fear predators, particularly cats. The cats kill and eat these friendly mice and the eggs of the parasite are then passed through the stool of the cat. I think I have this memorized correctly.

    Some researchers think this disease effects humans. If women are affected by the disease, in utero, they become promiscuous and overly trusting, according to some researchers.

    If you take it a step further, would they also be subject to spiritual and or religious ideas that make them more amenable to the idea that we have to get beyond polarity?

    If you take it a step further than that, could a highly advanced parasite, interdimensional or otherwise, arrange some kind of brain alteration, in ways we don't understand?

    Just a thought.
    You see, if the human mind is given too much power, it rationalizes everything, puts it in to its own realm and by using logical arguments (based on cause and effect), creates its own version of what is true. As I mentioned before, it will debunk God even it meets him. That is its fine way to distort reality and take you away from the Heart.

    I'm not calling it evil or anything. The human mind is a superb tool. It is great for math, calculations, being on time for appointments, practical, technological issues etc.. But topics like existence, intuition, spirituality are completely out of its field. It is not designed for them and that is alright. For example, you can't use your feelings or intuition to solve a math problem. They may help or guide you down the correct path, but they won't solve it for you. The mind will. The Heart cannot build a house. It may help you find the right place, make the correct choices, but the mind is the one which will make all the calculations and lay the bricks.

    In the same way, you can't find an answer for life issues with the mind. Only the Heart can do that. Again I don't mean it in an emotional way, but as deep intuition connected to spirit. The Heart can tell you what is right or wrong and the mind can later apply that in every day life.

    The change from a mind-based human to a heart-based human is what is happening at the moment on the planet. That is what new agers, spiritual people etc. call Ascension, Shift.

    So, in relation to your beautiful mental analysis, a conscious heart-based person has the ability to know if he's functioning beyond (or not) polarity, because it will feel right or wrong. That's a very generic thing to say, but behind it there's an underpinning evolved consciousness that can back it up at that moment and not just a superficial thought.

    By using the mind only, the above explanation will -again- be up for debate, since the mind is by its nature limited, hence it is unable to comprehend holistic paradigms. The heart however, can feel right away if it's right or wrong without the need for mental proof.

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    Default Re: Classified Alien Encounters Revealed (important Steven Greer interview)

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    Greer has brought so much information to the surface. But he is still under the duality paradigm that keeps humanity in illusion, us vs them, good vs bad, offender vs victim. This line of thought only reproduces the same result in a different form throughout the ages. However, it's a good first step.
    For sure. But we do live in a world where we have to deal with polarity, like it or not. The question is whether that should define our relationship with interdimensional or physical beings from elsewhere. Maybe the values of victim oppressor, parasite host are extended throughout the physical universe?

    Thanks for introducing this topic. Its worth thinking about.

    Here is some polarity for you!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GTarvSkw3Y
    It all depends on where one stands, his/her view point. The mind can only see polarities because it is its very nature to separate and divide. Even if you "meet" god and you are still identified with the mind, you will instantly debunk him and start categorizing pros and cons.

    The next step for humanity is functioning with the Heart as a center, because its nature is unifying instead of dividing. I'm not saying it in a new agey vague way. It's very practical. In the video I can see is a tiger being harassed by a loud motorbike, using her natural instincts and a couple of humans obviously running away. Where is the polarity coming from? The fear of conflict or death?

    Can the victim/aggressor concept be applied to examples like two galaxies merging and creating all kind of space havoc, a river crushing on rocks, a personal accident that made us rethink life and become more conscious?

    The key is to be open to the natural flow of evolution and change. The resistance to it, is called pain. The mind deals with it by calling it polarity.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound like a guru. I'm far from applying this in my life, but I can see that this is our path.
    Here is something to consider, taking your idea here into consideration. All living entities do a very quick "friend or foe" analysis when encountering a novel animal vegetable or mineral. That covers the predator/prey dynamic. But here is where it gets hinkey. That quick reflexive and subconscious assessment doesn't work well with in the animal world when it comes to parasitism, as parasites can do an end run around it by hijacking the very organ responsible for this kind of analysis.

    Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease cause by the toxoplasma gondii parasite. The parasite has a complicated reproductive strategy that requires it to infect rodents, in such a way that they no longer fear predators, particularly cats. The cats kill and eat these friendly mice and the eggs of the parasite are then passed through the stool of the cat. I think I have this memorized correctly.

    Some researchers think this disease effects humans. If women are affected by the disease, in utero, they become promiscuous and overly trusting, according to some researchers.

    If you take it a step further, would they also be subject to spiritual and or religious ideas that make them more amenable to the idea that we have to get beyond polarity?

    If you take it a step further than that, could a highly advanced parasite, interdimensional or otherwise, arrange some kind of brain alteration, in ways we don't understand?

    Just a thought.
    You see, if the human mind is given too much power, it rationalizes everything, puts it in to its own realm and by using logical arguments (based on cause and effect), creates its own version of what is true. As I mentioned before, it will debunk God even it meets him. That is its fine way to distort reality and take you away from the Heart.

    I'm not calling it evil or anything. The human mind is a superb tool. It is great for math, calculations, being on time for appointments, practical, technological issues etc.. But topics like existence, intuition, spirituality are completely out of its field. It is not designed for them and that is alright. For example, you can't use your feelings or intuition to solve a math problem. They may help or guide you down the correct path, but they won't solve it for you. The mind will. The Heart cannot build a house. It may help you find the right place, make the correct choices, but the mind is the one which will make all the calculations and lay the bricks.

    In the same way, you can't find an answer for life issues with the mind. Only the Heart can do that. Again I don't mean it in an emotional way, but as deep intuition connected to spirit. The Heart can tell you what is right or wrong and the mind can later apply that in every day life.

    The change from a mind-based human to a heart-based human is what is happening at the moment on the planet. That is what new agers, spiritual people etc. call Ascension, Shift.

    So, in relation to your beautiful mental analysis, a conscious heart-based person has the ability to know if he's functioning beyond (or not) polarity, because it will feel right or wrong. That's a very generic thing to say, but behind it there's an underpinning evolved consciousness that can back it up at that moment and not just a superficial thought.

    By using the mind only, the above explanation will -again- be up for debate, since the mind is by its nature limited, hence it is unable to comprehend holistic paradigms. The heart however, can feel right away if it's right or wrong without the need for mental proof.

    The world is perceived both emotionally intuitively and logically, by the mind and senses. The heart is a metaphor for emotion, if I understand you correctly. So I guess one of the things you are saying is there are two kinds of people, those who feel and those who use logic. The way you have expressed this suggests polarized thinking as well
    If you are operating with too much emphasis on feeling, to the exclusion of all of the other faculties of the mind, holism may be compromised, not the other way around.

    It's important to have emotion, intuition, mental skill and five senses working almost literally in concert. It's like a symphony, when all the instruments are playing-- a cacaphony when there are elements missing.

    As far as having a relationship with alien intelligence goes, I want all my senses and parts of my mind engaged and working...including fear, if that is possible. I want to study as much about natural systems here on this planet as I can to gauge just how different weird things might get when we come into contact with 'the other.'

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