The death of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson

[Luke Holiday]

[QUOTE=DeDukshyn;1359255]

Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
.... With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

Either way, toxicology should have zero to do with that, if we see otherwise, it will be telling.'

… Perhaps...

One thing, you might consider regarding the state's Tox report - is that it shows a drug combination that in itself is potentially lethal (and of course the MSM have reported that autopsy reports showed he also had COVID 19)- not to mention the affects it would have on behavior.


Blessings Luke

[AutumnW]

Agape, I am so sorry that you had to go through that. My heart goes out to you. I wish more people were aware of the intelligence community's role in Central and South America.

"I don’t trust anyone since, for their misogynist attitudes and effort to “blame the victim”. that is me in this case. Every man I encountered put this sour grin on their face as if I was the terrorist and there was some crime I did not admit to.
I was beaten repeatedly by sticks, almost strangled, survived half year in closed cell without escape, all in expense of your NSA." Agape

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson

From what I remember, Peterson claims that competence is what ensures advantage. Maybe I am not clear of your meaning here. But if I am reading you right you are saying that starting your own country would confer advantage that begins with the founder of hypothetical country, and accrues over generations?

Not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't quite know what your statement means. Most black Africans have been in the U.S longer than most whites, and the indigenous natives much longer.

[Luke Holiday]

excerpt from Lilly B post


1.- Aside to the fact that this gentleman GF knew his killer, they previously worked together, the ex cop, had worked as a crisis actor before..
2.- Strangely ex cops neighbors comments on Nextdoor app mentioned that they never knew He was a cop..
3.- You can check the video yourself, the police car had a license plate with word Police...Minneapolis police has all numbers
4.- His autopsy was made by the same Dr that perform Epstein..Is He the only one in USA..?
5.- Mr. GFloyd had a strange tattoo.. having strange tattoos is not the problem..but the meaning of them is.. it represents a club “Ordo Ab Chaos” strangely this tattoo was also identified on a body in several porn videos of a black man named Kimberly Brinks..
I was only able to attached 5 pic on one post.. (this 2 pending)
6.- pictures of protesters strange by piles of bricks conveniently stacked on the sidewalks for them to use..
7.- This past January a member of the attorney general of Minnesota (Jacob Frey) Democrat Keith Ellison posted on social media an extremist ANTIFA logo as a proud sign..





Lilly B


…. stellar work

[AutumnW]

The problem with developing myriad conspiracy theories around supposed pre-planning of the murder and subsequent protests, is the most important issue ends up branching out and twisting and turning and gradually ends up in a nebulous discussion with very little substance.

It is just as likely that people who are suffering greatly are finally rising up. Any planning by strong controlling forces are subsequent to the essential and central issue, murder of a black man by a cop.

Trump has been talking, "law and order." This doesn't mean he is for law and order. He is for himself, first, last and always. He enjoyed throwing gasoline on the flames and then stands back and assures people he is for "law and order."

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ok: do white people, in general, have advantages in some ways over blacks and other minorities? You could make that argument, sure. There's more of us, at least here in the states anyway. Nothing we can do about that. But look, that's exactly why you start your own country – to have advantages. There shouldn't be anything too terribly surprising or controversial about that.

Mike,

Where does Jordan Peterson's 'meritocracy of the competent' fit in here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721JQZw6Spg

i dunno. ask jordan peterson

From what I remember, Peterson claims that competence is what ensures advantage. Maybe I am not clear of your meaning here. But if I am reading you right you are saying that starting your own country would confer advantage that begins with the founder of hypothetical country, and accrues over generations?

Not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't quite know what your statement means. Most black Africans have been in the U.S longer than most whites, and the indigenous natives much longer.

I know you're not being argumentative I was just hoping i could say something glib and leave the thread for a bit because now i'm all self conscious about being wildly off topic with my rant lol

maybe we can take that bit over to the racism thread at some point? maybe more appropriate if i give you my long boring answer over there

[AutumnW]

Sure, see you over there!

[DaveToo]

Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
from Davetoo:
You mean I can call up the police from my store and tell them someone has just tried to pass off counterfeit bills and they will come down a few minutes later, arrest, and throw the person into their squad car and haul them off to the police station?

That's it!

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I said this before, they (the police and the store staff) had Floyd's plate number. Was Floyd threatening anyone? Was anyone's safety in jeopardy?


Hello Dave

Much respect! sorry to sound redundant but

… Looking at the state's toxicology reports reveals that Mr. Floyd was Fentanyl intoxicated with meth amphetamine on board. Also the police report notes that the complaint included Mr. Floyd appearing intoxicated and when confronted he resisted arrest.

I believe, in the court of law, when you combine all this, you may have justification for an arrest and the manner of restraint used - if it can be proven that standard technique/procedures were not violated.


As an aside: IMO, if the families toxicology report matches the state - the family's legal team will have a real problem successfully prosecuting.

Blessings Luke

I hear ya loud and clear Luke.

Here's a thought.

When it's convenient....

Tons of 'Covid-19 deaths' have co-morbidities, but are listed as strictly Covid-19 deaths. Period. End of story.

But throw in a co-morbidity with Floyd's death (drugs + asphyxiation) and what do you get? A co-morbid death !!!

[Sophocles]

In the news here too it’s mostly about how Trump is dividing the people, the US, that he lacks empathy, that he’s a racist, that everything he says and does just makes the people more angry, that he could be doing it to try to win the election and so on. Whatever the agenda its also clearly anti-Trump.


Also reports from different locations are saying people and the police both are being shot at (but by whom?).

• 1 dead after shots fired at protesters in Detroit: police

• Iowa woman fatally shot while leaving George Floyd protest

• Small-town police chief killed as officers in 3 cities wounded during violence at George Floyd protests

• Galesburg Man Charged With Inciting Riots in Chicago, Minneapolis

+ Armed man arrested for posing as National Guard in downtown LA


In Athens protesters threw firebombs towards the US embassy. In Sweden thousands gathered yesterday and the police used pepperspray. Protests in Copenhagen, Paris, and London too.


Looks like the three other officers at the scene of the murder of Floyd are also to be prosecuted. I really hope they do:

Attorney General Keith Ellison upgraded charges against officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck; charged other 3 involved

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Daniel Schmachtenberger’s thoughts on the current situation and some of the anomalies – fits in with the Fourth turning theory I think.

He talks about the narrative leading up to Floyd’s death, (realistic) conflict theory (and group think), game theory/politics, and how important it is not to have your own conclusions being made for you.

It’s also a problem with the election that no matter who wins almost half of the country (US) is going to think that the election was rigged or highjacked.

Making Sense of the Downward Spiral, Daniel Schmachtenberger

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GWk-ZpJdRFg

[Luke Holiday]

The creators of this 9 min video have done an excellent job of documenting/detailing and narrating upon all of the available video footage of the Mr. Floyd incident - from the time he leaves the store with the cigerettes until his death.

I must admit, after watching this incredibly disturbing video I am emotionally charged/triggered. I now believe this occurred and officer Chauvin, who kept his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck after he was clearly passed out, is supremely culpable.

I will defer to the police officers out there on whether this is proper procedure/technique in this situation.

Wrestling experience leads me to believe that there would be a different " feel" of the restrained suspect: ranging from resisting, not resisting but conscious, and unconscious.

Intuitively I would hope that police training would ensure:

1. The consciousness of the suspect is being continuously monitored.

2. Applied pressure be appropriately reduced or eliminated based on what state of consciousness the suspect is in.

The narrator also mentions:

1. According to state law -restraining forces should only be applied if the suspect is actively resisting - obviously from the video - this was not the case.

2. Body cam footage has not been released.

Again, I will defer to the police officers out there - but it does appears that the police officer did violate procedure/law in his continued use of reasonable restraining force well beyond what is normal or reasonable.

3. Pending a correction from experienced police officers: Based on this video and considering Mr. Chauvin's prior incidents, I now believe that a strong case can be made for Mr. Chauvin's conviction of involuntary manslaughter despite the toxicology report.

be well

Luke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8

[DeDukshyn]

[QUOTE=Luke Holiday;1359267]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
.... With that written: I post the question: Are the accused police officers deserving of the legal presumption: innocent until proven guilty ?
Blessings Luke

Either way, toxicology should have zero to do with that, if we see otherwise, it will be telling.'

… Perhaps...

One thing, you might consider regarding the state's Tox report - is that it shows a drug combination that in itself is potentially lethal (and of course the MSM have reported that autopsy reports he also had COVID 19)- not to mention the affects it would have on behavior.


Blessings Luke

The actual behaviour is all caught on video, including surveillance footage leading up to the arrest.

[Agape]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Agape, I am so sorry that you had to go through that. My heart goes out to you. I wish more people were aware of the intelligence community's role in Central and South America.

"I don’t trust anyone since, for their misogynist attitudes and effort to “blame the victim”. that is me in this case. Every man I encountered put this sour grin on their face as if I was the terrorist and there was some crime I did not admit to.
I was beaten repeatedly by sticks, almost strangled, survived half year in closed cell without escape, all in expense of your NSA." Agape

Thanks Autumn. I’m still on run for life to this time if you can take it, situation ongoing with that the public media is nowhere close to smart,
I have nowhere to testify.
[To correct and clarify my statement here even a little: it is not and never was my intention to speak of any of those dark matters . I’m Et witness, not a researcher to conspiracy theory or geopolitics.
There are very few people who have been exposed to anything similar, perhaps few of them can be found around this forum ..but the aspect of it being global operation and situation ongoing that can’t be stopped by any individual, from outside or inside the establishment escapes most of my best friends and uninitiated audience likewise.
No, this is not another “information leak”.
This is live situation that in itself has only limited number of outcomes]

They were more than pronounced about the role of intelligence operations in South America and almost all of the governments being run and influenced by them from their back and eventhough they are no one’s friend,
the Spanish and Portuguese patriarchy deals with them for their money, hope that’s clearly understandable.

They were well aware of looming pandemics, virus, and well prepared for any scenario from quarantine to civil war, years back already.

But of matters of importance we are not close to peak now, the situation is merely unravelling.
Quite like Covid situation turned almost unimportant after the protests took over and civil unrest seems to be “the biggest” threat we are facing,
the war goes on.

The US has just closed all passenger flights from China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52912517

That said I have no emotional attachment to “flights from China to the US”.

But they’re all getting ready.

The very move behind the Coronavirus pandemic situation was strategical. Every country got time to bring their citizens back and restore control and order under the call for “quarantine” thus test their defence abilities.

If they start war and the “top dogs” are aching to do that, mad with anger and power they could finally put on show, to “prove themselves right”,
in order to minimise damage on lives and civil property we will be under curfew again.

The nuclear situation was readying and escalating from several years back and attempts to trigger through low key players like the North Korea or Iran.
Seeing them too would be sacrificed in the big game openly,
confrontation had been triggered between China and the US.

If they start a war( and personally I pray, hope that’s the least likely possible scenario but my very mentality prevents me thinking in those avenues),
everything else as we talk of now will become subsidiary to that situation.


The likelihood of hard core ET intervention in case of global war is close to nil unless they will be trying to protect some peaceful human groups.

Well I’m placing this information in open now as it’s been discussed between us( and lots of other information). They are not necessarily “bad guys” but working under those who are much worse and want to play the game till the end.

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[pueblo]

Interesting that the same doctor (Dr. Michael Baden) who did Epstein's autopsy is also doing George Floyd's!

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/ex-nyc...-george-floyd/

[TravelerJim]

One the keys to a successful psyop is to get the public emotionally involved in the storyline you are selling at the beginning of the process, so when evidence is uncovered to suggest that what one has been told is not necessarily the truth, emotions override logic and one continues to believe the original story being told.

With the being said, this is an interesting storyline: https://thedailycoin.org/2020/06/03/...floyd-chauvin/ Now, I don't know is any of this is true, the victim and the cop worked at the same nightclub which seemed to have connections with counterfeit money laundering and the intelligence community. So, did this prior connection have anything to do with the incident? I think we MIGHT find that there is much more to this story we have been told....

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Just a broad-brush note here, in brief terms, of what's happening. Many reading this will already be fully aware, but it's another useful reminder of a possible direction of discussion.

1. Hidden factors with agendas are fueling the violent riots and looting. (Pallets of bricks are mysteriously appearing to provide ammunition, etc etc etc.)
2. The police do their best to deal with the violence, which is their job. And many of them do their best to show their sympathy for and alliance with the peaceful protestors.
3. But the US media (except for Fox News) stresses that police violence is being used against the peaceful protestors. Very little is mentioned any more about the violence and real problems occurring in inner cities every night.
4. The same is reported in many other countries. Trump's words about the need to maintain law and order are being criticized or knowingly taken out of context.
5. Videos showing the rather more shady aspects of George Floyd's lifestyle are disappearing.
6. It's starting to look orchestrated, as if the same hidden senior authority is now at work again as became evident in defining the language of global governmental Covid-19 rhetoric.
7. Right on cue, Obama is now starting to make 'presidential' speeches, the ones that Trump should be making. (Whatever you might think about either of them, Obama is a better orator, and often seems to have a better speechwriter.)

I posted the above yesterday, and I think it bears emphasizing. I have a lot of time and respect for Tucker Carlson, and he's been making similar articulate points every day.

Here's his latest, dated last night. For him, this is quite long. There's not a thing he says that I disagree with.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1qwif8PF1EI

[Kryztian]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vj7D4-VLZlQ

Keeping all the things I mind that Candace Owens just said, we still need to demand justice for George Floyd, but this should inform how we go about it.

[Agape]

New charges for all 4 officers

Finally. The other 3 attending officers, Thomas Lane, Alexandr Kueng and Tou Thao charged with aiding and abetting second-degree “taking of life”.

Can foresee how this will unravel whole new conspiracy theory because the poor dears “did not know what they were doing”.

Call Jesus on 0.0000000000001 in case that’s not true.


Pardon my trespasses


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[Paprika]

Former Black Lives Matter Ferguson Organizer Chaziel Sunz, spoke up to expose BLM, Democrats, ANTIFA, and more in the video below.

In 2017, Chaziel Sunz shined the light on who pays for ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, and what the plan is of the Democratic Party who are using these groups.

In a 2017 Article it states he was a BLM Organizer despite what his FB page says now.

Please watch below.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qkpAjfWebyh7/

[Luke Holiday]

Posted by Agape (here)
New charges for all 4 officers

Finally. The other 3 attending officers, Thomas Lane, Alexandr Kueng and Tou Thao charged with aiding and abetting second-degree “taking of life”.

Can foresee how this will unravel whole new conspiracy theory because the poor dears “did not know what they were doing”.

Call Jesus on 0.0000000000001 in case that’s not true.


Pardon my trespasses


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You may be right, one thing you might consider: is that often in these situations the senior officer will take charge and dictate the course of action. - ( Not saying it is right - just looking at it from both sides and remembering they have families as well)

Blessings Luke