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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Chauvin and Floyd worked at the same nightclub

    This incident has so many odd issues with it that eyebrows have to be raised. Here is a list of some of the anomalies:

    1) The EMT crew don't perform proper procedures such taking pulse and attempting CPR
    2) a video showing the four cops on top of floyd swings to the area of the sidewalk where the bystanders (who took the closeup of the kneeing murder) are and the sidewalk is empty
    3) the EMT staff are wearing bulletproof vests (as if they are cops)
    4) a video of the riots show mostly white people smashing up a police car
    5) the police car being smashed in the riot scene has a yellow 'off limits' plastic tape wrapped around it and no license plate (like it was a prop)

    And now here's the kicker:

    6) Chauvin and Floyd had both recently worked overlapping shifts on security at a nightclub:

    "Derek Chauvin and Floyd worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club, down the street from Minneapolis’ Third Precinct, according to Maya Santamaria, the club’s former owner who sold the venue within the last few months.

    Floyd, who Santamaria called a “great guy” known for his big smile, often worked as an extra security guard on Tuesdays when the club held popular “urban” music nights. Chauvin served as an off-duty police officer for the club for almost 17 years."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox40.c...nightclub/amp/

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Hi Edina,

    Would like to respond to your above post. I've italicized some of the points you made.

    People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

    It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.

    I can remember when I was 17. I recognized then that my enthusiastic idealism could be used against me.

    Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.

    Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
    And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop


    Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.

    I remember the riots in my town when I was growing up. Every single one of those riots were instigated by outsiders.

    I feel this is building up to something.

    The reason there were none during the time I went to that school is that we kept a close eye out on the outside instigators, and nipped the attempt to agitate a riot before it happened.

    False comparison--building on irrelevancies.

    I think people are becoming increasingly aware of how agitators come into peaceful protests and start mucking with people's head's and hide within the peaceful protesters to wreak havoc on communities.

    Oh oh, it's really building now!

    A lot of the videos I saw looked to me like Antifa were doing the main damage

    And there you have it. Perfectly played, Edina.

    Now you get to play the wounded bird, and I can catch criticism for calling you out. Played this with you before.
    Honestly, I've never had anyone intellectually parse my meaning like this before, its a new experience for me.
    I've seen people engage in this sort of behavior with others, and honestly, it feels very foreign to me.
    It's like someone listening to find fault, rather than listening to understand.

    I'm not feeling like a wounded bird. (An inaccurate assumption on your part, in fact, much of what you've written here comes off as a lot of inaccurate assumptions.)

    To me, this sort of petty nit-picking is wearisome, but let's take a look at it point by point.

    Quote People think this is just a racial issue, but in my mind, it's not just racial. It's a human issue.

    It's a human issue that just so happens to be manifesting as a racial issue. You are minimizing the problem here.
    First off, if someone feels as if this has minimized the problem, I apologize. But for me it's not, it's about the expanding the issue into the larger human domain.
    I was thinking about this in terms about what makes a difference. Again, from experience. Everyone is a human being first.
    I've thought about this a lot over the years. I've seen people suffer from prejudice and discrimination for all sorts of reasons.
    Almost everyone I know has experienced this in some form or fashion.

    Quote Subtle comparison between your naive younger self and Sarah's child. This is a form of disreputable framing. It's a soft touch but it is diluting the greater meaning of the events and the young participants.
    In my mind, I could relate to what Sarah described. As I said, my heart goes out to her. It was a statement of empathy.
    Again, my intention is not at all about diluting anyone's meaning. I simply remembered what it was like for me.
    And how at that time in my life I had this epiphany about myself.
    I was also thinking about this terms of patterns. Generational patterns and how I've observed this has play out historically.
    I'd like to hear from Sarah, if she felt that I had diminished her daughter's experience in some way, or did she feel I understood her experience?
    If she felt diminished, I apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to express a sense of connection on the topic.

    Quote Take a look at how policies affect the overall environment of a town. It seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for good while.
    And no one was listening. How can communities build ways of listening to the people, so that they are heard when problems develop

    Rioting is a last resort. You seem to be implying that these efforts haven't been tried. Again--diluting the significance of a crisis and falling back on 'improper procedure' explanation.
    Thank you for stating that from your perception I seem to be implying ..., because in fact, I'm not implying that at all. It may be more that you're inferring a meaning. My response was keeping in mind, Sarah's comment about, what do I tell my daughter, I was thinking in terms of what people can proactively do where they live now and in the future, to make a difference on this issue. Anger only gets people so far.

    Protesting is one step. But I feel the longer term solutions involves people engaging to ensure that these problems are heard as they develop. I clearly stated that it seems the people in Minneapolis had been complaining about the police for a good while. And these people weren't heard. I was also thinking about this earlier in terms of my own experiences. People on the street know who the bad cops are. I was thinking in terms of what actions need to be in place, what's happening in a town, policy-wise, to ensure these people are heard. My understanding is that they tried to be heard in Minneapolis and were not. What I expressed I feel addresses that point.

    And can be applied any place, where any one lives.

    Rioting was not what the peaceful protesters were doing. They were peacefully protesting. And those same peaceful protesters and community members felt their community assaulted by the rioters and looters.

    As to this statement:

    Quote False comparison--building on irrelevancies.
    I have no idea what this means. Honestly, who talks like this?
    It sounds like psycho-babble gobble gook to me.

    If you feel my comments are irrelevant, okay. Thank you for sharing.




    Quote Posted by edina (here)
    Today, it's much calmer in Minneapolis and people are working together to clean up the aftermath. That's were the real humanity is at, and it's what most people are like.
    Classic Edina, just classic. It must be awful to be so blindsided by my complete lack of understanding! LOL

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    BOOGALOO - Plandemic Losing Interest... So Now Here Comes Civil War, Martial Law and the Troops:
    I found the glee with which this guy was commenting on this quite nauseating. There may well be a high-level agenda here, of course. But, Jeez.
    Bill, I've seen a bunch of his videos now. That's simply his style.
    He's a good guy. He gets most of the stories straight.

    Watch almost any video of his, and he's got the same smile/smirk on his face most of the time. That's just him.
    Easy going. Some people have a more serious tone to their voice/demeanor, Max Igan for example or David Icke.

    His heart is in the right place.
    I agree, DaveToo. Jeff's heart is in the right place. He's one of the good guys. I enjoy him and his sidekick, Lucy.

    There are 283,000 subscribers on his channel. He covers a range of topics all with the goal to expand people’s perceptions. He shows how the system is not designed for the people. Jeff encourages everyone to plan ahead, stock up, stay level headed, and don’t get sucked into the fear porn.

    UPDATE: I see Jeff’s vid is taken down again. YouTube has made it a regular thing to lock down the vid count for up to six hours which effects the overall stats. It also makes it near impossible to trend on YouTube or come up on the recommended section.
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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    The last 30 minutes of George Floyds life

    Now that I’ve read what has happened in detail the whole thing makes complete sense to me. If you separate those many individual events that unrolled in fast succession and speed of avalanche it all could have happen to anybody.

    An event with blue note ? His was fake, mine flew away in the wind when I was 9( I’ve related that note accident somewhere in my previous posts), everything is a metaphor.
    In Floyds case, the young guy in the store who called cops on him played the key role.
    No you can’t blame the “blue note” that someone fake gave you but see the erroneous and unempathetic human follow up.


    Now this all event would never get any attention if the cop could actually control himself.

    And here we are in the world 3.0 where everyone adult, males and females cultivated big bodies and physical power, too big to control.

    The truth is all over the ring if you dare to noticed that. It’s there in violent sports, criminal movies, horrors and sci-fi about monsters and aliens.
    It’s in the video games and military exercises, hormones and steroids and all the bulls that have been eaten.


    I’m not going to this honestly, there’s no shortcut with it either. We all require some cultivation so do the police corps.

    It’s time for change and the change within that is breathing through us naturally needs to be true and profound. There has to be goodness coming through and acknowledgement of mistreatments. Those are more than some tiny “mistakes” to quote.

    Street fights and political wars really won’t sort this out. If people and times call for change they have to be allowed to speak their hearts and prove their intelligence.

    If the only thing you really trust even more than your mother is “system” you’re duped my friend. Live fish - dead fish


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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Unfortunately the street fight DID work, Agape. It was only after rioting began that the cop was arrested. We have to quit saying violence never works when it is sometimes the only thing that works. That's the purpose of armed battle between different tribes, govts etc...If war didn't work it would be replaced with picnics and soldiers would come armed with sandwiches.

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    I wonder, if the riots have been intentionally sparked by black ops, if part of the motivation is to create scenarios where 5G can be introduced as crowd control.
    Link to access Dr. Rashid Buttar's new talk about 5G here:
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    It is the interesting and correct parallel about the police and Israeli training. That is exactly what most of them do, there is some kind of partnership. Where I used to live was the first police department to refuse to have anything more to do with Israeli training. I am not aware that very many others followed suit. But yeah, Americans, Palestinians, same kind of target for the good old boot heel.

    I will have to go back over the original report of what started this. Something just doesn't sit right about the counterfeit situation. In any case, if they are taking this to the White House, someone needs to point out that the genuine article which this was supposedly a counterfeit of, is, itself, a type of counterfeit. That's what it was, right, a dispute about passing money in America.

    Such a note claims it is legal tender for debts, but, a takeout order is not a debt.

    The damn thing has so many things wrong with it, the just thing to do would be to throw it away, forever.

    If there was going to be violence to the extent of already killing one officer in Oakland and approaching the White House, it would be useful if that was the specific mission, to sever a counterfeit financial system that is not of the people. It has been done before, so we know it can be.

    But I have nothing in this and I have no idea who any of those people are since I skipped away from cities seeing them as prone to disease and rioting and so forth.

    "Stop the violence" is not really a single, individual thing, or, it is not concrete like if you say replace Glass-Steagall. The fact remains that there is a need for some kind of security force against the general public. Some of them are very dangerous, and, believe me, you'd rather get it from the police than from me. The example that comes to mind is the "if I had been there" moment. That was when the guy jumped in the car. He was shot. The deputies said he should have been killed. They explained how they had been given sensitivity training and there wasn't a whole lot they could really do to him. He was getting picked up all the time.

    What he did was he dove in headfirst into the passenger window. This is one of those things where, if I had been there, i. e., the passenger, I might have just killed him instantly. I am not sure. The use of force says at the moment when someone breaks a plane of entry, you can do pretty much anything to them. You cannot, for example, afterwards, chase them and shoot them in the back, but if someone busts in your door or window or whatever, you can twelve gauge them in the face.

    So when I see this stuff going on, the public isn't looking much better. We are just simple defensive people who freely admit that we will respond with force, which would mostly be in a manner that the sheriff would say.

    I heard from St. Paul it was serious; I am not sure about the rest of it.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Unfortunately the street fight DID work, Agape. It was only after rioting began that the cop was arrested. We have to quit saying violence never works when it is sometimes the only thing that works. That's the purpose of armed battle between different tribes, govts etc...If war didn't work it would be replaced with picnics and soldiers would come armed with sandwiches.
    I see. I did not know that. It’s because I don’t go to those places because I don’t have the physical.

    I don’t have the strength to defend myself physically or snap back at attackers, in any manner and from years of my monastic upbringing I can but use my Mind for self defence.

    So there are places I better don’t go.


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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Good thread.

    The MN governor yesterday morning said that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. He then walked it back later in the day, I assume after he was talked to.

    Barr then talked about the same thing, and even singled out Antifa as a group playing in this arena. I am sure then that Trump and everyone else knows this is an organized effort.

    I am sure justice will be done to these four cops.

    To me the question to focus on is why are the Deep State operatives moving now in such an egregious way, and wat measures will be taken to stop them.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by ahamkara (here)
    Keeping close tabs on my son living in downtown LA. There is no where near the level of palpable rage in Los Angeles as when the Rodney King riots broke out. LA was literally on fire - smoke everywhere and widespread looting and violence/ Whole city blocks destroyed, people pulled out of their cars and beat. The main difference now is social media - everything is livestreamed, so its a different experience to people not directly on site.
    Yes. Another difference is that this has gone national. 8 states including DC have now activated the National Guard.

    It's a perfect storm: the lockdowns, the unemployment, the loss of income. Now this. It's like something being released on a huge coiled spring. I'm watching some of the livestreams and it seems like all hell is breaking loose. It's extremely dangerous. It could easily be hijacked to escalate it to a different level.
    I agree, the coincidences of all this are uncanny.

    I was watching all of this unfold the night before last.

    Did you see the crowd in front of the CNN building in Atlanta?

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    Quote Posted by TravelerJim (here)
    Good thread.

    The MN governor yesterday morning said that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. He then walked it back later in the day, I assume after he was talked to.

    Barr then talked about the same thing, and even singled out Antifa as a group playing in this arena. I am sure then that Trump and everyone else knows this is an organized effort.

    I am sure justice will be done to these four cops.

    To me the question to focus on is why are the Deep State operatives moving now in such an egregious way, and wat measures will be taken to stop them.
    It wasn't just the MN governor who was saying that outsiders were leading the rioting and it was an organized effort. People on the street were tweeting this and showing videos.

    They were essentially saying that the people doing the rioting and looting were not from the neighborhood. I spent some time watching scores of Twitter videos the night before last.

    At one point, there was someone walking around with a running chain saw... (shaking my head)

    I saw another video of a tall man dressed in full black with black mask and antifa symbols, walking with an umbrella and what looked like a metal pipe or crowbar, knocking glass window after glass window, for a full block.

    It was night, so I guess the umbrella was to keep the glass from falling on his head? (Probably not his first riot.)

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Scrolling through my Twitter feed and saw this posted by Candace Owens. Seems to fit here.

    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/sta...17237769875457

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    To my astonishment, I searched for George Floyd on the forum, and his name has not yet been posted. It needs to be. Please do share your thoughts, feelings, and logic (if there's any to be found!) here.

    Perhaps the reason "no one" posted his name is because there's no one left that values their soul more than their current "carve out" of what they call "their life."

    [EDIT ADDED]: Note, I did not post about it either, and I see myself as within the set I articulated. I added this for those who might read my post as "finger pointing with the three 'back at me.'"
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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Speaking strictly US-centric

    If anyone is going to start anywhere, every single bit of "this" is the result of deeply entrenched institutional and systemic racism against blacks.

    Don't be fooled by the recent "reforms."
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    I went to bed last night really very concerned. I was sensing something major that could possibly happen. I know others felt this strongly, too.

    There was another night of violence in many US cities, with some ugly incidents on both sides. But it didn't seem to escalate quite as much as I thought it could. However, I just read this report on Russia Today:
    "It’s going to be a warzone x10. I heard people are getting assault rifles"

    It has to be possible there may be widescale systemic change from all this. Demand for this is now in the air. But it hardly seems likely.

    It's a huge challenge for wise leadership, but I'm far from convinced there is any of that to be found. I'm not a Trump-hater, not at all, but he's hardly an inspiring wartime leader.

    Whoever writes his speeches for him, he's really simply a businessman. He's no Kennedy or Eisenhower. If the authorities use force to push the big coiled spring back in the box, the box will just explode.
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    What he did was he dove in headfirst into the passenger window. This is one of those things where, if I had been there, i. e., the passenger, I might have just killed him instantly. I am not sure. The use of force says at the moment when someone breaks a plane of entry, you can do pretty much anything to them. You cannot, for example, afterwards, chase them and shoot them in the back, but if someone busts in your door or window or whatever, you can twelve gauge them in the face.
    Except when the people breaking in are the police, which happens way to often. No-knock warrants are unconstitutional and should never be allowed. But just recently, Breonna Taylor, an EMT, was shot eight times when police served a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night, and her boyfriend responded by shooting an intruder, who turned out to be police who then opened fire in the home.

    Yes, I know that supposedly they did announce themselves. Even if they did more than yell "Police!" as they broke the door down, they were in unmarked cars and wearing plain clothes. Not even in uniform.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

    Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.

    Hundreds gather in Fairbanks to protest peacefully in wake of George Floyd's death
    Quote “We want to show that Alaska can be an example for some of the people that are hurting in the Lower 48, so that we can get together in solidarity with our other brothers and sisters and have a peaceful gathering,” Colbert said.

    Colbert said the march was something community leaders were talking about because of the recent events, but they hadn’t realized how many people were truly being affected by it within this community.

    People expressing dismay over Floyd’s death were planning their own type of protest or rally, according to Colbert, which sprung the NAACP and other community leaders to action to spearhead a peaceful gathering.
    Police join residents at peaceful protest rally in Alaska
    Quote UNEAU, Alaska — Juneau law enforcement officers joined elected officials and residents at a peaceful gathering Saturday in Alaska’s capital to protest the death of George Floyd.

    Violent protests have erupted around the country after Floyd, a black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air.

    Juneau Police Chief Ed Mercer said he and other officers attended to show solidarity with residents, the J uneau Empire reported.

    “We don’t tolerate excessive use of force,” Mercer said at the gathering in front of a giant whale sculpture on the city’s waterfront. A group sang Alaska Native songs, and most people practiced social distancing and wore masks.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    Just before I went to bed last night, I was trying to think of a way that would be a good response to help acknowledge the problems and de-escalate violence. It occurred to me that what would go a long way toward that end would be for the police across the country to "cross the picket lines" and join the protesters, in peaceful demonstrations. Let them take up "Black Lives Matter" signs and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in forces across America.

    Apparently, Alaska had the same idea.
    That IS a great idea, takes away the us and them aspect over a matter that we ALL should be in agreement on. It would turn cops back into people again, but of course it would have to be at peaceful protests.

    I wonder how quickly and deeply bold actions like that might spread, and change the whole dynamic of this systemic problem?

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    Much happening at warp speed. I don’t know if this has been posted here. It’s a challenge to keep up.

    Last edited by RunningDeer; 31st May 2020 at 19:22.

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    Default Re: The murder of George Floyd in police hands, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

    There are protests now in London, Berlin and Copenhagen. Covid-19 is ignored or forgotten. Face masks are now worn by protesters to avoid facial recognition.

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