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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.
    Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

    My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

    An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

    The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

    So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

    As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

    And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

    I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    It's like pre-war Europe. Very similar fundamental schisms and fractures. I feel the populist forces will eventually reveal themselves as being manipulated by pro-fascists. Thanks for focussing on the big picture.
    Yes, that's an excellent point about pre-war Europe.

    My own view is that tracking the media rhetoric is often the big reveal. One can then quite often see much more clearly what we're being meant to think and feel.

    An important point here, about "left" and "right". I address this to everyone.

    The "left-right" political spectrum is another conceptual manipulation. It's really a circle, where the left and right ends curve round and join one another.

    So you get a "Socialist", "Communist" society like China which is now actually Fascist, just as Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler were. Orwell laid it all out in Animal Farm 75 years ago.

    As a result, you get the confusing paradox that Antifa (="anti-fascist") is actually a Fascist organization.

    And while they do their thing, many people are distracted by arguing whether Antifa is is on "their side" (left) or on "their side" (right).

    I don't want any of us here to fall into that clever trap. They're NWO revolutionary assets, even if they may not have been at the very beginning.
    A diagram:


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    Is antifa funded by the same CIA terror network that funds Isis?

    Neon Revolt shared some interesting dot connecting on his new talk show, showing that the club both George Floyd and Chauvin worked at has connections to Somali run isis groups.



    Tommy Robinson, whether people like or loathe him, also pointed out in his scuffles last year that the antifa mob that were sent to attack him, were being trained and had their headquarters in a London mosque. Not to blame Islam as a whole, just the CIA created and UN sanctioned terror network that’s been inflicting jihad on both the Middle East and the West, seem to be organising the insurrection.

    Who funds it? The same people who fund Cleon Peterson’s race war artwork no doubt.

    https://twitter.com/cleonpeterson/st...44595203502080


    The Rothschild vision for the west.



    Cleon Peterson’s piece ‘end of days’...
    Quote End Of Days By Cleon Peterson
    Cleon Peterson ‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement.
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    From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":
    June 6 2020
    White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future

    Covid failed to destroy food supply lines as the communists wanted, - they got busted destroying it and could not follow through. They had a back up plot: Claim any store that is open had to be closed to prevent destruction by rioters, thus leaving Americans no where but them to go to for food. Target and Wal-Mart are already starting with this. At last update 200 stores were closed indefinitely. Obviously no one will blame them. A secondary goal of the riots is to finish the job of destroying small business, so only large communist controlled corporations remain, with absolutely no competition.

    The method: Any store that dares to open has heathens descend on it and loot it. Big corporations will survive this a lot better than small store owners. That said - There is a real rational reason to not blame Wal Mart, Krogers, or any other store for closing over this, right down to 7-11. Soros and other subverters will even take this all the way to farmers markets if needed to put the American people in a desperate situation.

    Then what?


    Same scenario as Covid "causing food supplies to collapse". The same thing we all thought we avoided - a total collapse of the food supply forcing people to a central feed trough where they'll either starve or be chipped. We are obviously up against a multi-step plan for our destruction.

    If this fails, What next? An alien invasion?



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    "The most privilege in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else. "

    "...But the people pushing this idea don’t see it as scary because they don’t fear the mob because they control the mob. That’s the key and they see violence as an instrument of their political power. With mobs in the streets that they control, they will finally get what they want. Donald Trump out of office and a hammer lock on the country. That’s what’s happening."

    Tucker: Liberal Activists Now Want to 'defund the police’ (10 min)
    For the past week, all of us have seen chaos engulf our beloved country. The violence at the destruction has been so overwhelming, shocking, and awful, and vivid that it has been hard to thing clearly about what’s going on. Most of us haven’t been able to step back far enough to ask the obvious question.

    The most obvious of course is, “What is this really about?” “What do the mobs want?”

    Well the thugs looting the Apple store can’t answer that question. They have no idea. They just want free iPads. But what about Apple itself and the rest of corporate American which is enthusiastically supporting the riots? What about members of congress, the media figures, the celebrity? The tech titans? All of them are cheering this on. What do they want out of it? Well they haven’t said. That’s the central mystery. Now suddenly, it is obvious. It should have been obvious the first day.

    This is about Donald Trump. Of course it is. We just couldn’t see it. For normal people, Donald Trump is a president. You may like him, you many not like him, but either way, there will be another president at some point and we will move on as we always have.

    But for Donald Trump’s enemies, there is nothing else. Everything is about Trump. Everything. Donald Trump defines their friendships, their careers, their marriages. Donald Trump affects how they raise their children. Donald Trump occupies the very center of their lives. As long as Donald Trump remains in the White House, they feel powerless and diminished and panicked. They cannot be happy. And everything they do, their overriding goal is to remove Donald Trump from office. And that’s exactly what they’re trying to do now. That’s what these riots are about.

    The most privilege in our society are using the most desperate in our society to seize power from everyone else. Got that? That’s the sum of it. The most privileged are using the most desperate to seize power from the rest of us. They are not seeking racial justice. If they were seeing racial just, they wouldn’t be denouncing their fellow Americans for their race. Which they are. It has nothing to do with it. What they are seeking is total control of the country. And it goes without saying that none of this has anything to do with George Floyd.

    {snip}

    Eliminating the police does not mean eliminating authority. There is always authority. There are no vacuums in nature. The only question is whether or not the authority is legitimate. Whether or not the authority is accountable. Whether or not you can do anything if the authority abuses of power. In the absence of law enforcement, the answer is “No”.

    It means thugs are in charge. The most violent people have the most power. They can do whatever they want to you. That’s the reality. Everyone obeys the violent people or they get hurt. The mob literally rules.

    That probably sound like a nightmare to you because it is. But the people pushing this idea don’t see it as scary because they don’t fear the mob because they control the mob. That’s the key and they see violence as an instrument of their political power. With mobs in the streets that they control, they will finally get what they want. Donald Trump out of office and a hammer lock on the country. That’s what’s happening.


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    Black Lives don't matter to Antifa. My thoughts
    When in doubt, do the next right thing.
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    The Saker's overview:


    The systemic collapse of the US society has begun

    June 04, 2020
    [this article was written for the Unz Review]

    I have lived in the United States for a total of 24 years and I have witnessed many crises over this long period, but what is taking place today is truly unique and much more serious than any previous crisis I can recall. And to explain my point, I would like to begin by saying what I believe the riots we are seeing taking place in hundreds of US cities are not about. They are not about:
    1. Racism or “White privilege”
    2. Police violence
    3. Social alienation and despair
    4. Poverty
    5. Trump
    6. The liberals pouring fuel on social fires
    7. The infighting of the US elites/deep state
    They are not about any of these because they encompass all of these issues, and more.

    It is important to always keep in mind the distinction between the concepts of “cause” and “pretext”. And while it is true that all the factors listed above are real (at least to some degree, and without looking at the distinction between cause and effect), none of them are the true cause of what we are witnessing. At most, the above are pretexts, triggers if you want, but the real cause of what is taking place today is the systemic collapse of the US society.

    The next thing which we must also keep in mind is that evidence of correlation is not evidence of causality. Take, for example, this article from CNN entitled “US black-white inequality in 6 stark charts” which completely conflates the two concepts and which includes the following sentence (stress added) “Those disparities exist because of a long history of policies that excluded and exploited black Americans, said Valerie Wilson, director of the program on race, ethnicity and the economy at the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning group.” The word “because” clearly point to a causality, yet absolutely nothing in the article or data support this. The US media is chock-full of such conflations of correlation and causality, yet it is rarely denounced.

    For a society, any society, to function a number of factors that make up the social contract need to be present. The exact list that make up these factors will depend on each individual country, but they would typically include some kind of social consensus, the acceptance by most people of the legitimacy of the government and its institutions, often a unifying ideology or, at least, common values, the presence of a stable middle-class, the reasonable hope for a functioning “social life”, educational institutions etc. Finally, and cynically, it always helps the ruling elites if they can provide enough circuses (TV) and bread (food) to most citizens. This is even true of so-called authoritarian/totalitarian societies which, contrary to the liberal myth, typically do enjoy the support of a large segment of the population (if only because these regimes are often more capable of providing for the basic needs of society).

    Right now, I would argue that the US government has almost completely lost its ability to deliver any of those factors, or act to repair the broken social contract. In fact, what we can observe is the exact opposite: the US society is highly divided, as is the US ruling class (which is even more important). Not only that, but ever since the election of Trump, all the vociferous Trump-haters have been undermining the legitimacy not only of Trump himself, but of the political system which made his election possible. I have been saying that for years: by saying “not my President” the Trump-haters have de-legitimized not only Trump personally, but also de-legitimized the Executive branch as such.
    [Sidebar: this is an absolutely amazing phenomenon: while for almost four years Trump has been destroying the US Empire externally, Trump-haters spent the same four years destroying the USA from the inside! If we look past the (largely fictional) differences between the Republicrats and the Demolicans we can see that they operate like a demolition tag-team of sorts and while they hate each other with a passion, they both contribute to bringing down both the Empire and the United States. For anybody who has studied dialectics this would be very predictable but, alas, dialectics are not taught anymore, hence the stunned “dear in the headlights” look on the faces of most people today]
    Finally, it is pretty clear that for all its disclaimers about supporting only the “peaceful protestors” and its condemnation of the “out of town looters”, most of the US media (as well as the alt media) is completely unable to give a moral/ethical evaluation of what is taking place. What I mean by this is the following:
    By repeating mantras about how “Black anger is legitimate” the US liberal media is basically placing a seal of approval on the violence and looting.
    After all, if Black “anger” is legitimate, and if “White privilege” is real, then it is quite “understandable” that this “anger” “sometimes” “boils over” and leads to “regrettable” “excesses”. Just take a look at this image of Biden kneeling down before a Black demonstrator:



    Of course, Biden and his supporters will claim that Biden was only kneeling before a cute little girl and her peacefully protesting father, but when combined with the attacks against Trump’s “law and order” rhetoric by Biden and his supporters (including four former US Presidents!), I believe that these kinds of photo-ops are sending a very different message: keep “protesting” as we are on your side which, coming from a guy like Biden, the ultimate symbol of the 1%er elites and a perfect example of “White privilege”, just goes to show that the hypocrisy of US politicians really knows no bounds or limits.
    [Sidebar: I have to note here that these riots also represent a potential danger for both factions of the Uniparty in power: for the Demolicans the riots probably represent the very last chance to prevent a Trump-reelection, but if the Demolicans are too obvious in support of the riots, then it could backfire against them and turn all the frightened “law and order” types against them. But if they do not support the riots, then the Demolicans will alienate their core constituency (a hodgepodge of various “minorities” pushing their narrow identity-politics agenda). Likewise, for Trump this is an opportunity to show his “law and order” credentials and promise the White people and the relatively fewer Blacks of his base that he will protect them. However, if he is too direct about this and if Trump orders what might be seen by many as unfair or excessive force (of which there has been a lot almost everywhere), then he risks pushing many moderate Republicrats over the edge and side with the Demolicans (or, at least, withhold their vote). In other words, both factions of the Uniparty feel that the riots are both an opportunity and a threat and this is why neither faction can come out and speak truthfully about the real causes of the riots.]


    The exact same message of weakness and even submissive impotence is, I believe, sent every time a cop kneels when confronting even peaceful demonstrators like on this photo. While this might be intended as a message of compassion, and maybe even an apology, the only thing the rioters will see here is a powerful sign of surrender of the local authorities and I find that extremely dangerous.

    Yes, there are plenty of racist, violent and otherwise incompetent cops in the USA. And yes, many of my Black friends reported feeling singled out and treated rudely by cops. But having extensively traveled the world, I want to assure you that the US most definitely does not have the worst cops out there. In fact, I believe that most US cops are decent people. Much more importantly, these cops are the “thin blue line” which protects society against criminals. And while I do believe that US policemen ought to be better educated, better trained, better led and better supervised, I also realize that there is also no short term alternative to them. It is all very fine to dream about educated, peaceful and non-racist cops, but if you remove the existing police force from the equation, there are no other alternatives (the national guard or the regular armed forces do not qualify and don’t have the correct training to deal with civilians anyway), especially in those states which have successfully killed the 2nd Amendment by means of what I call “death by a thousand regulatory cuts” (including NY and NJ).

    Then there is what Solzhenitsyn called the “decline of courage” in the West: the vast majority US politicians have basically lost the ability to criticize Blacks, even when it is quite obvious that many of the current problems of the Black population of the USA are created by Blacks themselves: I think of the truly vulgar, obscene and overall disgusting “rap culture” with which most Black youth are now “educated” in since early childhood or how many Black youth have been brainwashed into considering gang members and street prostitutes as the measure of what “looking cool” looks like in terms of clothes, language and overall behavior. I believe that it is pretty obvious to any person who lived in the USA that Blacks are very often (mostly?) the cause of their own misery: I can tell you that my Jamaican and Sub-Saharan African friends (who live in the USA) have told me many times that a) they think that US Blacks have opportunities which they would never have in Africa or Jamaica and that b) local Blacks often resent Africans and Jamaican Blacks because the latter do so much better in the US society. I can also testify to the fact that I have seen a lot of anti-Latino feelings from US Blacks. As for how Blacks often feel about Asians, all we need to do is remember the LA riots in 1992. Finally, I do believe that many (most?) people in the USA know that the strongest and most frequent form of racism in the USA will be anti-White, especially from politically engaged Blacks.

    I can personally attest that there is plenty of anti-White racism in the USA. Not only did I experience it myself (I lived in Washington, DC from 1986-1991), but it has been amply documented by people like Colin Flaherty whose books “White Girl Bleed A Lot: The Return of Racial Violence to America and How the Media Ignore It” and “Knockout Game a Lie?: Awww, Hell No!” are excellent primers on Black on White violence and racism. Yet, anybody daring to suggest that US Blacks themselves are at least partially responsible for their own plight will immediately be labeled a “racist”.

    To those of you who live outside the USA, I would recommend this simple thought experiment: just take 20-30 minutes and watch the footage of BOTH the “peaceful protests” AND “the violent riots” and look carefully not only at what the folks you see in the footage are wearing, but also how they speak, how they act, what they say and how they say it and ask yourself a simple question: would you want to hire any of these guys and pay them a decent salary? I very much doubt that many of you would. Frankly, most of these rioters are unhirable, and “racism” has nothing to do with this.

    The fact is that what is sometimes called the “MTV culture” is, in reality, nothing else than a systematic glorification of criminal mayhem. Forget about rap hits like the famous “*** Da Police” or “Kill d’White People“, I would argue that 99% of rap is a glorification of all the worst problems of Black communities in the USA (drugs, violence, promiscuous sex, objectification of women, alcoholism, glorification of criminal behavior in the streets and in prisons, etc.). Yet most US politicians seem to be paralyzed and feel the need to pretend like they are absolutely charmed by this so-called “Black culture”. But it is even worse than that.

    Combine an emasculated ruling polity which does not dare to call a stone and stone and which promotes a (pretend) “culture” which glorifies violence and hatred against all non-criminals, including law abiding Black who are called “Toms” and who are also singled out as in this “beautiful” rap which includes the following “verses”: “Then you got niggas that’s blacker then the night, Running around town saying their best friends are white, Niggas like that are gonna hang up from a tree, And burn them up alive and let everybody see” (check out this “beautiful” rap here and for the full lyrics, a truly fascinating read, here). Next, throw in a completely dysfunctional state which is owned and operated by a tiny gang of obscenely rich narcissistic bastards (of all races, very much including Blacks), add to it a total absence of any real social opportunities, then toss in the COVID pandemic and the worst recession in US history with record high levels of unemployment even among those who would be employable (folks with dropped down pants, excessive tattoos, past felony convictions and a comprehensively non-professional attitude would not even get a job even if the economy was booming). Then, you get a relatively localized “spark” (like the murder of George Floyd by a gang of arrogant imbeciles in uniform) to start a fire which will instantly spread throughout the entire country, especially since there are so many other groups besides Blacks who want to “piggyback” their personal agenda on top of the one of Black Lives Matter or Antifa (I am, of course, referring to the real cornucopia of Trump-haters which never accepted his election).


    Conclusion 1: this is not the US version of the Gilets Jaunes!

    Some might be tempted to say that what we are seeing in the USA is a US version of the French Gilets Jaunes. I assure you that it is not. For one thing, the Gilets Jaunes had a pretty clear political program. US rioters do not. Next, the Gilets Jaunes were mostly peaceful and much of the violence was instigated by the French police forces (including the use of fake rioters). While there are definitely peaceful protesters in the USA, neither BLM or AntiFa have truly denounced the riots (and why should they when the USA media and politicians don’t have the courage to do that either?). Finally, the French ruling classes and media did not show the kind of “understanding” of the riots which did take place although Macron did pose with two “gangstas” in an effort to look “cool” (which failed):


    Not only Biden, in Europe too…

    Conclusion 2: this is not a revolution or a civil war

    Some are now fantasizing that what we are witnessing today is either a revolution or a civil war. I believe that this is neither.

    For a revolution to take place there must be a force capable of changing not the person(s) in power, but fundamentally change the regime, the polity, itself and replacing it with another one. Declaring that “Black lives matter” or looting stores or even demanding that the police be defunded, does not have this kind of potential capability.

    For a civil war to take place you need a least two sides, each with a clearly identifiable political agenda. Since the see real power in the USA is hidden from the public awareness, there is no potential for a “the people vs the rulers” kind of civil war in the US. A “Right/Conservative vs Left/Liberal” civil war is also not possible, because both the US Right and the US Left are, in reality controlled by a deep state which is neither liberal nor conservative. Finally, a “rematch” between North and South is not possible either because the modern USA is not really split along North/South lines anymore. In terms of geography, there is somewhat of a “Big cities vs rural USA” split, but it takes place in both the north and the south of the country. Instead, what we do observe is a social breakup of the USA into “zones” some of which will be doing much better than others (big cities with a strong Black population fare the worst, mostly White small towns fare best; that is even true within the same state). In some of these zones, we will see more of this kind of acts of self-protection:

    This kind of confrontations, even if they are not violent, are yet another illustration of the state being simply unable to take charge and protect the people.


    Conclusion 3: this is an insurrection which has initiated the systemic collapse of the US society

    I call what is happening today an insurrection: a violent revolt or rebellion against the authorities as such. When you burn a police precinct you do not “protest” against the actions of a few cops, no, what you are doing is expelling the cops from your neighborhood (I know that personally. In Argentina I lived in a suburb of Buenos-Aires in which the police station was attacked so often that it closed and was never rebuilt). And since in a civilized society the state should have the monopoly on the (legal) use of force, you are basically rejecting the authority and legitimacy of the state which operates the police force. This insurrection is most unlikely to remove Trump from office (hence it is not a coup or a revolution), but the anti-Trump faction of the ruling elites have now clearly adopted the strategy of “worse is better” simply because they realize that these riots are probably their last chance to blame it all on Trump (and Russia, why not?!) and maybe, just maybe, defeat him in November.

    Right now all we see can only be called a mob-rule (technically referred to as an “ochlocracy“). But mobs, no matter how violent, rarely succeed in achieving tangible political results as they act ‘against something’ and not ‘for something’. This is why the real (behind-the-scenes) ruling classes need to instrumentalize this mob-induced insurrection to their political advantage. So far, I would say that neither the Demolicans nor the Republicrats have succeeded in this. But there is a very long and potentially extremely dangerous summer ahead and this might well change.

    Irrespective of whether either faction will succeed in instrumentalizing the riots, what we are seeing today is a systemic collapse of the US society. That is not to say that the USA will disappear, not at all. But just like it took the Soviet Union a decade or more to fully collapse (roughly from 1983-1993), it will take the US many years to fully crash. And just like a New Russia eventually began taking form in 1999, there will be a New USA coming out of the current collapse. Total and final collapses are very rare, mostly they just initiate a lengthy and potentially very dangerous transformation process, the outcome of which is almost impossible to predict.

    However, just as the Russian people had to stop kidding themselves with silly dreams about “democracy” and had to tackle the real problems of Russia, so will the people of the USA have to find the courage to deal with their real problems, frontally and deliberately. If they fail to do that, the country will most likely simply further disintegrate into numerous and mutually hostile entities.

    Time will tell.

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    PS: With respect to this post and post #24, one of the worst nightmares the McDonald franchises in Russia, in absence of bulk chains providers for vegetables, was having to deal with thousands of babushkas to satiate their customers appetite instead of having to deal with one or two chains of (GMO) providers like in the US.
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    Antifa and BLM Protest Across Europe, UK, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and Syria

    June 5, 2020 CNN, et al. 1


    Antifa, Wiki
    Riots and rallies against America, racism, police brutality, and Trump broke out in Greece, England, Ireland, Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, Holland, Poland, Syria, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, indicating a high level of organization, coordination, and funding. On Wednesday, rioters in Greece hurled firebombs towards the US Embassy in Athens. Antifa and Black Lives Matter professionals have taken to the streets of London. On Wednesday, scuffles broke out in front of No. 10 Downing Street as tens of thousands of people attended a rally to express “solidarity” with American protesters, and against inequalities in British society.
    Protesters have marched in the US for six consecutive nights over the death of George Floyd at the hands of a police officer. Their anger over the killing of the unarmed black man has now spread worldwide.

    Over the weekend demonstrators gathered in London, Berlin and Auckland, among other cities, to protest against police brutality in solidarity with the US crowds.

    Britain
    In London, protesters rallied in Trafalgar Square on Sunday morning, in defiance of Britain’s lockdown rules which prohibit large gatherings.

    Some participants marched to the US embassy in the capital’s Nine Elms area.
    On Monday, the Metropolitan Police said six people were arrested at a protest

    Germany
    Crowds gathered in Berlin in front of the US embassy on Saturday and Sunday. Participants wore face masks and carried signs declaring “Black lives matter” and “Justice can’t wait”.

    France

    Activists wearing black clothing and face masks took a knee and held up signs reading “I can’t breathe,” “We are all George Floyd” and “Racism chokes us” in Paris on Monday.

    Describing the video of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis as “surreal and unbearable,” the protest organizers called on “all individuals with a sense of justice” to condemn the “racist crime perpetrated by the police,” calling it an “ordinary” occurrence in the US.

    Read full article here…

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...k-blm-protests

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    Fox News post deleted so it isn’t used to derail the thread.
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    Just a point of interest, I would like to mention how language is being used to deceive the general public. Although many on Avalon may know this it took me a while to understand the deception. This truth is not targeted at any political party, both parties are proficient at this form of lying. By the way, this deception is practiced all over the world it is not confined to the USA.

    ANTIFA - stands for antifascist but in actual fact, they are a fascist organization

    Affordable Care Act = Obamacare - This program boldly lied on two fronts,. Care, it had nothing to do with care, it was all about who pays. It was also anything but affordable.

    Patriot Act - The implication here is if you don't support this bill you are not patriotic. Now we have seen what the FISA warrants have done, they allowed one President of the USA to spy on opposition party candidate and then the president-elect before he assumed office. It was never supposed to be used against Americans but guess what..........

    Farm Bill - This is one of the largest bills passed every year and every year they change the name to something topical. For instance, after the 9/11 attacks, the farm bill was named the “Farm Security Act” even though it had nothing to do with security. Then they changed the name to “Agriculture Reform, Food and Jobs Act,” because “jobs” was the hot topic of the day. It has nothing to do with reforming agriculture or jobs. The only jobs it created were for government bureaucrats. Now they are back to calling it the Farm Bill but now it wholly 80 percent of it went toward food stamps this year.

    American Recovery and Reinvestment Act = Stimulus Bill under Obama. The bill was successful in its attempts to “reinvest,” except it wasn’t so much reinvesting as providing handouts to politically favored special interests that dried up quickly. But maybe that was too long to fit into the bill title. I am sure we will find the same thing going on with the current stimulus bills once the dust settles.

    Marketplace Fairness Act - Fairness not so much this bill turned out to be the internet sales tax. Nothing more, nothing less

    People on the right march in support of the Patriot act while people on the left march in support of the Marketplace Fairness Act and the truth is that everyone is being deceived. While everyone is trying to figure out who ANTIFA is millions will look no further than...........oh it is an anti-fascist organization, can't be bad. Deception is all around.

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    Kevin Carroll, Attorney: DC Mayor does not have
    the power to send away National Guard
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    Kevin Carroll, partner at Wiggin and Dana and Army Veteran, weighs in on National Guard use.

    In D.C., the Mayor has asked Non-D.C. National Guard Members who were here, thinking about the folks from Utah and others who were brought in after the unrest over last weekend and through the week to leave. Can she do that? And what is the law of the land right now?

    The D.C. National Guard has a unique legal status in every state in the union. The state governor is the Commander-in-Chief of the Guard, but D.C. is not a state so actually the President is the Commander of the D.C Guard. He delegates his authority to the Secretary of Defense who in turn delegates to the Secretary of the Army to run the National Guard. So strictly speaking she does not have the authority to order the National Guard units of other states to withdraw from the district.

    That said, using troops in the city over the objections of the Mayor is fraught and you would hope that the Mayor and the Secretaries and the President are able to work it out, and that the individual guardsmen themselves don’t become a football here. There’s reporting in the paper that they were turned out of their hotel.

    The Utah Guard and others were turned out of their hotel after 12-hour shifts on the line and thunderstorms and pouring rain and 96% humidity.

    What law covers what the National Guard can and cannot do?

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    various videos and summaries of events in progress Saturday afternoon for the Washington DC protest here:

    https://twitter.com/FordFischer/stat...422006784?s=20



    https://twitter.com/FordFischer/stat...95500106366978



    https://twitter.com/FordFischer/stat...714824706?s=20



    https://twitter.com/FordFischer/stat...760630785?s=20

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    but if you remove the existing police force from the equation, there are no other alternatives (the national guard or the regular armed forces do not qualify and don’t have the correct training to deal with civilians anyway)...And since in a civilized society the state should have the monopoly on the (legal) use of force, you are basically rejecting the authority and legitimacy of the state which operates the police force.
    Saker is pretty accurate but is on the miss here with a couple things.

    We have sheriffs. The sheriff basically is the law in an area. A city is just a kind of corporation.

    The state does not operate police or sheriffs.

    Again, in this country, the whole baby and bath water may be tossed by revoking one's citizenship.

    If Americans resigned from citizenship, the system would vanish almost immediately.

    U. S. is not your country, your state is your country. The state is equal to the people inside it. The people bear arms for its security, end of point about monopolies.

    Any union is suspect, Lincoln's Empire is what most of us are living in by having consented sovereignty to the U. S. over us. It can be easily and totally fixed by the ending of citizenship, or only by a repeal of the laws that have tricked us into it.

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    A summary from Natural News, yesterday:
    Antifa, radical Left-wing groups are fueling riots across the US – reports

    6 June, 2020



    Radical Left-wing and Communist groups are fueling the ongoing riots and protests across the United States, according to reports. This theory, pushed forth by authorities handling the current spate of violence, stems from the organized and well-coordinated nature of the riots.

    “We have evidence that Antifa and other similar extremist groups, as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions, have been involved in instigating and participating in the violent activity,” Attorney General William Barr said during a press conference at Justice Department headquarters Thursday.

    Barr linked Antifa – a loosely organized group of anti-fascist activists and anarchists with no discernible hierarchy – to activities such as arson, looting and assaults on law enforcement, echoing statements made by other authorities who are also currently involved in controlling the riots.

    According to John Miller, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism, certain unnamed groups were found to have organized scouts and medics specifically for those who are participating in the riots and protests.

    These groups, Miller said, were also financially well-prepared, with the groups and their organizers able to carefully set out and raise bail money in case some protesters get detained.

    The groups, Miller added, have also developed a complex network of bicycle scouts.

    These scouts would move ahead of demonstrators in order to direct individuals from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism such as the torching police vehicles.

    More troubling, Miller said, is the growing evidence that outside agitators are organizing the violence, pointing out in an interview with NBC New York that one out of every seven arrests made during the riots in New York involved people from out of state.

    A similar situation has been noted in Minnesota, where the protests first began.

    In a press briefing, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, a Democrat, stressed that several “bad actors” have infiltrated what he called were “rightful protests,” adding that 80 percent of the rioters have come from outside the state.

    “The situation in Minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of George Floyd,” he said, referring to the black man who was killed by a white police officer late last month.

    “It is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great city,” Walz said.

    Walz’s comments echo that of conservative journalist and editor Andy Ngo, who is currently covering the recent demonstrations and riots.

    In a series of tweets, Ngo, who writes for the conservative publication The Post Millennial, said that the current spate of violence and riots are the direct result of the activation of militant Antifa cells across the country who are now being mobilized to aid Black Lives Matter (BLM) rioters.

    Bernard B. Kerik, a former police commissioner of the New York City Police Department, agrees, saying in an interview with The Epoch Times that he believes that the protests have been “100 percent exploited” by Antifa, and that the group’s various websites often control and dictate where the protests and riots start.

    According to Kerik, the group – which espouses radical, leftist and socialist ideas – is currently actively promoting riots and protests in 40 different states and 60 cities. (Related: Origins of Antifa (Briefly, what is Antifa and why should anyone care about it?))

    Kerik, in his Epoch Times interview, noted that organizing the protests and riots would have likely cost “tens of millions of dollars,” adding that it would be “impossible” for somebody outside of the anarchist organization to fund this operation.

    The claims linking Antifa to extremist violence have not escaped the White House.

    In a tweet posted May 31, President Donald Trump threatened to declare the group a terrorist organization.

    Legal experts, however, say the President may face problems with pushing forward with that decision as there is no provision in federal law to designate a domestic organization as a terror group.

    Experts also noted that ideological movements such as Antifa are protected under the First Amendment.

    There is no authority under law to do that – and if such a statute were passed, it would face serious First Amendment challenges,” Mary B. McCord, a former head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division, said in an interview with The New York Times.

    Sources include:

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    In light of current events this interesting short documentary is timely and explores the activities of Antifa, also featuring some well known commentators from the conservative end of the alternative community, documenting instances where they have been singled out by this organisation. Also in the Avalon Library but viewable here as well.

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    Dressed in all black from head to toe, wearing masks, wielding bats, and throwing urine bottles while chanting “No Trump, No Wall, No USA at All!”, the communist movement known as Antifa has caught the attention of the nation, gaining fame after the violence this past year in Charlottesville, Virginia and Berkeley, California.

    America Under Siege: Antifa is a documentary film that answers three critical questions:

    Who is Antifa? Why are they organizing? What are their goals?

    Trevor Loudon, an investigative researcher and author from New Zealand with 30 years of experience studying radical political movements, unveils the history, motives, and goals of the so-called “Antifascist” movement in America and around the world.

    The film features exclusive interviews from well-known conservatives, many have whom have been personally attacked by Antifa, including author and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, radio host Steve Deace, journalist and free speech activist Lauren Southern, Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, author of Citizens for Trump Jack Posobiec, and activist Lindsay Grathwohl.


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    I remember when I first heard about Antifa, it was during the Occupy protests about 10 years ago.

    They were in Portland and people were protesting one of the big "G" meetings.

    For years people have been fighting the TPP. I can remember some activists had gotten a hold of a chapter of the TPP and it went viral online.

    It seemed to me that we all knew that the TPP was not good for most of humanity.

    Then Trump was elected President and one of the first things he did was to take us out of that very bad deal.

    My first head's up that what I thought about Antifa was wrong was that the movement that I thought had fought so hard to stop TPP, didn't seem to care that Trump had essentially done that with his pen.

    Then later I heard about Andy Ngo.

    I stumbled across this video last night, while looking for something else. It's an interview with a young man who had been active in Antifa about 10 years ago. It's interesting to hear what his mindset was back then.

    I suspect that since then Antifa got hi-jacked. But, even in it's more "innocent" days, he described the Antifa mindset as mob mentality.


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    Another comment he made that I thought was interesting was that the debate within his Antifa group was more along the lines of what qualifies as personal property versus private property, toothbrush versus home.

    This is along the lines of some of the points that Lara Logan mentioned.

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    Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

    It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

    Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

    Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

    Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

    Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

    Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

    Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?
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    I can feel your frustration and pain, Gracy May.

    People are sharing stories all over social media, and in this particular state of global chaos, many people are getting hurt. To me, it's way beyond a sort of polarized position of one side good/another side bad. There's a lot at play here. In some ways, it could be said we are in the fog of war, psychological war, and what I think are very real attempts to make a heretofore "silent" war go hot.

    Many people are having strong knee-jerk reactions. And many other people are weighing in on what's happening in very balanced, and thoughtful ways.

    I've seen many heart-warming stories of kindness and compassionate action, in addition to the blood-boiling, heart-breaking stories.

    I think we are well beyond, one side or another. This is much bigger than all the petty divisions.

    For myself, I think it's important to step back, try to not let myself become "Incited" to strong reactions, and to observe with an intent to understand, many points of view, in the context of the bigger picture.

    But, I can understand when people do react strongly.

    Are there places to build bridges of understanding, to stand in the gap, so to speak?

    This thread just happens to be about Antifa, I see it as a bucket for people to share their information and insights related to this topic.

    I don't think it's about Antifa, Antifa, Antifa, anymore than it was ever about Russia, Russia, Russia.

    However, there is probably some historical context to Russia.

    A similar model was used in the French Revolution, Hitler's Revolution, the Stalinist/Leninist Operation, Mao's Revolution, then later his weaponization of young Chinese in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot, the Soros color revolutions in Eastern Europe, and countless smaller operations.

    The difference is that this one has gone global.

    I feel that the more we understand the whole situation, the better humanity has a chance of navigating this without self-destructing.
    Last edited by edina; 8th June 2020 at 04:06.

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