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    An analogy may be to see this as a bifurcation point, for humanity.

    In systems theory, an organism reaches a critical mass point where it has to make a choice, evolve or die.

    I'm not certain if I'm clear on what this 'bifurcation' decision is, yet. Maybe other people have some ideas.

    If I understand the Antifa (Anarcho Socialism) ideology accurately, it is that all institutions must be destroyed because they are in the way of instituting their desired system.

    I've been considering for a while that when people refer to their socialism as Marxist, it may be inaccurate.
    Some of the people involved in Antifa refer to themselves as Stalinist/Leninist.

    However, as I've looked closer to try to understand it seems to me that a more accurate term may be Marcuse Socialism. (I haven't seen anyone else use this phrase.)

    These are the ideas that seem to be taught in the academic world. (Adorno, Gramsci, Marcuse)
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

    It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

    Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

    Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

    Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

    Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

    Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

    Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?
    Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above.. The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:

    Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

    Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

    The book Communism Unmasked is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.

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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Antifa Antifa Antifa. Reminds me of Russia Russia Russia.

    It would seem than now Antifa is at the root of all our problems, but not all that long ago, Russia was at the root of all our problems.

    Maybe the catch of the day is the Chicoms now, or is it still the orange fascist?

    Is it the democrat NWO satanic pedophiles, or is it the republican military industrial complex?

    Which one's right (pardon the pun), MSNBC or FOX NEWS?

    Which side needs to obliterate the other, in order for things to be all peachy?

    Which one needs to win, yin or yang?

    Which one are you rooting for, while turning a disgusted, tone deaf ear, to the other?
    Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above.. The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:

    Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

    Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

    The book Communism Unmasked is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.
    Well you know Jayke, I here answers like that every time I bring up a basic question like that. "It's not about sides"...

    Okay, so it's not about sides then. If this is indeed so, how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?

    I'm looking for fair and balanced, but not seeing much of it in literal terms.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    America Under Siege: Antifa by Trevor Loudon
    Free Speech Dies Undefended

    In light of current events this interesting short documentary is timely and explores the activities of Antifa, also featuring some well known commentators from the conservative end of the alternative community, documenting instances where they have been singled out by this organisation. Also in the Avalon Library but viewable here as well.

    Source: Dangerous Documentaries

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    Dressed in all black from head to toe, wearing masks, wielding bats, and throwing urine bottles while chanting “No Trump, No Wall, No USA at All!”, the communist movement known as Antifa has caught the attention of the nation, gaining fame after the violence this past year in Charlottesville, Virginia and Berkeley, California.

    America Under Siege: Antifa is a documentary film that answers three critical questions:

    Who is Antifa? Why are they organizing? What are their goals?

    Trevor Loudon, an investigative researcher and author from New Zealand with 30 years of experience studying radical political movements, unveils the history, motives, and goals of the so-called “Antifascist” movement in America and around the world.

    The film features exclusive interviews from well-known conservatives, many have whom have been personally attacked by Antifa, including author and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, radio host Steve Deace, journalist and free speech activist Lauren Southern, Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, author of Citizens for Trump Jack Posobiec, and activist Lindsay Grathwohl.


    This is an excellent documentary Tintin!

    It also ties into what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 90's, demoralization, or strategic deception.

    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    Yuri Bezmenov 1983 lecture (this is the full interview , always good to keep as a reference)
    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    This goes for any country. Any similarity is no Coincidence.

    This video was made in 1985. Capitalism x Communism dialectic was clear in the mint of the masses in those days.

    Today the visible agenda is the Global fascism Corporate. The financial slavery and mind control indoctrination based on beliefs of all kinds are the main tools.

    The invisible agenda is to maintain the spiritual fascism.

    Control, deception and ignorance to obtain consent for the maintenance of planet Earth farm in all physical and astral levels.

    Quote They will not see it, until their totalitarian government kicks their fat asses. It will be too late...
    For a while, I thought all of this was happening, somewhat like Yuri described, the deception was so successful that the programming is essentially running on its own through several generations now.

    I saw it somewhat like a perpetual motion machine. Where the energy is turned off and it just keeps spinning.

    I now think I was wrong, It's looks like there has been a lot of energy injected into this machine.
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    And to expand on the above thought process...

    Operation InfeKtion: How Russia Perfected the Art of War | NYT Opinion

    Quote Russia’s meddling in the United States’ elections is not a hoax. It’s the culmination of Moscow’s decades-long campaign to tear the West apart. “Operation InfeKtion” reveals the ways in which one of the Soviets’ central tactics — the promulgation of lies about America — continues today, from Pizzagate to George Soros conspiracies. Meet the KGB spies who conceived this virus and the American truth squads who tried — and are still trying — to fight it. Countries from Pakistan to Brazil are now debating reality, and in Vladimir Putin’s greatest triumph, Americans are using Russia’s playbook against one another without the faintest clue.

    In my opinion though, this is only an aspect of the picture. It extends further back, into the previous century, and involves the precursor of Tavistock.

    This isn't confined to Russia. It's done by many players, intel agencies, black ops, nations, political organizations, corporations, lobbyists, NGOS, Charities, Academia, Media, and on and on and on.

    For example, some intel people consider Iranians masters of this game. China considers itself a master, with 5000 years of history to draw upon.

    The fog of psychological war.

    A political virus of deception.

    Or as Martin Geddes coined it: Deception v Discernment

    Related:
    Q 827 Stanislav Lunev & The BRIDGE
    Q !UW.yye1fxo 23 Feb 2018 - 11:53:47 PM
    Stanislav Lunev.
    The BRIDGE.
    Payback for today.
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    *********

    Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

    Trust Me, I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday


    Mockingbird Media

    *********

    (And guess what, can you identify the disinformation in the New York Times documentary?) Please note this documentary was published Nov 25, 2018.

    *********

    Key point
    : They want you divided. (And then people argue about who is "they".)
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)

    A similar model was used in the French Revolution, Hitler's Revolution, the Stalinist/Leninist Operation, Mao's Revolution, then later his weaponization of young Chinese in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot, the Soros color revolutions in Eastern Europe, and countless smaller operations.

    The difference is that this one has gone global.

    I feel that the more we understand the whole situation, the better humanity has a chance of navigating this without self-destructing.
    Since America is not among this list, it was somehow different.

    If I need a continental ally, Marquis de Lafayette.

    In the next century there was an unusual type of revolution in Italy, which was Garibaldi attempting to restore a Bourbon monarch. Seen in the view that he was perhaps aware of what happened to France, it may make sense, and add to it that he did not accept Lincoln's offer of command because slavery was not really the issue of the war, he knew it was empire.

    The discussion that there are not two sides does not mean they cease to inflict horrendous losses on each other. They are not two sides since both stand on the same pillar. No matter what happens, the pillar is oppressed onto the majority of the population. Historically, left vs. right really were natural enemies, and the working unit of a "pillar" could be described as London-based on the Rape of India, and then the U. S. Federal Reserve, and finally Bank of International Settlements.

    The American Revolution, and maybe a few other situations, are resistance against the pillar. In the western sense, it probably is somewhat accurate to call it Saturnine, since this would also mean a hijacked distortion of the original Saturnalia. I tend to see the murder of Hypatia as the emergence of the "angry mob" of it. From there you do get a pretty violent dark age.

    It is, more or less, the same continuous struggle between a humanistic side, and a de-humanizing one. Along with the same tactics still being used. Humanism attempted to make a comeback through the Medici Renaissance but was driven out. Despite the continuation of that name, Medici wealth and property were given to Tuscany.

    Syria is giving their version a good quashing. Talk about learning on your feet. And yet still the much-vaunted Islamic terrorists have not come out to take advantage here. Where are you when we need you, credible terror threat?

    So in the U. S., you get John Birch, Rand Corporation and so on making a huge deal about the "threat" of communism--whereas it is more accurate to say it is long since installed--in order to defend Corporate Fascism. Both theories are fairly successful, one in more of a governmental/societal aspect, and the other perhaps more exclusive, and they all are delivering some form of modern law which dominates the system over the individual.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Already addressed the puppeteers of the dichotomy in post 23 above.. The Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult axis. It’s not about left or right, it’s inhumanity vs humanity. Virtue vs immorality. Cleon Peterson summed it up in his art piece ‘end of days’:

    Cleon Peterson‘s paintings portraying a dystopian, yet an authoritatively ordered world where evil is the victor of all circumstance. CleonPeterson describes his bedlam as “a gray world where law breakers and law enforcers are one in the same; a world where ethics have been abandoned in favor of personal entitlement”.

    Antifa are just one tentacle of the hydra used to forward the Saturnalian cults agenda towards this end. Many tentacles have arisen over millennia. Much older than most realise.

    The book Communism Unmasked is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.
    Well you know Jayke, I here answers like that every time I bring up a basic question like that. "It's not about sides"...

    Okay, so it's not about sides then. If this is indeed so, how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?

    I'm looking for fair and balanced, but not seeing much of it in literal terms.
    Where specifically have you heard answers like mine all the time? Because the left or right outlets certainly won’t go that deep to the core of the issue. How much evidence do you need to show that this isn’t a left vs right issue? Despite how much you seem to wish it was that basic. It’s about character development (virtue vs immorality) not what side of the isle someone chooses to plant ones flag. That’s completely beside the point. If you don’t think Soros-Rothschild-Blackrock-Saturnalian cult funds antifa (based on the ample and increasing evidence which suggests they do) then feel free to share your evidence for alternatives. I garuntee you there’ll be more evidence to support the previous conclusion than any of the alternatives you bring up. To be fair and balanced you have to shake off your personal biases and follow the evidence regardless of how uncomfortable it might make you. I’m happy to go there, if you’ve got alternatives to offer.

    Quote how much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?
    How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from. They’ve been using the same tactics since the ‘mixing of tongues’ in Sumeria and Babylon. Hence why people like Joseph Farrell call them the Babylonian banksters. Plenty of evidence in Farrells books, among plenty of other sources (books though, you’ll have to turn the tv off) if you genuinely care to find the evidence that’ll unveil the truth of how ‘sides’ have been pitted against each other to further the agenda of ruling elites.

    Keeping people locked in the left vs right dichotomy is how they prevent people from focusing on the important work of cultivating virtue in their societies. Been that way since long before Jesus was kicking the parasitic money lenders out of the sacred temple.
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    https://twitter.com/mizdonna/status/...940488192?s=20



    this guy, on the other hand, almost certainly not Antifa I suspect, but any affiliations not reported in the article so far

    https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/s...960991232?s=20

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    How much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?
    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from.
    Hey Jayke. Listen I don't want to further derail us here, I was only addressing where you said there is no Left/Right going on here, the rest of what you're had to say is indeed deep and insightful. As usual.

    However a quick perusal of much of the sourcing on this thread, will easily demonstrate my point above. How many posts are based just on FOX NEWS alone?

    This discussion does lean very heavy to the Right/pro Trump, very similar to how the Q thread leans heavily to the Right/pro Trump. That's all fine and dandy, just don't shoot the messenger that points this out.

    I would point out the same it this was mostly based on lefty commentators, MSNBC and the like, with the focus being on a right wing boogeyman.

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    I know that I've shared some videos that came from the Fox network on this thread.

    In my mind, I was sharing Lara Logan. It's quite telling to me that Fox is the only network that is sharing Lara's information regarding Antifa?

    The other networks have carried much of her information in the past, but not right now, on the Antifa topic.

    Because it was shared on Fox doesn't mean it ought to be full-on discredited. And when one listens to those clips, it's quite balanced, there's really not any political position on it. Just what's she's learned about Antifa.

    Another thought, Breitbart and ZeroHedge often share Jonathan Turley, but that doesn't make Jonathan Turley defacto right wing.

    I've also shared information from other sources. As have other people.

    Feel free to share Antifa-related information from sources you prefer.

    I'm sure that at some point, James Corbett will do some podcasts on it.
    If, or when, he does, pop them in here.

    This is why we share, many minds collaborating to deepen understanding.
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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    The book Communism Unmasked is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.
    That sounds like an interesting book, but pricey so I had a look around and the University of California has made it available online via the Hathi Trust. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...iew=1up&seq=13
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    How much further can this argument go without evidence based on the likes of FOX NEWS, members of the Trump administration, Breitbart, X22 Report, InfoWars, or other Right Wing outlets?
    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    How much further can this argument go? Once you quit moving the goal posts you’ll notice the trail of objective evidence that leads us into antiquity for the origins of where the race war instigators come from.
    Hey Jayke. Listen I don't want to further derail us here, I was only addressing where you said there is no Left/Right going on here, the rest of what you're had to say is indeed deep and insightful. As usual.

    However a quick perusal of much of the sourcing on this thread, will easily demonstrate my point above. How many posts are based just on FOX NEWS alone?

    This discussion does lean very heavy to the Right/pro Trump, very similar to how the Q thread leans heavily to the Right/pro Trump. That's all fine and dandy, just don't shoot the messenger that points this out.

    I would point out the same it this was mostly based on lefty commentators, MSNBC and the like, with the focus being on a right wing boogeyman.

    Not really, much like the Q thread, the sourcing is wide and varied, and focuses more on objective evidence rather than just mainstream media narratives. I personally haven’t watched any Fox News, besides the occasional Tucker Carlson show. I’d be happy to dissect any pro-antifa narratives if anyone cared to share them on a thread about antifa, see how they measure up to the reality of the situation currently unfolding around the world at large. No shooting the messenger, just pointing out any fallacies and inconsistencies within the message itself.

    Truth doesn’t care about allegiance to left or right, I’m happy to have a dialectic discussion to see how both sides of the isle are spinning narratives to further their own agendas. What does the narrative of the verifiable evidence suggest? How much is just spin or interjection? What are both sides showing as a way to distract from what’s really going on behind the scenes?

    With everything that’s going on in America and around the world with the antifa organised protests, how many people caught this article by the saker of Trump managing to avert another war with Iran recently? Saker dislikes Trump as much as you do but still begrudgingly gives him credit when it’s due.

    http://thesaker.is/did-trump-just-ca...al-double-war/

    Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.

    Feel free to discuss, it all fits within the broader picture of social engineering and fake news that are the true topics of discussion within the Q threads.

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    Good to see this thread. I would point out that Black Lives Matter is at the top of the pyramid an equally dangerous organization with ulterior motives. This is an interesting story from Zero Hedge on the situation in Australia:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ple-no-selfies

    From the BLM own publication for this event:

    “FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. If a black person tells you to do something, you do it immediately without question. You respect the authority and decisions of the black protestors at all times.”

    As this goes on longer and longer, I think more and more people will become truly "awake".
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    The book Communism Unmasked is a good starting point to trace things to the root of the issue.
    That sounds like an interesting book, but pricey so I had a look around and the University of California has made it available online via the Hathi Trust. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...iew=1up&seq=13
    It’s an excellent book, just be aware that they tackle the issue of international Jewry, it doesn’t touch on how Judaism itself was infiltrated by the Iberian blue bloods and the d’este family back in medieval times as cover for their nefarious activities. Best read in conjunction with the book ‘The Game of Saturn’ by Peter Mark Adams to get a clearer perspective on who the oligarchic elite ruling families are or stem from.

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    Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.
    Well for starters, I would have to reckon that declaring a domestic entity that is headless, with no official membership a terrorist organization, sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. How much would this new State power march hand in hand with indefinite detention, as set forth in another dangerous precedent we all know as the National Defense Authorization Act, under Obama.

    Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.

    What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.

    Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.

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    Based on your research, what do you suggest the rights main purpose of promoting the ‘Antifa as international terrorists’ narrative truly is? A distraction while they role out the ever increasing and pernicious technocracy? It’s possible, I’m not ruling it out. But I’m also open to researching other agendas or hidden motives if there’s anything secretly niggling you about anything that’s going on in the world right now.
    Well for starters, I would have to reckon that declaring a domestic entity that is headless, with no official membership a terrorist organization, sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. How much would this new State power march hand in hand with indefinite detention, as set forth in another dangerous precedent we all know as the National Defense Authorization Act, under Obama.

    Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.

    What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.

    Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.
    The protests seem a little too well organised to be headless don’t you think? Just because the head of the organisation is obfuscated, doesn’t mean it isn’t there or that antifa is somehow a spontaneous or organic movement. An interesting book from the Tavistock Institute... The Social Engagement of Social Science

    Quote World War II brought together a group of psychiatrists and clinical and social psychologists in the British Army who developed a number of radical, action-oriented organizational innovations in social psychiatry. They became known as the "Tavistock Group," since the core members had been at the pre-war Tavistock Clinic. At the post-war Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, they developed a pioneering mode of relating theory and practice, called in these volumes "The Social Engagement of Social Science." Previous volumes presented two of three interdependent perspectives: the socio-psychological (Volume I, 1990) and the socio-technical (Volume II, 1993). The latest volume, on the socio-ecological perspective, completes the set. The socio-ecological perspective is concerned with the coevolution of systems and their environments. It considers the broader environment which shapes not only the task environments of socio-technical organizations but the institutional and cultural environment that confronts the individual. Volume III focuses on nonhierarchical forms of organization facilitating inter-organizational relations in complex and rapidly changing environments. This perspective provides a guide to institution building for the future.
    I got a copy of this book after reading about it in William Engdahls Democracy as Cognitive Dissonance. It’s basically the science of how to manipulate ideological beliefs to form what appear to be spontaneous colour revolutions. As has been covered in this thread already.

    Quote Who is actually Antifa? How do we tell for sure, maybe because they are wearing all black? Lots of people wear all black, not the least of which including riot police.
    They make themselves known when they start setting fire to things, socio-anarchists that have no respect for life, society or common decency. There’s the lame ones that are pretty harmless who see protests as an excuse to virtue signal. Then there’s the organised ones like those in the project veritas videos exposed earlier in this thread. Basically seen at any event the deep state wants to shut down or rile up for whatever reason.

    Quote What if they all stop wearing black, and aren’t waving an Antifa flag, now how do we tell who is who? Is it because of what they’re chanting or saying out in the street? I see some more serious 1st Amendment issues with that, to go right along with the very real possibility of already legalized indefinite detention issues.
    The William Engdahl book above describes how social media was invented specifically for the use of swarming tactics by the technocracy. As a way to quickly spread a message and instigate colour revolutions, seemingly spontaneously. The dangerous antifa activists will be identified through their social network and personal actions. I’ve never seen any evidence of people wearing an antifa t-shirt being assassinated with one of Obama’s drones. Scientists studying legitimate cures for cancer have a higher disappearance rate than members of antifa ever will.

    Quote Another side issue I’m seeing here, is all the recent street violence really because of just Antifa alone? Rubbing them out of existence solves the problem? That sure is what it’s looking like. Nothing else to see here folks.
    No, it’s not just antifa alone. How many tentacles do the NGO’s and NED have to instigate civil unrest? they literally fund thousands of ideologically driven social justice groups that can be stirred up into a frenzy of protest. Antifa just has the biggest publicists and has been going on since WW2 so has plenty of inertia behind it. New tentacles of insurrection will keep popping up until the funding, the head of the organisation is cut from the equation. Hence the need for an insurrection act. Will that have potential for being abused by people in power, well yeah, tell me an act that doesn’t. But again it comes down to character development, as these charming fellas with guns represented when Antifa tried organising in their town last week. Antifa will slink away into obscurity when everyone wises up to their subversive tricks. And I haven’t checked the left vs right political compass of the folks living in this town below, but I already know I’d feel safer from government overreach living in a town like that than within any antifa territory. Isn’t this precisely what the 2nd amendment was written into the constitution for?

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    COEUR D’ALENE, IDAHO STANDS UP…ANTIFA STANDS DOWN!



    If you ventured to downtown Coeur d’Alene, Idaho last night you would think you had entered a Militia family reunion. No one has an accurate count of how many heavily armed citizens came out to support peaceful protestors and protect local businesses and citizens against shipped in ANTIFA members but it was certainly HUNDREDS, perhaps over a THOUSAND.

    We just drove downtown Coeur d’Alene. It is packed with armed citizens. I’ve never seen so many AR-15s in my life. There’s at least a thousand armed citizens walking on the sidewalks and the streets are packed with cars and trucks with guys in the back with AR-15 and American flags everywhere. We saw two protesters wearing their little black clothing and black masks and sitting on a step quietly with their little poster board sign saying “our system sucks!” Guess why they’re being so polite.”~Keith Gibson, Coeur d’Alene resident.
    Word got out that ANTIFA was going to ship in rioters to mingle with peaceful protestors in our quiet little town…and indeed they did as several white Mercedes vans were seen with dozens of people that didn’t belong in our community. It was also made known that they were planning to use the local WINCO store as their staging ground. After learning this, a well organized local group of concerned citizens set up a post in the parking lot to ensure that these unwelcomed invaders clearly understood that the citizens of Coeur d’Alene would have ZERO tolerance for any type of violence or destructive behavior in our town.

    Don’t tell me you’re peaceful and bring a crowbar to a protest…. not in our town… Was happy to remove it from their possession as we escorted him to his vehicle [ and just to clarify the guy in the beard handed me the crow bar when I requested it, His name is Sam and he did get that guy to leave ] Brett Surplus, Coeur d’Alene resident
    The downtown area of Coeur d’Alene, Id was wall to wall with armed citizens, who protected the city for the entire night. Many had posts directly in front of local businesses while others walked the sidewalks making their powerful presence known. Photo’s below courtesy of Mark Addy, Coeur d’Alene resident.



    What was witnessed last night, 06/01/20 in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, was PROOF that Good Guys with guns keep bad guys with evil intent away. There was unity in a cause to protect the community. There were young people, old people, individuals from all walks of life out patrolling the community and believe it or not, EVERYONE, except the ANTIFA creeps felt extremely safe!

    We were surrounded by people so heavily armed…there was literally thousands of guns of all types…most people had several different weapons on them and I never felt more safe in such a huge crowd in my entire life! ~Grayson Cross, Coeur d’Alene, Idaho resident.
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    From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":June 6 2020
    White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future
    Let's get the rest of it out there. Why just take a small part.

    From the webpage referenced in the above quote, search the thread to find the link:
    Quote How are they going to get away with the riots? By using a primary tool of destruction: WHITE GUILT.
    White guilt is being used to cause whites to sit around and let everything be destroyed without resistance. It took decades of university brainwashing to lower the morale of the white race far enough to cause whites to permit this, all done for a very high price tag in the form of student loans. This has come to fruition as shown in this video of a black guy who got a white woman to kneel.


    The black guy who did this video was not a bad guy, he did it as a social experiment to show how the white American intellect has been subverted in a substantial portion of the population. The original video was a lot longer and he tried this on multiple people, some refused to accept guilt, and all resisted to some extent except this one girl. And with this girl he documented a stunning truth about how whites can be guilted over nothing. To get that girl to behave like that she had to have been brainwashed to hate herself. This got trolled as being staged. The original video proved that was not the case, he was just checking random people to see what their responses would be to prove how screwed up "white guilt" is and this girl absolutely fell apart.

    There are actually quite a few whites who buy the B.S. and the way the MSM and celebrities are talking - where ANYONE who has the guts to say "white lives matter" immediately has their career destroyed - only reinforces it. Anyone who does not hate the white race is immediately banished. What could be the reason for this? Obviously a communist takeover, and because whites resist communism better than any other group, whites HAVE TO be destroyed or the plot will fail. Already they have accomplished such an enormous takeover they can destroy whoever they want on a whim but they still face obstacles, primarily the white gun owner. If they can convince people like this girl to hate their own race, such people become the perfect snitches - a hole in the wheel of freedom.

    It is not China. China is not the one paying the rioters. The rioters are being paid by Jonathan Soros via his front "Friends of Democracy". China is not paying the rioter's ways out of jail, Hollywood and other prominent American institutions are, including large corporations that are not Chinese. China is not making American politicians support the rioters, or causing prosecutors to release arsonists.

    We, - from the "chinese accusations" going around, blaming them for what is obviously not theirs - ought to be able to plainly see the end game: war with China. They want Americans blaming Chinese for their burning homes and destroyed businesses and empty food pantry - they want Americans blaming Chinese for the destruction of American society - so Americans look away from who really did things and support a war with China, thus allowing Western based communists to expel Xi and put in their own system there.

    China obviously has NOTHING to do with the riots when it is white people organizing the riots. It is well documented it is WHITE PEOPLE organizing the riots, only they probably won't say they are white, their religion gives them claim to a different race . . . . . while they subvert, subvert, subvert - - -

    The extent to which police forces are not taking action against rioters clearly shows the level of subversion in America by those that want America destroyed. And those paying the rioters way out of jail are among the subverters, don't kid yourself into believing they actually think they have a social cause, they do not and they know they do not. It is all about subversion and destroying the United States and Western civilization.

    Record and remember every single hollywood actor and every public figure that paid these people's way out of jail. When they produce a product, remember - THEY HATE YOU, are you really wise to let their content influence you? Remember every city that had these people released from jail. Remember every city that never jailed them. These are the cities that are run by enemies of the American people, and they must be dealt with directly. They are such extreme enemies they want even their own communities destroyed, provided the destruction does not get into their gated area.

    The American system is so subverted the perpetrators behind the riots are untouchable. Until ALL the big names both public and private are behind bars, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Fauci and Gates walk free after the corona scam, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Gretchen Whitmer or Lori Lightfoot walk free, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Soros and EVERYONE who organized antifa walk free, the subversion remains in place. Don't kid yourself and rejoice when ONE gets burned, this has to go all the way down to the police forces, city councils and mayors of even smaller cities like Peoria Illinois. Every damn last one that sold out and laughed while America burned has to be called to account and jailed or we are going nowhere from here.

    It is up to YOU to enforce the law when the government becomes your enemy and allows you to be raped
    It is not even news that an enormous pile of cities have told their police to stand down so the rioters can loot and destroy whatever they want. That means protecting your city is up to you. AND YOU MUST TAKE ACTION.
    TAKE ACTION.
    If you see them looting a Wal Mart, pull up and start shooting or your food is going to be gone. Bullets skyward to scare them off but if they attack, blow their guts out. It is not a game anymore. Serious damage that actually threatens the entire nation is being done, and if the police resist having you shut the riot down, they are rioters, deal with them equally. Today is the day the vigilante is going to have to become law enforcement. There's no way out of it - there is simply no other choice when city councils, leadership, and police forces seek to destroy the city and wipe their inhabitants out by inviting these people.
    How bad does the subversion have to be to get the police to stand down and the city leadership to invite the rioters, like what happened in Sterling Heights, where city leaders actually asked for riots to be held there after expelling the national guard and telling the police not to act? so bad it amounts to the alien invasion in Independence day, where all that is wanted is for you to be eliminated. So bad the city council equals the TET in Oblivion.
    When it gets that bad, if people don't take the law into their own hands they will be TOAST, and with such a large amount of the American populace being armed, accepting that would be inexcusable. The people of Sterling Heights had damn well better take action, it's showtime Saturday at (approximately) 4 PM at the Golden Circle, right in the center of the shopping district. Hopefully this post will stop it entirely, or at least force the "visitors" to be peaceful and even if nothing bad happens, it was wanted - the residents of Sterling Heights and many other cities had damn well better expel their governments.
    It is up to the American gun owner to save the nation
    The Communists seriously screwed up. All along they have wanted guns banned, and they just showed us what the second amendment is for. They just showed us that we really could lose law enforcement and have governments be complicit in destroying us, thus leaving our guns as the only ultimate answer. We are there. We have seen it. The conspiracy is not theory anymore.
    Remember this day forever. While promising us security, the FBI and greater American intelligence plus the government at the federal, state, and local levels were complicit in the opposite. Where was the "department of homeland security" through all of this? Why do they even exist? Rather than provide any safety at all, ALL OF THESE instead flagged "white supremacists" as the threat. You know. YOU. THEY FLAGGED YOU. Just for saying your life matters. Just for wanting to defend your family, your home, your business. -

    The promise of providing security at the expense of freedom has been totally and completely violated. We have been shown BEYOND DOUBT that only one thing was desired by them - our freedom while "security" was an empty promise. It is time to kick ass and get back to before 911. It is time for the cops to stop being a-holes who only serve the state. It is time to fire every damn one that has had Israeli training. It is time to expel every last leader that SCREWED US with both Coronavirus and these riots. We know who they are now, the curtain has been lifted. It is time to declare we are not terrorists and don't deserve to be treated as such with every encounter with law enforcement. It is time to take America back. And if they continue with this riot psy op, or project blue beam, or an alien invasion, or even a war, we cannot back off on TAKING AMERICA BACK.
    This topic is one of the most important issues we have to address right now as a nation and as a world and the discussion has indeed reached the world. So it is not just an American question. Never really has been.

    For those who study the historical aspect of this question between communism and capitalism, it is a general understanding that in the era when that battle was primary, there was a racial component to it that had to do with the civil rights struggle and the black power nationalist movements that have existed probably as long as this nation has but that is most quickly recognized as being associated with the black panthers. When you look at this from the position of immersion within the system, the monetary and ideological battle is enjoined beyond most people's desires to understand and so they don't. For them it is rage against the machine, as it is for everyone.

    i'd argue now that the cultural groundswelling coming from the roots is not at all about any of that communist/capitalist dichotomy, it is more an expression of mass popular culture and corporatism, if anything. We can't help but represent the sub-cultures we come from in these discussions or think through the lenses our individuated matriculation within our national systems. As we each view the truth through these lenses, our interpretations so follow and align, even within the "rarified" discussions of the AltCom.

    Getting beyond those programmed lenses, is our individuated and collective task, whether we accept that consciously or not.

    Nobody wants to destroy America and nobody wants our culture to change into some alien construct called communism that doesn't even exist in the same way in Russia today as it has historically. Knowledge of the oligarchical structuring of the higher echelons of the economic elite as well as the hysterical underpinnings of the stock market and economics in general belies the lived validity of capitalist, communist and socialist models. The structural similarities between what people really do and what is theorized always differ, especially within the crucible of human creativity that we exist in within every moment. People can posit but are rarely fully correct and interpretations that imply that most people in the world are inherently violent are arguably not so.

    Certainly, nobody wants to just kill white people. Maybe some do but we keep those cousins and friends of our friends away from things that could get us all in trouble and that is what society does, it civilizes its members by generally accepted mores that hold, more or less, while society is, more or less, civilized, according to some or any form of definition of that word. Black people in America do not want to come for your children or your guns. I repeat. We don't want your kids. You don't have to grab them when I, or any black man or woman, walks by you at a park or on the streets. Nobody, generally and largely, wants to fight. Everybody, broadly stated, wants to f'ing chill.

    Enjoy these energies. It's absolutely amazing out there right now.

    What the billionaires do, what the cabals do, that's their thing. We like Jay-Z he's got cool clothes. Miley Cyrus sure grew up and she let us know. Boycott Walmart. Some black folks love Country, some country folks love Hip Hop. I'm not going to wear a mask because it is uncomfortable.

    Corporate culture is ubiquitous and the masses know that we have the techology to live the scifi "future". And not the dysutopian one. I mean, they really know. All of this bombshell information coming out in the mainstream regarding the state of the sciences, technology, space force and UAPs? For those out there trying to wake up family and friends, it's like, all of a sudden everyone just decided, "yeah, we know, so what. Gas is cheap. Let's go to the beach."

    Nobody will really be surprised if Honda came out with an honest ta goodness functioning hovercar for sale at an affordable price, tomorrow. Not really. We've been conditioned since birth to expect them. The energies and times are ripe for a waterfall of black program revelations.

    We can still have countries if we want them. Nations. People aren't going to sleep with people they don't want to sleep with and have babies and that's their business. Cops need to chill too and if they can't we'll make them damn it.

    STOP THE FEAR.

    if anything comes from knowing the power of the people it is knowing that when we march on Michigan with guns, when we go to the street to tell the cops to chill, when we stop what we're doing and address what really matters the people win. Period full stop.

    This is the Light. This is what it looks like. The conspiracies are open facts now. Critical mass for shift seems to have arrived and we need to see and talk about it that way in the midst of it.
    Remember that show, My Name is Earl? That's real life that's why people liked it. There are very few places where the essential conflicts we often discuss in the AltCom are seen in the kind of "purity" we seek to assay here, the complexities of the modern world and the global nature of our individual interactions is mind-boggling when you truly consider it and we take it for granted.

    What it boils down to are the times. Even the cops want to chill. While the drama in my town of San Marcos, TX was a bit much during this first flush of police reform - a cop ambush resulting in the death of a cop and the injury of 2 others even happened by an undocumented THE WEEK of our council vote for cite and release - the majority of cops are ok with it and want it because they are good people. They want to serve their community.

    If I were looking at strange coincidences, I can point to the fact that my wife, son and I drove into the small duplex complex earlier the day of the ambush for the first time ever in either of our times in San Marcos. Coincidence? Conspiracy?

    PEOPLE. Are in charge of this. It is amazing to watch it and to feel the energy coming from every part of America, even from the most segregated and conservative enclaves. We've had enough of a certain kind of violence in America and, hopefully, other places as well.

    What we read and write in regards to what the cabals want is not what the world wants, it seems. Those who make the decisions are dealing with the most mercurial-but-ponderous collective human decisions in their desire to continue to manifest their machinations. And the results are what we, more or less, identify as the fulfillment of AltCom prophecies and at least assay their general conditions, enough to confirm their conspiratorial bonafides and thereafter prognosticate as ta what should happen next, if our a priori analysis was correct in the first place.

    It is tempting to sit back and watch it all and to put it all into the context of larger plans and those would be true. Since the pyramids we've collectively agreed to some form of divine kingship and dispensation of powers and principalities, no matter how externally derived from other systems and levels of reality. As a record to the extent of the potentialities, the AltCom is representative of the whistleblower testimony and range of technology that we have to choose from, which many across the world do, through the MSM indirectly or from casual web surfing. It "feels" as if some critical mass has been reached.

    And there are 6 planets in retrograde right now.

    If my presence can make a change, what can yours do. Take the discussion higher by engaging it at any level. If you are tempted to consider all of this purely academically and from a level beyond emotivity, reconsider. This is about the energies. Including your energy. Right now. We all contribute, electro-magnetically, collective-unconsciously, or however you want to identify your favorite conceits of consciousness.

    Billions of people doing this right now is why we are where we are having this family battle royale at all. Individual orientation shifts with the material circumstances at some level but, for those who see human nature as static to some extent have to wonder considering the infinite vagaries of expression that psychics can see but not fully predict accurately. We are, more or less, genetically designed to get along in herds, purposefully or not. That peace is not the default is the peculiarity of human behavior that has to be examined fully for its implications and its expressions right now, in this moment and each in which conflict arises that invoke programmed, systemic responses from individuals.

    There are implications that we must continue to bring forth and discuss, in regards to implementation of the control systems that we are aware have been put in place, as we must break them down to allow for the most viable forms of governance for whatever level of control we are all willing to accept. There was a post somewhere earlier where a graph of ideological stances was shared, I think it was Bill, whoever it was, I'm re-purposing it a bit and thank you:



    The question I have for Project Avalon, in support of earlier questions is: how do we move into this future together? By our individualized and collective choice? How do we utilize all we know we have and make it work while maintaining our kin networks inviolate and forgoing all of the negative externalities and internalities of the panoptic state? Working within the context of the real, the world as it is, as far as we can best individually ascertain it and co-create a future including the proud boys and antifa and without genocide and total global meltdown?

    If it is going to happen, it's not going to be in the MSM. And it's not going to look completely like what either side of the equation envisions. We need each other. Our future is intertwined, and everybody knows it.
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    Let's get the rest of it out there. Why just take a small part. Forgive me for not providing links, italics or bolding as I usually do.

    This topic is one of the most important issues we have to address right now as a nation and as a world and the discussion has indeed reached the world. So it is not just an American question. Never really has been.

    For those who study the historical aspect of this question between communism and capitalism, it is a general understanding that in the era when that battle was primary, there was a racial component to it that had to do with the civil rights struggle and the black power nationalist movements that have existed probably as long as this nation has but that is most quickly recognized as being associated with the black panthers. When you look at this from the position of immersion within the system, the monetary and ideological battle is enjoined beyond most people's desires to understand and so they don't. For them it is rage against the machine, as it is for everyone.

    i'd argue now that the cultural groundswelling coming from the roots is not at all about any of that communist/capitalist dichotomy, it is more an expression of mass popular culture and corporatism, if anything.

    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    From Jim Stone, the same idea that was at work during WW II: carpet bombing of the corner stores to eliminate the competition out of existence and be replaced with the likes of "US Aid" and its "Economic Hitmen":June 6 2020
    White action or inaction TODAY will determine our future
    How are they going to get away with the riots? By using a primary tool of destruction: WHITE GUILT.
    White guilt is being used to cause whites to sit around and let everything be destroyed without resistance. It took decades of university brainwashing to lower the morale of the white race far enough to cause whites to permit this, all done for a very high price tag in the form of student loans. This has come to fruition as shown in this video of a black guy who got a white woman to kneel.


    The black guy who did this video was not a bad guy, he did it as a social experiment to show how the white American intellect has been subverted in a substantial portion of the population. The original video was a lot longer and he tried this on multiple people, some refused to accept guilt, and all resisted to some extent except this one girl. And with this girl he documented a stunning truth about how whites can be guilted over nothing. To get that girl to behave like that she had to have been brainwashed to hate herself. This got trolled as being staged. The original video proved that was not the case, he was just checking random people to see what their responses would be to prove how screwed up "white guilt" is and this girl absolutely fell apart.

    There are actually quite a few whites who buy the B.S. and the way the MSM and celebrities are talking - where ANYONE who has the guts to say "white lives matter" immediately has their career destroyed - only reinforces it. Anyone who does not hate the white race is immediately banished. What could be the reason for this? Obviously a communist takeover, and because whites resist communism better than any other group, whites HAVE TO be destroyed or the plot will fail. Already they have accomplished such an enormous takeover they can destroy whoever they want on a whim but they still face obstacles, primarily the white gun owner. If they can convince people like this girl to hate their own race, such people become the perfect snitches - a hole in the wheel of freedom.

    It is not China. China is not the one paying the rioters. The rioters are being paid by Jonathan Soros via his front "Friends of Democracy". China is not paying the rioter's ways out of jail, Hollywood and other prominent American institutions are, including large corporations that are not Chinese. China is not making American politicians support the rioters, or causing prosecutors to release arsonists.

    We, - from the "chinese accusations" going around, blaming them for what is obviously not theirs - ought to be able to plainly see the end game: war with China. They want Americans blaming Chinese for their burning homes and destroyed businesses and empty food pantry - they want Americans blaming Chinese for the destruction of American society - so Americans look away from who really did things and support a war with China, thus allowing Western based communists to expel Xi and put in their own system there.

    China obviously has NOTHING to do with the riots when it is white people organizing the riots. It is well documented it is WHITE PEOPLE organizing the riots, only they probably won't say they are white, their religion gives them claim to a different race . . . . . while they subvert, subvert, subvert - - -

    The extent to which police forces are not taking action against rioters clearly shows the level of subversion in America by those that want America destroyed. And those paying the rioters way out of jail are among the subverters, don't kid yourself into believing they actually think they have a social cause, they do not and they know they do not. It is all about subversion and destroying the United States and Western civilization.

    Record and remember every single hollywood actor and every public figure that paid these people's way out of jail. When they produce a product, remember - THEY HATE YOU, are you really wise to let their content influence you? Remember every city that had these people released from jail. Remember every city that never jailed them. These are the cities that are run by enemies of the American people, and they must be dealt with directly. They are such extreme enemies they want even their own communities destroyed, provided the destruction does not get into their gated area.

    The American system is so subverted the perpetrators behind the riots are untouchable. Until ALL the big names both public and private are behind bars, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Fauci and Gates walk free after the corona scam, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Gretchen Whitmer or Lori Lightfoot walk free, the subversion remains in place. For as long as Soros and EVERYONE who organized antifa walk free, the subversion remains in place. Don't kid yourself and rejoice when ONE gets burned, this has to go all the way down to the police forces, city councils and mayors of even smaller cities like Peoria Illinois. Every damn last one that sold out and laughed while America burned has to be called to account and jailed or we are going nowhere from here.

    It is up to YOU to enforce the law when the government becomes your enemy and allows you to be raped
    It is not even news that an enormous pile of cities have told their police to stand down so the rioters can loot and destroy whatever they want. That means protecting your city is up to you. AND YOU MUST TAKE ACTION.
    TAKE ACTION.
    If you see them looting a Wal Mart, pull up and start shooting or your food is going to be gone. Bullets skyward to scare them off but if they attack, blow their guts out. It is not a game anymore. Serious damage that actually threatens the entire nation is being done, and if the police resist having you shut the riot down, they are rioters, deal with them equally. Today is the day the vigilante is going to have to become law enforcement. There's no way out of it - there is simply no other choice when city councils, leadership, and police forces seek to destroy the city and wipe their inhabitants out by inviting these people.
    How bad does the subversion have to be to get the police to stand down and the city leadership to invite the rioters, like what happened in Sterling Heights, where city leaders actually asked for riots to be held there after expelling the national guard and telling the police not to act? so bad it amounts to the alien invasion in Independence day, where all that is wanted is for you to be eliminated. So bad the city council equals the TET in Oblivion.
    When it gets that bad, if people don't take the law into their own hands they will be TOAST, and with such a large amount of the American populace being armed, accepting that would be inexcusable. The people of Sterling Heights had damn well better take action, it's showtime Saturday at (approximately) 4 PM at the Golden Circle, right in the center of the shopping district. Hopefully this post will stop it entirely, or at least force the "visitors" to be peaceful and even if nothing bad happens, it was wanted - the residents of Sterling Heights and many other cities had damn well better expel their governments.
    It is up to the American gun owner to save the nation
    The Communists seriously screwed up. All along they have wanted guns banned, and they just showed us what the second amendment is for. They just showed us that we really could lose law enforcement and have governments be complicit in destroying us, thus leaving our guns as the only ultimate answer. We are there. We have seen it. The conspiracy is not theory anymore.
    Remember this day forever. While promising us security, the FBI and greater American intelligence plus the government at the federal, state, and local levels were complicit in the opposite. Where was the "department of homeland security" through all of this? Why do they even exist? Rather than provide any safety at all, ALL OF THESE instead flagged "white supremacists" as the threat. You know. YOU. THEY FLAGGED YOU. Just for saying your life matters. Just for wanting to defend your family, your home, your business. -

    The promise of providing security at the expense of freedom has been totally and completely violated. We have been shown BEYOND DOUBT that only one thing was desired by them - our freedom while "security" was an empty promise. It is time to kick ass and get back to before 911. It is time for the cops to stop being a-holes who only serve the state. It is time to fire every damn one that has had Israeli training. It is time to expel every last leader that SCREWED US with both Coronavirus and these riots. We know who they are now, the curtain has been lifted. It is time to declare we are not terrorists and don't deserve to be treated as such with every encounter with law enforcement. It is time to take America back. And if they continue with this riot psy op, or project blue beam, or an alien invasion, or even a war, we cannot back off on TAKING AMERICA BACK.


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