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    When I'm waiting for a train, and its late, I thank my lucky stars and count my blessings that I'm not living in a fascist country. When it was born, Antifa was up against literal fascists.




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    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    These crowds of paid activists are miniscule.
    Yes, it does not even resemble Henry Ford's statement that if people understood what was being done by "major players", there would be a revolution by morning.

    I guess most of them still do not understand.

    If I am supposed to take a disease seriously, then, you will have to show me something like 1/3 of the population getting hammered around the same time. Likewise for a so-called movement, six blocks of Seattle is nothing, you would have to at least "fill the Kingdome" for it to look like anything. These are more like a bunch of home movies that the rest of us are supposed to take seriously.

    Yes, I think you are right that some bikers and other demographics will not put up with much.

    So far, these rioters, and most of the "civilian guards", are sheep.

    What this means in military terms is...you can't pull the trigger.

    It is in fact pretty common among soldiers, especially conscripts.

    If I would have had today off, there would have been an opportunity to protest the protest. Quite a few local statues were disturbed, including one of a black Confederate soldier. I can't, because I have to work too much, since right now, the American workforce is nearly useless. I suppose that is because if you lost a job somewhere else, you will be paid much more to "stay at home" than to work with me.

    I will offer a temporary deal that says, I will not go to town just to hurt or kill someone like a sniper. I also won't go to try to stand around and look cool. I don't have an intimidating biker club, but, I can get rid of a bunch of sheep. Too much self-righteous pissing contest going on here.

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    Hrm. They have won a small battle in statue removal. My state just decided to remove its final Confederate statue so the whole thing is sanitized.

    Meanwhile, a bill came up to spend $4 million for some African American statues.

    Right now it has stalled, because someone realized that maybe they shouldn't put out any statues if they are just going to get knocked over.

    Well, that's right, since you legitimize removal of whatever, then, I can pretty much promise you, those, too, will be removed, in far less than a hundred years.

    Destruction appears to be a more effective tactic than voting. This is a dangerous precedent.

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    Why have Antifa escape a starring role for the previous riots? The press is more likely to attack Trump than Antifa. Sometimes the press even refused to believe Antifa exist.

    Tim Pool, who loves Trump, thinks this was because it's the path of least resistance; it's not illegal, or risky, to attack Trump. Antifa, on the other hand, are an illusive, secretive group. Their whole modus operandi is based round causing significant damage to the system while remaining undetected and secretive.

    For example, they will arrange a crowd, who wears black as instructed, then blend in to a bigger crowd. It's a deliberate 'theater of war' tactic. They are a paramilitary organisation.

    The press takes a path of least resistance with Antifa, with their violence. Journalists like Mike Stuchbery defend Antifa and seem proud of them in some way. Antifa get it wrong all the time while they look for 1940's fascists, but it doesn't stop them causing destruction.
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    Feds ARREST Antifa "Ringleader," Trump Deploys Unit To Protect Statues On July 4th From Far Left
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    It is not the President doing it, but, a governor.


    Atlanta is receiving probably 1,000 National Guard over the violence. The mayor has coronavirus.

    Atlanta has an odd relation to Justice.


    Despite the spelling, it has nothing to do with Atlantis.

    No, it was a girl, Atalanta. For whatever reason, she has an obscure Greek goddess name, from "atalantos", equal in weight, related to "talantos", a scale or balance. So there, even if perhaps by accident, you have placed yourself under Virgo and her scale of justice, Libra. It's entirely possible that Atalanta's *individual* myth, if unlocked, has something specifically to do with the city itself; I don't know. Because she is a virgin whose name is "balance", she's Virgo-Libra. Not as in the pure eternal virgin like Sophia, because, she loses virginity, so the story indicates some kind of fall into matter, some kind of obstacle.

    And further, if the claim that some of the first "Rosicrucians" had a few authentic manuscripts or Kalachakra-keys, which, for their own protection, they had to cloak in Christian garb, holds any weight--then this tract, for whatever reason, is inspired by that very same goddess, and for some reason, is not in every edition of the Glossary:

    Atalanta Fugiens (Lat.). A famous treatise by the eminent Rosicrucian Michael Maier; it has many beautiful engravings of Alchemic symbolism: here is to be found the original of the picture of a man and woman within a circle, a triangle around it, then a square: the inscription is, “From the first ens proceed two contraries, thence come the three principles, and from them the four elementary states ; if you separate the pure from the impure you will have the stone of the Philosophers”.

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    https://twitter.com/RealBasedMAGA/st...89160095879169

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    Seattle police are broken by the system.

    From twitter:
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    Quote The Seattle police chief informs business owners that they are on their own against rioters. The city council has tied her hands. The police do not have the tools to combat mob violence.


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    Police Department________________________________________ _______

    July 24, 2020



    Dear Business Owner and/or resident:

    Please know that the Seattle Police Department is committed to addressing life safety incidents and calls for service, and responding to ongoing demonstrations and unrest in the city.

    Please also know that the City Council Ordinance 119805 Crowd Control Tool goes into effect this weekend on Sunday, July 26, 2020. This ordinance bans Seattle Police officers the use of less lethal tools, including pepper spray that is commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent. Simply put, the legislation gives officers NO ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd.

    It is important to bring to your attention that yesterday, I sent the City Council a letter ensuring them that as the Chief of Police, I have done my due diligence of informing them numerous times of the foreseeable impact of this ordinance on upcoming events. The letter is attached for your reference.

    For these reasons, Seattle Police will have an adjusted deployment in response to any demonstrations this weekend - as I will never ask our officers to risk their personal safety to protect property without the tools to do so in a safe way

    Sincerely,

    Carmen Best
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    From https://thenation.com/article/society/dhs-antifa-syria

    Homeland Security Is Quietly Tying Antifa to Foreign Powers

    3 August, 2020

    An intelligence report obtained exclusively by THE NATION mentions several Americans, including a left-wing podcast host.

    Department of Homeland Security intelligence officials are targeting activists it considers antifa and attempting to tie them to a foreign power, according to a DHS intelligence report obtained exclusively by The Nation.

    The intelligence report, titled “The Syrian Conflict and Its Nexus to the U.S.-based Antifascist Movement,” mentions several Americans, including a left-wing podcast host who traveled to Syria to fight ISIS.

    The report includes these individuals’ personal information, including their Social Security numbers, home addresses, and social media accounts, much of the data generated by the DHS’s Tactical Terrorism Response Teams. As the intelligence report states, “ANTIFA is being analyzed under the 2019 DHS Strategic Framework for Countering Terrorism (CT) and Targeted Violence.”

    Dated July 14, the document, marked for official use only and law enforcement sensitive, draws on a blend of publicly available information and state and federal law enforcement intelligence. It was provided to The Nation by a source who previously worked on DHS intelligence.

    “They targeted Americans like they’re Al Qaeda,” a former senior DHS intelligence officer with knowledge of the operations told The Nation. The officer, who served for years in the DHS’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A), compared the operations to the illegal surveillance of activists during the civil rights era. “They essentially were violating people’s rights like this was the ’60s…the type of shit the Church and Pike committee[s] had to address.”

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    While the law generally prohibits intelligence agencies from spying on US residents, many of those protections do not apply if the individual is believed to be acting as an agent of a foreign power.

    “Designating someone as foreign-sponsored can make a huge legal and practical difference in the government’s ability to pursue them,” explained Steven Aftergood, who heads the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. “It’s a crucial distinction. Once someone (or some group) is identified as an agent of a foreign power, they are subject to warrantless search and surveillance in a way that would be illegal and unconstitutional for any other US person. The whole apparatus of US intelligence can be brought to bear on someone who is considered an agent of a foreign power.”

    Current Issue

    Last week the DHS reassigned its intelligence chief after The Washington Post revealed that the agency had been compiling intelligence reports on American journalists and activists in Portland, Ore. In response to President Trump’s executive order to protect monuments and other federal property, the DHS created the Protecting American Communities Task Force, which sent DHS assets to Portland and other cities. The agency has found itself in transition under the Trump administration.“They are always pressuring I&A for political reasons. It’s been like that since the election,” the former intelligence officer said.

    This weekend, Politico reported that DHS Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli loosened oversight of I&A. Cuccinelli, at I&A’s request, curtailed the requirement that the DHS’s Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties approve I&A’s intelligence products before distribution to law enforcement partners.

    The intelligence report’s executive summary states:
    In June 2020, U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) National Targeting Center (NTC) Counter Network Division (CND) compiled CBP encounter data on individuals who returned from Syria and fought with the Yekîneyên Parastina Gel (YPG, translation: PEOPLE’S PROTECTION UNITS), and had some with reported ties to a U.S.-based ANTIFA (Anti-fascist) movement. CBP concerns about and interest in these individuals stem from the types of skills and motivations that may have developed during their time overseas in foreign conflicts.
    These skills were also appreciated by the US military, which cooperated with the YPG in fighting ISIS for years. Last year Trump enraged many in the US military when he green-lit a Turkish offensive against the Kurdish militia. Jim Mattis reportedly resigned as defense secretary in part because of what he considered a betrayal of our Kurdish allies.

    The intelligence report describes over half a dozen people who traveled to Syria in order to fight alongside Kurdish factions—usually the YPG but also other Kurdish groups like the PKK and the Peshmerga. Some of the individuals described have denied membership in antifa but variously identified with far-left causes. The DHS appears to define antifa broadly to encompass various left-wing tendencies: “Antifa is driven by a mixed range of far-left political ideologies, including anti-capitalism, communism, socialism, and anarchism.” In two cases, evidence of antifa affiliation was limited to photos taken in front of an antifa flag. As the intelligence report notes, “ANTIFA claims no official leadership,” raising questions about whether antifa even exists in any sort of operational capacity.

    The first individual mentioned in the intelligence report, Brace Belden, cohosts the popular left-wing podcast TrueAnon and fought with the YPG in 2016. The information appears to be partly drawn from a 2017 article on him in Rolling Stone, which described him as “a minor criminal and drug addict who started reading Marx and Lenin in drug rehabilitation treatment and became involved in a number of political causes before deciding to fight alongside the YPG.”

    The report says of an encounter between Belden and border authorities:
    U.S. citizen (USC) Brace BELDEN was encountered on 08 April 2017, arriving in San Francisco, California from Frankfurt, Germany. BELDEN was returning from a six month tour of volunteering to fight with the YPG under the umbrella of the Syrian Democrat Forces (SDF) fighting ISIS in Syria as part of the ongoing Raqqa offensive starting in November 2016 to retake Raqqa from ISIS. BELDEN stated he recently learned that an open source article had been written about him and his “Anarchist” fighters.
    Belden scoffed at the association. “I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of any antifa organization,” he told The Nation. “The US government has been spying on and smearing communists for 100 years, but they usually have the decency not to call a Red an anarchist.”

    “There appears to be a clear connection…between ANTIFA ideology and Kurdish democratic federalism teachings and ideology,” the intelligence report states. At least one of the activists listed is described as ethnically Kurdish.

    On May 31, Trump vowed to designate antifa a terrorist organization. While antifa groups have engaged in acts of property destruction, antifa has not been linked to a single killing in the United States, according to data compiled in the past 25 years by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. By contrast, the same data found that far-right extremist groups killed 329 people.

    The intelligence report appears to conclude that the individuals described were not acting on behalf of a foreign group—save for one unnamed person.

    “Aside from a single instance derived from open-source reporting, there does not appear to be evidence of a centralized effort to give marching orders to returning ANTIFA-affiliated USPER [US person] foreign fighters once they return to the United States.”










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    Another one for the archives.

    Apparently they started by attacking a veteran in a wheelchair.

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    Footage allegedly shows police first detaining armed Antifa 'demonstrators', then letting them go.



    PARALLELS..

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    Footage allegedly shows police first detaining armed Antifa 'demonstrators', then letting them go.



    PARALLELS..

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    I think those were agent provocateurs that identified themselves to the cop. Before he went off his rocker, Alex Jones showed how that was done a long time ago in Seattle.

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    Another piece of the puzzle perhaps?

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    I can't say I'm surprised to find this festering in the murky interior. This 'angle' seems to fester everywhere.

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    And they're onboard with antifa. Ask yourself: are the goals of anti-fascism commensurable with satanism?

    With all the digging that's been done so far on antifa, the dirt that's been dug, the stones turned over, can you honestly say this doesn't stink?

    Not saying antifa are satanists, but if satanists align with, and are attracted by, antifa, what does that say? Surely by now you have to arrive at the conclusion, taking everything else into consideration, that antifa are not what they appear to be.

    And consider the roots of this group...

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    I think most of them are mercenaries, being directed and paid to loot, burn, destroy and agitate quite frankly on behalf of political bad actors, whoever they may be. There are theories for that.

    I am antifascist. Who isn't! But this is not what anti-fascism looks like.






    This is what anti-fascism looks like.

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    Thread on many of George Soros funding operations

    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300650506952605697

    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1...747519495?s=20




    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1...454944769?s=20




    interesting thread on what may be happening behind the scenes to legally go after Antifa:

    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1300592826170908675



    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1...231973376?s=20

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    Related reading material for those who may still not have got it yet. This is a must on my reading list now

    From this site (https://fee.org/resources/marxism-un...o-destruction/ - Foundation For Economic Education - by way of some background:
    The lectures by Ludwig von Mises contained in Marxism Unmasked were delivered at the San Francisco Public Library, June 23–July 3, 1952, under the sponsorship of The Freeman magazine. They were taken down, word for word, in shorthand and transcribed by Mrs. Bettina Bien Greaves. She has very kindly made these lectures available to the Foundation for Economic Education for publication
    Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction
    by Ludwig Von Mises

    Downloadable from the site and also in the Avalon Library: http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ludw...20Unmasked.pdf

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    America's Riots Are Just the Latest Version of Marxist "Syndicalism"

    Source: The Mises Institute - Mises Wire

    August 26, 2020 - 6:37 PM Mark Thornton [1]
    Topics: Socialism [2]Strategy [3]The Police State [4]

    The year 2020 is one of the most disrupted times in at least the last half century, maybe longer. Global protests and riots, the covid-19 virus, lockdowns, and police killings of unarmed citizens. Add to that widespread rioting, looting, arson, homelessness, and destruction of property, including the tearing down of statues. This chaos in the streets is being facilitated by mayors, governors, and police chiefs who are unwilling to enforce the law.

    The great Ludwig von Mises included a discussion of “syndicalism” in chapter 33 of his Human Action: A Treatise on Economics [5]. Most people have never heard or read of this concept, but it is highly relevant to the situation we find ourselves in today. Mises’s analysis is even more important for understanding and fixing some of the most important problems we face today. In general, I define syndicalism as being able to do whatever you want at the expense of others.

    In part, it represents the ideas of French philosopher, Georges Sorel, who thought relentless violence should be used against the institutions of capitalism. This would include the “general strike” so familiar in Europe to this day. This is in direct contrast to mutually beneficial exchange and the social cooperation of the division of labor. His ideas were influential with Marxists, fascists, Nazis, and advocates of unionism.

    A Key Chapter in Mises's Human Action
    When I first tried to read Human Action, I found it extremely difficult. I ended up skipping entire chapters and reading through others without understanding the material. Chapter 33 is a good example of that. Today, reading the book is much easier, because we now have things like Jeff Deist’s Human Action Podcast [6], which now contains a series of interviews on the book, and Robert Murphy’s Study Guide to Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. [7]

    In the 1990s I taught a course in Austrian economics at Auburn University, an advanced undergraduate course. It was listed in the catalog next to the econometric and mathematical economics classes. I spent classes reviewing chapters, but the most difficult aspect was trying to relate Mises’s words and concepts to current events. Due to time constraints, I never covered chapter 33.

    Fast-forward to more recent times. The Rothbard Graduate Seminar reviews Human Action every few years along with Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State and other selections during other years. I have always been assigned to teach a section of chapters at the end of the book which includes chapter 33. Once again, due to time constraints and my perceived view of its relevancy, I have decided to skip the chapter. That is, until this year.

    What Is Syndicalism?
    So, what is syndicalism? Political syndicalism is direct violent revolutionary action against the institutions of capitalism, such as security forces, property, particularly business property, and the rule of law. This approach is often adopted by Marxists, socialists, and fascists as a means of gaining power. At the root of the chaos and upheaval on our streets is an attempt at disrupting society and taking more control of it by Marxists, socialists, and “anarchists.”

    The fundamental error that syndicalism makes is to think that entrepreneurs and capitalists are “irresponsible autocrats” free to pursue their personal agenda. The reality is that business leaders must follow the interests of consumers in order to further their self-interest in making profits. They have to find correct prices, production levels, and correct means of production. These things are determined by entrepreneurs with various types of feedback from the marketplace.

    The riots, looting, and violence against people and their property is mostly motivated to achieve Marxist ideals via syndicalist activity (i.e., violence). Those employing these means include Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and especially the “anarchist provocateurs” who adeptly turn peaceful protests into violent riots. Of course, there is also some violence on the right, some of which I witness on the campus of Auburn University. But in either case, with mayors, governors, and police chiefs restraining and even defunding the police, the violence often goes unchecked.

    The Other Type of Syndicalism
    This use of the word "syndicalism" should not be confused with the better-known syndicalism as a social system, which is an alternative to socialist central planning. This system in theory would give workers control over the industries in which they work. They would make the decisions on things entrepreneurs decide in the market, such as wage rates, benefits, hours, production, etc.

    The workers can do anything they want at the expense of others. But if everyone is raising their prices and reducing output, how can anyone gain from the arrangement? Both forms of syndicalism ultimately rest on the Marxist notions that entrepreneurs and capitalists exploit labor and have no real purpose worth rewarding. Obviously, each industry would want higher wages, higher prices, shorter working hours, and this would result in lower output. Raw material prices increase and get passed on to consumer goods industries, which must pass those increases on to the consumer along with their own increases. This happens across the entire economy. As a result, production plummets and prices become unhinged from market prices. The “economy” would collapse if syndicalism were attempted on an economywide basis.

    Democracy Fails to Provide a Solution
    With democracy and voting and the military not likely or viable options, an individualist option must be developed to solve the problem. People are arming themselves in various ways. They are using various security devices like cameras and stronger locks. Businesses are hiring security firms and protecting storefront windows. Others are simply moving from cities to the suburbs and beyond. Don’t expect government to solve the problem, although more secessionism and decentralization would surely help.

    Source URL: https://mises.org/wire/americas-riot...st-syndicalism
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    [1] https://mises.org/profile/mark-thornton
    [2] https://mises.org/topics/socialism
    [3] https://mises.org/topics/strategy
    [4] https://mises.org/topics/police-state
    [5] https://mises.org/library/human-action-0/html/p/901
    [6] https://mises.org/library/human-action-podcast
    [7] https://mises.org/library/study-guid...tise-economics
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    Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.



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    Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.



    How do we know they're Antifa? All I saw were people getting loaded into unmarked vans by guys looking like they're fresh from a battlefield in Iraq.

    And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but playing patriotic music in the background just doesn't sit well. Like, maybe a bit propagandistic or something? I saw another clip off that twitter thread where they were playing "Darth Vader's Theme" while chasing people down the street.

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    Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.



    I liked that they were playing America, the Beautiful. So many of the people involved in these protest/riots hate America.

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    Antifa terrorists being rounded up and arrested in Portland, while police blare 'America the Beautiful' over loudspeakers.



    How do we know they're Antifa? All I saw were people getting loaded into unmarked vans by guys looking like they're fresh from a battlefield in Iraq.
    I saw and was reading about it elsewhere, that seems to be the story on the ground. I believe it was a mix of BLM and antifa activists. The darth vader march was (supposedly) being played by the protesters as the police advanced.



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    And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but playing patriotic music in the background just doesn't sit well.
    SJWs want to cancel patriotic songs in my country. Because they wrongly believe they are racist, and that patriotism and nationalism are the same thing. They are not. At all.

    I thought America the Beautiful was perfect given the context. If it was me, it wouldn't matter who they were or what they were protesting, if these hooligans came rolling into my town shouting, smashing and burning, I'd be the first to cheer, with patriotic songs blaring, as they were cuffed by police and thrown into the back of a wagon.

    This was in Rochester NY, last night, a BLM mob tearing up a restaurant. If these are not domestic terrorists, then I don't know what is.



    I'm the first to support a just cause. These are not just causes. Antifa are a paramilitary hate group, trying to combat phantom fascism with fascism. Black Lives Matter I understand. I have every sympathy for black people, or any people, who have suffered from abuse and discrimination. They want to shine a light on these issues. Well this is NOT the way. If they want to fight racism, call out individual racists, and leave the rest of us who aren't racist alone.

    Violence and rebellion is not the way. Violence only begets violence, hatred only begets hatred. This can only feed off itself and escalate, and escalate.

    The longer they carry on with this the more enemies they'll make, and the more push back they'll get. People who were once compassionate and sympathetic to their plight no longer will be. Guns may even come out. The tolerance of most good folks has a limit. When people start getting killed (and they are), or when businesses start getting destroyed (and they are), it will blow up in their face. Worst case: BLM's agitating will create new racists. It could send their cause back a hundred years.
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    I would strongly suggest looking in detail at what happened in Yugoslavia. There is a great danger that history will repeat itself otherwise. Study how a large cohesive group, co-existing for centuries, all of one ethnicity, were slowly radicalized along religious lines. Soon even the police took sides. Then chaos reigned and atrocities occurred. No one thought it could happen there either. And it all started with people taking sides in a narrative with no winners and only losers. Instead of appealing to their shared heritage and standing on common ground, they chose to find division and respond with violence. After horrible bloodshed, Yugoslavia is now several smaller countries...
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