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    Just finished listening to this discussion between Karlyn Borysenko and Helen Pluckrose on "The Inherent Flaws of White Fragility". They take a deep dive into the book, the practice and it's effect on individuals, relationships and society.

    I had ignored the book for a long time as I was not feeling particularly fragile, then as I looked into it I found I did not resonate with the ideas that as a whiteish person I'm inherently racist and must admit that I am.

    The discussion covers the main ideas in the book and looks for balance with the problems we still face as a society.

    My thoughts on race and humanity is not so much black lives matter/all lives matter as honoring and respecting all Life in all it's manifestations. Though I admit I have a bit of a problem with fire ants...

    A million galaxies are a little foam on that shoreless sea. ~ Rumi

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    Quote Posted by Franny (here)
    I had ignored the book for a long time as I was not feeling particularly fragile, then as I looked into it I found I did not resonate with the ideas that as a whiteish person I'm inherently racist and must admit that I am.
    Well, you said that very mildly! This is illogical, cultish, ideological garbage. I'm comfortable stating that strongly.

    Many grounded people with an unobscured view of all this may have to start speaking out and saying things clearly and loudly. At least no-one's going to fire me from my job.

    But I loved your description of yourself. Whiteish Lives Matter might confuse all the algorithms. Maybe we should adopt that?

    Pink Lives Matter, Brown Lives Matter, Human Lives Matter, All Lives Matter. It's not possible to disagree unless one is oneself a racist.

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    Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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    I'm at a loss as to what to even say about all of this. When saying that all human lives matter is treated as more racist than saying that a particular race's lives matter, something has gone seriously wrong. I remember being in elementary school and having 'opposite days' with friends, where we would say the opposite of everything we meant. I feel like every day is 'opposite day' right now. It's really disheartening.
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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

    This is as idiotic and manipulative as whome ever you blame for doing the same thing. But I guess as it's comedy it is ok.

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    Quote Posted by ClearWater (here)
    I'm at a loss as to what to even say about all of this. When saying that all human lives matter is treated as more racist than saying that a particular race's lives matter, something has gone seriously wrong. I remember being in elementary school and having 'opposite days' with friends, where we would say the opposite of everything we meant. I feel like every day is 'opposite day' right now. It's really disheartening.
    We're in a kind of Orwellian, Alice-in-Wonderland, inverted reality right now. The list below may be just the tip of the iceberg.
    • white = racist and/or white supremacist
    • violent rioters and looters = protestors protected by 1st amendment rights
    • all lives matter = hate speech
    • catastrophic economic impact = rising stock market
    • mob rule, witch-hunting and censorship = social justice
    • >200% increase in NYC shootings = defund the police
    • ... and everyone is compliant, whether they know it or not.
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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Paul Joseph Watson reflecting on these crazy days of identity politics.

    This is as idiotic and manipulative as whome ever you blame for doing the same thing. But I guess as it's comedy it is ok.
    ~~~

    Go to 9:13—10:34. Ignore the rest, if you prefer.

    That's 1 minute, 21 seconds of a phenomenon that may be quite important to witness.

    No comedy [satire] there. Nothing at all to laugh at. That's straight on, hard-to-believe stuff that's really very sobering.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Go to 9:13—10:34. Ignore the rest, if you prefer.

    That's 1 minute, 21 seconds of a phenomenon that may be quite important to witness.

    No comedy [satire] there. Nothing at all to laugh at. That's straight on, hard-to-believe stuff that's really very sobering.

    I agree, I do think though that the video as it is serves no other purpose than to ridicule the current state of things and if conversation is the way to steer clear from the horrific future that is painted in the other 12 minutes of the video it is missing the mark by miles.

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    Yeah, this is nuts, part of the decoy psi-op, though unwittingly so. The real fragility in Canada is experienced by native Indians being beaten up by the police and getting away with it. When power is expressed in super precious terms while basically ignoring violent threats and actual violence, there is a huge problem.

    Modern white Canadians aren't racist but their police forces often are. It is a small exclusive club and we are only now starting to recognize it and address it on a national level...all due to black lives matter and the protests down South. They have made a difference.

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    When you realise you’ve joined the wrong movement




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    Here are some black lives that mattered.

    I copy this as a direct extract from Wade Frazier's most recent post, here.

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    The Kibeho massacre [in Rwanda: a Wiki article is here] was committed by Paul Kagame’s troops, and about 8,000 people were slaughtered – men- women, children, and the elderly – and it might have been more. About the only reason that we know about this is because 32 Australians witnessed it, as they were on UN assignment.

    They estimated the death toll, and they said that they were lucky to be alive, once Kagame’s men knew they were recording the incident, and their count was cut short. The Australians also thought that their presence stopped the slaughter from becoming more like 100,000 people, which was the camp’s population at the time.

    Those Hutu refugees were a small portion of Kagame’s slaughters, which run into the millions, but he is feted in the West as some kind of hero, and has photo ops with the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Gates. Ed wrote that Kagame may be the greatest living mass murderer.

    In the wake of that massacre, Kagame rejected all attempts for an international investigation, and picked his own team of “investigators” who concluded that less than 400 people died in the massacre. That count is about as credible as the ballot counts in Kagame’s “elections.” The “forensics” on those slaughtered people amounted to little more than bulldozing their bodies into mass graves. They were the standard “unworthy victims.”

    The Kibeho massacre was merely a footnote to the slaughter of millions of people, but almost nobody in the West knows about Kibeho or the millions of others who were slaughtered by Kagame’s forces.

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    Tons of Kagame's slaughters were inflicted with machetes and clubs. The lack of guns generally relegates people to doing things the old fashioned way.


    I am not sure how to clean the double-speak off the world. No one listens to me. "Official party" has billions of always-on mouthpieces. If someone was to say it to my face, I would probably make them cry. But again, in my experience, the somewhat normal thing of real conversations went out with 9/11. This point in time is a practically new generation where not only is the mutedness "normal", but it is like getting more Al Gore as supreme dictator in a subconscious monologue. Remember his wife, "Tipper"? She specifically went on tv to explain to us how Def Leppard's Pyromania album was going to make an arsonist of the listener.

    Even though we rebuked her and every other plastic copy of her, I am not seeing "Rock of Ages" having much to do with what we witness as arson. Rather, it seems more to be her and her husband's kiddies! What happened here??

    Then they compromised with all that PG-13 stuff and so forth. Of course, it was a fake solution to a non-problem, while, indeed, violent plots were carried out elsewhere.

    They made Ice-T remove "Cop Killer" from his album...pretty straightforward censorship over a "sensitive issue". So there is already this kind of generational history with censorship entwined with whatever "politically correct" is supposed to be. It's more detailed and extreme now, but, apparently the same entity as it was then.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here are some black lives that mattered.

    I copy this as a direct extract from Wade Frazier's most recent post, here.

    ~~~
    The Kibeho massacre [in Rwanda: a Wiki article is here] was committed by Paul Kagame’s troops, and about 8,000 people were slaughtered – men- women, children, and the elderly – and it might have been more. About the only reason that we know about this is because 32 Australians witnessed it, as they were on UN assignment.

    They estimated the death toll, and they said that they were lucky to be alive, once Kagame’s men knew they were recording the incident, and their count was cut short. The Australians also thought that their presence stopped the slaughter from becoming more like 100,000 people, which was the camp’s population at the time.

    Those Hutu refugees were a small portion of Kagame’s slaughters, which run into the millions, but he is feted in the West as some kind of hero, and has photo ops with the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Gates. Ed wrote that Kagame may be the greatest living mass murderer.

    In the wake of that massacre, Kagame rejected all attempts for an international investigation, and picked his own team of “investigators” who concluded that less than 400 people died in the massacre. That count is about as credible as the ballot counts in Kagame’s “elections.” The “forensics” on those slaughtered people amounted to little more than bulldozing their bodies into mass graves. They were the standard “unworthy victims.”

    The Kibeho massacre was merely a footnote to the slaughter of millions of people, but almost nobody in the West knows about Kibeho or the millions of others who were slaughtered by Kagame’s forces.

    The Pygmy race is a race that is under threat in Africa. Around the world other unique races are under threat. Including the Ainu and the Sami.

    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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    Racism is bad everywhere. Curious though how the killing of George Floyd and the demonization of the phrase all lives matter suddenly turns to Rwandees racism.

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    I believe we are now in the end game of Identity Politics. One of the most important things to understand about Identity Politics is how counter-productive it truly is (was) to the goal of increasing diversity. It doesn't increase diversity though, it merely denotes it. By focusing on the things that divide us, we become naturally less united. This was predictable in the beginning, it should be self-evident to everyone now.

    Real diversity is found in individuality, in individual traits, regardless and in spite of race, gender, or anything else. The data shows, the studies prove, that if you randomly select two average white men, the difference between them is absolutely no different the vast majority of the time than one average white man and one average black man. But identity politics would separate black and white merely because they are black and white. And that is racist.

    No spiritual person could possibly be racist, not when they understand that if they are white they were once black (and may be again), or if they are black they were once white, or Asian, or Aborigine - or male or female, tall or short, or whatever. The colour of skin we show is no more significant than the colour of sweater we wear. Because we are not that sweater, any more than we are that skin. We are souls. There is no Identity Politics in heaven.

    The bottom line is, the difference between the races or the sexes or the sexualities, is vanishingly smaller than the differences between the personality traits of the same given individuals in these so-called identity groups. This means there is more diversity WITHIN the groups than between groups. So now don't you see it's all a sham? It's also a plot, a plan, a psy-op. IP was never meant to combat hatred or division, but generate it.

    Do people not recall the famous quote: "I have a dream that my children will be judged not by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character"?

    Identity Politics turned this upside down by what it preached. Since the sixties we have arrived at: "I have a dream that my children will be judged not by the content of their character, but the colour of their skin, by their sexuality or their gender, their religion or their nationality or their political stance, by this, by that, by the other thing..." This is not simply prejudice, this is post-modernist philosophy at work. It is no more than loosely veiled intellectual satanism.

    Where do we stand right now? At critical mass, on the event horizon of the whole bloody mess made by this demonstrably harmful doctrine. Society is reaping what it has sown, or rather what (bad seeds) have been sown by design into its fabric.

    We are witnessing one coordinated flashpoint after another now, in order to stoke up more emotion and more hatred.

    Don't get me wrong, racism certainly exists, but in only in those who are racist. They're just racists. Forget them. Many can't be changed, many won't be. Walk away. It's their path and they will find the light in their own time, in this life or the next. For the rest of us though, the racism card is being thrust in our faces and rammed down our throats. That most people aren't racist is irrelevant. The media mob are mostly to blame, by proxy of the cruel and selfish people who run this planet. They're using race as a weapon to beat us with. They want to keep driving us into more and more divided groups, keeping us therefore living more and more divided lives, in doubt and suspicion and fear of each other. Again, the more 'diverse' we are the less united. It's perfect for 'them'. It stands to reason, to absolute bloody reason, at least to anyone still able to reason! What we may be confronted with here is an orchestrated attempt to tear the very structure of society itself apart, not just in America but all across the west, maybe across the whole world. The madness needs to stop now before it is too late. Otherwise, when all is said and done, people will welcome the globalist 'final solution' with open arms, and on a silver platter hand over their freedom, their liberty, and their sovereignty, quite unknowingly to the very same powers that engineered the destruction in the first place.
    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."
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    The genocide in Rwanda was not racist (as all the people involved were the same race) It was tribal.. Europeans and Middle Easterners have killed for hundreds of years over religion. The problem is Not always racism- it is our tendency towards tribalism and the demonization of the “other”.

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    Quote Posted by Catsquotl (here)
    Racism is bad everywhere. Curious though how the killing of George Floyd and the demonization of the phrase all lives matter suddenly turns to Rwandees racism.
    No, no racism there, as ahamkara correctly said in her post above. That wasn't my point.

    I wanted to draw the attention of Americans reading this, who might have been unaware, to recent major problems in Africa in which over a million black people were slaughtered like cattle. So many died that at some points the rivers were literally running with blood.

    And that's not the only African blood-spilling crisis that could have been listed, either. There have been many others.

    All Lives Matter. That's the title of the thread.

    Not just black lives in America. We need context, proportion, perspective, historical understanding, and a view of the whole world from 120,000 ft.

    No-one cared about what happened in Rwanda, because it wasn't politically expedient. Nothing useful could be leveraged from it. It may be useful to dwell on that just for a moment.

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    This seems to have really happened. (If not, please post a correction.)
    Young mom, 24, shot dead ‘after telling Black Lives Matter protesters “all lives matter” during argument about movement’



    A young mom was shot dead in Indianapolis in front of her fiancé after an argument about the Black Lives Matter movement. Jessica Doty Whitaker was walking with her partner Jose Ramirez and two friends at 3am on July 5 when they came across four men and a woman and an argument broke out.

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    Default Re: All Lives Matter

    "All lives matter" is controversial. Zuby has a rant about why he thinks this is wrong

    edit: previous video link by Zuby was broken, so I removed that one and replaced it with his latest blog... sort of works :/

    Last edited by Matthew; 21st July 2020 at 00:20.

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