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    Default Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    ...is a charlatan. Read below for proof. This has nothing to do with alternative treatments, like vitamins and minerals to maintain good health. It has everything to do with taking advantage of patients in the final stage of life, dying from cancer.

    I copied and pasted directly from transcript, so it won't read very smoothly. If you would like to read the whole thing, the link is down below.



    The Board's evidence will show the following: Patient A, 16 a young, beloved wife and mother. She is diagnosed with 17 cervical cancer, her cancer will spread, she is dying and 18 soon she will die. 19 Patient B is a young, beloved sister and aunt. She is 20 diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Her cancer will 21 metastasize and spread throughout her body, she is dying 22 and soon she will die. 23

    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 Patient C, a young, beloved husband and father who was 1 diagnosed with adrenal cell cancer. It will later spread 2 to his liver and lungs. He too is dying and he too will 3 soon die. 4 All three of these patients are holding on to life, tumors 5 are spreading throughout their body, surgery, radiation, 6 chemotherapy have all failed to halt the progression of 7 this insidious disease. The question is not whether the 8 cancer will kill them, the question is when. 9

    In these darkest of hours, Patients A, B and C will search 10 for some hope, some glimmer of hope to stave off the 11 inevitable march of their disease. 12 They will all find their way to Dr. Buttar. They came 13 to him because of some of information somewhere that led 14 them to believe that Dr. Buttar could do something about 15 their cancer.

    They came with hope, they came with 16 optimism, they came in desperation. 17 The evidence will show that Dr. Buttar, and many times 18 his nurse practitioner, told these patients that they could 19 help. They can treat them, help them fight their cancers, 20 help them beat back their cancer. The evidence will show 21 that this was nothing more than an empty sales pitch. 22 What Dr. Buttar sold these five patients, these dying moms, 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050sisters, aunts, husbands and fathers, was false hope, hope 1 that he knew to be false.

    The hope consisted of providing 2 therapies that were not only not an indicator of cancer, 3 but had no basis whatsoever in science or any evidence 4 that it would be effective against cancer. 5 Patients A, B and C all had Stage IV metastatic cancer. 6 7 Cancer is somewhat of a misnomer as you may know. It is 8 a single term that describes hundreds of thousands of 9 different types of malignancies and diseases.

    Cancer is 10 a disease with an energy in molecular biology that has 11 baffled the leading scientists and researchers of the 20th 12 and 21st Centuries. Billions of dollars going into 13 research, thousands of the best and brightest minds 14 dedicated to its eradication and yet despite significant 15 strides made in the war against cancer, these many diseases 16 with a single name still persists.

    It still persists 17 robbing us of our loved ones, our parents, our children, 18 our brothers and sisters. 19 The Board's evidence will show that despite the fact that 20 cancer has baffled the world's best and brightest, Dr. 21 Buttar and his nurse practitioner have the answers. The 22 answer, hydrogen peroxide. But not just hydrogen 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050peroxide, the common household solution, but also therapy 1 such as ozone, intravenous vitamins and minerals, trigger 2 point injections, chelation therapy and hyperbaric 3 chambers. 4

    . 17 However, in reality, the Board's evidence will show that 18 these therapies will not fight cancer. They have no effect 19 on cancer whatsoever. None. They are not effective. 20 They are not science or evidenced based therapies. They have 21 not been subjected or proven to work at any clinical trial. 22 23

    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 They have not been found to have any effect singularly 1 or in combination with any other therapies provided by 2 Dr. Buttar on cancer. They are useless and ineffective. 3

    And the evidence will show that these fraudulent therapies 11 have been enormously profitable to Dr. Buttar. Dr. 12 Buttar's therapies are administered to patients while he's 13 out of the office by his nurse practitioner and nurses 14 because he is out of his office and quite frequently, costs 15 in excess of $1,000 a day. 16

    Patients A, B and C will all have paid in excess of tens 17 of thousands of dollars to Dr. Buttar before they died. 18 And when Patients B and C became disaffected with the 19 care they received from Dr. Buttar and stopped paying him, 20 Dr. Buttar turned over their accounts to collection 21 agencies even after they died.

    22 In the case of Patient C, Dr. Buttar will refer a $6,700 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050balance to a collection agency who in turn proceeded to 1 collect in excessive of $20,000 from Patient C's estate. 2 Dr. Buttar proceeded to collect in excess of $19,000 from 3 Patient B's estate. 4 The records of all five patients will show a distinct 5 pattern.

    Patients are not examined or followed by Dr. 6 Buttar. All five patients, not just the cancer patients, 7 were seen primarily in some instances exclusively by Dr. 8 Buttar's nurse practitioner. 9 Dr. Buttar would order numerous tests and lab work that 10 had no rational medical relationship to the patient's 11 cancer diagnosis.

    Many tests and labs that were ordered 12 by Dr. Buttar were never adequately justified, never linked 13 to the patient's diagnosis or clinical condition. 14 There is no evidence that any of the extensive tests and 15 lab work were used for treatment decisions. And despite 16 the fact that cancer is a heterogenous disease, Patients 17 A, B and C were treated with an indistinguishable arbitrary 18 protocol as if one size fits all.

    https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/up...ar_hearing.pdf
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

    Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

    It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".
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    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Doctor Rashid Buttar has been one of the few doctors that have been strongly voicing their opinions about how the whole pandemic was a scam. From the beginning. With facts and data.

    Is it any wonder that THEY would want to discredit him?

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    ...is a charlatan. Read below for proof. This has nothing to do with alternative treatments, like vitamins and minerals to maintain good health. It has everything to do with taking advantage of patients in the final stage of life, dying from cancer.

    I copied and pasted directly from transcript, so it won't read very smoothly. If you would like to read the whole thing, the link is down below.



    The Board's evidence will show the following: Patient A, 16 a young, beloved wife and mother. She is diagnosed with 17 cervical cancer, her cancer will spread, she is dying and 18 soon she will die. 19 Patient B is a young, beloved sister and aunt. She is 20 diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Her cancer will 21 metastasize and spread throughout her body, she is dying 22 and soon she will die. 23

    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 Patient C, a young, beloved husband and father who was 1 diagnosed with adrenal cell cancer. It will later spread 2 to his liver and lungs. He too is dying and he too will 3 soon die. 4 All three of these patients are holding on to life, tumors 5 are spreading throughout their body, surgery, radiation, 6 chemotherapy have all failed to halt the progression of 7 this insidious disease. The question is not whether the 8 cancer will kill them, the question is when. 9

    In these darkest of hours, Patients A, B and C will search 10 for some hope, some glimmer of hope to stave off the 11 inevitable march of their disease. 12 They will all find their way to Dr. Buttar. They came 13 to him because of some of information somewhere that led 14 them to believe that Dr. Buttar could do something about 15 their cancer.

    They came with hope, they came with 16 optimism, they came in desperation. 17 The evidence will show that Dr. Buttar, and many times 18 his nurse practitioner, told these patients that they could 19 help. They can treat them, help them fight their cancers, 20 help them beat back their cancer. The evidence will show 21 that this was nothing more than an empty sales pitch. 22 What Dr. Buttar sold these five patients, these dying moms, 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050sisters, aunts, husbands and fathers, was false hope, hope 1 that he knew to be false.

    The hope consisted of providing 2 therapies that were not only not an indicator of cancer, 3 but had no basis whatsoever in science or any evidence 4 that it would be effective against cancer. 5 Patients A, B and C all had Stage IV metastatic cancer. 6 7 Cancer is somewhat of a misnomer as you may know. It is 8 a single term that describes hundreds of thousands of 9 different types of malignancies and diseases.

    Cancer is 10 a disease with an energy in molecular biology that has 11 baffled the leading scientists and researchers of the 20th 12 and 21st Centuries. Billions of dollars going into 13 research, thousands of the best and brightest minds 14 dedicated to its eradication and yet despite significant 15 strides made in the war against cancer, these many diseases 16 with a single name still persists.

    It still persists 17 robbing us of our loved ones, our parents, our children, 18 our brothers and sisters. 19 The Board's evidence will show that despite the fact that 20 cancer has baffled the world's best and brightest, Dr. 21 Buttar and his nurse practitioner have the answers. The 22 answer, hydrogen peroxide. But not just hydrogen 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050peroxide, the common household solution, but also therapy 1 such as ozone, intravenous vitamins and minerals, trigger 2 point injections, chelation therapy and hyperbaric 3 chambers. 4

    . 17 However, in reality, the Board's evidence will show that 18 these therapies will not fight cancer. They have no effect 19 on cancer whatsoever. None. They are not effective. 20 They are not science or evidenced based therapies. They have 21 not been subjected or proven to work at any clinical trial. 22 23

    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050 They have not been found to have any effect singularly 1 or in combination with any other therapies provided by 2 Dr. Buttar on cancer. They are useless and ineffective. 3

    And the evidence will show that these fraudulent therapies 11 have been enormously profitable to Dr. Buttar. Dr. 12 Buttar's therapies are administered to patients while he's 13 out of the office by his nurse practitioner and nurses 14 because he is out of his office and quite frequently, costs 15 in excess of $1,000 a day. 16

    Patients A, B and C will all have paid in excess of tens 17 of thousands of dollars to Dr. Buttar before they died. 18 And when Patients B and C became disaffected with the 19 care they received from Dr. Buttar and stopped paying him, 20 Dr. Buttar turned over their accounts to collection 21 agencies even after they died.

    22 In the case of Patient C, Dr. Buttar will refer a $6,700 23
    TRANS/STATVerbatim and Video Reporting, Inc. Telephone (919) 828-1895 Fax (919) 834-1050balance to a collection agency who in turn proceeded to 1 collect in excessive of $20,000 from Patient C's estate. 2 Dr. Buttar proceeded to collect in excess of $19,000 from 3 Patient B's estate. 4 The records of all five patients will show a distinct 5 pattern.

    Patients are not examined or followed by Dr. 6 Buttar. All five patients, not just the cancer patients, 7 were seen primarily in some instances exclusively by Dr. 8 Buttar's nurse practitioner. 9 Dr. Buttar would order numerous tests and lab work that 10 had no rational medical relationship to the patient's 11 cancer diagnosis.

    Many tests and labs that were ordered 12 by Dr. Buttar were never adequately justified, never linked 13 to the patient's diagnosis or clinical condition. 14 There is no evidence that any of the extensive tests and 15 lab work were used for treatment decisions. And despite 16 the fact that cancer is a heterogenous disease, Patients 17 A, B and C were treated with an indistinguishable arbitrary 18 protocol as if one size fits all.

    https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/up...ar_hearing.pdf
    Wow Autumn this will certainly not help your reputation here at Avalon.
    Is this all you've got to discredit Dr. Buttar?

    What else is it that you don't like about him?
    I am asking specifically about his views about Covid-19 etc.?
    Perhaps the ones that don't fall in line with your views?

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    First off, Buttar is NOT a cancer doctor. He is an osteopath -- something like a chiropractor or physiotherapist. Secondly, if he was promoting natural cures to people who didn't want to go the mainstream way, that's up to them. But holding out false hope to end stage cancer victims with unproven and untested therapies is not cool -- because nothing short of a miracle is going to help at that point. It is cheaper to pray.

    This is the dude who is cited by some as being an expert on Covid 19? That's messed up. He would not have the background required and it looks like his ethics are poor.

    As far as discrediting him because of his stance on Covid-- this board censure document is about 10 years old.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Davetoo,

    I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire.

    As far as not making myself popular? I would rather call it as I see it and post what I think is helpful than cater to a desire to be popular. Popularity is not a desired goal of mine.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Davetoo,

    I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire. .
    Well if he can hold his own in the company of RFK Jr., Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Dr. Tenpenny and Del Bigtree in a round table discussion he's good enough for me.

    I want you to point to any statements he has made specifically about Covid-19 that you disagree with.

    It takes a lot of gumption to start a thread smearing a doctor's reputation on the basis of a couple of links you looked up on the net.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Kind of impossible to make any sense out of this article but that generally seems to be the case with most of what I read at quackwatch.com. It's been about a decade since I've looked at this site, but my sense of it at time was that if you wanted to be a writer for them, the qualifications were:

    1) An absolute loathing for any type of health or healing doesn't make big pharma and the medical industry gazillions of dollars.
    2) The ability to find negative statements about healing modalities and practitioners on the internet and parse them into a word salad that makes them sound like a vampire snake oil salesman
    3) Positively no direct experience into any type of alternative healing and no interest in hearing otherwise, but determination to declare your self an expert on the matter.
    4) The belief the big pharma and big medicine is all about helping mankind and any one who works at a health food store or gives $40/hour Reiki sessions is a scam artist in it for the money.

    You aren't going to find an entry for Bill Gates on quackwatch.com . He's probably financing it.

    I am not one to instantly dismiss anything from Wikipedia or snopes.com as automatic garbage (which isn't to say they don't have biases and agendas) but quackwatch is a parade of nonsensical slanderous statement from a group of rapacious psychopathic self declared "health experts" who want every healthy person to tank up on as much chemotherapy as possible in between their weekly vaccination shots.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Kryztian,

    I don't know anything about quack watch. The transcript they dug up
    appears to be authentic though. That's where my interest lies. I have no personal issues with alternative methods to promote health. This has more to do with someone promising miracles and charging an arm and a leg for them when they are doomed to fail. It's unethical.
    Oncologists discontinue treatment, other than palliative care, for end stage cancer.

    This is kind of beside the point but... I wonder if reiki wouldn't be a wonderful treatment for end stage cancer? Reiki is kind of a miracle. So is prayer.
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Davetoo, I don't know about the other people you mention but I do know Tenpenny's opinions on Covid are not the most credible but she probably means well. She isn't a highly trained scientist. I believe she might be a chiropractor. So, no. You should probably look more towards someone like Chris Martenson for his take on Covid. He has the appropriate background.

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

    Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

    It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".
    That's sad. I am so sorry to hear about your father. I think one if the too many to count problems with the cancer industry is they will treat and treat and treat, regardless of the quality of life they are imposing in the final years or months of a patienr's life. Probably the biggest hurdle to humane treatment of the dying is the doctor overcoming his OWN fear of death.

    There is so much wrong here, all around. I don't trust the philosophy behind a lot of modern medicine. And I know most people are like me, which creates a huge niche in the health delivery system for predators to fill. And I think it possible Buttar is one of them.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    If you can't cure cancer, try and fail, you're a crackpot!

    Pretty much every single cancer doctor that ever existed, has not been able to save their patient. There are extremely rare exceptions.

    It just that much of the "funding" in Canada comes from public health - so you never see the costs. (except me, my father recently died of cancer ... cost taxpayers a **** tonne of money, just to try stuff that they knew would fail) -- none of them recommended "vitamins and minerals" to try to cure his cancer. We asked about cannabis (illegal at the time), and they said, "try whatever you want".
    That's sad. I am so sorry to hear about your father. I think one if the too many to count problems with the cancer industry is they will treat and treat and treat, regardless of the quality of life they are imposing in the final years or months of a patienr's life. Probably the biggest hurdle to humane treatment of the dying is the doctor overcoming his OWN fear of death.

    There is so much wrong here, all around. I don't trust the philosophy behind a lot of modern medicine. And I know most people are like me, which creates a huge niche in the health delivery system for predators to fill. And I think it possible Buttar is one of them.
    Not sure that he is, but I don't think in absolutes.

    My addition was to point out that dying of cancer costs an awful lot of money --- vast sums. That said, let us not ignore who mainly profits - its not really the doctors, in the US moreso - yes, I can agree there but its not black and white.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    My niece goes to Sloan Kettering and they charge about $3000 per day, three times the price of Buttar, and she is not cured, but she would have no case to sue them, and quackwatch.com would call this good science.

    There are a lot of alternative cancer therapies out there and if I had cancer, that is probably the route I would go, although some of them are clearly better or worse than others. Most of them are located in Mexico, where the legal system is not run by big pharma so they would not have the same recourse to lawsuits.

    Perhaps Buttar is a quack - but I don't see any real proof of that here. Just more of a system that favors the pharma-industrial complex.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Davetoo,

    I have seen his name come up as a Covid 19 authority so looked up his background. I found a malpractice document that appeared to be due to mistakes being made so do didn't include that one nor the one where he was hauled before the board for having an affair with patient's wife, or mother. That didn't seem to be too dire.

    As far as not making myself popular? I would rather call it as I see it and post what I think is helpful than cater to a desire to be popular. Popularity is not a desired goal of mine.

    Could you provide the malpractice document please, also what is the date on that?

    Regarding quackwatch: someone needs to layeth the quackwatch on quackwatch.

    I say that because: QW has labeled homeopathic medicine as quackery. This is interesting because:

    (WARNING: indulgent tangent ahead that some might find interesting...)


    1. John D. Rockefellar would not touch pharmaceutical drugs (even though he profited massively from muggles usage) and had his own personal fulltime homeopathic physician up until his death. '

    2. The Royal family in England also has a personal Homeopathic physician and has been rumored to not use allopathic medicine, eat organic food and of course drinks the blood of young humans -allegedly .

    3. The above mentioned people all lived very healthy active lives well into their 90's, Prince Phillip, who could double for Emperor Palpatine, just turned 99.

    Blessings

    Luke

    PS: Dr. Buttar currently is a licensed Physician who owns and operates a very successful medical practice, conducts weekend educational seminars for physicians and he is well respected within his community. Personally, I don't care if he claims he is curing cancer with horse piss, as long as he can provide evidence that his tx's are safe and effective. The same goes for his stance on COV 19, lockdowns, facemask wearing and social distancing - if what he says is backed up by his experience/scientific evidence then I applaud his sacrificial efforts in speaking out. His strength, courage and oration have helped millions and he should be revered for his efforts. .
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    To clear up any misunderstandings regarding Dr Buttar and Dr Tenpenny (not a chiropractor) being ODs, please read this short article from webmd.com on Osteopaths, which is about as mainstreams it gets:

    Quote With its big focus on preventing health problems, this field of medicine is on the rise. Never heard of it? You’ll want to get to know it, because there’s a chance that a doctor of osteopathic medicine (DO) will help take care of you.

    One of the keys to this field is the idea that many diseases are due to, or cause, problems within the body's musculoskeletal system, which includes the nerves, muscles, and bones. DOs pay extra attention to how all your body parts work together in order to prevent or treat health issues. And they get special training in that.

    It’s hands-on. Osteopathic doctors believe that touch can be healing. All DOs are trained in osteopathic manipulative treatment, sometimes called manual manipulation or OMT. That's a hands-on method to help diagnose and treat illnesses.

    Not all DOs use it regularly in their practice, though.

    But there's more to it than that. Osteopathic doctors get extra training in the musculoskeletal system. But they also learn all the other parts of modern medicine. They can prescribe medication, do surgery, run tests, and do everything else you would expect from a doctor.

    It’s head to toe. Osteopathic medicine is about your whole body, not just specific parts or symptoms. So if you come in with, say, knee pain, they are likely going to look at more than your knee.

    It’s on the rise. There are more than 108,000 DOs in the U.S. And more than 1 in 4 U.S. medical students are on the path to becoming a DO.

    But it’s not new. Osteopathic medicine dates back more than 100 years. Its founder, Andrew Taylor Still, thought that correcting problems with the body's structure could help the body heal itself. Still, who practiced during the Civil War, believed that spine problems can send nerve signals out to all the organs and make you sick. He developed osteopathic manipulation treatments, the aim of which was to help restore the nerves to a healthy state and promote circulation so that the body could heal itself.
    I used to go to an osteopath and she was the best, most comprehensive Dr I have ever been to. She, like all ODs, is Board certified, just like any MD must be in order to practice. Of course it doesn't mean all ODs are wonderful, but she was great. I was bummed when she moved to another state; she gave me a hug when she told me and said goodby.

    I have no problem with either Buttar or Tenpenny being ODs, I find both are well informed.
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Autumn when you chose the title of this thread were you aware that there would have been a backlash from those who had been following deeply the virus and the various opinions on it?

    I think the title of the thread lacks respect for the Doctor.

    Its inappropriate because a snake oil sales man sells and then moves on, he does not remain to face the non results or results of selling a dream cure.

    Dr Buttar is a man of courage and remains true to his belief regarding the virus and what lies behind the hype.

    He has brought forward expert opinion on this and the wearing of face masks.
    He has brought together groups of Doctors uniform in opinion that the virus is no more deadly than seasonal flu and they both kill vulnerable people.

    Perhaps you might now start a thread on the good qualities of Windows founder, the financier of WHO and various inoculation programs.
    Is he to be more trusted that Doctor Buttar?

    Its ok to have contrary beliefs, mine change from time to time -- which is why im fond of "May be so"
    Perhaps you might consider more tactful thread titles, and comments unless you like stirring it?
    Which you are free to do so.
    A good stir is beneficial at times.
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Let me tell you about quackwatch. I was in university making my MS degree on phytotherapy when we saw quackwatch's ridiculous claims about phytotherapy & herbs with my professor. That was in late 90's. We wrote them an e-mail telling about the scientific studies on herbs & supplements and considerable effects on health. They answered us (keep in mind we sent this mail from an official university mail) phytotherapy has no scientific basis & evidence. Well, we understood their agenda and wished them luck in their life. In late-90's.

    30 years passed. Nothing has changed. Quackwatch is the home of scientism cult. We have seen repeatedly that this cult is AS DANGEROUS AS isis or radical religious groups. So when someone uses quackwatch as a "source" this always makes me smile (and get seriosly angry at the same time).

    End of rant.

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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Does not sound like a snake oil salesman to me but thats just my opinion.

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    Well I don't know whether he's exactly snake oil or not. All I know is that he grabbed my attention during the Covid1984 debate. I susbscrbed to his advanced medicine platform hoping to get more scientifically proven facts regarding covid19 and what I got in return was countless e-mails promoting his AHEAD MAP and other webinars, seminars etc. that were of course not for free. It became overwhelming, so I had to unsubscribe. Of course I commend him for speaking out against the covid1984 scam, but the way he's heavily monetising on it rang all sorts of bells. It's the same plague that has fallen on many alternative medicine outlets. All success stories they promote come mainly from opinion pieces rather than published scientifically proven facts.

    I undrstand the need many (including me) feel around here to have a scientist prove their own intuition regarding covid19, but that need is exactly what makes you susceptible to all sorts of scammers and charlatans. If he thinks we're heading towards endtimes and has genuine interest to protect us from the orwellian1984 reality, why does he feel the need to heavily cash in?
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    Default Re: Doctor Rashid Buttar --Snake oil

    Quote Posted by fractal being (here)
    Well I don't know whether he's exactly snake oil or not. All I know is that he grabbed my attention during the Covid1984 debate. I susbscrbed to his advanced medicine platform hoping to get more scientifically proven facts regarding covid19 and what I got in return was countless e-mails promoting his AHEAD MAP and other webinars, seminars etc. that were of course not for free. It became oerwhelming, so I had to unsubscribe. Of course I commend him for speaking out against the covid1984 scam, but the way he's heavily monetising on it rang all sorts of bells. It's the same plague that has fallen on many alternative medicine networks. All success stories they promote come mainly from opinion pieces rather than published scientifically proven facts.

    I undrstand the need many feel around here to have a scientist prove their own intuition regarding covid19, but that need is exactly what makes you susceptible to all sorts of scammers and charlatans. If he thinks we're heading towards endtimes and has genuine interest to protect us from the orwellian1984 reality, why does he feel the need to heavily cash in?
    The software mechanism for sending these e mails was probably in operation before his involvement in the virus situation began.
    Unfortunately virtually every online business does the same to a greater or lesser degree and the Doctor has to advertise like everyone else.

    Eckhart Tolle does it--the Late Dr David Hawkins organization does, yet they are valid spiritual teachers, no one would suggest they are snake oil salesmen.
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